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Thierry Neuville

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Can some one translate this
"Du côté de l’Allemagne, on aurait aperçu Kris Meeke en visite dans les locaux Hyundai. Va-t-on vers un échange Neuville – Meeke entre les 2 équipes ?"

In google translate it uses the words "would have been seen" which is obviously far different to "has been seen"

Cheers
 
The conditional verb form should be forbidden to all the journalists in order to live everybody in a better world.
 
Can some one translate this
"Du côté de l’Allemagne, on aurait aperçu Kris Meeke en visite dans les locaux Hyundai. Va-t-on vers un échange Neuville – Meeke entre les 2 équipes ?"

In google translate it uses the words "would have been seen" which is obviously far different to "has been seen"

Cheers

I am a french-speaking belgian: the correct translation is "In Germany, one would have seen Meeke visiting Hyundai facility. Are we going to a swap (Neuville - Meeke) between the two teams?".
 
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Very vague and unclear then. I think if Meeke had visited Hyundai you'd write that story - not include it as a throwaway line.
 
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Why not?

He already knows the car in and out.
He is a valuable test driver.
Its not much risk of him learning anything new he can take to Citroën.

So why not?

I think Hyundai would miss an opportunity if they did not let Neuville drive the car, even if he was to leave the team.
Almost as big an opportunity as they have missed by not signing in Hirvonen or Grönholm as development drivers.


If Neuville was moving to Citroen next year there's no way they'd still have him working in the 2016 car.
 
Why not?

He already knows the car in and out. - Does he? He's openly admitted he's left the bulk of development to others.
He is a valuable test driver - Is he? I thought the jury was out on his development abilities?
Its not much risk of him learning anything new he can take to Citroën. - Maybe. But it's pretty commonplace to block off drivers who are going elsewhere. What is the incentive for someone to improve a car they won't drive?

So why not? - Well it's the same team who just demoted him for not driving well enough. They don't need to put him in the car given the amount of drivers they have under contract. The rationale being that he isn't going to do the best job.

My answers above. Just trying to play devil's advocate really. To me this is an indication he is staying put next year.
 
My answers above. Just trying to play devil's advocate really. To me this is an indication he is staying put next year.

If it was 100% sure that Neuville was leaving, maybe he wouldn't be on this test. But it would be a very bad tactical move to let him go now, before Hyundai tries out some variables with both Neuville and Paddon. They have a lot invested in Neuville, and if the GB is what he needs to wake up, they can work further together.

But still Hyundai would not do their job properly if they didn't search out the market for alternatives. Kris Meeke is the obvious answer, but other things like having Mikko Hirvonen in a support role would also be a step in the right direction.

Hyundai has a challenge with a team with no really experienced development driver (including Sordo who I got a feeling that when in Citroën it was more about doing his job and not be vocal - than anything else), so they don't really know the speed of their car.

Sordo has his best stage times when he in post stage interviews complains about understeering. And more often than not, the tarmac specialist has them in very slippery muddy conditions.

Neuville has stage times all over the place, with a very declining trend. He comes from a Ford which most probably is the easiest car to drive in the WRC, to a Hyundai with more of a French approach. This can muddle the set up, because if Hyundai are trying to make a "French-fast" car, ie. lower roll centre, stiffer in roll etc, and Neuville really can't drive that kind of car (this kind of car will feel very understeered to the driver that is not capable of creating the front end grip), they will try to compensate with set up changes.

When the geometry in the car is right, but the driver is wrong for it, You will get some very strange set up solutions to try to better it. The geometry is the foundation. So the car, like its tarmac set up with a strange "top heavy" roll, could be a way to help the drivers making it steer, but all in all a very bad compromise to the speed/set up.
In short: We dont really know what the Hyundai is capable of before Loeb or Ogier drives it - and they won't.

Paddon is a joker, and can also unsettle the set up direction a little bit. He is in the class of Latvala when it comes to shear car handling, and You could give him ha wheel barrow and he would drive the wheel(s) of it. And is the most true Driver in the team.
But he can compensate for any set up shortcomings, and You see also that he does, by driving the Hyundai a little bit "rear-wheel-drive-ish", where You get the pendulum going, and push the car from behind - rather than pull it from the front.

So what do You do as a engineer?
In the blue corner You have Neuville - wearing his Spy glasses, Superdry shirt and sporting a well combed hair cut - complaining about how awful this car is, and that it isn't worth the risk to try and push it to the limits.
And in the Red corner, wearing a Escorth MKII steering wheel around his neck, You have Paddon who just arrived from driving a 750 hp four wheel drive hill climb car that one of his friends built in the shed, and is deeply impressed by the fact that all the team cars are painted in the same color, and by Neuvilles account sets blistering times because he doesn't know any better.

