Rally Du Condroz-Huy

[noel157]

Is this just entries received so far or will there be more?

http://www.condrozrally.be/regulations/inscriptions.pdf

[Tom206wrc]

I guess it's only provisional entrylist :mark:

[Wim_Impreza]

I guess it's only provisional entrylist :mark:

Yes, it is. The final entry list will be published next Thursday.

[noel157]

Thanks Wim, appreciate that.

[Eyvind]

Someone has found the entry list?

On the official website continues provisional list

[Tom206wrc]

It seems polish rallies champion Bryan Bouffier will run Condroz in a Subaru Impreza from Munster according to http://www.autoklub.pl/17644,news.html :confused:

[MartijnS]

Yes that's correct. He will replace Munster.

1. Duval – Punto S2000
2. Loix – Polo S2000
3. Cols – Lancer Evo IX N4
4. Casier – 207 S2000
5. Munster – Impreza WRX STi N4
6. Colsoul – Lancer Evo 9 N4
7. Jullien – Lancer Evo 9 N4
8. Bouche – Lancer Evo 7 N4 (kiezen met Subaru)
9. Busin – Polo S2000
10. Princen – Clio R3
11. Turrion – Lancer Evo 9 N4
12. Roman – Lancer Evo 9 N4
14. Lhonnay – Lancer Evo 9 N4
15. Laruelle – Polo S1600
16. Cherain – C2 R2
17. Auquier – C2 R2
18. Burton – C2 R2
19. Cartelle – C2 R2
20. Bonjean – Lancer Evo 9 N4
21. Tomek – Felicia Kit-Car
22. Jensen – 206 RC N3
23. Damis – Lancer Evo 9 N4
24. Moree – Lancer Evo 9 N4
25. Barbier – Lancer Evo 6.5 N4
26. Collard – Lancer Evo 9 N4
27. Davite – Lancer Evo 9 N4
28. Arlotti – Lancer Evo 6 N4
29. Collette – 106 GTi N2
30. Lucchese – Clio Ragnotti N3
0. Van Parijs – 911 GT3
31. Deferm – Impreza WRC
32. Snijers – 911 GT3
33. Duez – 911 GT3
34. Bodson – S2 Coupé R12
35. Debackere – Corolla WRC
36. Lejeune – 911 GT3
37. Verreydt – M3 R12
38. Cunin – Lancer Evo 8 A8
39. Bouche – Impreza GT A8 (kiezen met Lancer)
40. Van Woensel – 350Z
41. Schmelcher – 911 GT3
42. Baugnet – C2 R2
43. Jonkers – Lancer Evo 6.5 A8
44. Van Hoof – Lancer Evo 4 A8
45. De Koning – Lancer Evo 7 A8
46. Lefevere – E36 M16
47. Hazeleger – Lancer Evo 6.5 A8
48. Grooten – C2 R2
49. Lauwaert – C2 R2
50. Jansemme – C2 R2
51. Hébette – Saxo VTS A6
52. Massin – Impreza WRC
53. J-M.Gaban – 911
54. Flagothier – Cayman S
55. Cailloux – Lancer Evo 9 N4
56. Holz – Golf III Kit-Car
57. Lietaer – Escort RS2000 Mk2
58. Nijs – Impreza WRX A8
59. Delooz – Impreza WRX A8
60. Servais – Fiesta ST

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Van Parijs, Snijers and Duez... all of them driving a Porsche 911 GT3 :s mokin:

[Eyvind]

Fantastic entry list :eek:

Here's a complete list:
]http://www.rallybel.be/2007condroz.htm (http://www.rallybel.be/2007condroz.htm[/color)

[Jarek Z]

]Van Parijs, Snijers and Duez... all of them driving a Porsche 911 GT3 :s mokin:

It's a perfect combination of classic names & classic cars, isn't it? :)

I'm waiting for photos and movies from this event. Martijn, are you going there?

