The new R4T rallycar, is it news on it?
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The new R4T rallycar, is it news on it?
There is already a thread for R4T: http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/...ar-2013-a.html
If the name will be R4T I am think the admin/mods can transfer the content of the other thread to this one, and delete the other one. :)
Why to name it like that?
R4 are Lancer EVO and Impreza. They already have turbo without "T" in the name.
Peugeot confirmed they were preparing a 208 R4T that'll be developped during 2012 and ready for 2013 ;)
Skoda will also make one I think.
If FIA hits target with the tech reg of this class, I think it will be the most popular class pf all times, when we are talking numbers sold.
And in this class privat tuners will be free to build cars.
Are the technic Regulations for R4T finished, and given to car makers?
Why not to the public if finished?
Yes, car manufacturers has this regulations...
I fully agree, that if FIAs regulations give a car with sound and feel as a S2000 na, it will become even bigger than s2000 and a goldmine for tuners. But sound and enough power together with a simple car to maintain is the keyQuote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
How far are the 208 and Fabia or others by now ?
I think the 208 will debut real tests on road(with Bouffier ??)by summer :confused:
At the latest I guess if they want to be ready for the start of 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
I suppose the Fabia will come later as the next Fabia road car is not due intil 2013.
I'm curious about seeing these cars, I'm not convinced they will be great to watch but I hope I'm wrong!
Do anyone here know if max width will be as s2000 at 1820mm?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
What will the restrictor size be on R4T?
These cars are supposed to have no wide body kit to make them cheaper (if it hasn't changed). Restrictor size was not revealed but I heard they consider use of 32 mm.
Is this the 208 R4T in the making??
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net...14244397_n.jpg
more photos?Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net...62424203_n.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
that's all for now.
at 2nd photo seems that the central tunnel is modified,but can t be sure.If we had a photo from inside the car at better angle would be easier to undestand.
are there any other 208s are already competing? i don t think, so this can be the r4t 208.
It's taken in a Peugeot Sport factory so it's really a new global project. It's probably indeed the first R4T in the making.
Looks like it could also be the 208 R2(contender of Twingo, C2, Fiesta, Fabia) :confused:
Still it is stock tunnel. Can they get prop-shaft and exhaust in?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
exhaust even for the factory car the space is there,but for the prop-shaft definetely no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Maybe they use electric engines for rear wheels :D
Another thing I can see is that the car doesn't have McPherson mounting point at the rear, so if this is a picture of R4T, than it looks like it will really keep suspension of same type with stock car. Since most of these cars have torsion beam rear axle, it may be pretty difficult to make it working well with 4WD...Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
probably you're right, indeed its group R not A
And probably also R3T, since they have the engine and box inhouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarriK
Peugeot Sport pages says there would be an R2 and an R4T.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Peugeot Sport - CIRCUIT - news-944-peugeot-sport-s-2012-customer-competition-programme
as rallye-magazin.de says, 208 r4t is going to be presented at autosalon genf on march 8th :)
Cool, then hopefully soon after we will see testing videos.Quote:
Originally Posted by prt
Have the rules actually been finalised yet?
yes, PLuto wrote it already on dec 29th.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
I cant wait see the car driving the first time!
There are people on other forum that are saying that the basics og the regs are done, but there are details missing from the regs. And thatmthose missing details are the reason that Peugeot are giving pri to R2/R3T and the two shells meant for R4T is standing still developmentwise.
Can anyone confirm or deny this, that the complete R4T regs are not done yet?
208 R4T development definitely isn't standstill. The reason R2 is development is faster is that it's much simpler car based on existing C2 R2.
It’s going to be interesting to see if all the updates allowed in R3/R3T plus the 4WD kit can be implemented in the R4T within a reasonable cost.
Already the switch from a 6-gear gearbox that S2000/WRC is using to a 5-gear gearbox could save some costs. At least this is the case between R2 (5-gear) and R3 (6-gear).
The spare part price for a 5-gear R2 gearbox is between 4700 € (Fiesta R2) to 5700 € (Fabia R2). For a R3 (Renault Clio & Honda Civic) 6-gear gearbox the spare part price is about 9000 €.
By this the R2 5-gearbox is about 42% cheaper compared to a 6-gear R3 gearbox or the price of a 5-gear gearbox is about 58% of the price for a 6-gear gearbox.
Another would be if the engine could be kept standard but would the standard engine cope with a power increase from about 150 hp to about 300 hp.
Makes sense, does your scources also tell you that all manufacurers have recieved a 100% complete and approved by FIA set of R4T tech regs to build from ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
But the R2 gearbox is also built for smaller torque than the R3 one. That's not the case of R4T where it will have to cope with much higher torque than in R3T (if they switch from 29 to 32 mm restrictor with otherwise similar engine). Less gears mean less parts but I think there will be higher stress on them due to bigger steps between gears. Current X-Trac gearbox for S2000 costs around 20 thousand. Let's see...Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
+1@Mirek
the difference in price between the 5speed and 6speed gearboxes isnt just the 1 gear more.There are other points make them much more expensive.
Torque they can cope,sequential or not, casing oem or new cast,how many sell them etc.
OK, my comparison was too straightforward. Any idea how much the higher torque vs. one more gear explains the price difference?
To be more precise I should also have said:
“Another would be if the engine could be kept standard but would the standard engine cope with the higher torque”.
can t understand what you mean mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF