[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

**Gard** · 6th January 2009, 08:04

Originally Posted by Daniel

The engines are "controlled" because they have to be homologated. The FIA can choose the spec and if the FIA chose to keep the same engine for S2000 and S2000+ then anyone building an engine to suit one specific regulation and get more power would find themselves excluded and banned for running an illegal engine. It's called homologation and it's why Richard Burns was excluded in Argentina one year and Marcus in Cyprus as well.

What you fail to understand is that the kit is supposed to be easily installed and taken off the car and an engine change isn't what most would consider an easy changeover.

The fact of the matter is that you could probably go out tomorrow, drive to a specialist and have a supercharger fitted to your car giving you a mild increase in power all without opening your engine up.

I'm not saying this is how it WILL be as no one knows what's going to happen, all I said was that it was technically possible (and it is!) to have an engine and add a turbo with only a small amount of boost (as per the s2000 proposals) and not need to modify the internals of the engine. You seem to argue that this is not technically possible when it clearly is and thousands of people on the road with standard engines + superchargers will agree with me.

yeah sorry for OT.

last post from me. I DON'T say it's tecnical impossible. I have done conversions like this. Actually I'm using a modfied engine in the car I'm using today. Everything but a rebuild is a huge compromize.

I say the solution will not work, because the teams want to win. You can optimize for either s2000 or s2000+. everthing else would be a compromize and you will not have a winning engine. So depending on homologation, you'll either have a good NA engine or a good turbo engine.

Boosting an optimal (high reving) NA engine, will make it much more expensive and unreliable. The teams will have all sorts of trouble, making winning combos out of this.

**cali** · 6th January 2009, 09:18

Two guys are debateing - one guy has experience with building engines and on guy is keyboard-warrior - which one should i believe?

**ARF** · 6th January 2009, 09:30

Originally Posted by jbmarcus21

Strange the immat's of the car M600 ??!!!

what is it ... ?? S14 or S15 car ?

S14, a new car specially built for Mads. S15 was never homologated.

**Daniel** · 6th January 2009, 09:42

Originally Posted by cali

Two guys are debateing - one guy has experience with building engines and on guy is keyboard-warrior - which one should i believe?

You should agree with the one that said it wasn't technical possible who now admits that it is technically possible of course

You can't do that!

Originally Posted by Gard

How on earth is that going to work? You cannot change from an optimal aspirated engine to a turbo version with a simple bolt on kit. That would be close to full engine rebuild. Much easier and probably cheaper to just change the engine.

I point out that the boost used in S2000+ engines will be quite low so it
can be done

Originally Posted by Daniel

Well if the compression ratio is low enough on the NA engine it could just be a straight swap as long as there's not too much boost.

Gard finally admits that you can do this

Originally Posted by Gard

I agree that you CAN do this, but with very limited boost or with more boost and a useless NA engine. Even just by changing head gasket size, you may ruin gas flow and speed. At least make it much less effective. We are talking about keeping the engine competitive in both configurations.

So who you gonna believe? The guy who one moment says it's not possible and wakes up the next morning and thinks it is?

**cali** · 6th January 2009, 09:47

Daniel, everything is possible, but question is about how much you have to compromise (reliability vs. power aso.)? Would this be a good combination?

**noel157** · 6th January 2009, 12:53

Originally Posted by VFTS

GARD and DANIEL!!! Could you please post your discussion in a technical thread!!!

This is a NEWS and RUMOURS thread!!!!

+1

**Sardalense** · 6th January 2009, 14:10

Originally Posted by padWRC

M600 WRC the new toy of Ostberg!
Translation?
http://moss-avis.no/article/20090105...6752/1044/ABON

M600 WRC, chassis 08004 ex-C1 WRC

c4 · 6th January 2009, 16:04

Aava in Stobart Focus on Rally Ireland entry
http://www.rallybuzz.com/rally-ireland-2009-entry-list/

**Tomi** · 6th January 2009, 16:55

Good news that Aava got the Stobart.

**jbmarcus21** · 6th January 2009, 18:20

So Wilson is now number 1 driver of Stobart !!

He drive all championship .. The number is not possible to switch .. So Henning will drive Ireland nut not nominate, and Aava 8 rallies...
So by deduction Wilson number 1 !!