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Rally Discussion and Bar Talk Thread

Everyone knows that SUVs are total nonsense but still buy them. It's just that human is very stupid regarding their own thinking and using their brains. But on the other hand what could they do? Even if they would boycott manufacturers who sell only those, eventually every one of those brands will sell only those cars, no matter what interest or wishes would be in other segments. And that's why Toyota will probably still be on first place around the world. They cover all possible segments, offer fun cars in GR versions, are involved in many motorsport activities around the globe. It's just like they know how thinhs should be done. I say, let the brand die if they think that EV and SUV should be the only thing that should be out there. Is it not enough already that many of brands offer only one crappy 1.0 engine in "all their models" novadays.
 
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WRCStan said:
How a Ford Kuga shows where WRC and motorsport is going wrong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkHFw1_p3qw

I think Jon's on the path to seeing why WRC27 is both necessary and inevitable. But not sure why he thinks the WRC and motorsport is going wrong? Maybe the title should be How a Ford Kuga shows why WRC and motorsport is going wrong.
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I agree with him but also with you.

The car buying public are being sold SUV's and they are awful cars compared to hatches and saloons. Plus they wont make into a rally car and rallying wont promote them well.

But as this wont change any time soon the only possible answer is the spaceframe with panels attached.

Time will tell if this works. And with 8 months til Monte 2027 no Manufacturer apart from Toyota is convinced...
 
Fast Eddie WRC said:
And with 8 months til Monte 2027 no Manufacturer apart from Toyota is convinced...
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Which is precisely why it's time to stop talking in terms of production 'SUV' manufacturers taking part.

And it's also long past time to stop using this term SUV. Revive 'town car', or MV 'mobility vehicle', which is all they are. There's no sports, nor utility but personal luggage. Regulations say all cars need to have 4G/5G connection, microphones and automated data transmission to the authorities, so I go back to what I said before that these are Surveilled Urban Vehicles if anything 'SUV'. Just digital devices that the data-point masses will obey, comply and oblige. Once you get into that level of social engineering thinking, tinfoil hat aside, you can definitely stop thinking about manufacturers selling cars that driving enthusiasts want and motorsport programmes.
 
Out there oppinion, but in my oppinion WRC caters to the fundamentally wrong types of cars now.

We should be racing real wheel drive sports cars (Rally Porsche, Rally Ferrari -> RGT) and not family cars.

Buyers of that cars are for sure more likely to "win on Sunday, buy on Monday" than the everage normal guy today
 
Ferranis said:
Out there oppinion, but in my oppinion WRC caters to the fundamentally wrong types of cars now.

We should be racing real wheel drive sports cars (Rally Porsche, Rally Ferrari -> RGT) and not family cars.

Buyers of that cars are for sure more likely to "win on Sunday, buy on Monday" than the everage normal guy today
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I’ve always wondered why no serious effort has ever been made to establish an RGT rally championship with RGTs as the top class. Separate from the WRC and ERC. Last year in the Belgian Championship, the Porsche 992 RGT driven by Cedric Cherain was very popular with the public. A championship featuring cars such as the Porsche 992, BMW M2/M3,… would be quite popular and attract a different kind of audience to rallies. Because these are the cars the average joe dreams of. And it would indeed attract an audience that can actually afford to buy such cars. But just to be clear: I don’t really see it as a solution for the WRC. But it might help the sport of rallying.
 
Belrally said:
I’ve always wondered why no serious effort has ever been made to establish an RGT rally championship with RGTs as the top class. Separate from the WRC and ERC. Last year in the Belgian Championship, the Porsche 992 RGT driven by Cedric Cherain was very popular with the public. A championship featuring cars such as the Porsche 992, BMW M2/M3,… would be quite popular and attract a different kind of audience to rallies. Because these are the cars the average joe dreams of. And it would indeed attract an audience that can actually afford to buy such cars.
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You are probably a new member of our forum and you don't know that we had a thread about GT class here. Unfortunately, it didn't generate much enthusiasm. Actually, to the contrary - there appeared people who hated Porsches and claimed that those cars don't belong in rally. I like GT cars, but some people hate them:
https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?21279-GT-Class
 
240RS said:
Amazingly, we are back to discussing how to make WRC a clone of Formula 1.
Read the text in the link below. It looks like we are back to trying the impossible:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WRC/s/Dw5RXwoZTK
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It sounds more like just beefing up what happens in the service park area. Hasn't Rally Estonia been doing it already for over a decade with all the extra stuff happening in the service park? I haven't attended it for over 10 years myself now, so don't know what exactly is going on there nowadays.
 
the whole "we need a drive to survive thing to grow like f1" is so weird. wrc did this one, which is kinda cool... for us.
motogp had one, which their fans loved. v8sc had one, endurogp had one, formula e keeps trying too, pro4s tried too.... but nobody will ever reach dts simply because its f1.
i found out that theres one of those even for some kids doing go karts in the UK haha weird times... https://youtu.be/FbbEDlwJawg?si=wUbu0QkqKqx05r06
 
Drive to Survive got super lucky with the whole world coming to a halt in 2020. Without the pandemic I don't think it would had blown up as much as it did.

The behind the scenes things are always interesting. I still remember watching the one with Subaru WRT like 20 years ago. But it's not an easy thing to produce with rallying spread over a vast area compared to F1 where everything happens on less than 10 square kilometers during the weekend. And the whole circuit is covered with cameras.
 
Wanted to say a huge Thank-You to everyone involved making this forum better and nicer (and dark mode is a welcome edition!), I'm sure it took a lot of time and effort to put it together, and it's nice to see after 13 years some (huge) changes being made here so thanks again!!
 
WRCStan said:
Anyone know what happened to @Mirek? IIRC he seemed to have some car manufacturing/building experience, or was technically minded.
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Forum says it's been a couple of years. I know that we have probably lost some members due to issues with the old server meaning the forum was often slow. So would be good to let them know of the changes.
 
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