European Rally Championship 2008

[PLuto]

I think we can add this thread. ERC 2008 will have 10 events again, rules will be almost the same as in 2007.

[PLuto]

Antonín Tlusťák today revealed (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=5511) new car for next season. It is Citroen C2 S1600 from PH Sport and Tlustak will do about 8 rounds of ERC and some in Czech championship.

Link to article (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=5511)

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_a2e7e7909925f3cb0cfb9f7912a48f71.jpg

[PLuto]

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_bfee57dfd1490a729ec6ec6575c637d8.jpg

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Antonín Tlusťák today revealed (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=5511) new car for next season. It is Citroen C2 S1600 from PH Sport and Tlustak will do about 8 rounds of ERC and some in Czech championship.

Link to article (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=5511)

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_a2e7e7909925f3cb0cfb9f7912a48f71.jpg

Is Madeira on his plans for 2008 ? ;)

[PLuto]

]Is Madeira on his plans for 2008 ? ;)

Because calendar isnt (officially) known yet, his program isnt "ready". But he would like to start in eight of ten rounds of ERC.

[Jarek Z]

I think it's too early to speak about plans for 2008, but I know that Corrado Fontana is thinking to repeat his ERC program next year. He is a nice fellow so good luck to him! ;)

[dumb]

So.Unofficial calendar of ERC 2008.Does anybodie know it?

[Andrey]

Championnat d'Europe des Rallyes de la FIA
FIA European Rally Championship
(10 épreuves / events)
Période / Period Pays / Country Nom de l'épreuve / Event name
18 - 20/04 I Rallye Mille Miglia
22 - 24/05 HR 35. Croatia Delta Rally
13 - 15/06 PL 65 Rally Poland
27 - 29/06 B Belgium Ypres Westhoek Rally
11 - 13/07 BG Bulgaria Rally
31/07 - 02/08 P Rally Vinho da Madeira
22 - 24/08 CZ Barum rally Zlin
05 - 07/09 TR Fiat Rally
26 - 28/09 GR 33 HALKIDIKI Rally
17 - 19/10 F Rallye d'Antibes

[Karbonyl]

Is Turkish Fiat Rally on gravel again or is it going back on tarmac?

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Is Turkish Fiat Rally on gravel again or is it going back on tarmac?
According to Autosport.cz it will be held on Tarmac..

[Mirek]

Madeira... Karbonyl is that one who wrote that artical on Autosport :D

[[Madeira-Rally]]

]Madeira... Karbonyl is that one who wrote that artical on Autosport :D

:D :D :D :D

[Eyvind]

Dimitar Iliev with a GT3 in 2008?

Someone can translate this text?
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/show.php?id=7386

[Tom206wrc]

In a Ferrari F430 ??? :eek:

[PLuto]

Dimitar Iliev will start in circuit races - FIA GT3 with Ferrari F340 GT3. He will also do ERC, he will miss in bulgarian championship.

[jure dvorsek]

One question for all Italian members on this forum:does anybody knows if Peugeot Italia will start a new trophe P207 RC already in season 2008 or they will run old P206 RC?

[Tom206wrc]

Dimitar Iliev will start in circuit races - FIA GT3 with Ferrari F340 GT3. He will also do ERC, he will miss in bulgarian championship.




I was expecting/hoping in rally... :mark:



EDIT: OK I didn't read you also wrote he will run in ERC :p :

[PLuto]

I was expecting/hoping in rally... :mark:



EDIT: OK I didn't read you also wrote he will run in ERC :p :

Your hands were faster than eyes :wave:

[atsiotras79]

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/show.php?id=7410

Does this article mention anything about Orsak and ERC?

[Karbonyl]

No, he will run only czech and slovak rallys - most of them belong to FIA Zone Central Europe Trophy.

[atsiotras79]

No, he will run only czech and slovak rallys - most of them belong to FIA Zone Central Europe Trophy.

Thanks Karbonyl.

[Jarek Z]

Michal Solowow announced his rally program for 2008. He will drive:
- all European Championship rallies except for Madeira
- all Polish Championship rallies
- 2-3 other international rallies
His car will be the same as this year - Fiat Punto Super 2000.

[txl]

Quite strange for me is that in the regulations (http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/1F07D48DF2867C41C12573AE0053E631/$FILE/CHAMPIONNAT%20D'EUROPE%202008.pdf?Openelement) for the "FIA EUROPEAN RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP" there is nothing about eligible cars :confused:

According to this document

The Championship is governed by the FIA
International Sporting Code and its appendices (the
Code), the Rally General Prescriptions (the Prescriptions)
and the present Sporting Regulations specific to the
Championship.
So in some of these should be defined eligible cars for the championship. I haven't looked up in the International Sporting Code but I doubt that it is there. In the present there is nothing. In the General Prescriptions there are eligible cars for the FIA championships and WRC are allowed and probably there should be additional restrictions. So what cars are allowed in the 2008 ERC and where are the regulations about it?

[Tom206wrc]

Michal Solowow announced his rally program for 2008. He will drive:
- all European Championship rallies except for Madeira
- all Polish Championship rallies
- 2-3 other international rallies
His car will be the same as this year - Fiat Punto Super 2000.



