If black flag means instant disqualification, then how is it possible that Schumacher was allowed to participate in the podium ceremony after the Grand Prix?
If black flag means instant disqualification, then how is it possible that Schumacher was allowed to participate in the podium ceremony after the Grand Prix?
Talk about jumping the gun and not bothering to read posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
The B194 used an engine design that was used in the B193 at Suzuka in 1993, which is October, was then used in the B194 up until the Spanish GP, May 1994.
There were developments made to this engine spec throughout those 7 months, but none of these required a new ECU.
Because the 1994 regulations prohibited the use of traction control, Ford introduced the engine planned for 94 for the last two races of 1993. This ran with traction control for Suzuka & Adelaide, then ran without Traction Control throughout the winter in the 'muletta' B193, which carried on it several parts (suspension mainly but some aero stuff like front wings) never raced on a B193 but destined for the B194.
It is not unusual for a F1 team to do this still, since it is no good to wheel out a car in January and discover that something on it that could have been tested before the launch doesn't work.
To clarify - It did require changes to the engine management program, but not a wholly new system.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
I would imagine — again, no more than that — that the officials were confused as a result of the vehemency of Benetton's protest, and thought that further checks were necessary, thereby allowing him to stand on the podium. As I said before, the fact of this rule's existence and sudden emergence took me by surprise at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
I would have thought that the above was obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
Three little letters... DFV - Keke Rosberg won in 1982 with an engine which was originally devloped 15 years earlier :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
Mr Position is of course correct here, it's perfectly obvious that the 1982 DFV is going to be vastly different from the 1967 DFV, just like the B194 was different from the B193.
The most obvious difference was that the B193 (and there were A and B spec cars to boot) was powered by the Ford HB whereas the B194 had the Zetec Zetec-RV8. If Ford themselves reclassified the engine, I very much doubt it was the same.
Ford supplied Benetton with the 94 spec engine late in 93. At the time, it was publicly referred to as an HB and no announcement was ever made that the design had changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
This was mainly due to the ongoing Mclaren-customer spec row that Ron Dennis had been complaining about. Benetton were the works team, but Ford had been getting bad publicity due to the public bleating of a customer.
The Zetec moniker was given to it at the start of 94. The moniker was more for marketing reasons than anything else, if I recall correctly.
There was also a C-spec B193, the winter-testing muletta chassis. This moniker was never officially designated, but all who worked for Benetton in the winter of 1993/1994 knew that the car that was being tested was not a B193B nor a B194.
Alas, I can offer no proof other than my word. Benetton & Ford weren't in the habit of handing out technical data sheets for employees to post on the web and I had no desire to stuff my pockets with data sheets or discs just to settle an internet forum argument I might get into some 14 and a half years later.
By the look of it, given that no specific information has ever been forthcoming, neither have any of my former work colleagues.
As a footnote, just because an entry for a GP states an engine as being of a certain spec, doesn't mean it was.
Late 1993, i.e after July 1993 when all teams were aware of the ban on aids for the 1994 season?Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Yes, but the ECU was the same one. There was no need to change it, just modify it. There was no need to have a complete change.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
Please provide a link that says it wasn't the same ECU.
Just to add...
"Although the Benetton team did not deny that the software was on board, it claimed that the winning driver, Michael Schumacher, had not used it during the race. The program could only be activated by performing a complicated sequence of actions with the throttle, clutch and gear lever, said the company, a procedure designed to prevent the driver using it inadvertently. Benetton also claimed that the program was only for testing the car and had been left on the computer due to the pressure of work.
To investigate the incident, the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile, motor racing's governing body which is based in Paris, hired Liverpool Data Research Associates, a British company with experience in software for controlling aircraft. LDRA concluded that the software had probably not been used during the Italian Grand Prix and so the FIA took no action against Benetton or Schumacher.....
.........Traction control, on the other hand, relies on computer software alone to prevent wheels spinning out of control and cannot be spotted from a visual inspection of the car. This year, teams must submit their engine management software to the FIA before racing. Experts from LDRA will examine the programs before giving their approval. Trackside checks will be carried out at random using portable computers that can plug into the cars to ensure that the software has not been changed."
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...river-win.html
So the official Benetton line is that it was left on the car due to pressures of work, and there was no evidence that the system was used as confirmed by an independant investigation.
The New Scientist article also confirms that TC is just a program, as I have said, and has no physical features.
So where is your proof to prove this false?
A meaningless link to a YouTube video won't cut it, so either put up or shut up.
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Originally Posted by tamburello
Erm, you said they modified it. That automatically means they changed it.