[Wim_Impreza]

Test Loix, yesterday: http://www.autosportforum.be/showthread.php?t=275&page=140

[Tom206wrc]

Pics of Dudu testing his new car :D

http://www.pitstoptv.info/pitstop/?p=3375

They are better in that thread than the one of IRC championship ;)

[HaCo]

Jup, Dudu's car is awesome! Still I hope Loix can win it!
Shakedown was this afthernoor, here are some pics: http://www.tracklife.net/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=37&g2_itemId=33685&g2_page=12

http://www.pitstoptv.info/pitstop/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/wiwduval007.jpg

[Juha]

More pics. :D

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/juhabos/740/044.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/juhabos/740/047.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/juhabos/740/067.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/juhabos/740/071.jpg

[HaCo]

Enjoy the movies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lqKzngDHlU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmUfgRB6Zww

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3d...n-condroz-2007

(Copy/pasted from autosportforum.be)

[[Madeira-Rally]]

It's a perfect combination of classic names & classic cars, isn't it? :)

I'm waiting for photos and movies from this event. Martijn, are you going there?

Offo course it is...

Real drivers with real cars... :angel:

[Mirek]

Seems to be veeery slippery. I'm looking fot the event :)

[Tom206wrc]

By the way, live results will be given by http://www.ris-timing.be ;)


I don't think the link has been given yet :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

Any news of SS1 ??? :confused:

[[Madeira-Rally]]

The stage should star in 20 min... (I suppose)

[[Madeira-Rally]]

first times of 1st stage are coming

http://www.ris-timing.be/rallye/huy/2007/0100.htm

they are running in reverse order.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Really bad live results system :s

It doesn't work for a long time :s

[[Madeira-Rally]]

By the way...

from who is the car Dudu is driving in Condroz?

[Tom206wrc]

]By the way...

from who is the car Dudu is driving in Condroz?



French team AutomecaSport ;)

[[Madeira-Rally]]

It looks like Casier was fastest on SS1...

10 sec. faster than Loix... It's too much time for a short stage...

[Tom206wrc]

Great !!! :D

[Wim_Impreza]

]It looks like Casier was fastest on SS1...

10 sec. faster than Loix... It's too much time for a short stage...

I think that's not possible, especially when you remember that Loix, Duval, Princen and Cols are very fast in slippery and wet conditions.

[Tom206wrc]

OK...so it's a mistake with the chronos/GPS...??? :rolleyes:

[Juha]

Yes, very nasty fog for the last 60 cars. Lots of drivers had switched of the extra lights as it didn't help. It was very greasy and Deferm's Subaru slid of the road at a hairpin. He'll restart tomorrow.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/rallyfoto/741/006.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/rallyfoto/741/013.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/rallyfoto/741/019.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/rallyfoto/741/025.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Incredibly bad visibility for drivers :eek:

[[Madeira-Rally]]

I think that's not possible, especially when you remember that Loix, Duval, Princen and Cols are very fast in slippery and wet conditions.


That's exactly why I said "It looks"... I don't think that time are credible... :s mokin:

But... According to turbomagazine.be it's true.... :s

After SS1

1. Casier (Peugeot 207 S2000)
2. Loix (VW Polo S2000) +10.1
3. Bouche (Mitsubishi Lancer Gr.N) +11.6
4. Duval (Abarth Punto S2000) +12.3
5. Bouffier (Subaru WRX Sti) +22.8
6. Lhonnay (Mitsubishi Lancer Gr.N) +23.2
7. Turrion (Mitsubishi Lancer Gr.N) +24.1
8. Jullien (Mitsubishi Lancer Gr.N) +24.3
9. Princen (Renault Clio R3) +26.3
10. Cols ( (Mitsubishi Lancer Gr.N) +29.2
11. Bodson (Audi S2) + 36.4
12. Duez (Porsche 996 GT3) +36.6

[Tom206wrc]

Oh no !! Only 4th best time 7s behind Dudu for Casier in SS2 :(

[Wim_Impreza]

Yes Paulo, the times are true.

Tom, Casier has not the same talent as Loix, Cols, Duval, Snijers... Casier was never that good in the Condroz in the last years.

[Tom206wrc]

Casier out in SS4 ??? What a disappointment !! :(

[Kurt L.]

Casier out in SS4 ??? What a disappointment !! :(

He's still there Tom,those live times are not that good to put it mildly

[Tom206wrc]

OK :rolleyes:

[Tom206wrc]

What happened to Fast Freddy in SS7 ??? :confused:

[Kurt L.]

What happened to Fast Freddy in SS7 ??? :confused:

Nothing ,I also thought that something happend, but live timing again .
It's adjusted now,he has the 3th time 5 sec behind Duval, Casier 2nd time

[Tom206wrc]

I've seen :mark:

[Mirek]

Fantastic battle between Loix and Duval out there ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Loix hit a big trick in SS11 being 11s faster than Dudu and 16s faster than Casier... :D

Cols has suddenly become very fast too, setting equal time with Fast Freddy ;)

[Kurt L.]