Great program ;) he should be rich :D

Tons of good drivers here in France would like such programs with good car but don't get necessary budgets :mark:

[Mirek]

Budget is the least problem of Solowow :)

[mousti]

]Budget is the least problem of Solowow :)
Yes, that's very true as you see that:http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/10/07billionaires_Michal-Solowow_C72A.html (http://http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/10/07billionaires_Michal-Solowow_C72A.html)

[PLuto]

urabus-denoS2000 wrote: This is a topic about the ERC.
The ERC was reborn last year.It is not as strong as the IRC,but is stronger than the last 10 years.Lots of competition and competitive cars.
So far we have Tlustak(C2 S1600),Solowow(punto s2000) and Illiev.
There are some rumors that he is driving an Punto s2000.He was supposed to drive it last year,but he didnt. He will also compete in the FIA GT championship.
Any more news?

[PLuto]

Tom206wrc wrote: From what I've read on another forum Simon Jean-Joseph could enter ERC(or IRC ??)with an S2000 or stays with Citroën if fails to bring budget for such car... :confused:

[urabus-denoS2000]

I hope its ERC. I was really enyoing watching him in action at the INA Delta Rally

[Tom206wrc]

http://rallyonline.pl/index.php?1&modex=pnews&&s=14629


ERC+IRC+CIR, tough 2008 program for Rossetti if it's true :eek:

[Mirek]

Not exactly, he want's to drive joined ERC and IRC events. CIR is sure.

[PLuto]

http://rallyonline.pl/index.php?1&modex=pnews&&s=14629


ERC+IRC+CIR, tough 2008 program for Rossetti if it's true :eek:

Yes, it is translation of original czech version http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=5841 ;)

[Tom206wrc]

]Not exactly, he want's to drive joined ERC and IRC events. CIR is sure.



OK ;)

[Jarek Z]

That's great news for Rossetti. He's a great driver and I wish him all the best in the future. I remember him very well from the days when he was driving Super 1600 cars, like here:
http://www.rallyonline.pl/ft.php?idg=1428&pg_[go]=6

But... why doesn't he start his season in Turkey? According to Autoklub.pl, after the changes in ERC and IRC calendars, Istanbul Rally will start both championships in April. Details (in Polish) here:
http://www.autoklub.pl/18544,news.html

[Karbonyl]

Original article (again :-) ) at autosport.cz (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=5859). This information is fresh just a few hours, but Rossetti's plans were released already a few days ago. Maybe his program will change, who knows...

[Karbonyl]

..

[Tom206wrc]

Original article (again :-) ) at autosport.cz (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=5859). This information is fresh just a few hours, but Rossetti's plans were released already a few days ago. Maybe his program will change, who knows...




Where have you read his plans were official a few days ago ??? :confused:

I've read nothing a press release about Rossetti yet :mark:

Even italian websites don't write anything about him...

[Karbonyl]

Exclusive report for http://www.autosport.cz :)

http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=5841

[Tom206wrc]

But on italian site Racingworld they write only CIR was confirmed for him until now !! :mark:

[Mirek]

Tom, Luca told it to Pluto himself.

[Tom206wrc]

OK so italian website is wrong then :)

[PLuto]

So, we can publish plans of Antonin Tlustak for this season:

ERC: Millge Miglia, Delta, Ypres, Bulgaria, Barum, Antibes
IRC: Ypres, Barum, Sanremo, Asturias, Valais

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_bfee57dfd1490a729ec6ec6575c637d8.jpg

Preseason presentation (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=5511)

[Raven]

Only tarmac :(

[Karbonyl]

Yeah, he didn't buy gravel equipment for his C2 ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Anyway an S1600 is stronger on tarmac than on gravel :p :

I wonder if Tlustak C2 is the same level as SJJ one ??? :confused:

[Karbonyl]

Definitely isn't :)

[Filip]

Great program for him! :D
I hope he finishes Delta this year. ;)

[urabus-denoS2000]

Very nice program.
BTW: Filip what happened to him last year?I remember seeing him on the first plesivica stage

[Filip]

Very nice program.
BTW: Filip what happened to him last year?I remember seeing him on the first plesivica stage

They stopped after exiting highway while they were going to the start of Budinjak, I think it was gearbox. :(

[atsiotras79]

Hope he changes his mind and get some gravel gear too and see him in the gravel rallies too!

[Mirek]

Tlustak doesn't have gravel package for C2, so not...

[urabus-denoS2000]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/index.php?vypisVse=detail&id=4487

Travaglia plans on starting the ERC and IRC

[Mirek]

urabus-denoS2000: It is already in IRC team and drivers thread. Original article on http://www.autosport.cz since Renato phoned it to Pluto himself ;)

[Jarek Z]

Thanks for the information, Urabus! Great news! Travaglia is one of my favourite drivers, so I hope this season he will have more luck than last year! Good luck!
http://www.rallyonline.pl/ft.php?idg=2523&pg_[go]=8

[urabus-denoS2000]

Yes he wont have those evo 9 homologation problems this year.
He really had a bad season and it wasnt his falt.

