Where does the time estimation come from? There is no time running in the video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
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Where does the time estimation come from? There is no time running in the video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
At 1.985 seconds there are still 2 wheels in the air. To me it looks as if the record still belongs to McLaren. Has Ferrari become so desperate they need to make up achievements now? Besides, the timing overlay is not an official timing, but someone just pasted a bunch of large numbers in the video. This is almost as hillarious as eyebrow's 'points record' helmet. :laugh: :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
Back on ignore then.
So much for wanting to debate. Learn some manners and people might. Until then....
Oh, I disagreed with you. How could I...Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
Ignored.
Could anyone enlighten me as to why this fellow has an attitude problem?
Anyone who took the time would see it wasn;t me claiming it to be a record, or an official timing. It's not my video. It's impressive, it's Ferrari, and that's it.
But it seems that some are incapable of anything less than aggression, then bleat when they get the same back.
Not my problem.
It was a fast pitstop, so what? McLaren did these a year ago. Red Bull did the four fastest out of the five fastest pitstops in Singapore - all under 2.5 seconds. Can you please explain, why Ferrari finally catching up warrants such a hype? :hmph: Dude really, it smacks of the Franks celebrating their first road when the Romans did it 500 years earlier. How desperate can you get?Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
If you hadn't noticed , this is a thread called "The Ferrari thread" .Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Does it not seem appropriate to post a video of a fast Ferrari pit stop here ?
Perhaps you also missed the fact that the poster simply posted the video , with no comment at all . Does this constitute "hype" .
Maybe you don't realize that that particular poster is a little dismayed at the level of performance from the red team , and maybe sees this as a wee ray of sunshine in a dismal year .
And , maybe you don't realize just how aggressive your posts seem to others .
It seems as though you're just spoiling for a fight .
Correct me , by all means , if I am wrong .
That's hard to miss innit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
I never contested whether or not it is appropriate to post a video of a fast pitstop. The poster might have provided the video without a comment, but if you watch it, you will see that the title says "world record", which due to the absence of comment I reckon the poster agrees with and which I pointed out is a weak argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
It's hard to miss that the poster is dismayed at Ferrari's performance - most of us are. The way to go is to offer them constructive criticism, not making up bogus achievements. I pointed out that fast pitstops around 2 seconds are common place, so even if it bursts parabolica's bubble, Ferrari have merely caught up with their opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Have you taken the time to read Parabolica's posts in the past? There is only a handful of members he hasn't attacked yet. If anything, it's his posts, which are agressive - not mine. He merely doesn't manage to eat what he dishes out to others, so please spare me any lectures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Back to topic. If Ferrari want to get their project back on track, they should take a really hard look on what they did wrong in the past few seasons, not making up achievements that are none. I cannot understand how they let Alonso run around in that ridiculous 'points record' helmet, knowing that under comparable points systems, he'd have to go another few years before he even gets close to Schumachers count.
The new factory is the way to go, not celebrating pitstops that have been performed by their opposition on a regular basis for almost a year. Does it really help to save a nano-second in a pitstop, when he'll lose half a second on the out-lap? Where's the logic in that?
Bagwan, you are right, I am disappointed with Ferrari.
I'm not disappointed with the mechanics though, whose achievements, not matter how insignificant some feel them to be, and professionalism should be acknowledged.
The pit crew are nor responsible for the failures of 2013.
If that is hype to some, so be it.
For what it is worth, Sky Sports F1 handed the Ferrari mechanics the award for fastest Pit Stop on last nights F1 Show. Their average stop in Japan was 2.5 seconds, the same as Mercedes, but Ferrari apparently got the award due to having the fastest individual stop.
All jolly well, but what is it worth? Our car is crap, but we're the fastest in the pits. It's just a load of sand in the eyes. A team like Ferrari should be among the best at servicing their car by definition. It shouldn't be the only point worth to celebrate. How in the wild world of sports have they managed to still not gotten their wind tunnel right? That should be the focus, not the one time this year they got a pit stop right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
Ferrari didn't give themselves any award . Sky did .Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
It is an achievement , isn't it ?
That you dissed the very thought that they had the record away from the Macs must say something about how you feel about the record .
