Quite a disappointment is the times of Ketomaa. I understand there was hardly something to fight for after the mistake but still...
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Quite a disappointment is the times of Ketomaa. I understand there was hardly something to fight for after the mistake but still...
News about the SM3 drivers :confused:
Something strange with them. All Kinnunen, Korhonen, Lindroos, Pinomaki... has something like +30 min time in last stage. What happened?
Road blocked, they will get corrected time..
So Kinnunen winner SM3 :confused:
One of the 4WD drivers had a gearbox broken and blocked the road for top 2WD drivers.
Rule book rules again, no calculated times for drivers!
Sipilä's Mitsu got it's transmission completety jammed and therefore the car was not moving at all because all wheels were locked... Required quite an effort to move the car.
No corrected times for SM3 guys because regulations state that you can't be given a notional time unless stopped in the stage by SOS sign, etc. A block caused by another competitor is not a valid reason. Lots of discussion about the case going on...
Unfortunately I was not able to go to Mikkeli because of other commitments.
OMG How stupid is that???Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
Mirek, very stupid. Honestly, I didn't know that rules are like this. In this case, where a driver of different class prevented other class drivers to run stage properly, how about cancelling the stage from them? If first runners go through, nominal times for the stopped. This is just cruel.
But as said, the justice in this case was that all top 2WD guys suffered from this, so championship wise it's not too effective.
This is common national rules, but not appropriate having in WRC I guess...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
How would rallies end if every blocking car is a reason to cancel a stage?
We had a proper start of the season since in Arctic rally we retired almost immediately. Jari learning stage by stage more from the car and me learning the reading pace for the Evo 9 after last year's R2 Fiesta.
First stage on Friday in the dark was a total mess for us. I was unsure with the reading pace and Jari also "pumped" with his driving. 9th in class and lost surprisingly little in time.
Second stage was OK. Super special and 3rd fastest overall.
First stage(stage 3) on Saturday started really well, but maybe 5km from the start we caught Ketomaa and had to drive behind him the rest of the stage. He said he knew we were behind him, but didn't want to let us pass since he counted it would have cost him 10 more seconds. We'll post incar footage later so everyone can see how much we lost or didn't loose driving behind him. Really unsportmanship since this isn't any WRC championship. He sabotaged our stage time on purpose. I lost all respect for the man. What a (place any description here you see fit) of a guy... We 8th on that stage.
Stage 4 went cleanly and we were 5th on that one.
Stage 5 went quite ok except for a couple of really long slides on loose snow. 5th on that one also.
In the end of stage 6 we caught some snow in our air filter, but luckily didn't loose too much time because of it. Managed to climb 5th overall.
Mikkeli had great roads as usual and was nice to have a trouble free rally on technical point of view. Our working also got better throughout the rally. Next round in Joensuu is my spiritual home rally and really looking forward to it.
He lost there already over minute and a half so few seconds more wouldn't make any difference for him... this guy is really not OK!Quote:
Originally Posted by Susiraja
What? No, it's not common! No way! It's normal to stop stage if it is blocked and give all affected crews notional times.I'm really surprised that somewhere rules can be so stupid that they punish crews for something they had no chance to affect. At least in central Europe and all FIA events (even those stupid cups) it is like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I absolutely don't get Your thinking. So the way to finish the stage is to stand half an hour on the spot? That's a joke, nothing else. Usual correct way is that the affected crews take alternative route to the next time check around the stage like it is pointed in the itinerary. They are then given notional times. This is standard procedure!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Well, that´s the way in Sweden. It happened many times, especially in winterrallies, during my career. Just to accept - because this happens so often the organizers would have to give notional time on every stage wintery winters...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
National and FIA international rules are different. Hope that this rule will be corrected soon!
I'm very sorry for R2 drives who lost the game because of this! :mad:
It happens here quite often that crews from the bottom of the startlist compete on let's say 1/4 or even 1/3 stages less than the top because of accidents (happens especially in one day events). But they still have fair competition. They drive less, that is true but their effort is not ruined by somebody else. That's totally wrong to accept, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I´m not against that way. Just mentioned that it´s not generally rule. But your solution should be the most justice way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Onboard with Salo/Salminen on SS3.