[dime3]

Yes he wont have those evo 9 homologation problems this year.
He really had a bad season and it wasnt his falt.
True, unfortunately but problems are part of the sport. Bad seasons are what make the good ones great :D

[HaCo]

I've read somewhere Corrado Fontana will drive full ERC, is it true and with what car as he is quite connected to GRIFONE maybe a Toyota?

[urabus-denoS2000]

I meant those evo 7-9 chassis problems.If anyone doesnt understand this I will explain because it was a big problem at the INA Delta Croatia rally so I know about it.
But its true,dime3,they are a part of the sport

[Mirek]

urabus-denoS2000: But on Madeira it wasn't a homologation issue like most of Evo problems ;)

[PJRevs]

Thats true. On INA Rally evo 9 made from 7 and 8 have problem. On Madeira Travaglia was in different situation. He is great driver, in new season he have chance to fight back in legal car.

[urabus-denoS2000]

The thing about that evo 7-9 story is that they basically evolve the evo 7 into an evo 9.
As we all know the Lancer Evo model is divide into 3 GENERATIONS
1. evo I-III
2.evo IV-VI
3.evo VII-IX

Every model in one generation has the same shell.
The problem is that they take an evo 7 shell , which is about 70 kg lighter than the evo 9 shell , and they put evo 9 parts on it .
By combining these parts you get a dirty evo 9 which is as heavy without a codriver as an clean evo 9 with a codriver!!!The evo 9 shell is heavier because it is more rigid.
This process is not allowed by FIA

[urabus-denoS2000]

Most of the tuners dont do that to save weight , but simply to save some money

[Madeira]

The organizers of Ypres rally are already working in the next edition, and one of the news is a SS with 42 Km... :eek:

[Jarek Z]

Here is the newly launched official website of the European Championship.
http://www.rally-erc.com

I see that this year the first round is Istanbul Rally in Turkey, that will be held on gravel.

[fdebruyne]

The organizers of Ypres rally are already working in the next edition, and one of the news is a SS with 42 Km... :eek:

The 42+ km stage (almost 43) was already drawn since september '07 and i can ensure you its a very compact one.. It lays in an area of 8,5km x 6km. Even most of the stages changed, actually only 3 of the 9 stages are the same.

[CricketsFilm]

We will be present in all 10 races of the Championship....

[atsiotras79]

We will be present in all 10 races of the Championship....

That's great news! Finally you will come to Greece!

[Jarek Z]

We will be present in all 10 races of the Championship....

Does that mean Corrado started to like gravel? ;)
Thanks for the news and good luck guys!

Do you continue with the Punto S2000 program?

[atsiotras79]

Does that mean Corrado started to like gravel? ;)
Do you continue with the Punto S2000 program?

+1

[urabus-denoS2000]

We already know this but now a little more detailed:
Michal Solowow is doing every round of the ERC except Madeira.
He will be doing all 9 rallies of the Polish Championship and he could end his season with the Wales Rally GB.

http://beta.superspecial.si/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=381&Itemid=208

[PLuto]

And the same article in english: http://www.rally-erc.com/article.php?cont=91 :rolleyes:

[Raven]

I lost any hope he can actually fight for good results. It looks he achieved his highest level already, so he can count only for bad luck of his top rivals :(

[Jarek Z]

If anybody is interested, here you can find some wallpapers from Solowow's rallies from last year:
http://www.cersanitrally.pl/index1.php/Strony/Pokaz/tapety

[CricketsFilm]

Does that mean Corrado started to like gravel? ;)
Thanks for the news and good luck guys!

Do you continue with the Punto S2000 program?

Corrado will drives in 8 races of ERC 2008 with Punto "Grifone", He works for drive in another 2 races (Turkye and Poland).... ... but I will present to all ERC with or without Corrado.... :)
Do you have any news about drivers registered to ERC 2008?

[PLuto]

It would usefull if you would put a very short resume in eglish in the bottom of the article... :)

Krum Donchev will start in six rounds of ERC. More here: http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=6186



P.S. HaCo and Mirek, are you satisfied?

[dj_masch_hr]

new stages will be added to croatia rally :)

[Jarek Z]

A few photos from Michal Solowow's test session before Istanbul Rally:
http://www.cersanitrally.pl/index1.php/Aktualnosci/Szczegoly/126

[Jarek Z]

Another driver that wants to compete in ERC this year is Italian Giovanni Manfrinato:
http://www.rallyonline.pl/ft.php?idg=1428&pg_[go]=8

Tomasz Czopik said he wants to drive Mille Miglia Rally (his favourite event in ERC), but he doesn't have budget for the whole championship.

[PLuto]

Entry list to ERC: http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=6309

[Tom206wrc]

Strange we find IRC names that won't run ERC to my knowledge(Rossetti, Kresta, Kopecky, Basso,...) :confused:

[PLuto]

Strange we find IRC names that won't run ERC to my knowledge(Rossetti, Kresta, Kopecky, Basso,...) :confused:

Rossetti will drive primary ERC.

[PLuto]

Strange we find IRC names that won't run ERC to my knowledge(Rossetti, Kresta, Kopecky, Basso,...) :confused:

I think, that Kopecky will start ERC and IRC and will continue on championship, where he will have better chance to make a good result :)

[atsiotras79]

Marked as X are the events that the drivers declared I suppose!

