CMR2 ERC Arctic Rally [Archive]

tannat

5th January 2008, 16:26

No-not another CMR2 championship, but I often conduct "one-offs" during a season, so why not do so under the guise of the European Rally Championship? :D

The Arctic Rally is a round of the ERC traditonally held about the time of the Monte, so it's an appropriate title.

I typically do these one-offs as a warm up for either a new surface to be encountered on the WRC, or when we have a large break in the schedule. I encourage the sharing of set-ups as this is meant to be educational as well as competitive...

RALLY DETAILS

Stages: Sweden Mirrored Expert Mode (you'll be submitting 11 stage times)
Shakedown: Sweden Mirrored SS9

Route Details (PAY CLOSE ATTENTION)
Rally proceeds as follows:

Sweden Mirrored SS1-SS2
NO CUTTING ACROSS THE SNOW DRIFTS ON STAGE 2 (THAT MEANS YOU, JSO1985 :laugh: )
NO REPAIR OR SETUP CHANGES AFTER SS2

Sweden Mirrored SS3-SS4
SERVICE AND REPAIRS ALLOWED

Sweden Mirrored SS5-SS6
NO REPAIR OR SETUP CHANGES AFTER SS6

Sweden Mirrored SS7-SS8
SERVICE AND REPAIRS ALLOWED

Sweden Mirrored SS9-SS10
SERVICE AND REPAIRS ALLOWED

Sweden Mirrored SSS11

***The preceeding route will make for a more realistic rally (it's a bit silly to allow as many service stops as in the game). Consequences for damage will be much greater, so competitors will need to be fast, and safe in order to acheive a good finish*****

Times due Saturday, January 12 at midnight......

Have fun! :up:

tannat

5th January 2008, 16:29

Could everyone participating let me know what you are driving?
Thanks!

Tannat

Suzuki SX4 WRC

Rat

5th January 2008, 21:57

Heh, heh Tannat you Legend! Here you are again organising another great Rally!
I'll be using the Corolla, as TTE has asked us to test it for the coming Championship.

Pawprint

5th January 2008, 22:06

Rat - "TTE"?? :confused:

I shall be joining Rat in my new Carolla, hopefully earning some more valuable experience, all provided I can get some time together. Rules don't state it all has to be done on th same day, does it, as a 3 day rally?

Pawprint (I. Johnson and Co-Driver J. "F" Taylor)
RB Toyota Carolla
Hopefully

Rat

5th January 2008, 22:11

Pawprint, Yep I have been informed that we are still under the banner of TTE, BUT we are our own Team Red Bull. Let's Rally!

Pawprint

5th January 2008, 22:15

TTE our old sponsors, then?!

Yeah, hope I can make it!

Rat

5th January 2008, 22:46

We'll just be Red Bull Rally Team and if TTE wants in, we'll discuss it then, ok?
Get practising, we'll need it this year...

tannat

5th January 2008, 23:39

Rat - "TTE"?? :confused:

I shall be joining Rat in my new Carolla, hopefully earning some more valuable experience, all provided I can get some time together. Rules don't state it all has to be done on th same day, does it, as a 3 day rally?

Actually this MUST be done in one day as it is done in expert game mode, start to finish....

If you have to break it up let me know and I'll have to devise some penalty

Sorry, Pawprint...

dumb

6th January 2008, 11:06

Dumb
Ford Focus
team:Ford Lietuva

tannat

6th January 2008, 13:30

I should have said this earlier..

Rally is to be done in "single rally mode"

steve0302

6th January 2008, 15:42

steve0302
ARBracers
subaru impreza

Rat

7th January 2008, 10:33

should be finished time...my little one's back in hospital AGAIN, she's ok. just a check up for a coupla days.

tannat

8th January 2008, 19:19

should be finished time...my little one's back in hospital AGAIN, she's ok. just a check up for a coupla days.

Good to hear that, Rat.

I've been thinking of you guys....

tannat

8th January 2008, 19:21

Juha-I see you online..

You driving in this one?

How about setup sharing, guys? :D

Pawprint

9th January 2008, 16:33

Looks like I'll have time for this one after all, as our school is falling apart (It's a whopping 3 months old and the roof was blown off last night).

Juha

9th January 2008, 16:46

Juha-I see you online..

You driving in this one?
Yes ;)

tannat

9th January 2008, 17:54

Looks like I'll have time for this one after all, as our school is falling apart (It's a whopping 3 months old and the roof was blown off last night).