They are driving in the dark right now,Duval said before that it would be difficult for him,because he hasn't driven in the dark for a long time.

[Tom206wrc]

It seems Busin on the other Polo S2000 retired :confused:

[Jarek Z]

Duval said before that it would be difficult for him,because he hasn't driven in the dark for a long time.

Ha! Too much time spent in the WRC!

[Wim_Impreza]

It seems Busin on the other Polo S2000 retired :confused:

Yes, he rolled the car on SS10 Ben-Ahin.

[Mirek]

I hope the crew is ok and the car not very damaged.

[HaCo]

It seems Busin on the other Polo S2000 retired :confused:

Just got back from Condroz. Awesome batle in front!!! :D Busin rolled on SS9 or SS10, not sure, but he rolled!
VW has some issues with the 'collecteur' that goes to the 'echapment' (=exhaust). In the last 3 weeks they had to change it 6 times!!! Some fabrication failure, Loix is struggling with it too. These are parts they recieve from South Africa, so Rene George can't do a thing about it. Nevertheless, what a great battle!
Casier is doing steady, because he wants to finnish afther his off in Swiss. The circumstances are difficult and he think that the first runners must be driving like crazy and of course they are! :D
Thought the regular N4's would be faster compared to S2000.

[WRC1]

fantastic performance from "fast freddy" and the polo s2000 in the dark !!

does somebody know how big the damage on the second polo from busin is??

reg

wrc1

[HaCo]

fantastic performance from "fast freddy" and the polo s2000 in the dark !!

does somebody know how big the damage on the second polo from busin is??

reg

wrc1

LOL, I was thinking exactly the same thing when I heard the news on the radio. Will they need 2 in Austria next weekend, thought one driver was hurth. I also think there are 3 VW's available at Rene Georges...

[Mirek]

So, 35,5 seconds lead after Leg 1. Great job from Freddy!

[WRC1]

LOL, I was thinking exactly the same thing when I heard the news on the radio. Will they need 2 in Austria next weekend, thought one driver was hurth. I also think there are 3 VW's available at Rene Georges...

no they need unfortunatly only one polo, kris rosenberger is not fully fit and he confirmed yesterday that he will not drive at waldviertel rallye, but in the same pressrelease he said also that he will do the full austrian championship next year with a polo 2000, so with andreas waldherr who plans the same we should have 2 polo´s in austria next year...

and about the ammount of cars: andy waldherr told me last week that there are "only" two cars at rene georges but one spare chassis and enough parts to build a 3rd car

regards

GOOOO Freddy!!

wrc1

[Sulland]

Has Duval commented on how he finds the S2000 car to drive compared to WRC.

Loix is driving very impressingly in the Polo, I really hope they are doing the IRC together next year !!!!

[spudrsca]

They are driving in the dark right now,Duval said before that it would be difficult for him,because he hasn't driven in the dark for a long time.

I don't believe, it's the dark that is the problem.
I think it's because he drives with a gentlemen co-driver for the first time.
Remember Monte-Carlo 2004, a special in the fog, Duval and Loeb were in the same second and 30 seconds faster than everyone, Märtin was even 50 seconds behind Duval.

[Tom206wrc]

What happened to Fast Freddy ??? :eek:

He's fell 8th overall with more than 5 minutes late to Dudu after leg 1 !!! :s

[Tom206wrc]

Apparently Freddy had arrived several minutes too early to the horary control at the end of leg one and got 6 minutes penalty :s

He would have decided not to run on today's leg...

[Tom206wrc]

Princen had a huge loss on today's short stage(SS14 is 2km long) :mark:

[Tom206wrc]

Cols retired in SS15 ??? :confused:

[HaCo]

It's a real pitty, I'm not even interested in following the rally any more. :(

[Dejan]

Why did Loix retired after first leg??

[Tom206wrc]

Why did Loix retired after first leg??




Angry against Duval and organizers of the rally I suppose :rolleyes:

[Tom206wrc]

Best time for Bryan Bouffier in the SS17 !!! :up:

[Jarek Z]

Angry against Duval and organizers of the rally I suppose :rolleyes:

But why? What happened? This could have been the first great victory of VW Polo S2000 in Belgium!