Who is the driver with blanc from Italy?

Vosa'hlo with what car?

Kresta????????????????????????????????????
I am surprised that our Czech members did not get that info earlier!!!!

[Mirek]

The X marked are not obligatory.

We didn't know about Kresta and we also don't know what that means...

[atsiotras79]

I wrote that in a good way Mirek!
You always inform us really really well about Czech rallyworld!
I am surprised Kresta maintained it a secret!
I am sorry if you got that wrong!

[Mirek]

No, I don't ;) :) But I'm realy confused by that...

[Madeira]

Two notes:
Jan Kopecky has not X marked for Istanbul rally...

Corrado Fonatana has X marked for Istanbul, and as you know won't be there..

[Mirek]

Madeira, as I said before, those markers are not obligatory. It is only informative from the question-form ;)

[Madeira]

]Madeira, as I said before, those markers are not obligatory. It is only informative from the question-form ;)

Thank's Mirek I've read before. ;)

[Filip]

It's great if this list is true, so many good drivers coming to Croatia, I still don't believe it. :confused: :)

[PLuto]

Kresta????????????????????????????????????
I am surprised that our Czech members did not get that info earlier!!!!

I know about it for one month. But he will start only on Barum :mad:

[urabus-denoS2000]

It's great if this list is true, so many good drivers coming to Croatia, I still don't believe it. :confused: :)

Yes ,imagine Kresta and Rosetti...
Interesting fact:it says Sebalj will not drive the Delta rally,when we all know he will AND he confirmed on TV that his ERC campaign will begin in the Delta.

[atsiotras79]

I know about it for one month. But he will start only on Barum :mad:

So, he had plans to follow ERC or IRC and now he will not for some reason?

[urabus-denoS2000]

The best Croatian rally driver Juraj Šebalj announced his plans for the ERC this season:

1.Croatia Delta Rally (HR)
2.Belgium Ypres Westhoek Rally (B)
3.Bulgaria Rally (BG)
4.Barum Rally Zlin (CZ)
5.Halkidiki Rally (GR)
6.Rallye Antibes (F)

[wwbroe]

The best Croatian rally driver Juraj Šebalj announced his plans for the ERC this season:

1.Croatia Delta Rally (HR)
2.Belgium Ypres Westhoek Rally (B)
3.Bulgaria Rally (BG)
4.Barum Rally Zlin (CZ)
5.Halkidiki Rally (GR)
6.Rallye Antibes (F)

What car will he be driving? Is he any good?

[Filip]

Probably Evo IX from Pacotti Motorsport as last year. Last year he was fast in Croatia, but on other races he wasn't so good, but I hope that will change this year. :)

[urabus-denoS2000]

Personally I think he could be fast.He won the Delta rally last year

[Tom206wrc]

So Michal Solowow in his 207 under the Kronos colours at 1000 Miglia, next ERC round ??? :confused:

[[Madeira-Rally]]

So Michal Solowow in his 207 under the Kronos colours at 1000 Miglia, next ERC round ??? :confused:

I don't think Mr. Solowow wil run under Kronos colours... I think he will run with a 207 from Kronos with colors of Cersanit Rally Team...

[Tom206wrc]

Ok ;)

[desmosedici]

New list on-line http://www.rally-erc.com/page.php?cont=34; the X seems to be casual.
Aghini and Longhi got X for Turkey and not for Italy :confused:

[urabus-denoS2000]

Still a lot of weird things:

1)Travaglia ,Fischer and Czopik are registered but have no rallies with an X
2)A registered codriver,but with no driver (Claudio Condotta)
3)Kopecky not X on Turkey althouht he was there
4)Šebalj is said to miss the Croatia rally(his home event,which he won 3 times in the last 4 years) and his programme is completely different
5)As desmosedici said Aghini anh Longhi are said to miss Italy

And I am sure there are more mistakes.

BTW:Who is Vosahlo?Is he any good?

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Claudio Condotta is the co-driver of Giovanni Manfrinato...

[urabus-denoS2000]

]Claudio Condotta is the co-driver of Giovanni Manfrinato...
Then why are they entered separately and why do they have different rallies ticked?

[Mirek]

Urabus: Don't think about those X. Those are only a result of a questionaire which is not obligatory and basicly it doesn't matter what is in it.

[desmosedici]

]Urabus: Don't think about those X. Those are only a result of a questionaire which is not obligatory and basicly it doesn't matter what is in it.

Then maybe Longhi and Aghini were added just because they'll take part in the 1000 Miglia?

[Mirek]

Yes, it is possible. But I can't say...

[Filip]

I'm sure only that those X-s made a big confusion, so I don't bother about them.

[Wim_Impreza]

BTW:Who is Vosahlo?Is he any good?

He is not that good. It is a good gentlemen-driver, let me say it so.

Vosahlo is a Frenchman who was 7th in ERC Rallye d'Antibes 2007.

[Mirek]

He is interesting by his name because the name is Czech but he isn't :)

[Madeira]

Then maybe Longhi and Aghini were added just because they'll take part in the 1000 Miglia?

