Rally on Water

[Castrol R]

During Wales RallyGB I stood alongside David Richards and some of the prodrive bosses watching a showcase event, which introduces rallying to the water. DR's timing was perfect he left the dockside made his way into the Viper marquee when one of the display teams performed a remarkable turn just in front of the prodrive crew and got them absolutely soaked..

Having said that they were probably soaked anyway due to the foul weather over the Wales RallyGB weekend !!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFjP7zHR-A0

The clip forms apart of a promo dvd for the city of swansea, the boat crew where actors with 10 minutes tuition, so they can be excused for not taking the boat to its limits.

The 4 teams who went against the clock put on a very different show !!

Let me know your thoughts !!

[Daniel]

How is that rallying?

[WRCfan]

Because Petter Solberg has one on order to shoot the kids to school in.....

[Castrol R]

How is that rallying?

Because, it works on the same format, the co-driver sat in tandem has a set of pace notes which he relays to his driver via intercom and each crew runs indivdually against the clock.

The Youtube clip forms apart of a promo dvd for the city of swansea and the boat crew were a couple of actors with only 10 minutes tuition, so they can be excused for not taking the boat to its limits.

I watched 4 teams go against the clock, which put on a very different show.

[Daniel]

Because, it works on the same format, the co-driver sat in tandem has a set of pace notes which he relays to his driver via intercom and each crew runs indivdually against the clock.

The Youtube clip forms apart of a promo dvd for the city of swansea and the boat crew were a couple of actors with only 10 minutes tuition, so they can be excused for not taking the boat to its limits.

I watched 4 teams go against the clock, which put on a very different show.
It's a boat though. Rallying happens with cars. Just because you have two people riding an armadillo against the clock and one person's steering and the other's reading notes doesn't make it rallying.

[Castrol R]

It's a boat though. Rallying happens with cars. Just because you have two people riding an armadillo against the clock and one person's steering and the other's reading notes doesn't make it rallying.


You have F1 cars & F1 boats, why can't you have rally cars & rally boats?
The vipers unusual design allows it to behave very much like the car, as it seems to slide around corners unlike a conventional powerboat, and much as rallying started with cars the Paris Dakar Rally is open to cars, bikes, quads and trucks., much as I appreciate a boat in the Paris Dakar would not be very competitive !!!!

[Daniel]

Formula 1 just means that it's the pinnacle of the sport. Formula 1 armadillo racing would be the pinnacle of armadillo racing.

[Castrol R]

One of the most successful people in rallying is David Richards who went from Co-driver to the CEO of Prodrive, when he was asked about the rally on water concept he said,"fantastic, why hasn't it been thought of before" if it has DR's endorsment I can't see why it can't go on and become successful.

[N.O.T]

This has no place in here.....

[Josti]

One of the most successful people in rallying is David Richards who went from Co-driver to the CEO of Prodrive, when he was asked about the rally on water concept he said,"fantastic, why hasn't it been thought of before" if it has DR's endorsment I can't see why it can't go on and become successful.

With all do respect, DR had several "great" concepts for the benefit of rallying, which didn't turned out that great afterall.

As said by a rallyfan, nothing to my interest.

[Castrol R]

"Better to have tried and failed, than never to have tried at all"

Can't you see, that rallying on water is the future, if we are to believe our politicians and the rate we are loosing the polar caps, it could be the only rallying open to us !!!!

Not that I suggest anyone should ever believe a politician !!!

[Daniel]

I prefer armadillo rallying. Who's with me?

[J4MIE]

I prefer armadillo rallying. Who's with me?

I like the idea Daniel but it's just not rallying, is it?











:p :

[A.F.F.]

I think it's great idea. :up:

But why can't it happen with rowingboats ?

[Castrol R]

Daniel, Armadillo has its merits, but I see it even further from rallying than the boat concept. The whole concept of on the water rallying is a copy of its dry land mentor. Armadillo has no pacenotes and where does the co-driver sit?

Rallying on water will become a sport, it has to start somewhere.

[N.O.T]

its like saying track racing and swimming are the same......both need to cover a straight line in the shortest possible time.....both need 1 man.

[Brother John]

One of the most successful people in rallying is David Richards who went from Co-driver to the CEO of Prodrive, when he was asked about the rally on water concept he said,"fantastic, why hasn't it been thought of before" if it has DR's endorsment I can't see why it can't go on and become successful.