[Tom206wrc]

But why? What happened? This could have been the first great victory of VW Polo S2000 in Belgium!



In fact from what I've understood(please Haco correct me if I'm wrong)there was a debut of fire on the VW Polo exhausts and Freddy was looking for an extinctor entering in the control too early... :mark:


Seeing the problem, marshalls were about not to give a penalty to Loix, but Duval team threatened the officials to retire of the event if the rules weren't followed... :s

[spudrsca]

In fact from what I've understood(please Haco correct me if I'm wrong)there was a debut of fire on the VW Polo exhausts and Freddy was looking for an extinctor entering in the control too early... :mark:


Seeing the problem, marshalls were about not to give a penalty to Loix, but Duval team threatened the officials to retire of the event if the rules weren't followed... :s

There would not have such problems if in Belgium, they would always follow the rules.
They are so used to bend the rules and escape it that when the rules are followed, they are furious.

[Jarek Z]

(...)
Seeing the problem, marshalls were about not to give a penalty to Loix, but Duval team threatened the officials to retire of the event if the rules weren't followed... :s

Thanks for the explanation, Tom!

Well, I have to say that I would prefer the opposite situation - that Duval retired, because Loix was the hero of this rally for me and without him this event has lost all the excitement. But, on the other hand, rules are rules...

Let's wait to see what our Belgian friends say when they are back from the rally.

[Jarek Z]

And Monsieur Bouffier is already third overal and first in group N... :up:
Duval still in the lead after SS24, with one stage to go...

[HaCo]

It's correct, what you told. Loix made a mistake and got a 6 minutes penalty. He passed the yellow board to early, he tells because they wanted to be close to a fire extinguiser. Duval saw them passing and told Loix he wanted to fight it out with him on the stages. But Duval got kicked ass, even made a mistake, got on off. At the next service Duval was cited that 'It isn't fair, I'm sick of it...". If the press articles are right the Duval team even threadened to step out if Loix wasn't sanctioned. The last loop of 3 stages Duval even lost 30 secs, was he slow because he isn't used to the night or was he slowing down because he was sure that Loix would get a penalty. ==> Of course all these infos are from press releases, so I wasn't there to be sure.

IMO they could have given Loix a 1 minute penalty and we would have seen a great battle today, 6 minutes is just to much.

In Roeselare (previous rally of the Belgian Championship), on a Super Special where you have to make several laps, Cols passed the finnish to early (he missed a lap). He got in reversed and did his round anyway. He wasn't punnished at all. If cols was excluded that rally, Loix would have had a much more bigger chance to win the championship.
This rally Loix made a mistake, and got punnished heavily. I don't need to recall that Duval speaks french and that the condroz is in the french part of Belgium.

In the pressrelease VW says they wanted to win in Condroz and with 6 minutes penalty they could no longer win so they withdraw.

Like said here, in Belgium there are to much bending with rules. Sometimes it can be very frustrating like now.

For me Loix was the fastest S2000, he kicked Duval his ass, simple as that. Of course they were close.

[HaCo]

I just saw the rally on tv. Apparantly Casier has been pushed several km's by Bouffier to the service park. Curious how the organisation will react on this one...

[Tom206wrc]

I just saw the rally on tv. Apparantly Casier has been pushed several km's by Bouffier to the service park. Curious how the organisation will react on this one...



:confused:

[GTA]

for the moment i think you will not see any official Polo S 2000 in Belgium in 2008.

[RS]

Would be very keen to see some videos from this rally....?

[[Madeira-Rally]]

I just saw the rally on tv. Apparantly Casier has been pushed several km's by Bouffier to the service park. Curious how the organisation will react on this one...

I suppose that if they follow the rules, they should disqualify Casier and Bouffier...

[polo10]

for the moment i think you will not see any official Polo S 2000 in Belgium in 2008.

What really happened in the rally with fredy, can you tell us please? and why you said that we will not see any official polo s2000 in belgium in 2008?...

[HaCo]

Guys,
YouTube has a search function... ;)
Day 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCclcYva-ps
Day 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYjG7Ysx92A

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3dxc2_rallye-du-condrozmarneffe0002_sport
http://www.garagetv.be/video-galerij/rallybelgie/rally_Huy_2007_.aspx

That is allready something... :D

GTA: It's a pitty, I followed the Belgian championship this year mainly to see Loix battle with Cols and both were very spectacular.

