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patnicholls
17th November 2007, 00:14
A couple of days ago, it was announced in Britain that the members of a website (www.myfootballclub.co.uk (http://www.myfootballclub.co.uk)) were to purchase a controlling stake in an English football (soccer) club, Ebbsfleet United. [for those in Britain, Ebbsfleet were known as Gravesend and Northfleet until this year, and are based on the eastern outskirts of London]. The deal is to be completed in the next few weeks. Here is a link to the story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/g/gravesend_and_northfleet/7089473.stm

The details of this are pretty interesting reading. Fifty thousand members of the website expressed an interest in buying the stake in a football club (none specifically mentioned), and there was a vote on which club to buy into and after removing the unrealistic options they went for Ebbsfleet. The members were then told that it was time for them to stump up some money or back out, and twenty thousand of them went for it with £35 each (about $80 AUD). The 20,000 people – including one of my mates who lives over 200 miles from where the team is based - of them have therefore spent £700,000 ($1.61m AUD) between them which gives the fans a 51% stake in the club. It is anticipated that the fans will be asked for more money year-on-year, so the initial payment is not a one-off. However, as a stakeholder the fans now have the deciding say in all major club decisions, transfers [which are big news much like in motor racing], and even team selection – effectively taking some of the manager's powers away.

For those of you not in Britain, I should mention a bit about football (soccer) and who Ebbsfleet United are. Football is the most popular sport in Britain, which isn't the same elsewhere. We get an enormous amount of press coverage in our media, and the top players are able to attract massive salaries. Over the past 15 years the English Premiership has opened its doors to limitless numbers of foreign superstars, and the game is ruled by TV money from all the coverage as it's become kind of an international superleague. The top footballers in England can earn about £130,000 (about $300,000 AUD) per WEEK. The premiership consists of 20 teams, and many of the players from there will earn at least half the amount just mentioned per week. To compare with another current topic of discussion, Shakey Byrne and Tom Sykes were reportedly offered £70,000 and £35,000 a YEAR respectively by Paul Bird to remain with his team in British Superbikes. That shows just how much money is going around in football in the UK.

Admittedly football is like everything money-wise; i.e the fat cats at the top have it all and the majority below them have comparatively little with the gap seemingly getting wider as time passes. The English Football League consists of four divisions totalling 92 teams, with lower divisions after that stretching right down to complete amateurs and pub teams. Ebbsfleet are just below the auspices of the Football League – as I write they're a close 9th in the division below, so 101st best club in the country if you will. Players in that division could be paid about £500 a week at the better teams (http://en.allexperts.com/q/Professional-Soccer-European-1848/Football-wages.htm), so not small potatoes but a massive drop down from Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal & Chelsea etc. About 1,000 people turn up to watch Ebbsfleet play their home matches every two weeks. People who follow football would know the team name, but not a great deal about the club and most likely never see a match on TV.

So why have I just written four fairly hefty paragraphs about football?

Well, it makes you think...if 20,000 people – nearly all of whom only have a minimal level of knowledge of the club in question - are willing to put up £700,000 between them to purchase half a small football club, could the same work in racing? Obviously not for a big team, but what about a national Superstock team or something? I read an advert in Motorcycle Racer magazine at the start of this season for places in the European Superstock 600 championship costing about £18,000. National championships would surely be less, with much-reduced travelling for the team. Motorsport clearly has much less coverage in Britain than football (as demonstrated above), but with the amounts involved and complexity being less, surely it could be a possibility?

[I am going to dig out some BSB programmes out soon which have outline costs for the support classes in them, to give a bit more quantifying of things]

fatman
17th November 2007, 04:11
Very interesting indeed. With enough organization and numbers of people anything is indeed possible.

It's hard to say if it could be done for racing. It's seems it would be easier to do with something popular on a national level but more difficult for international sporting leagues. I could see it happening in Canada with a hockey team because hockey is to us what football is to the English.

I would buy into a 125, 250 or MotoGP team but I get no race coverage of any other motorbike league where i am from.

mx311
20th November 2007, 05:51
Interesting post Pat but from my experiences it would be very difficult for a group of fans to own a racing team simply because of the amount of behind the scenes work involved. Now with a football team the club itself is run by a board usually with a manager taking care of the on-field stuff. A race team needs an owner to flot the dough and a team manager to run the show who is free to do what he/she sees fit, so other than supplying the money I'm not sure what the fan group would actually do.

A better bet would be for a group of fans to pool their money together to sponsor a team, or even better a rider. Let's take British Superstock as an example. A group of fans could pool their money together and sponsor a young up and comer and raise the cash he needs to get himself onto a top level team. Finding out how much a rider needs is quite simple and with sponsorship dollars hard to come by the rider would surely love the help.

leopard
20th November 2007, 07:55
I have time free now to read the long post of Pat after re-appearance of MX ;)
Please try to be here and write more often.

Whenever any categories of sport would never be able to match the popularity of soccer. I have been familiar with soccer, watching and playing it since I was kid, while I knew motorsport not such long before now.

I did like and enjoy watching soccer, but now for the better preferences I don't think I will sacrifice my time of watching motogp or F1 for soccer. Soccer is sport involving great number of people and thus automatically hold biggest fans of spectator and enhance the rating and value of money circulated in it.

You deserve of being proudly happy as luckily the premier English league has the highest rating among any world league that make the fans get addicted in. Early this year we were in dispute of losing the broadcast license to watch it free as it was in command of payable TV.

For me, there is no sport give such pleasure of intense the whole time of it running like racing.

patnicholls
20th November 2007, 13:09
Interesting post Pat but from my experiences it would be very difficult for a group of fans to own a racing team simply because of the amount of behind the scenes work involved. Now with a football team the club itself is run by a board usually with a manager taking care of the on-field stuff. A race team needs an owner to flot the dough and a team manager to run the show who is free to do what he/she sees fit, so other than supplying the money I'm not sure what the fan group would actually do.

A better bet would be for a group of fans to pool their money together to sponsor a team, or even better a rider. Let's take British Superstock as an example. A group of fans could pool their money together and sponsor a young up and comer and raise the cash he needs to get himself onto a top level team. Finding out how much a rider needs is quite simple and with sponsorship dollars hard to come by the rider would surely love the help.

To be honest, that's kind of what I meant and also what's basically happening with the football club I mentioned (my understanding is that there will be votes on stuff, but virtually all the day-to-day stuff will remain the same).

MrJan
20th November 2007, 20:42
I'm hoping it all goes tits up at Ebbsfleet. Not to prove that such a scheme can't work or because I wish ill of those involved in it but largely (when I say largely I mean completely ;) ) because my team Exeter City have to play them in February and the 3 points would be nice :D

Talking of Exeter, the club was turned around by the Supporters Trust, A group of fans who have invested time and money into the club as opposed to randoms as with Ebbsfleet (20,000? They probably struggle to get 2,000 on a Saturday). With Exeter there was some shady goings in the background and two guys stole a load of money and put the club in a very bad position. The trust sponsored the team for a few years and thanks to a cup tie with Man U (with whom we drew 0-0 :bounce: ) the club managed to become reportedely debt free. Things were really looking up when the club reached the playoff final in Wembley last year but I don't want to bore people with details ;)

On another point there is a team in Israel (I think) which is managed by fans. A bloke spends the game on the internet and fans who are online will tell him to make changes which he them implements. This adds another point, can you imagine a MotoGP team having their riders selected by some nutters on some internet forum?

maxu05
20th November 2007, 21:05
I think our forum could manage to scrape up enough for a 6 pack for the first round at least :laugh:

MrJan
20th November 2007, 22:13
Dibs on a cold one :D