David Richards had more stupid things in his head! :rolleyes: Suwaru ! :D
F1, Aston Martin as rallycar, what is the following idea, he would remain better with two feet on the ground and do one matter correctly.......How about the Subaru WRC CAR? :D :s mokin:

[Castrol R]

This clip will probably show the boats capabilities more accurately,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gBDxKAxYlI

[Daniel]

This clip will probably show the boats capabilities more accurately,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gBDxKAxYlI
Why not post this on some boat forum?

[Castrol R]

Why not post this on some boat forum?

Because Daniel, it is the sport of rallying, working under the same disciplines as rallying but converted to the water.

I am only after peoples opinions, you either like the idea or not !!

If people like it, then I'd like to know what you like about it.

If not, then what is it you don't like.

Its a forum and I would like peoples views - that's all !!!

[N.O.T]

THEY ARE USING BOATS !!! People who like boats will be interested !!!

leave !!!!!!!!!!

[MrJan]

I see the idea as a sport is fine but the concept of racing against the clock is not unique to rallying. I thinkwe'd all find the idea a lot easier to swallow if you'd called it Time Trailing. The idea of rallying is that it tests man and machine across different terrains, as far as I'm aware the sea is pretty much one terrain.


Daniel - Any chance you could sell the TV rights of armadillo rallying to a terrestial channel, maybe the Beeb could use it to bring back granstand along with monkey tennis and cat rugby (not rugby for cats but more rugby WITH cats ;) ) :D

[Castrol R]

THEY ARE USING BOATS !!! People who like boats will be interested !!!

leave !!!!!!!!!!

Thank you N.O.T for your response, I take it that you do not like the idea then ???

Mr Jan Yeo - The sea is far from the same terrain, you get swells, chops, calm, rough, but that aside, the courses can be long, short, simple, demanding, and due to the positioning of the turn buoys the course can even mimic the stages of a WRC event.
Don't you think that could be good, car v boat on virtually the same course ??
Your views will be welcome, good or bad..

[RicKT]

Because, it works on the same format, the co-driver sat in tandem has a set of pace notes which he relays to his driver via intercom and each crew runs indivdually against the clock.




Take a look at a the definition of "Rallying" in a dictionary....... below is an example for you.


the sport of driving in automobile rallies.

The word "Rally" is a term used to draw or call (persons) together for a common action or effort.

Yes, from a wording perspective, Boat racing or even peddle boot racing is a "Rally" as people are joining together to take part in a common intrest... just like a motor bike owners club Rally meet, or a protest "Rally"............ and while the people are doing it i guess you could say they were "Rallying" together....... using a non correct term.

HOWEVER... thats where it stops...

You can call it a boat rally if you wish but it is not associated with automobile rallying in the form you are referring to, yes theres a co-driver who gives notes.... But there is also a co-pilot who pilots a commercial airliner who gives notes, and they are not rallying, they are flying...

To be honest.. I think you only posted this as you know this forum has a lot of members and you wanted the Video count up on YOUR videos on YOU TUBE.. seen as though you only have around 660 views.... and after looking at your profile you only seem to of been active in this thread.

I refer to the above as boot racing, like WRC.. is car racing....

Like you said.. Yes it is a form of Rally.... but not in the same context you are referring to....

Also.... I suggest a moderator moves this thread to the general chat section as it is not linked at all to WRC, or even a car.......

ps... Happy sailing!! :)


and just for the record.... Sailing




Sailing or Sail-ing
Nautical
To move across the surface of water, especially by means of a sailing vessel.
To travel by water in a vessel.
To start out on such a voyage or journey.
To operate a sailing craft, especially for sport.




Rick

[MrJan]

Mr Jan Yeo - The sea is far from the same terrain, you get swells, chops, calm, rough, but that aside, the courses can be long, short, simple, demanding, and due to the positioning of the turn buoys the course can even mimic the stages of a WRC event.
Don't you think that could be good, car v boat on virtually the same course ??
Your views will be welcome, good or bad..

I understand that (I spent many a year in Cowes when the Class 1 Powerboats still went there including the ill-fated year when a few ended up on beaches in Torbay) and realise that, certainly when a prop is involve, the throttle control is key (Steve Curtis was a childhood hero of mine).