[Mirek]

GTA: I join the others in asking for some more info what happened and why You withdraw from Belgian champ for next year? Would You be so kind and let us know more?

[GTA]

]GTA: I join the others in asking for some more info what happened and why You withdraw from Belgian champ for next year? Would You be so kind and let us know more?

ok: driving to the start of stage 10 the Polo was having problems with a broken exhaust close to the engine and Gas fumes were comming inside the car and there was a risk of fire, when he arived at the stage 6 minutes to early Freddy decided to drive in the timecontrol as matter of safety to let the marshall check for possible fire, Duval was waiting for the Time control sign and Freddy was 10 meters in front of him in the control zone, he saw what happened and spoke with Freddy that it was no problem as he understood the reason why and he would like to fight for the win on the stages and not by a decission of stewards, the steward also said it was no problem, he also understood why. they both started their normal times and continue the rally. after the finish of day 2 ( stage 13 ) we heard of a possible penalty, we checked the times and yes we got a 6 minutes penalty !!! we did not agree with the decission of the organiser and on Sunday morning we decided to not start as we could not have got the penalty undone anyway, there was no way to speak with the organiser about it, they only said that if we do not agree to sign a protest on the end of the rally, meaning continue driving with 6 minutes penalty !! Freddy drove the car out of parc ferme into service where it staid..... a sad weekend as we all knew the Polo was the car to have on this rally. concerning 2008 there is no decission taken if there is an official programme in Belgium or not, the issue of this rally does not work positive as you can imagine.

[Mirek]

Thanks, Jack.

[Addicted]

Am I right that Loix broke the rules by going in 6 minutes too early, got time penalty of 6 mins (like rules are) and after that he and team got pissed?

Cry babies.

[GTA]

Am I right that Loix broke the rules by going in 6 minutes too early, got time penalty of 6 mins (like rules are) and after that he and team got pissed?

Cry babies.

Of course you are not allowed to enter the time control to early or you get a penalty, we all know the rules... this was a matter of safety for the crew and the car only ... the penalty of 6 minutes was in our vieuw to much, he should have got 1 minute or so... thats why we did not agree with the organiser and federation and decide to stop. and why they first say it is no problem and then after decide to still give the penalty ? they should have marked it on the time card inmediately but they did not, the time card was ok.

[HaCo]

The thing is that in Belgium people are judged different all the time. I read from a codriver on a forum that this happend more than once in past without penalties and now suddenly Loix is punnished, full six minutes!!!

What punnishment do you normally get when you pass the finnish on a stage and then go back in reverse to complete another lap (because u forgot)?

What punnishment do you get if you are pushed by another competitor in the liaison section?

[[Madeira-Rally]]

What punnishment do you normally get when you pass the finnish on a stage and then go back in reverse to complete another lap (because u forgot)?

What punishment do you get if you are pushed by another competitor in the liaison section?

That's the real questions Haco :s mokin: :s mokin:

The punishment for that cases... is a little bit more than 1 or 6 minutes...

[Addicted]

Of course you are not allowed to enter the time control to early or you get a penalty, we all know the rules... this was a matter of safety for the crew and the car only ... the penalty of 6 minutes was in our vieuw to much, he should have got 1 minute or so... thats why we did not agree with the organiser and federation and decide to stop. and why they first say it is no problem and then after decide to still give the penalty ? they should have marked it on the time card inmediately but they did not, the time card was ok.

Why it should be only 1 minute instead of 6? Just because it is better for you?
Couldn`t Loix stop before time control and not get penalty? In that 6 mins he could check himself whats wrong.

And what comes to organiser problem, I can`t say why they work this way. Maybe they finally realised that they must punish Loix and stop bending rules everytime. Let`s hope that other organisers will do the same in future and these stupid rule breakings and bendings will end.

[Addicted]

What punnishment do you normally get when you pass the finnish on a stage and then go back in reverse to complete another lap (because u forgot)?

What punnishment do you get if you are pushed by another competitor in the liaison section?


That is extremely dangerous and should be punished really hard. Suspend license for atleast 12 months.

Nothing like that haven`t ever happened in Finland so I can`t give you example from here, but our national federation gives nowadays big punishments even from smaller rule breakings.

Which is good.