But it is a little bit strange to make the register in the championship whose objective is to run in one single rally like the 1000 Miglia...

[PJRevs]

All of them register in ERC for better start numbers (Kopecky and Kresta in Barum, Italians on 1000 Miglia). And FIA say that U must register in 6 rallyes in ERC. Only register, if you dont want to start thats OK.

[wwbroe]

What kind of a crazy rule is this, i think if you register you should at least take the start of the event. :mad:

[Mirek]

PJRevs: You need need not to register to 6 rallys but to drive 6 rallys to be in final ERC results. There is no event registration, only ERC registration.

And in Kresta's case You're right but in Kopecký's not ;) He will do at least the joint IRC/ERC events. And in fact he had FIA B even without ERC registration ;)

[Madeira]

yes that's the point, the best positions on the start list will be given according priority list of Fia Drivers and not by the registration in the championship,or this register will allow the driver appears on that list? :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

Entrylist of Rally 1000 Miglia available !!! :bounce:

http://www.rally1000miglia.it/pdf/Elenco%20iscritti%20%28definitivo%29.pdf


Michal Solowow on the entry with Grande Punto :confused:

[Mirek]

Probably he entered the event a long time a go. It is not a problem to swich the car of the same class ;)

I'm surprised by the numbers... as Ucci with 23...

[Madeira]

]
I'm surprised by the numbers... as Ucci with 23...

It means that Paolo Andreucci did not want to buy a better place on the start list spending 900€, 450€ for him and 450 for his co-driver... :cool:

[wwbroe]

The entry list looks great, a lot of S2000 cars, so we can compare them again with best Gr.N drivers like Andreucci and Longhi? Does anybody know wich car Dalavilla is using (Pug S2000), i mean where is it coming from? :p

[urabus-denoS2000]

The entry list looks great, a lot of S2000 cars, so we can compare them again with best Gr.N drivers like Andreucci and Longhi? Does anybody know wich car Dalavilla is using (Pug S2000), i mean where is it coming from? :p

I think its Munaretto.

[wwbroe]

I think its Munaretto.

Ok, thank you for the info Urabus, is this team any good?

[urabus-denoS2000]

Ok, thank you for the info Urabus, is this team any good?

Well,I think he makes pretty good cars.
Munaretto is the tuner ,I think that the team running Munarettos cars is Power car team.
He has been making preety fast Clio S1600s and he is known for being a official Renault tuner.Now he also does 207s (Pericos car is also Munarettos,I think he also services Porros Focus 06).
If you have looked at any photos from Italian rallies,which you probably did,almost every one of those white-green painted Clios S1600 (there are a lot of them) are his cars.Those are his colors.

His site:

http://www.munarettogroup.com/

[wwbroe]

[quote="urabus-denoS2000"]Well,I think he makes pretty good cars.
Munaretto is the tuner ,I think that the team running Munarettos cars is Power car team.
He has been making preety fast Clio S1600s and he is known for being a official Renault tuner.Now he also does 207s (Pericos car is also Munarettos,I think he also services Porros Focus 06).
If you have looked at any photos from Italian rallies,which you probably did,almost every one of those white-green painted Clios S1600 (there are a lot of them) are his cars.Those are his colors.

Thank you Urabus for this valuable information. ;)

[urabus-denoS2000]

Thank you Urabus for this valuable information. ;)

No problem ;) ;) ;)

[PJRevs]

]PJRevs: You need need not to register to 6 rallys but to drive 6 rallys to be in final ERC results. There is no event registration, only ERC registration.

And in Kresta's case You're right but in Kopecký's not ;) He will do at least the joint IRC/ERC events. And in fact he had FIA B even without ERC registration ;)

OK. But You dont understood me completly. You mast register 6 event in ERC and you dont need to start to all of them. If U have battle for domestic championship and this rally is count for ERC and IRC, first came drivers with FIA B, than others from IRC and ERC list and than domestic drivers, right? Thats why Ucci have number 23 and Aghini and Longhi are in the top.

[Jarek Z]

All of them register in ERC for better start numbers (Kopecky and Kresta in Barum, Italians on 1000 Miglia).

How stupid is that? Is the starting number so important on a tarmac rally? Why do they want to pay only to be running at the front?

In my opinion, you don't need to pay to be at the front. All you have to do is drive flat out on the first leg and you will start first on the next day! Isn't that easy? :D

[Mirek]

No, it isn't. There is much more dirt on stage later and also there is big risk of some cancelled stages.