They'll have you to thank , though , for setting them straight on what they should work on .
It's a free service. No payment required :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
You see ? I knew you could do it .Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
I didn't detect any aggression in that post at all .
If you want to turn Ferrari around ==== FLAVIO
The one thing Flavio is remembered for are cheating scandals (Benetton 94, Crashgate '08). Are you really sure that is what Ferrari needs? :|Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
Love the Ferrari Team, love Ferrari cars, love that Kimi is back at Ferrari next year...
Go Ferrari!
Alonso looked beaten up during the qually sessions. He is fighting for points in a car that just isn't cutting it at the moment.
At this point I think he well knows that the WDC is done with, and the concern is fighting for constructors points and retaining the #2 spot in the drivers standings. As of right now, I don't think either goal is secure. Based on the look on Fernando's face, I think he knows that as well.
The presence of management in the garage was ramped up at India. I'm sure they are feeling the pressure, but I think management is pushing for something possibly out of their grasp, and failing to realize that the team is already pushing, and they don't IMO need the management fools breathing down their necks. They need the car that will give them a chance.
Well, that was great.
I can only hope that the team have been concentrating on next year for a while. This season has nose-dived.
Grazie Domenicali. Grazie Pirelli.
As a side-note, if Kimi pulls a stunt like he did in the last laps today next year, or Fernando does for that matter, then he should be sacked before he gets to the end of the race.
I keep hoping that Raikkonen has matured.
The evidence isn't helping that hope.
It seems quick to blame management and the team for one bad result from Alonso. Felipe obviously didn't have the same issues.
As for Kimi, racing for position until the team ordered him to let the position go so Romain wouldn't get tangled up in the battle coming from behind. In that same situation do you really think the team would have ordered Alonso to move over for Felipe? We already know he wouldn't have moved otherwise.
Yes it is. A pointless one if there ever was (award that is...) and also having the quickest pit stop which makes no difference on the pace of the car and the results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
If this were Minardi 10 years ago, and they got an award for the fastest pit stops, I would have loved it and smiled about it.
For Ferrari? well no.
Well lets hope that 2014 brings with it a new hope for our beloved Ferrari, cause at the moment they are deep in the doodoo!
I think a few of us fans who are not in the Red Bull camp are hoping 2014 brings something new! Ferrari do seem to be in more trouble than Mercedes, but then again McLaren seem to have dipped a little over the past season. It may well be a one off for them however. Ferrari need a shake up big time, but I fear the team mate battle will bring the most excitement next season. Lets hope we are proven wrong. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Even if RBR builds another rocket next year Ferrari has with Kimi and Fernando a great chance to bring home the WCC. RBR only got SEB at he highest level.
Might be worth giving Riciardo the benefit of the doubt before he steps into his top seat. He might surprise yet and has done pretty well up until now in a midfield outfit. It's not a huge transition either going from one Red Bull outfit to another. I hope he impresses even if you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
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Originally Posted by henners88
We will see, tell me about it next year :erm:
[quote=Mia 01]Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
We will see, tell me about it next year :erm:[/quote:33akdpw3]
I have no choice but to tell you about it next year, my crystal ball is a little cloudy at the moment lol ;)
:rotflmao:
It seems as Felipe isn´t such a bad driver afterall.
I don't think many of us thought Felipe was a bad pilot. On the contrary when Massa is on form no one is faster IMO. He is just inconsistent and couldn’t come to terms with something less than a very good car, which let his current team mate makes him look quite ordinary in most of the time. It is the general opinion of those in the know that if he could Ferrari would have a couple more WCC's. I hope he hooks up with a team that can give him a competitive car, because it would be great to see Felipe hit his stride again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
A pretty interesting read IMO
http://www.planet-f1.com/driver/3213/89 ... -good-car-
[quote=Mr Alca-Tazizzle][quote="Mia 01":33yp1ske]It seems as Felipe isn´t such a bad driver afterall.[/quote]
I don't think many of us thought Felipe was a bad pilot. On the contrary when Massa is on form no one is faster IMO. He is just inconsistent and couldn’t come to terms with something less than a very good car, which let his current team mate makes him look quite ordinary in most of the time. It is the general opinion of those in the know that if he could Ferrari would have a couple more WCC's. I hope he hooks up with a team that can give him a competitive car, because it would be great to see Felipe hit his stride again.
