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    Quote Originally Posted by skarderud View Post
    Its like when Gr.B was forbidden and Gr.A became the main class.
    A much better championship in every way.

    Sorry to say, but FIA/promoter has done a incredible hopeless effort.
    What made A better than B?

    But despite that, the championships then and now are incomparable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCStan View Post
    What made A better than B?

    But despite that, the championships then and now are incomparable.
    Better competition, more competitive drivers and cars.
    In Gr.B in could be 5 and 10 min between the places at finish, the cars was awesome, like todays Rally1, but Gr.A was much better if you like competition.

    I'm old enough to remember Gr.B, but for me Gr.A has a much higher star in hindsight.

    Times are changing, maybe a manufacturerbased championship is dead? Not just rally, all motorsports.
    It ends up being like Formula, teams running cars with some support from a manufacturer, but they are not involved in a big manner.

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    WRC1 would probably be dead as a Manufacturer-based Championship years ago, if it wasn't for one man... Akio Toyoda.

    As boss of Toyota, and a massive rally fan, he single-handedly brought Toyota back into top level rallying. This was just in time as VW pulled out, and within a couple of years so did Citroen.

    Toyoda has kept his firm in WRC and this has been crucial to keeping the Championship going in the last 8 years. Without his enthusiasm for the sport they wouldnt be here. With just Hyundai and M-Sport left it just wouldnt be viable.

    Hopefully the FIA / Promoter listens carefully to what Toyoda-San says.on the best direction for the future of our sport at WRC level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Yes, but in the open area, let's say on a stage, you can't achieve such concentration without massive rupture of the tank with simultaneus ignition.
    Right next to the leak there will certainly be more than 4% of hydrogen. The volume around the leak that contains more than 4% will depend on the rate of release and wind speed. There are equations in EN IEC 60079-10 that can be used to calculate the hazardous volume. If that volume extends to a source of ignition (a spark of more than 0.02mJ or a hot enough surface) there will be an ignition. A small leak into the open from a car wouldn't be a problem. A leak into the passenger compartment would be more dangerous. Switches or instruments could be an ignition source. A ruptured gas tank would almost certainly ignite.

    In any case the Hyundai proposal is for hydrogen fuel cell powered re-charging stations (not hydrogen powered cars) so they'd be loacated in a re-fuelling area with appropriate precautions.

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    The wet dream of many here may come true

    https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-2...lly2-overhaul/

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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    The wet dream of many here may come true

    https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-2...lly2-overhaul/
    fia will screw rally2 too, i can fell it already

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    Even £400k is too much for a sustainable championship. Half that at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macebig View Post
    Even £400k is too much for a sustainable championship. Half that at best.
    What’s the cost cap for WEC? The price will always be more expensive once it’s outside the track, question is, do they get a return on their investment, atm the answer is no.
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    And again those costs. Why would once a very popular sport need to be ''so cheap'' that you all think it would attract more of everything? Why don't then all manufacturers rather being involved in lower series, I don't see them in WRC2, WRC3, or JWRC, then in ERC, ARC, or even national championships (those national stickers are being there more or less just to fund some things)... BECAUSE it's the world championship. It needs to be the pinnacle of the sport and some stuff can be priced more. And brands will invest no matter the amount they want. As long as the exposure and showcase what they can do, win something, or the story. Why the hell do some brands in completely different series even compete if they don't score any points at all across the seasons? And I'm sure they spend freaking more than just a season in WRC. Why then you read that some bosses, engineers, staff members get incredible amounts and still being nothing special. The costs isn't all, it's more or less technology and the things they can sell to the world. Rather of focusing too much on this,it should focus more what could each brand show, can survive through tough events and of course battles.

    Recent Hyundai rumors of them leaving keep something in my mind. Before they entered the WRC (again), they were a rather regular brand, nothing special. Now they are pretty much up there in the leaderboard of selling their products. I noticed they were present in many other events, football, movies/series,... And I think it helped them get worldwide exposure in investing so much and being part of WRC for so long to get where they are now. But keep wondering if they are making a big mistake of leaving... Right now they are focusing mostly on SUVs and EVs and we see that those are sinking the fastest. Hope they don't end up like Subaru, Mitsubishi, or even Lancia with nothing much to offer anymore.

    Oh yeah. And those Rally2 cars. No new cars aren't being built... Recent one is Yaris and Fabia. Hyundai doesn't have an intention to support their challenger anymore because the car will be discontinued, Citroen's car is an older model of C3, and Fiesta is discontinued already. VW shut down motorsport department, so we know we won't see them rather sooner than later, Peugeot, well their car is so long now it probably will not be revived, Proton (I don't even count them, because was a small project and nothing much known about them). In a few years, we will only see Skoda and Toyota on the grid (and even that is, IF). So wh don't tweak it, so the brands would get a motivation to making new ones or at least making them further.
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    you are missing the point, mate. wrc needs cheaper cars because right now we have SIX full time entries per event! (plus 2 'wild cards' from manufacturers). manufacturers are NOT INTERESTED in rallying because theres no proper return of investment, so we NEED privateers that are doing it because they love rallying. that should be simple. manufacturers are NOT interested, so should we keep a 6 car championship OR move to a cheaper thing to allow more entries and more passionate people and more stories to be around?
    and sorry, but no, hyundai did not grew to be the 3rd biggest car brand on the planet because wrc gave them more exposure (or something like that), sorry. this is non-sense. i imagine hamilton winning 7 consecutive titles in f1 helped mercedes to grow a liiiiittle bit to the ('sporting') public eye. other than that, NAH, no way.

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