[urabus-denoS2000]

It is now unfortunately almost sure that Dimitar Illiev will not compete in the ERC this year.
The reasons are financial.Illiev lost his main sponsor USAG and his Evo 9 was sent back to MRT in Italy.Illiev has now prepared a new car from his workshop and will probably compete in the Bulgarian championship.He will start at Rally Trajanovi Vrata.
Here is the article with some photos of the new car:
http://www.automagazin.co.yu/sport.php?tip=wrc&v=2008-04-11%2000:50:06&n=Rally%20Bulgaria%20–%20Dimitar%20Iliev%20bez%20g lavnog%20sponzora

[wwbroe]

It is now unfortunately almost sure that Dimitar Illiev will not compete in the ERC this year.
The reasons are financial.Illiev lost his main sponsor USAG and his Evo 9 was sent back to MRT in Italy.Illiev has now prepared a new car from his workshop and will probably compete in the Bulgarian championship.He will start at Rally Trajanovi Vrata.
Here is the article with some photos of the new car:
http://www.automagazin.co.yu/sport.php?tip=wrc&v=2008-04-11%2000:50:06&n=Rally%20Bulgaria%20–%20Dimitar%20Iliev%20bez%20g lavnog%20sponzora


Hey Urabus, the site doesn't show me the images, and it is very slow. I have the idea that they write someting about GT3, what do they mean? (Porsche?). Excuse me but my Hungarian is not so good :D :D

[urabus-denoS2000]

Hey Urabus, the site doesn't show me the images, and it is very slow. I have the idea that they write someting about GT3, what do they mean? (Porsche?). Excuse me but my Hungarian is not so good :D :D

Dont know what the problem is.
About GT3: Illiev will compete in the GT3 series this year

Thats not Hungarian,thats a Serbian website...

[wwbroe]

Dont know what the problem is.
About GT3: Illiev will compete in the GT3 series this year

Thats not Hungarian,thats a Serbian website...

Ok, thanks, but for me Serbian or Hungarian is the same, i'm not capable of making anything decent out of this languages. :D

[urabus-denoS2000]

Ok, thanks, but for me Serbian or Hungarian is the same, i'm not capable of making anything decent out of this languages. :D

Yeah,I understand.Im sure it would be the same for me with Belgian or Dutch. ;)
If you cant see the photos...
IRT on the engine bonnet stands for the new Illiev Rally Team.

http://www.automagazin.co.yu/slike/vesti/20080411005006_photo_0.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Any idea idea of when entrylist of Rally Bulgaria will be published, and any idea of the participants ??? :confused:

Will most of the drivers of last year be all present ???

http://www.rallybulgaria.com

[arnaudov]

Entry list - tomorrow...... ;)

Foreigner competitors:
1. Corrado Fontana - FIAT Punto S2000
2. Volkan Isik - FIAT Punto S2000
3. Renato Travaglia - FIAT Punto S2000
4. Luca Betti - Peugeot 207 S2000
5. Michal Solowow Peugeot 207 S2000
6. Daniel Fischer- Ford Fiesta ST
7. Chrisos Konstantinou - Peugeot 206 S1600
8. Dan Girtofan -Subaru Impreza N 14
9. Srđan Petrović - Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8
10. Vladica Rabrenović - Renault Clio N3
11. Miodrag Šarac - VW Polo 1.4 16V

[HaCo]

Wow, that is a very nice entrylist!!!

[Tom206wrc]

Thanks Arnaudov ;)

[Jarek Z]

I found some really nice videos from ERC on Solowow's website. Some onboards and some "outboards" ;)

For example, a very nice video from Croatia:
http://www.cersanitrally.pl/data/Pliki/129_CRT_Croatia_Rally08.wmv

More videos:
http://www.cersanitrally.pl/index1.php/Pliki

[Tom206wrc]

Is the ERC campaign in Grande Punto S2000 over for Corrado Fontana ??? :confused:


I found him on entrylist of this week-end Ronde de Valcavargna(Italy)in a 206 WRC...

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Is the ERC campaign in Grande Punto S2000 over for Corrado Fontana ??? :confused:


I found him on entrylist of this week-end Ronde de Valcavargna(Italy)in a 206 WRC...
Yes TOM..
It was annouced just before Rally Vinho Madeira...
Where have you been Tom ? :s mokin: :dozey:

[CricketsFilm]

Is the ERC campaign in Grande Punto S2000 over for Corrado Fontana ??? :confused:


I found him on entrylist of this week-end Ronde de Valcavargna(Italy)in a 206 WRC...

Fontana will drives in Rally di Como, Rally Antibes with new Peugeot 207 S2000... and Monza Rally Show I think with a Wrc

.... and this week to Rally Valcavargna with his Peugeot 206 Wrc "Grifone"...

[Tom206wrc]

Thanks for the infos ;)

[Jarek Z]

Fontana will drives in Rally di Como, Rally Antibes with new Peugeot 207 S2000... and Monza Rally Show I think with a Wrc


But he is very disappointed with Punto S2000. He wanted to win European Championship, but he wasn't able to to it at the wheel of the Punto. You can read it here:
http://www.corradofontana.it/static/html/mdl_newsletter/pages/tmplcorrado4.20080725091502/?languageID=ita

[PLuto]

There isnt special page for Antibes - so, Bryan Bouffier will start there with Proton Satria S2000 - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=7309

[Tom206wrc]

There isnt special page for Antibes - so, Bryan Bouffier will start there with Proton Satria S2000 - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=7309



:eek:


Will he drive the Proton full season next year :confused:

[Mirek]

He has an agreement for testing only until the end of this year.