[Veekaa]

Would be very keen to see some videos from this rally....?

well you can find some on my site http://www.rallyephotos.be (http://www.rallyephotos.be/) in the video section. there's some onboard footage from Patrick Snijers in his Porsche and Paul Lietaer in an Escort MK1.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Really impressive drive of Snijers!

It's because drivers like him I love rallys :)

A reall rally driver in a real car :D

[Wim_Impreza]

Good news for you then, Paulo. It is confirmed that Patrick Snijers drives the whole Belgian Rally Championship 2008 with that Porsche (not Ypres, because GT's are not allowed there).

[Jarek Z]

It is confirmed that Patrick Snijers drives the whole Belgian Rally Championship 2008 with that Porsche (not Ypres, because GT's are not allowed there).

That's great news indeed! But I wouldn't be so sure that Snijers will not be able to compete with Porsche in Ypres. I heard rumours that GT cars will be allowed in next year's ERC. Does anybody have any confirmation on that?

By the way... Just imagine - Snijers, Porsche and Ypres... Can anything be more classic? ;)

[Wim_Impreza]

That's great news indeed! But I wouldn't be so sure that Snijers will not be able to compete with Porsche in Ypres. I heard rumours that GT cars will be allowed in next year's ERC. Does anybody have any confirmation on that?

By the way... Just imagine - Snijers, Porsche and Ypres... Can anything be more classic? ;)

Yes, it is confirmed that GT's won't allowed in the ERC next year. He will drive an other car in Ypres.

[Salist]

I hope we will going to this rally once.

[wwbroe]

I hope we will going to this rally once.

Well, you are always welcome, the entrylidt for this year looks very nice also. ;)

[Jarek Z]

Well, you are always welcome, the entrylidt for this year looks very nice also. ;)

How nice does it look?

[Wim_Impreza]

How nice does it look?
Confirmed
WRC:
- Pieter Tsjoen, Erik Wevers (NL), René Kuipers (NL), Dennis Kuipers (NL) (Focus WRC)
- Hubert Deferm, Patrick Snijers, Paul Lietaer (Impreza WRC)
- Melissa Debackere, Jean-Pierre Van de Wauwer (Corolla WRC)

S2000:
- Freddy Loix (207 S2000) and Bernd Casier (Polo S2000)

GT:
- Marc Duez, Henri Schmelcher, Timothy Van Parijs, Françis Lejeune (Porsche 911 GT3)
- Chris Van Woensel (Nissan 350Z)

Group N:
- Jasper van den Heuvel (NL), Stéphane Lhonnay, Alexandre Romain (Lancer Evo 9)
- Frederik de Keyser, Olivier Collard, Phil Nijs, Thierry Dupuis (Impreza WRX STI)

R2-R3:
- Bruno Thiry, Simon Jean-Joseph (F), Caren Burton (Citroën C2-R2 Max)
- Jan de Winkel (NL), Gilles Schammel (L), Kris Princen, Bernard Servais and Koen Lauwaert (Renault Clio R3).

Probably Mihály Hodula (H, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 6 - A8), Michael Pedersen (DK, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 9), René Kuipers (Ford Focus WRC06), Dennis Kuipers (Ford Focus WRC06), John Temmink (NL, Škoda Fabia WRC) and Janina Depping (Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 7), Tim Stebani (D, Škoda Octavia Kit Car) and Hans Ole Funch (Opel Kadett) will be there as it counts for the Euro Rally Challenge.

[Mirek]

Is Simon Jean-Joseph already allright after his serious summer injury?

[pucky54]

we should also see a Honda Civic R3 in Huy

[Salist]

Very good entry list....




Confirmed
WRC:
- Pieter Tsjoen, Erik Wevers (NL), René Kuipers (NL), Dennis Kuipers (NL) (Focus WRC)
- Hubert Deferm, Patrick Snijers, Paul Lietaer (Impreza WRC)
- Melissa Debackere, Jean-Pierre Van de Wauwer (Corolla WRC)

S2000:
- Freddy Loix (207 S2000) and Bernd Casier (Polo S2000)

GT:
- Marc Duez, Henri Schmelcher, Timothy Van Parijs, Françis Lejeune (Porsche 911 GT3)
- Chris Van Woensel (Nissan 350Z)

Group N:
- Jasper van den Heuvel (NL), Stéphane Lhonnay, Alexandre Romain (Lancer Evo 9)
- Frederik de Keyser, Olivier Collard, Phil Nijs, Thierry Dupuis (Impreza WRX STI)

R2-R3:
- Bruno Thiry, Simon Jean-Joseph (F), Caren Burton (Citroën C2-R2 Max)
- Jan de Winkel (NL), Gilles Schammel (L), Kris Princen, Bernard Servais and Koen Lauwaert (Renault Clio R3).

