Re: Mobile phones & tablets thread
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Originally Posted by henners88
I don't think Apple need a cheap model personally. If someone wants a cheap phone, there are hundreds already in the market to choose from. The 5c is a facelift version of my 5, but will attract those ready to upgrade at the kind of price the outgoing 5 would have had. It has its niche and the 5s will pick up those willing to pay standard consistent iPhone prices. If the prices are still too high for some, it's not like there is lack of choice elsewhere. If I decide on my next upgrade I can't justify the cost, i'll get a top end Android phone. It would have to be the stock edition though having got used to the stability of iOS.
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The problem is this, market share.
The more low end customers who go to Android or Windows Phone as their first smart phone purchase, the less of the total market that Apple has, once Windows Phone equals Apple in marketshare, then there'll be less and less of an excuse for App makers not to make Windows Phone apps, then the competition will be based purely on specs and functionality and Apple will start to fall away.
We've all seen how quickly Android overtook iOS, if Windows Phone does it then Apple are in deep doo doo.
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Android will always maintain a larger proportion of the market than Apple because they cover a wider range of consumer. Nokia will most probably overtake Apple too at some stage because they are more affordable. Apple although occupy a fourth of what android does in the market, still make more profit and have maintained that for the past 4 years. There would have to be a serious decline in interest for Apple to be considered to be in trouble IMO. There is certainly no sign of trouble yet. Market share is important, but consistency and profit seem to be Apples priority over domination. We'll see, I'm not worried.
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Your right Apple didn't need the 5C. IMO it's pitched wrong. They should have perhaps recased the iPhone 4 and made it much cheaper in order to make a big difference to the 5S.
Part of the reason the 5C is so expensive is that they don't want people buying a 5C who would have otherwise bought a 5S. Thus the price difference is small.
As for Windows. It'll get there of course. As long as Microsoft keep going with it. Which they show every intention of so doing especially as they now own a handset manufacturer.
I switched from Nokia when the apps I wanted were available on iPhone. I'm considering Android now all the apps I need are there. I'm dismissing Windows as the apps aren't there but when they are. Things might change. I'm happy to use whatever device is going to work best for me.
Unlike some who will only base their choice on what company makes it ;)
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Originally Posted by Mark
Your right Apple didn't need the 5C. IMO it's pitched wrong. They should have perhaps recased the iPhone 4 and made it much cheaper in order to make a big difference to the 5S.
Part of the reason the 5C is so expensive is that they don't want people buying a 5C who would have otherwise bought a 5S. Thus the price difference is small.
As for Windows. It'll get there of course. As long as Microsoft keep going with it. Which they show every intention of so doing especially as they now own a handset manufacturer.
I switched from Nokia when the apps I wanted were available on iPhone. I'm considering Android now all the apps I need are there. I'm dismissing Windows as the apps aren't there but when they are. Things might change. I'm happy to use whatever device is going to work best for me.
Unlike some who will only base their choice on what company makes it ;)
What apps do you need? Just out of curiosity why is strava a must have over Endomondo?
I understand why they're protecting the 5s, but in time the money they will make on each handset sale will become less of an issue than the profit they make on app sales.
When I bought my first Windows Phone back in 2010 WP was a bit of a joke in terms of Apps, but I've never really been an app person, I use my phone for browsing the web and when I use facebook, I use the web version because no matter what I've tried, it's always faster, when I check in I'm forced to use the app if I want to tag people and upload a photo at the same time, but that's about it.
I go for an interface, how the phone feels, the screen and a decent camera. Sadly for Apple, they don't lead the market in any of these fields. I spose you could say their build quality is good, but I don't want something so small and up until the iPhone 5, something that had a glass back. I dropped my Lumia 800 back in December when it didn't have its silicone bumper on, it got a tiny crack in the bottom right corner of the screen, if it were an iPhone it would have been a new screen and a new back probably.
The problem for Apple is cost, I suspect one of the reasons you would consider swapping is cost, any current Apple phone on a contract is expensive, you can get a Windows or Android equivalent for 5-10 pounds less per month which is quite a bit over 24 months.
For less than a 5c will cost you per month, you can get a Lumia 1020 which is a flagship with a fantastic camera. Depending on my job situation, I might get myself a 1020 or a 1520 for Christmas :) I like my Ativ S, but it's just not a Nokia and I know that the first time I drop it properly, it's going to fly apart at a rate of knots.
I think you're right, a lower cost iPhone 4 equivalent would have been better.
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Personal preference and priorities concerning features is all that really sets top end phones apart. It's all subjective and everyone has different ideas to how they want a phone to feel. The iPhone was no more expensive than the top end Android phone of the time last year, the S3. I chose it on personal feel and what it could do. Most people I know own the iPhone so it generates very little discussion which is why it's nice to share experiences on the internet. Our little secret though :p
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Originally Posted by henners88
Personal preference and priorities concerning features is all that really sets top end phones apart. It's all subjective and everyone has different ideas to how they want a phone to feel. The iPhone was no more expensive than the top end Android phone of the time last year, the S3. I chose it on personal feel and what it could do. Most people I know own the iPhone so it generates very little discussion which is why it's nice to share experiences on the internet. Our little secret though :p
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In terms of the OS, iOS hasn't really evolved all that much since it launched though. It's still the basic grid design.
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In related news, Caroline will probably be upgrading to a Lumia 920 or 925 this week after using my hand me down Samsung Omia 7 since 2 Christmases ago.
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Originally Posted by Daniel
We've all seen how quickly Android overtook iOS, if Windows Phone does it then Apple are in deep doo doo.
This coming from the person that started the thread thinking the iPad would tank. I'm guessing investors aren't lined up at your door trying to figure out what the tech markets are doing. :D
I think a lot of people read way too much crap into all this. For the majority of people, they are basic communication devices and all are capable of what the majority use them for. So just like cars, people just buy what they like and are comfortable with. If everyone I know goes out and switches to Apple, or WP, it won't make me run out and get one. But if I decide I want an iPhone or WinPhone, I'll get one, know matter what anyone else thinks.
I really pity the people who get so hung up on the whole thing. If the forum is any indication, most people don't worry about it all that much for their phones, and they certainly don't worry about what phones others are using.
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Originally Posted by Daniel
There's more to an OS than app support though. There's a reason Malbec was recommending Windows Phone, they really are fantastic, i wish I'd waited till the 1020 and upcoming 1520 are out. Imo the cameras on the high end Lumia's are reason enough to not care about a couple of apps.
True though that maybe, for Mark, app support is what he clearly looks for in a mobile OS. And if the app support he needs is not as well supported on a Windows 'phone, then that will be why he does not rate it as high as others.