However snow, gravel and tarmac are all very different but at the end of the day water is still water. Also the rally in Cyprus will always be rough and the tarmac stages of Spain will be smooth, this doesn't happen with boats. Some days it's windy and peeing with rain and everything is choppy, the next day could be calm.

I see that this can be a cool sport but it simply is NOT rallying. Call it a Time Trial like it should be.

[A.F.F.]

I can't help but this reminds me an offcial Rally Australia thread couple years ago... you recall the one with Eki and the kangaroos ??

Anyway, my view in simply one word. Stupid.

[Rani]

Isn't there a similar sport running in NZ for years?
Over there it's jet boats running in shallow ponds but it's very much alike.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3834606866759813529&q=NZ+jet+boat&total=234&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9

[DonJippo]

This thread does not belong to this forum.

[Castrol R]

I can not believe that fans of such a fantastic sport of rallying can be so single minded and see about as far as the end of their nose and no further.

I have been involved in rallying for years, some of the best times I have ever had was behind the wheel of my MK1 Escort, I have spent numerous hours in the forests of Wales watching the likes of Roger Clarke, Ari Vatanen and the drivers of that era.

My greatest claim to fame was when I was invited to the Goodwood Festival of Speed by Lord March to take part on the Rally Stage in my MK1 Escort in 1996.

So with regards to rallying, I have the greatest respect for the sport but believe me when I say that behind the wheel of one of these boats was as much fun, equally as demanding and the closest to the feeling of rallying outside of a car, try looking outside the box !!

[N.O.T]

Moderators Move This Thread Please !!!

[MrJan]

My problem isn't with the sport itself but your description of it being like rallying.Like I said before my family used to make an annual trip to the Cowes classic as well as Honda Four Stroke at Teignmouth and more recently the Class 1 in Plymouth.

This thread should necessarily be removed by bunged in with chit-chat or the like because it's worth discussion just not in the rallying forum :)

EDIT: Decent name Castrol R, nothing like standing in a cold forest and a car running Castrol R goes past and all the die-hard fans take a good sniff and go 'ahhhh'

[Castrol R]

N.O.T - You're coming across as a person with a balanced personality in that it looks like you have a chip on both shoulders !!

You must accept change and variation, it is a good thing your anchestors did or you would be living in a cave !!

I suggest some breathing exercises and get out more.

You are not bound to take part on this thread but I do respect your views, please respect mine.

[Castrol R]

[quote
EDIT: Decent name Castrol R, nothing like standing in a cold forest and a car running Castrol R goes past and all the die-hard fans take a good sniff and go 'ahhhh'[/QUOTE]

Clearly you are from the same era as myself, nothing beats Castrol R.

[Roy]

Rallying in water is this:
http://www.forddesktops.com/browse.asp?f=rallye&k=WRC+Splash

Nothing more nothing less.

[Castrol R]

Roy - tread carefully, 80% of the Netherlands is below sea level, it is a posibility that futuristically rallying on water is all the Netherlands will be able to offer.

[RicKT]

Castrol R -

First of all, you seem to have disregared my post above,.....

Secondly, This is nothing to do with WRC...

And last but no means least.... you asked for an opinion, you got it above from the replies........

This thread needs to be moved or closed.

Rick

[Roy]

Roy - tread carefully, 80% of the Netherlands is below sea level, it is a posibility that futuristically rallying on water is all the Netherlands will be able to offer.

So what. I can swim. I don't need a ship. :\
This is nothing to do with rallying. Bye. :wave:

[Castrol R]

Castrol R -

First of all, you seem to have disregared my post above,.....

Secondly, This is nothing to do with WRC...

And last but no means least.... you asked for an opinion, you got it above from the replies........

This thread needs to be moved or closed.

Rick

First of all I apologise for not responding to you personally, I had no idea it was compulsary !!

With regards to it has nothing to do with WRC, the guy who owns the IPR to wrc suggested that this event should be showcased at WRC venues, with the goal of one day being able to stand of its own two feet as a credible motorsport.

I respect your opinion, but when you consider the cost to the individual to compete in rallying at a credible level, the rally on water concept is a great alternative at a fraction of the price, which will appeal to alot of people.

I am assuming you are a fella competitor, what did you spend on your most recent championship event ??

[A.F.F.]