Probably Mihály Hodula (H, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 6 - A8), Michael Pedersen (DK, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 9), René Kuipers (Ford Focus WRC06), Dennis Kuipers (Ford Focus WRC06), John Temmink (NL, Škoda Fabia WRC) and Janina Depping (Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 7), Tim Stebani (D, Škoda Octavia Kit Car) and Hans Ole Funch (Opel Kadett) will be there as it counts for the Euro Rally Challenge.

[Wim_Impreza]

]Is Simon Jean-Joseph already allright after his serious summer injury?

Bruno Thiry said on pitstop.tv that Jean-Joseph is normally OK than. Don't forget that this rally is in November. ;)

[Mirek]

Thanks. I wonder if David Tomek will be present again with his Felicia Kit Car :)

[Wim_Impreza]

I hope, last year he was very spectacular.

There is still a chance that Duval will start there, but the weekend before he compete in Rally Japan.

[wwbroe]

According to pitstop.tv also Bouffier and Vouilloz would participate in this year's Condrozrally. The enrylist start building up nicely. Bouffier would start with a Mitsu Evo9 from Colsoul Rallysport and Vouilloz with his usual Pug S2000 from Kronos racing. Looks like we have two more candidates to run in top places. ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Pitty Bouffier not in an S2000 too(the Proton for example) :mark:

[Wim_Impreza]

Bouffier was very fast last year in Condroz and even won Group N with an Impreza. He was third overall too.

[corolla wrc.]

My video of last year:

http://www.dailymotion.com/vdpmovie/video/x5k48w_condroz-rally-2007-deel1_auto

[corolla wrc.]

part2 of last year:

http://www.dailymotion.com/vdpmovie/video/x5k4kr_condroz-rally-2007-deel2_auto

[Salist]

Thank you, very good videos.

[wwbroe]

Looks like Bouffier might be in Condroz at the wheel of a Proton S2000, at least rthat is what he told me in Valais. It is not completely sure yet, but let's see. ;)
It is comfirmed in the mean time that Sebstien Ogier will replace Simon Jean-Joseph at the wheel of the C2R2Max. He will be fighting with Bruno Thiry with the same car. :)

[Tom206wrc]

When entrylist published ???? :confused:

[wwbroe]

When entrylist published ???? :confused:
Nobody seem to know when it will be official. :D

[Tom206wrc]

There isn't any programed date/schedule ??? :confused:

[wwbroe]

There isn't any programed date/schedule ??? :confused:

Tom, the entries were closed yesterday, and normally the entrylist should be published on thursday 30th of october. ;)

[m.lowe]

Bouffier / MEM to contest Condroz

[Tom206wrc]

No entrylist yet :mark:

[wwbroe]

No entrylist yet :mark:

No Tom, nothing yet, i am waiting also. :(

[wwbroe]

On Belgian site newsrallyes.be you can find a provisional list (with numbers) for Condrozrally. ;)

[Mirek]

Great entry indeed, Walter! :)

By the way, which car for Bouffier? They write Evo 8 A8 from Colsoul there...

[Wim_Impreza]

Nice to see the very spectacular David Tomek again. :)

[wwbroe]

]Great entry indeed, Walter! :)

By the way, which car for Bouffier? They write Evo 8 A8 from Colsoul there...

There is still some discussion about what car Bouffier will be using, but on most sites it is said that it will be Evo 8 Gr.A of Colsoul Rallysport, alltough some others say it still might be the Proton S2000 of MEM. We will see next week what it is going to be, i prefer the Proton. :D

[Tom206wrc]

On Belgian site newsrallyes.be you can find a provisional list (with numbers) for Condrozrally. ;)



http://www.newsrallyes.be ;)

[wwbroe]

I went to shakedown today. Alltough not all contenders were present we saw a lot of nice runs of some of the top contenders. Loix was very fast and very efficient in some very slippery places. Also Bouffier and Vouilloz did soime nice runs, even if it was first time for Bryan in this car.
I was a little disappointed by Tsjoen and father & son Kuipers in their Focus WRC's. Tsjoen had an off just in front of us and cutted a lot of mais (corn) in the field. :D Both Kuipers sr and jr were really slow. Unfortunally Snijers, Deferm, Debackere and Casier were not present at shakedown. The first two were testing at another base, prepared by BMA.
Tomorrow real rally is starting with super special stage in the evening. Let's wait and see who will be in front. ;)

[RS]

So what is going on in Condroz? I can't see the times of any of the top drivers on the RIS-Timing.be website.