Is the UK importing American labourers? :laugh:

Pawprint

9th January 2008, 23:04

For the first time I can remember, w were on the national news on TV :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_7170000/newsid_7178900?redirect=7178900.stm&news=1&bbwm=1&bbram=1&nbram=1&nbwm=1

Sorry guys, bitty off-topic, lets get back.......

Rat

10th January 2008, 11:35

Pawprint, TTE don't want to know us. So it's up to us to show the others how to Rally this year, enjoy!

Rat

10th January 2008, 11:38

The Toyota went well during the shakedown testing..
best time we had was 1:28.18 and it was a personal best as well! It is more stable than the Focus and faster! We should do well this year.

Pawprint

10th January 2008, 12:19

I have to say that despite some dodgy moments in shakedown, I really enjoyed doing this rally!

My setup remained the same throughout, with the Gearbox at 25%, and the Break Power and Stearing at around 75%.

Has some hairy moments, especially on SS3 and SS5, but overall, I am very pleased with my first ever rally on the forum, and one of my first proper rally's on cmr2!

I don't know what went wrong on stages 7 and 8, but we just didn't have the pace, for a reason that I cannot fathom (Any Vicar of Dibley fans?), and were a bit off-form on stage 9 as well. 2 late pacenotes (seriously) sent us off on SS10, losing a lot more time than I would have imagined, but SS11 went all to plan, finnishing on a good note, although the time didn't reflect that.

So, enjoyed my first rally, and me and the Toyota are getting to know each other well. We probably didn't do too well, but hopefully a good enough start :)

For the WRC I will also have a new co-driver, so things may be different again there.

~Paws~

Juha

10th January 2008, 13:30

Shakedown:
1. 1.26.??
2. 1.25.32 - changed steering setup
3. 1.27.46 - new brake setup, not good
4. 1.24.85 - back to setup from second run
5. 1.23.98 - improved my driving

My record is 1.22. I don't like this stage, corners are too tight. :D

Juha

10th January 2008, 13:46

My setup remained the same throughout, with the Gearbox at 25%, and the Break Power and Stearing at around 75%.

Has some hairy moments, especially on SS3 and SS5, but overall, I am very pleased with my first ever rally on the forum, and one of my first proper rally's on cmr2!Quite normal, the only thing the brakes do at 75% is lock up. Try to use 25% brake power, it will go better. And biased towards the front. ;)

My setup was a medium short gearbox, very hard suspension, power and brakes biased towards the front and very weak braking power.

Pawprint

10th January 2008, 14:10

I tried with the power towards the front, but struggled.

Marcel Haenen

10th January 2008, 14:30

I use the brakes biased towards the rear to be able to brake the car into a corner. I normally have teh power ratio slightly towards the front to pull it out of the oversteer created by the braking when I hit thr throttle again.

Juha

10th January 2008, 22:46

I've tried the rear biased braking too, but I'm struggling with it. Most corners on this stage are slow and I always end up sideways into the advertising boards.

Quite embarrassing really...

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/297964/Med_s.jpg

Will give it another go tomorrow.

UKOG~Will

11th January 2008, 07:41

No rally for me...coursework :(

Rat

11th January 2008, 10:10

I have miss placed my times! Luckily I have sent them to Tannat for the results.
Anyway, we set some good times and a few PB's as well! Very surprising with a new car and Team. The spped and control was different to the Focus, we could just hold it wide open without it falling off the road! I think it was Stage 7 or 10 that had us in a huge, high speed spin, at 100mph+ it sure gets your attention. Surprisingly there was little damage throughout the Rally, just some bodywork and the Gearbox locking up a couple of times.
Good luck to all and let's see who has been out practicing during the off season...

Exhausted

11th January 2008, 15:11

I've tried the rear biased braking too, but I'm struggling with it. Most corners on this stage are slow and I always end up sideways into the advertising boards.

Quite embarrassing really...

Will give it another go tomorrow.

Love the picture Juha!! :D

tannat

11th January 2008, 16:12

1:27.34 lousy driving
1:27.80 see above
1:25.08 better
1:24.86
1:24.82

I think I could have the car set up a dozen different ways and achieve the same time. I varied front to rear drive split and suspension and it seemed to make little diff.

What did make a difference were my lines, keeping on the 'proper' track, and out of the drifts....

Juha

11th January 2008, 22:56

My rally raport:
1: went wide a few times, lost +- 4 seconds
2: head on encounter with future IKEA cupboard (should it be Koti Idea in Finland?)
3: good drive
4: started to lose concentration and drove like on stage 1
5: same thing
6: and again
7: decent drive, but could a few seconds better
8: worthless, back to old habits
9: only one mistake
10: good stage to end the day
11: not much to say

I can say this was a bad run, next time I won't be driving around midnight. :D

tannat

13th January 2008, 13:44

I know you guys are expecting results, but I'd like to request an extension.