Here's the onboard I promised from stage 3. Catching Ketomaa at roughly 6minutes and then concentrating on not going off the road in the snow dust
SM- Vaakuna ralli 2013, Jari Kihlman - YouTube
Here is some footage from stage 4. That went well, but have to admit that the onboard footage isn't as entertaining as Salo's. Those are always nice to watch ;)
SM-Vaakuna ralli 2013, EK4, Jari Kihlman - YouTube
nice,and perfect camera mounting! congrats mate!Quote:
Originally Posted by Susiraja
Well, at least Lindroos was trying...
http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Mik...JPG?img=img900
My friend's photos: rallirinki.kuvat.fi
Again from Salo's FB, a picture by Seppo Salminen. That's what they mean when saying "flying sideways in the air". :-)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...29118530_n.jpg
Fantastic stuff from Salo
Seems that we were both wrong ;) A good fight in the sm3 class. Shame about the end results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Co-FIN
In the sm2 class Karttunen put on a good show. He may have had better traction in places, but to put it mildly his clio isn't exactly "latest spec". I had a chance to watch his driving and once to sit in the co-drivers seat in the akk training. I think he might have the smoothest driving style I have ever seen. And nowadays everyone tries to drive smoothly, but that's the main thing which stuck into my memory.
It hasn't been mentioned here, but on SS6 - prior to the blockage - Joonas Lindroos went off and spent some minutes in the ditch. It really wasn't his weekend.
You´re right. Joonas and C2 could be seen from the Kalle Pinomäki´s incar from the SS6 @1:00 min. In the end of the video is also seen the Mitsu which caused the jam. Video ends to Kalle´s question to co-driver "What shall we do now?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBU-...mGjimQ&index=2
That place...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeppe
I'll have to link one more onboard from Mikkeli, this time it's Juho Annala (who had that massive jump crash/roll last year in Kouvola ending his season there because of an injury and wrecked car) on SS5, some nice driving with C2... :) Here lost only 4,2 secs to fastest R2 (Kinnunen 208).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG9nqZSUZZw
Entries for next FRC event in Joensuu (March 9th) are here in pdf.
Ketomaa in Impreza R4 this time. Otherwise no big surpises. Lindroos is in. Also Inessa has entered...
Some feelings/thoughts updated to my blog after Mikkeli. Looking forward to my spiritual home rally in Joensuu next weekend.
Now I'll head towards Lahti to watch today's F-Cup rally :)
Any reports from todays F-cup yet?
They've just merely started. SS3 live at the moment. Jaska Nuorala in the lead, but there are 7 drivers within 11,1 seconds at the moment. Last three stages will be in darkness for top runners, more stages in darkness for higher numbers (230+ entries).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
You can follow results here: Online1 valikko
I don't know where exactly are they driving, but perhaps some parts from Lahti region NORF stages. At least last stage is a round on Jokimaa trotting track. My friend is at the rally and says there's a lot of spectators - as it is normally with F-Cup events in Southern Finland. I had to skip this for other prior engagement.
After SS4 Jere Rekola in the lead. The width of competition never stops to amaze me with F-Cup. Top drivers are top drivers, but still, after 45 or so kilometres top 25 is within 30 seconds.
Jaska Nuorala won F-Cup Lahti before Tero Salminen (+4,9s). Last stages were run in difficult conditions as it was dark and snowing heavily. It was also cold so snow dust became an issue.
Here's a nice shot of Nuorala: mla.kuvat.fi
You rarely see a big car like Volvo 240 jump like that... Suspension travel isn't exactly WRC kind.
Here are my friend's pictures: rallirinki.kuvat.fi
Not rallying, but motorsport still - tragic news now from "jokamiehenluokka" winter championship event where a marshall died after getting hit by a car. The track was on a lake, two cars in side contact from where the other car lost control and went into a snowbank where the marshall was standing.
Jari Ketomaa - Preparing for Joensuu Rally 2013 - YouTube
Jari Ketomaa test's TMR Subaru R4 for next weekend FRC rally in Joensuu...
Early retirement again for Inessa(forfait) :confused:
Tulossivu
Where's Kalle Pinnomäki on SS2 Itäralli :confused:
He was leading R2 class after SS1...
Lost 10 min on SS 2, when got stuck in the snow....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
There's some timing issues on SS3. Salo is in the finish but his time isn't there yet.
Ketomaa, engine failure on SS2, out.