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Originally Posted by jimispeed
Hmmmm, how quickly you forget. What about:
St. Pete
Indy
Milwaukee
Texas
Edmonton
Mid Ohio
Belle Isle
Weren't all of those formerly on the Cart/ChampCar schedule?
Gary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jimispeed
Hmmmm, how quickly you forget. What about:
St. Pete
Indy
Milwaukee
Texas
Edmonton
Mid Ohio
Belle Isle
Weren't all of those formerly on the Cart/ChampCar schedule?
Gary
First, no they didn't. CART did but ChampCar did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
Second, I agree with the "Get over it. The war is over." part 100%!
Gary
Less than 50% ovals would be treachery to the loyal IRL fans who supported the series despite the bashings of the CC fanatics. TG should please the IRL fans and supporters, not the ones who bashed his series. To respect them, yes, to have some former CART races yes, but to betray the IRL, hell no.
I don't mean to nit pick and probably am wrong on this but didn't CCWS have a bankruptcy auction?Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
The mix of the 90's didn't attract fans. CART wasn't growing before the split. It hit a peak of interest when Nigel Mansell made the switch from Formula 1 and brought some F1 fans with him. The series didn't really grow after that, but it didn't get smaller. Once the split came things only went downhill.Quote:
Originally Posted by evo5_mat
As far as 2009 goes, my calender was better.
Even if you add the loyal CCWS-fans and the loyal IRL-fans together the series is still far away from being successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
I'm more interested in getting back the casual fans who left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
I agree with you that in losing the "casual fan" is a very big deal. Those cities who had become accustomed to CART/CC races are now left with nothing. Or wait till next year. Next years scheudle essentially equals the loss of those fans and markets. Surely, the ICS has contracts, financial obligations, and lack of resources to run 'every' CC race. But, I gain the sense that the ICS could care less about those markets and the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenRoethig
TG has his strategy and it does not include placating the former CC community. And that is a big mistake because those fans need to be included in the ICS fan base.
For 20 years I was a huge CART/CC fan and I am trying to be a ICS fan. However, now, I sit on the fence and feel like throwing in the towell. My guess is that the "casual fan" threw in the towell months ago. In my opinion, the 2009 schedule does not reassure those cities/fans that the ICS has any desire to accomodate their needs.
I realize that the ICS is not Champ Car, but TG and the ICS need to start trying to win over those fans and markets.
The casual fan threw in the towel years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogelio
We will continue to see the revolving door of weak venues which are no threat to the main event.
Exactly, After Indy and Long Beach what is the third "marquee event?" Texas? Toronto? Surfers? Iowa?Quote:
Originally Posted by Miatanut
This lack of vison is exactly why so many people fought so hard against Tony George getting control of all of American Open Wheel. Yes there was some ego involved but the fact that almost no CART teams showed at Indy 1996 was a huge vote of no-confidence in TG by men who had known him for years. The fact everyone is under one roof doesn't mean they agree with him now, they're just rolling over because they can't outspend him.