[jure dvorsek]

Indeed C.Fontana ended his participation in this year EC, as already been told, he was disappointed with Grifone Punto S2000. And it is not the team, who offered him a slow car (he is still with Griffone with P206 WRC, as he was in previus years).
If think and correct me if I am wrong-Abarth is selling to his costumers very littlle ''horse power'' compare to factory team. Last season Pucco Grossi, who also rented a Punto S2000 by Griffone had enough of bullsh... be all the time behind best drivers with Gr.Lancer's and they have mesaured the power on his Punto-resoult was 240 hp, and this is a way long from 280-285 of factory cars. They ended cooparation emidetly...The same reason was with the case Solowow, Viktor Sa from Portugal, Dani Sola....

[Mirek]

240 Hp is too small number. I know that last season two private Puntos had 262 (early 2007 model) and 272 Hp (late 2007 car). As I remember well, both had engines from Grifone. 240 may be on wheels but not on clutch.

[Jarek Z]

There isnt special page for Antibes - so, Bryan Bouffier will start there with Proton Satria S2000 - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=7309

This is interesting piece of news indeed! Are you sure he will compete in this rally and not only drive as a zero car?
I hope there will be many S2000 cars in Antibes so that we can compare the stage times. Who is going to Antibes this year?

P.S. And I agree with Jure that Fiat should treat their customers better. Solowow had enough of that car and look how much better results he has with Peugeot.

[Mirek]

Jarek: Proton is already homologated. There is no need to start as a zero car ;)

[HaCo]

I think Abarth has a lot of work on the car as they struggle to get to the finish and even beat a peugeot.

[CricketsFilm]

Indeed C.Fontana ended his participation in this year EC, as already been told, he was disappointed with Grifone Punto S2000. And it is not the team, who offered him a slow car (he is still with Griffone with P206 WRC, as he was in previus years).
If think and correct me if I am wrong-Abarth is selling to his costumers very littlle ''horse power'' compare to factory team. Last season Pucco Grossi, who also rented a Punto S2000 by Griffone had enough of bullsh... be all the time behind best drivers with Gr.Lancer's and they have mesaured the power on his Punto-resoult was 240 hp, and this is a way long from 280-285 of factory cars. They ended cooparation emidetly...The same reason was with the case Solowow, Viktor Sa from Portugal, Dani Sola....

Fontana not ended erc season, he will drive to Antibes.... with a new Peugeot 207 (grifone)

[Jarek Z]

Fontana not ended erc season, he will drive to Antibes.... with a new Peugeot 207 (grifone)

Thanks for the information.
Damn, how many cars does Grifone prepare these days? Pug 206, Fiat Punto and now Pug 207 as well. Impressive!

[CricketsFilm]

Thanks for the information.
Damn, how many cars does Grifone prepare these days? Pug 206, Fiat Punto and now Pug 207 as well. Impressive!

...Corolla Wrc, Corolla S2000......

[Eyvind]

Probably Rally Principe de Asturias 2009 will be in ERC and IRC (same as Ypres, Madeira and Barum). Source: local TV in Asturias.

[PLuto]

Probably Rally Principe de Asturias 2009 will be in ERC and IRC (same as Ypres, Madeira and Barum). Source: local TV in Asturias.

You are true (with Principe). Instead of Rajd Polski.

[Eyvind]

Fantastic!! ERC in Asturias !!! :D :cool:

[PLuto]

I dont think that it is so good for ERC to counting this two championships together.

[Wim_Impreza]

I dont think that it is so good for ERC to counting this two championships together.

I have the same opinion. I am not happy that they go to there. There are too much rounds that both counts for IRC and ERC.

[Jarek Z]

I have the same opinion. I am not happy that they go to there. There are too much rounds that both counts for IRC and ERC.

But what exactly is so wrong about it?

[wwbroe]

But what exactly is so wrong about it?

Then what is the use of two championships? They better make one championship if they both run on most events together. ;)

[Wim_Impreza]

But what exactly is so wrong about it?

Please read the opinion from wwbroe, that's my opinion too.

[Jarek Z]

Then what is the use of two championships? They better make one championship if they both run on most events together. ;)

Of course, I said that a long time ago.
But it's a problem of IRC organizers, not ours - the spectators, isn't it? It's them who are using ERC events in their championship. And for us, the spectators? The better entry list the better event! :)

[PLuto]

For spectators it is better, of course. But it is worse for ERC drivers, because they are with lower chances on mixed events, where starts also drivers, which arent so interested in ERC (this year Kopecky, Kresta, Basso, Alen...).

[Eyvind]

The only change is: Istanbul 2008 / Principe 2009 (both ERC / IRC)

There was no problem in 2008. There will be no problem in 2009.

[Jarek Z]

But it is worse for ERC drivers, because they are with lower chances on mixed events, where starts also drivers, which arent so interested in ERC (this year Kopecky, Kresta, Basso, Alen...).

Why can't they increase their chances by going faster then? ;)

[PLuto]

Calendar for European Rally Championship 2009: http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=7607

[Jarek Z]

Calendar for European Rally Championship 2009: http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=7607

11 events? How stupid is that???

[PLuto]

11 events? How stupid is that???

It is about politics. First version of this calendar was without Elpa after huge "push" of Antibes and Valais (which was in first version without IRC, so ERC was something like compensation). So, final result is here - 11 event, 6 of them both ERC/IRC...