My ill sleeping daughter had me up all night and I was unable to make the dash to family TV and PS1

If I am unable to get the rally done tonight I'll post results tomorrow and will miss this one.

Thanks!

Tannat

Exhausted

13th January 2008, 14:04

I don't mind at all!

Pawprint

13th January 2008, 16:16

No problem, Tannat.

tannat

13th January 2008, 23:20

Cheers..

I've opened no times yet...

Rat

14th January 2008, 10:53

take your time Tannat.

tannat

14th January 2008, 15:05

Up to first service fairly decent times. Very little repair work and no setup changes at first service. Made some blunders on SS6, and a setup change for the worse at the second service. Probably lost 5-7 seconds on the superspecial.

Abou tto start reporting times stage by stage :)

tannat

14th January 2008, 16:10

The ERC Arctic Rally was blessed with a healthy entry list of A1 priority drivers from the WRC, including a full factory effort from Toyota and Suzuki.

Here is the final entry list:

Juha...........Suzuki
Tannat........Suzuki
NOR............Ford
Exhausted....Ford
Pawprint......Toyota
Rat.............Toyota

tannat

14th January 2008, 16:44

This rally quickly became a battle of two groups of three drivers, and a close battle it was!!

Stage one went to the Ford of NOR, followed quite closely by the Suzuki of Tannat. Juha was a few clicks back, with the Suzki driver besting the Ford of Exhausted. I the batle of the Toyotas stage 1 went to Rat trailed by pawprint by 5 seconds.

1.....NOR..........FORD......2.58.59
2.....Tannat......Suzuki.....2:58.72
3.....Juha.........Suzuki.....3:03.65
4.....Exhausted..Ford.......3:05.66
5.....Rat...........Toyota....3:08.2x
6.....Pawprint....Toyota....3:13.36

tannat

14th January 2008, 16:51

Much the same as one with Tannat narrowly missing a stage win by less than a second to NOR. Juha again third as the Suzuki team demonsrate excellent pace in the snow :up:

Pawprint responds with a 4th placed time, followed by teammate rat with Exhausted a click behind in the Ford.

1.....NOR..........FORD......3.02.32
2.....Tannat......Suzuki.....3.03.28
3.....Juha.........Suzuki.....3:05.21
4.....Pawprint....Toyota....3:08.99
5.....Rat...........Toyota....3:10.4x
6.....Exhausted..Ford.......3.11.85

tannat

14th January 2008, 16:57

Suzuki takes its first stage win with Juha leading the pack. NOR leads Tannat to the stage end by less than 2/10ths of a second. Rat finishes 4th over 2 seconds ahead of Exhausted, with Pawprint bringing up the rear.

1....Juha.........Suzuki.....1.21.36
2....NOR..........FORD......1.23.75
3....Tannat......Suzuki.....1.23.90
4....Rat...........Toyota....1.26.3x
5....Exhausted..Ford........1.28.74
6....Pawprint....Toyota....1.34.12

tannat

14th January 2008, 18:09

NOR robs Tannat of yet another stage win edging the Suzuki driver by 28/100ths of a second. Juha follows closely in third ahead of the 4th placed Ford of Exhausted. Rat takes 5th ahead of teammate Pawprint in 6th.

1.....NOR..........Ford........2.52.04
2.....Tannat......Suzuki......2.52.38
3.....Juha.........Suzuki......2.54.64
4.....Exhausted..Ford.........2.59.85
5.....Rat...........Toyota.....3.03.4x
6.....Pawprint....Toyota.....3.04.13

tannat

14th January 2008, 18:15

Coming out of the first service NOR responds with a 3 second stage win over Tannat, again followed by teammate Juha in third. Exhausted narrowly takes 4th over Pawprint by less than a tenth, waith the Toyota of Rat 6th.

1.....NOR..........Ford.........3.12.84
2.....Tannat......Suzuki......3.15.94
3.....Juha.........Suzuki.......3.19.78
4.....Exhausted..Ford.........3.24.73
5.....Pawprint....Toyota......3.24.81
6.....Rat...........Toyota......3.28.7x

tannat

14th January 2008, 18:21

A second stage win for Juha, narrowly beating NOR by 74/100ths. Tannat follows third trailed by Pawprint, Rat and Exhausted in the rollercoaster battle for 4th-6th!