With regards to it has nothing to do with WRC, the guy who owns the IPR to wrc suggested that this event should be showcased at WRC venues, with the goal of one day being able to stand of its own two feet as a credible motorsport.



You brought it here, the holy of the holiest and look what kind of reception your idea has gotten? How successfull is the guy who owns the IRP to wrc? Anymore ideas, even remotely related to rallying ?

[Castrol R]

So what. I can swim. I don't need a ship. :\
This is nothing to do with rallying. Bye. :wave:


I don't mean to sound disrespectful, I think your response is a little immature,

This is nothing to do with rallying. Bye. :wave:

[Daniel]

This is nothing to do with rallying. Bye. :wave:

Yes this thread really isn't much to do with rallying is it? :confused:

[Castrol R]

You brought it here, the holy of the holiest and look what kind of reception your idea has gotten? How successfull is the guy who owns the IRP to wrc? Anymore ideas, even remotely related to rallying ?

He owns Provdrive, Aston Martin, his own F1 team in 2009, and much more you know nothing about, Am I to assume you are questioning his success.

[Castrol R]

Yes this thread really isn't much to do with rallying is it? :confused:

Not in your opinion, but we are on page 3 and you are still writing !!!!!

[MrJan]

Clearly you are from the same era as myself, nothing beats Castrol R.


Only if you were born in the mid-80s :D Thankfully there were still enough old Escorts running it while I was still young, sadly it's a part of rallying that seems to be disappearing but you still come across the odd car :)

[Castrol R]

Only if you were born in the mid-80s :D Thankfully there were still enough old Escorts running it while I was still young, sadly it's a part of rallying that seems to be disappearing but you still come across the odd car :)


Sorry, I was born in '58, and much as I have had the privilege of driving the 911 Porsche, the modern day Ford Cosworth and the Subaru, my favourite is still the MK1 Escort. It has been said that anyone can look good in a MK1, that is probably true, even I managed it !!!

[Daniel]

Not in your opinion, but we are on page 3 and you are still writing !!!!!
Name one other person on this thread who agrees with you :)

[MrJan]

It has been said that anyone can look good in a MK1, that is probably true, even I managed it !!!

Indeed. Before I knew what the cars were called I referred to them as 'Nutter Cars', something tells me it ain't the same for kids that are growing up watching Group N Evos. And while many people don't like your boating thing I find it far preferable to a future of blooming soulless Mitsubushis.

[A.F.F.]

He owns Provdrive, Aston Martin, his own F1 team in 2009, and much more you know nothing about, Am I to assume you are questioning his success.

No, I merely asked how successfull he is since I didn't know who he was. f1 team in 2009 you say ?? I'm still not sure.

Anyway, you didn't answer to my first question.

[Castrol R]

Name one other person on this thread who agrees with you :)

Daniel, it would seem you think that this forum and your opinion is the end all and be all of WRC and motorsport as we know it.

Now it is time for a reality check, in the big motorsport machine there are the Big wheels, these are the guys that make motorsport happen, develop motorsport, they come up with new ideas and govern motorsport.

Then there are the smaller wheels who make things happen.

Then you have competitors who enhance the sport followed by the

Supporters who lubricate the wheels to ensure it moves on.

And then you the dust that the machine attracts who unfortuneately slows down the machine who simulates the true supporter of motorsport but is nothing of the sort.

Have your views and your opinions but don't halt the machine.

[DonJippo]

Daniel, it would seem you think that this forum and your opinion is the end all and be all of WRC and motorsport as we know it.

Now it is time for a reality check, in the big motorsport machine there are the Big wheels, these are the guys that make motorsport happen, develop motorsport, they come up with new ideas and govern motorsport.

Then there are the smaller wheels who make things happen.

Then you have competitors who enhance the sport followed by the

Supporters who lubricate the wheels to ensure it moves on.

And then you the dust that the machine attracts who unfortuneately slows down the machine who simulates the true supporter of motorsport but is nothing of the sort.

Have your views and your opinions but don't halt the machine.

New ideas are always welcome but you know what, this is a place to "Talk about the FIA World Rally Championship" not about water sport so like has been said this thread is in a wrong forum.

Personally I think what ever possibilities this thing had were lost at the moment when it was introduced to Mr Richards...

[PuddleJumper]

This may be a fun idea, but it's not relevant to the rallying forums. If you wish to continue discussing, you may do so in Chit Chat where this thread is now placed.