Hiring an outside consultant, preferably Grönholm or Hirvonen would be a very good decision in my mind :)

Look at Paddon driving a home built 750 hp hill climb monster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjyrCGWoguU

The best driver decision for Hyundai would in my mind be to hire Kris Meeke. He did a lot of development work for Citroën, and has shown great speed in a French car, and him with full thrust from the team - would yield som great performances!
 
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And in the Red corner, wearing a Escorth MKII steering wheel around his neck, You have Paddon who just arrived from driving a 750 hp four wheel drive hill climb car that one of his friends built in the shed, and is deeply impressed by the fact that all the team cars are painted in the same color, and by Neuvilles account sets blistering times because he doesn't know any better.

Hiring an outside consultant, preferably Grönholm or Hirvonen would be a very good decision in my mind :)

Look at Paddon driving a home built 750 hp hill climb monster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjyrCGWoguU

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Ok, yeap tongue and cheek comment on Hayden from you which maybe accurate, but if I detect some hack kind of sentiment I would say in fact his attitude towards high profile rallying in terms of media, team dynamics etc is much more professional than Nevilles. You watch him come in to service in Ausi, he has everything down to clock work to another level compared with Neville and right from an early age of getting sponsorship, had his shit down. Im sure most top rally drivers have mates who a mechanics building monsters in there garages,
 
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Comparing their 'Road to WRC' it sure looks like Paddon had to put more effort into things next to the driving indeed. Neuville got into a (semi-) factory seat in IRC in 2010 which was quite early in his career I believe? Then of course Citroen elevated him from Peugeot in IRC to WRC.
 
Comparing their 'Road to WRC' it sure looks like Paddon had to put more effort into things next to the driving indeed. Neuville got into a (semi-) factory seat in IRC in 2010 which was quite early in his career I believe? Then of course Citroen elevated him from Peugeot in IRC to WRC.
This is a factor that is often overlooked.

Neuville contends Paddon is under less pressure not carrying the burden of scoring points and this is the reason for his better results. That's a nonsense. The accumulation of points is not a pressure, it is simply the bi-product of doing the job he's paid to do.

When what you do with a rally car this weekend has a direct impact on whether you have an opportunity to do it again next weekend and whether or not you can continue to earn a livelihood ... that is pressure. That's the kind of pressure that Paddon and others like him are under week in week out, and has an unquestionable and significant impact on how they drive the car.

Neuville is among the privileged few. Relieved of worries around earnings and of the consequences of mishap, he is free to drive the car to the best of his ability, chance his arm, take risks, go for broke. It's the same privilege Loeb and Ogier have always enjoyed. They embraced the opportunity and used it to their, and their team's, advantage. Neuville appears to either not understand the position he's in and/or is simply not up to the task.
I suspect that Nandan is beginning to wonder whether he signed the wrong guy but, rather than jumping to conclusions, is prepared to shuffle his deck a bit to find out.

Lunde's earlier post hit the nail on the head. There's a number of objectives that could be met with this move for GB which he has described. But there is no purpose sitting Neuville in non points scoring car in the season finale if immediately after the event he has a new employer. This points to Neuville remaining at Hyundai for 2016.
 
This pressure thing is a joke. Being in third car does not free him from pressure because now he has no more excuses and the pressure remains the same, if not more.

If Neuville didn't want pressure he should have choosen a different sport.
 
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And in the Red corner, wearing a Escorth MKII steering wheel around his neck, You have Paddon who just arrived from driving a 750 hp four wheel drive hill climb car that one of his friends built in the shed, and is deeply impressed by the fact that all the team cars are painted in the same color, and by Neuvilles account sets blistering times because he doesn't know any better.

Hiring an outside consultant, preferably Grönholm or Hirvonen would be a very good decision in my mind :)

Look at Paddon driving a home built 750 hp hill climb monster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjyrCGWoguU

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Ok, yeap tongue and cheek comment on Hayden from you which maybe accurate, but if I detect some hack kind of sentiment I would say in fact his attitude towards high profile rallying in terms of media, team dynamics etc is much more professional than Nevilles. You watch him come in to service in Ausi, he has everything down to clock work to another level compared with Neville and right from an early age of getting sponsorship, had his shit down. Im sure most top rally drivers have mates who a mechanics building monsters in there garages,

Hello - this is absolutely ment in the best possible way towards Haydon Paddon.
 
And what if Neuville knows the 2016 car is not good enough? Hyundai made a lot of weird decisions recently (Frison, Murphy, new car's delay). More, it seems that Nandan is Paddon's agent now, and Pénasse would be Abbring's agent?

And a lot of guys here still think it's only pressure?
 
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