[Wim_Impreza]

It is even more stupid that 6 events counts also for IRC. :(

[RS]

Why can't they increase their chances by going faster then? ;)

This is a good point!

Only Asturias and Istanbul are new to ERC, but they were already in IRC last year so is it not the problem for ERC organisers? As well as for us spectators, it will be rather good for IRC too if it means stronger entry lists.

[urabus-denoS2000]

Yes!!!!!Delta rally is still ERC

[Mirek]

Istanbul is not new to ERC. Valais is new.

[Jarek Z]

So we already know the ERC calendar. Does anybody know IRC calendar? It should be the same plus Safari, Monte and Sanremo, right?

[PLuto]

So we already know the ERC calendar. Does anybody know IRC calendar? It should be the same plus Safari, Monte and Sanremo, right?

Discussion about IRC calendar is another thread. And as told press officer of IRC many times in past days, it will be published next week :p

[PLuto]

I dont know, if you have found it, but next year will be in ERC special classification for 2WD cars, so there will be two European champions - in general classification and in 2WD. More here (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=7657)

[urabus-denoS2000]

Well

[urabus-denoS2000]

Well on that occasion PLuto do you know is Tluštak is doing ERC?

[PLuto]

Well on that occasion PLuto do you know is Tluštak is doing ERC?

Yes, we will have three (maybe four) crews from Czech in ERC. But please, dont ask now who it will be ;)

[werner]

Hi,

does anybody knows the 2009 Calendars FIA European Regional Cups? Is there possibility to get 2WD Champion, too??

Thanks!!!

werner

[atsiotras79]

I dont know, if you have found it, but next year will be in ERC special classification for 2WD cars, so there will be two European champions - in general classification and in 2WD. More here (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=7657)

Clever move!

[Raven]

ERC special classification for 2WD cars - something for Tlustak ;-)

[PLuto]

Hi,

does anybody knows the 2009 Calendars FIA European Regional Cups? Is there possibility to get 2WD Champion, too??

Thanks!!!

werner

Calendars will be published today (and I am not PR of Eurosport, so you can believe me, that it will be today and not next week). And 2WD Champion is only in ERC, not i cups.

[PLuto]

ERC special classification for 2WD cars - something for Tlustak ;-)

Everybody can count for this classification. For example, three crews from Czech republic will start in this class. And there are some rumours about italian crews... It should be interesting.

[Raven]

I hope so, as I like FWD cars.

[urabus-denoS2000]

But please, dont ask now who it will be ;)

Who will it be? ;) ;) ;)
Just kidding

Very good news

[Jarek Z]

I hope so, as I like FWD cars.

Yeah, me too. I even think FIA should change the rules so that Super 1600 cars can fight for victory again! I know they are not as powerful as Super 2000 or group N cars, but if FIA reduced the minimal weight for them, those crazy screamers could be competitive again!

I know I'm a dreamer, but I'm sure I'm not the only one! ;)
http://www.rallyonline.pl/ft.php?idg=1428&pg_[go]=14

[Jarek Z]

There is also another change in the ERC regulations. The names of co-drivers are allowed on the rear side windows again!

[PLuto]

There is also another change in the ERC regulations. The names of co-drivers are allowed on the rear side windows again!

Yes, in all ERC and EC rounds. But I dont know where will be starting number, because rally cars dont have so big windows...

[PLuto]

Calendars will be published today (and I am not PR of Eurosport, so you can believe me, that it will be today and not next week). And 2WD Champion is only in ERC, not i cups.

Ok, here is the link: http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=7665

[urabus-denoS2000]

but I'm sure I'm not the only one! ;)
http://www.rallyonline.pl/ft.php?idg=1428&pg_[go]=14

You are not the only one ;)

I am for it,more and more winning formulas are better!!!!
But S1600 are old cars,Renault already has a new Clio,so does Peugeot
C2 is at the end of its carrer and it is going to be replaced with a new one
Only the Swift is a relatively modern car

Back in 2005 they were a winning formula so why not now

But S1600 is being replaced with R3,which is going more to cheap then to fast

[werner]

Thank you, PLuto, for Info!!!

regards,

werner

[Madeira]

I guess that Corrado Fontana will repeat the ERC next season but with the 207 S2000- Not confirmed!... only this words...

"Quest'anno la stagione è stata con alti e bassi, abbiamo conquistato un 4° posto nel Campionato Europeo che deve servire come base per puntare ancora più in alto nel 2009."

Source:
http://blog.corradofontana.it/

[Tom206wrc]

To me it's clear: for 2009 Fontana targets better than this year's 4th place in ERC... ;)


Edit: by the way, is Fontana's 207 the one that will be used by Auriol at Monte-Carlo/IRC09 ?? :confused:

[Jarek Z]

is Fontana's 207 the one that will be used by Auriol at Monte-Carlo/IRC09 ?? :confused:

Yes, Auriol will drive Fontana's car on Monte Carlo Rally.

Another driver that would like to compete in ERC 2009 is Michal Solowow, but at the moment it is only a plan, not a confirmed starting program yet.