Monte Carlo 2011

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Originally Posted by EavesFan09

The only downside to this easier and most purse-friendly way of doing things is it is hard for IRC fans to know who intends to do which round(s). The only way of knowing is to read the full entry list before each event and try not to read too much into the group they are in, like R2 and so on. But if you want to battle for the title, as I read it, you must compete in a minimum of 7 rounds because it is the best 7 scores are counted.

But that is all.

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You almost got it. However. If you do only 6 events and you have more points than those whose best 7 events count, then you are still champion. The rule just says that best 7 events counts. You can do more or less.. no worries.
Well.Practically you should count two classes in IRC.
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There is 2WD championship for drivers where all cars with 2 Wheel drive are eligible for the points. Points are divided according to the old system: best 2wd=10 points, second=8points, third=6points, fourth=5points etc.
Difference is in 2WD makes championship. Only registered manufacturers can collect points there. Those should be: 1)Ford, 2)Peugeot 3)Fiat 4)Honda and 5)Skoda. Those who are not registered (Renault, Suzuki etc) are not in the classification.
Example:
1.Fiesta ST 10 points
(2) Suzuki swift no makes points
2. Fiat 8 points
(3) Renault Clio no makes points
3. Fiesta ST 6 points
4. Peugeot 206 RC 5 points
5. Fiesta ST 0 points (only two best cars of the same make count)
6. Honda civic Type-R 3 points (the third Fiesta "neutralized" the 4 points and therefore Honda collected only 3 points).
So, here is another dimension. If there are more than three cars from the same make, only two best collect the points for manufacturer. However, the other cars from the same make neutralize the points for their respective position in top 8.
It is practically same in overall championship (best overall 8 get the points). But here, all non registered manufacturers are not counted (even the drivers). So, if you are driving Citroen and you win the rally, you are invisible for IRC. If 2WD crew is in top 8 by the end of the rally.Then he/she collects overall and his 2wd points.
You should keep your eye on the following drivers who might fight for overall honors in 2011:
1. Peugeot
Neuville
Wilks
Magalhaes

2. Skoda
Kopecky
Mikkelsen
Loix

3. Ford
uuups??noone?
Al Attyah?
There might be some more good drivers joining little bit later during the season. However, there are only some speculations about their participation (Kruuda, Bouffer, Vouilloz etc.).
Some good drivers join only for Monte (with good coverage it is much easier to acquire your budget) and some of the join later due to the fact that Monte is so early in the season and some drivers and co-drivers are occupied by their Dakar commitments (McRae, Prokop, Attyah etc.) which ends later than Monte starts.

Good and complete explanation Bluuford! ;)

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Originally Posted by bluuford

There is 2WD championship for drivers where all cars with 2 Wheel drive are eligible for the points. Points are divided according to the old system: best 2wd=10 points, second=8points, third=6points, fourth=5points etc.
Difference is in 2WD makes championship. Only registered manufacturers can collect points there. Those should be: 1)Ford, 2)Peugeot 3)Fiat 4)Honda and 5)Skoda. Those who are not registered (Renault, Suzuki etc) are not in the classification.
Example:
1.Fiesta ST 10 points
(2) Suzuki swift no makes points
2. Fiat 8 points
(3) Renault Clio no makes points
3. Fiesta ST 6 points
4. Peugeot 206 RC 5 points
5. Fiesta ST 0 points (only two best cars of the same make count)
6. Honda civic Type-R 3 points (the third Fiesta "neutralized" the 4 points and therefore Honda collected only 3 points).
So, here is another dimension. If there are more than three cars from the same make, only two best collect the points for manufacturer. However, the other cars from the same make neutralize the points for their respective position in top 8.
It is practically same in overall championship (best overall 8 get the points). But here, all non registered manufacturers are not counted (even the drivers). So, if you are driving Citroen and you win the rally, you are invisible for IRC. If 2WD crew is in top 8 by the end of the rally.Then he/she collects overall and his 2wd points.

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I agree with morganmilan totally. The hypothethical 2DW manufacturers placing you game with the Fiesta ST winning explains things about three cars from the same manufacturer being in the points paying positions quite well for me.

Say Martin Prokop is the driver in the third Fiesta for example Barwa. Because he finished 3rd, no matter where his fellow Fiesta runner finished in the points paying positions, his fellow driver in the Ford Fiesta doesn't get the points for his manufacturer for his placing. Though he will probably do in the 2WD Drivers Championship he won't get the points for Ford.

Which I think works well for those for teams able to run their eligible manufacturer (Ford, Peugeot, FIAT, Honda & Skoda) cars strongly. The best teams running drivers comitted to running a longer program in the IRC this year will gain the most points for the manufacturer that makes their car.

But I think those makes NOT eligible are good cars for drivers only comitted to doing one or two rounds but want a good rally car that will take them to a good time.
If the cars are not eligible to score points for the manufacturer then presumably they aren't eligible for drivers points.
If that be true, I don't myself see a whole lot of good in scoring points in an Abarth Punto or Peugeot 207 if your only doing one or two rounds.
Seems almost a waste when those points could have gone to a driver in a fellow eligible car who has finished below him/her who is participating in a much longer program in the series and looks good for a strong finish.

It seems that Giandomenico Basso will start Monte in a Peugeot 207 S2000.
(info taken from an italian forum, so handle with care!)

Has Kubica decided if he will drive MC, and in what car ?
Motoring news had a piece with his manager saying he probably would get a S2000 and felt he was ready for that after du Var.

As one of the reservists, the young French Stéphane Lefebvre and Nicolas Gilsoul took advantage of the dropouts already announced and they will actually be starting in the Rallye Monte Carlo with a Renault Twingo R2.

http://www.autonews-magazine.com/blo...ace2010-10.jpg

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Originally Posted by Sulland

Has Kubica decided if he will drive MC, and in what car ?
Motoring news had a piece with his manager saying he probably would get a S2000 and felt he was ready for that after du Var.

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If he is still a Renault F1 driver then my logic comes to the conclusion it has to be a Renault Clio R3. Indeed autoevolution.com reports this.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ro...rlo-15235.html

I know you all know about this aleady but I also see Heikki Kovalainen was rumoured to be running a Proton Satira Neo 2000 in the Artic Rally.

I assume R3 is the 2WD cars btw.

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Originally Posted by RICARDO75

As one of the reservists, the young French Stéphane Lefebvre and Nicolas Gilsoul took advantage of the dropouts already announced and they will actually be starting in the Rallye Monte Carlo with a Renault Twingo R2.

http://www.autonews-magazine.com/blo...ace2010-10.jpg

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Reservists? Are they basically what is says on the tin? Drivers who will go rallying in th event of another drivers withdrawl?

Also does anyone know the full entry list for Monte Carlo? Or is it basically whoever is on the list provided by the IRC website?

EDIT: Florian Gonon will do MC in a Subaru Impreza
http://www.ircseries.com/html/readnews.asp?id=2361

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Originally Posted by EavesFan09

If he is still a Renault F1 driver then my logic comes to the conclusion it has to be a Renault Clio R3. Indeed autoevolution.com reports this.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ro...rlo-15235.html

I know you all know about this aleady but I also see Heikki Kovalainen was rumoured to be running a Proton Satira Neo 2000 in the Artic Rally.

I assume R3 is the 2WD cars btw.

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Jan 2010 ! News...

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Originally Posted by CWJ

Jan 2010 ! News...

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So?