1.....Juha.........Suzuki.......3.06.20
2.....NOR..........Ford.........3.06.94
3.....Tannat......Suzuki.......3.10.10
4.....Pawprint....Toyota......3.13.05
5.....Rat...........Toyota......3.14.9x
6.....Exhausted..Ford..........3.15.38

tannat

14th January 2008, 18:30

NOR extends his overall lead winnign stage seven nearly 6 seconds in hand. Tannat and Juha take second and third followed by Exhausted, Rat and Pawprint.

1.....NOR..........Ford.........2.26.70
2.....Tannat......Suzuki......2.31.07
3.....Juha.........Suzuki.......2.32.66
4.....Exhausted..Ford.........2.37.04
5.....Rat...........Toyota......2.48.4x
6.....Pawprint....Toyota......2.51.21

tannat

14th January 2008, 18:33

NOR makes his intentions known with a 10 second stage win on the night stage :up:

Tannat in second is followed closely by Rat in the Toyota, less than 2 seconds in arrears. Juha is a close 4th, with Exhausted and Pawprint in the rear.

1.....NOR..........Ford.........2.56.47
2.....Tannat......Suzuki.......3.05.68
3.....Rat...........Toyota......3.07.48
4.....Juha.........Suzuki........3.07.92
5.....Exhausted..Ford..........3.12.29
6.....Pawprint....Toyota......3.18.16

tannat

14th January 2008, 18:37

Tannat finally wins a stage finishing 11/100ths ahead of NOR and 12/100ths ahead of his teammate! Exhausted is quite close just over half a second behind Tannat, with Rat finishing the stage with less than a tenth in hand over his teammate.

1.....Tannat......Suzuki.......1.24.79
2.....NOR..........Ford..........1.24.90
3.....Juha.........Suzuki........1.24.91
4.....Exhausted..Ford..........1.25.39
5.....Rat...........Toyota.......1.31.3x
6.....Pawprint....Toyota.......1.31.41

tannat

14th January 2008, 18:43

No slowing of pace from NOR on the final stage before the superspecial, taking quickest time from Tannat by nearly 2 seconds. Juha was another second adrift in the Suzuki, with Rat leading home Exhausted and Pawprint.

1.....NOR..........Ford.........3.19.57
2.....Tannat......Suzuki......3.21.42
3.....Juha.........Suzuki.......3.22.65
4.....Rat...........Toyota......3.28.07
5.....Exhausted..Ford.........3.30.66
6.....Pawprint....Toyota......3.33.76

tannat

14th January 2008, 18:48

Juha takes a third stage win on the superspecial over 2 seconds ahead of NOR. A fine third to rat on the stage with Exhausted taking 4th quickest. A blunder on Tannat's part sees him 5th quickest followed by Pawprint on the rally's conclusion.

1.....Juha.........Suzuki........1.40.31
2.....NOR..........Ford..........1.42.89
3.....Rat...........Toyota.......1.45.2x
4.....Exhausted..Ford..........1.47.06
5.....Tannat......Suzuki........1.47.42
6.....Pawprint....Toyota.......1.49.82

tannat

14th January 2008, 18:57

The overall rally victor is NOR winning by (approximately) 31 seconds over Tannat. Special mention for a remarkable time on the night stage :up:

The Suzuki battle came down to the wire, but it appears Tannat takes second by over 4.5 seconds over his teammate Juha. Exhausted takes a hard earned 4th over the Toyota of Rat by 13 seconds, with Pawprint trailing his teammate home 6th.

1...NOR................Ford
2...Tannat............Suzuki
3...Juha................Suzuki
4...Exhausted........Ford
5...Rat.................Toyota
6...Pawprint..........Toyota

Impressive finishes on several stages by all-GOOD RALLY GANG :beer:

tannat

14th January 2008, 19:04

In retrospect I think I could have made the finish a bit closer, but no way I could hang with NOR's time on the night stage..

Good rally, mate :up:

Looking forward to some tight battles this year.

As well as with my teammate-good finish Juha :D

And nice scrapping amongst Rat, Exhausted, and Pawprint :up:

Looks to be a good 2008 for the WRC.

Juha

14th January 2008, 19:18

In retrospect I think I could have made the finish a bit closer, but no way I could hang with NOR's time on the night stage..Neither could I. I could have challenged NOR with a bit more practice but I'm useless on night stages.

As well as with my teammate-good finish Juha :D Thanks, but I can do better. :D

NOR

14th January 2008, 19:44

Great result in this rally for us. We went quick, but without silly dings or crashes. Night stage was driving in the same speed as non-mirror. Good result for my teammate as well. Two Basses Ford Team Europe has done a lot of work on the cars during the winter pause, especially tested the snow setup. Thanks to all for interesting race and Tannat for managing.