A pretty interesting read IMO
[url="http://www.planet-f1.com/driver/3213/8997837/Ferrari-failed-to-deliver-a-good-car-"]http://www.planet-f1.com/driver/3213/89 ... -good-car-[/url][/quote:33yp1ske]
Pretty good post. Before his accident, Massa was finding his stride. He had learnt from The Shoe when they drove together and was really doing well until he had THAT incident that nearly ended his career. He just hasn't been the same Massa since then :(
[quote=555-04Q2][quote="Mr Alca-Tazizzle":1lmcccdg][quote="Mia 01":1lmcccdg]It seems as Felipe isn´t such a bad driver afterall.[/quote]
I don't think many of us thought Felipe was a bad pilot. On the contrary when Massa is on form no one is faster IMO. He is just inconsistent and couldn’t come to terms with something less than a very good car, which let his current team mate makes him look quite ordinary in most of the time. It is the general opinion of those in the know that if he could Ferrari would have a couple more WCC's. I hope he hooks up with a team that can give him a competitive car, because it would be great to see Felipe hit his stride again.
A pretty interesting read IMO
[url="http://www.planet-f1.com/driver/3213/8997837/Ferrari-failed-to-deliver-a-good-car-"]http://www.planet-f1.com/driver/3213/89 ... -good-car-[/url][/quote:1lmcccdg]
Pretty good post. Before his accident, Massa was finding his stride. He had learnt from The Shoe when they drove together and was really doing well until he had THAT incident that nearly ended his career. He just hasn't been the same Massa since then :([/quote:1lmcccdg]
I think his accident has affected him, but not as much as many think. We've seen him perform in races lately pretty strongly until tyres and team mates get in the way. I think with the current regs, we've seen sprint drivers like Felipe struggle. He had awesome cars throughout '06, '07, and '08 and was able to dominate on his day. The 2008 Ferrari was the marginally better car of that year and with re-fuelling, durable tyres and a less unstable Ferrari team, he got very close to winning the championship. Development struggled the following year with the introduction of full slick tyres, thinner, taller wings and the loss of aero gadgets. Alonso is also a tough team mate to have both on track and politically. The focus has shifted away from Felipe in recent years and knowing how weak he can be mentally, I think his mindset has suffered rather than his outright ability. He appears to be driving better since the news broke he is leaving Ferrari. Perhaps knowing he has to fight for a drive elsewhere and finally knowing where he stands within the team has woken him up? he's been very loyal to Ferrari and its often sad to see a minority of the tifosi slag him off. Not suggesting anybody here, just a general feeling overall. I can see him in a Sauber or Williams next year and hope he gets the drive. :)
Fair post :)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I too think Felipe is unfairly criticised. I mean he has raced for Ferrari for 8 seasons and all but won a title and has beaten Alonso at times in Quali this year.
He has had Schumi, Kimi and Fernando as team mates which most drivers would struggle with. Have many drivers had 3 such top level team mates?
I too hope he gets a drive next season somewhere to have some fun and race hard without being in Alonso's shadow.
And not just 3 top teammates, 3 WDC teammates, two of them multiple winners.Quote:
Originally Posted by steveaki13
I see The Scuderia is still beating a dead horse. Here is a pic from Abu Dhabi of the new flow conditioners on the side pods Fred’s car.
It must really suck to have worked so hard on a car that is basically a failure. :smokin:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BX5yLuZCUAIukNY.jpg:large
To be fair, they are trying to secure second place in the Constructors Championship so it makes sense to try and get something extra working better to try and achieve that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alca-Tazizzle
Of course, and it has probably been in the works for a while.
But you are right too, it must suck for them flogging the old girl like you said earlier :)
They need some good finishes from both drivers to get 2nd in constructors points..... I can't fault them at all. It's not as if any other team is going to lay down and make it easy. Though Seb and RB have dominated the year, the rest of the pack is much closer.