[Wim_Impreza]

After special stage 1 yesterday evening:
1 Chris Van Woensel (Nissan 350Z) 2'40"9
2 Pieter Tsjoen (Ford Focus WRC) +4"1
3 Freddy Loix (Peugeot 207 Super 2000) +5"2
4 Bernd Casier (Volkswagen Polo Super 2000) +6"1
5 Arjen de Koning (NL, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 7 - A8) +6"3
6 Nicolas Vouilloz (F, Peugeot 207 Super 2000) +7"8
7 Hubert Deferm (Subaru Impreza WRC S10) +8"2
8 Andy Lefevere (BMW M3 E46) +9"7
9 Patrick Snijers (Subaru Impreza WRC S5) +10"1
10 René Kuipers (NL, Ford Focus WRC) +11"4
11 Bryan Bouffier (F, Peugeot 207 Super 2000) +11"7
12 Kris Princen (Renault Clio R3) +12"4
16 Sébastien Ogier (F, Citroën C2 R2 Max) +14"0
18 Bruno Thiry (Citroën C2 R2 Max) +14"5
24 Marc Duez (Porsche 911 GT3) +15"4
25 Dennis Kuipers (NL, Ford Focus WRC) +15"7
44 Melissa Debackere (Toyota Corolla WRC) +19"6
63 Jan de Winkel (NL, Renault Clio R3) +22"0
67 David Tomek (CZ, Škoda Felicia Kit Car) +22"4
107 Xavier Bouche (Subaru Impreza WRC) +27"9

In this special stage, there was rain for the topdrivers so this is the reason that early starters Chris Van Woensel and Andy Lefevere were fast, because it was dry when they drove. The real rally is now on in Ben-Ahin, SS2. :)

[Tom206wrc]

Vouilloz best time SS2 ahead of Fast Freddy :D

[Wim_Impreza]

And a good time for Bruno Thiry in the small C2 R2 Max too.

[RS]

Impressive times from the Kronos boys.

What car is Bouffier driving, Wim said 207, results say Mitsu?

[Wim_Impreza]

Sorry, that was my fault. Bouffier is driving a Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 Group A from Colsoul Rallysport. It is the same car as Larry Cols drove in 2007 to the Belgian Rally title and Kris Princen in the first part of the year where Princen won with it in the TAC Rally. Bouffier was 3rd last year in the Condroz and first in Group N, so I expect something from him.

[Tom206wrc]

Despite leading belgian championship, Melissa Debackere's times are quite off the pace for now :mark:

[Wim_Impreza]

She was much more off the pace last year in the Condroz too and only thinks about the championship. I say a 9th time is not bad for her. If you find Melissa off the pace, what do say about Pieter Tsjoen with his Focus WRC'07?

[Tom206wrc]

The Kronos S2000s were faster than Tsjoen on long SS4(23km) :eek:

[Wim_Impreza]

Loix and Vouilloz are simply much more talented drivers than Tsjoen. ;) On a Belgian forum I have Loix as winner in my prono. I expected Snijers and Bouffier a bit faster.

[Tom206wrc]

Apparently Tsjoen attacked in SS5 and threatens Vouilloz now ;)

[Tom206wrc]

So after SS6 Tsjoen at last in the lead, 1.3s ahead of Loix and 8s ahead of Vouilloz ;)

[Wim_Impreza]

Snijers had a puncture in SS5, that is the reason for his timeloss in that SS.

[ProRally]

Sorry, that was my fault. Bouffier is driving a Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 Group A from Colsoul Rallysport. It is the same car as Larry Cols drove in 2007 to the Belgian Rally title and Kris Princen in the first part of the year where Princen won with it in the TAC Rally. Bouffier was 3rd last year in the Condroz and first in Group N, so I expect something from him.

What happend to Bouffier, he is not there anymore after ss4 ?

[Wim_Impreza]

What happend to Bouffier, he is not there anymore after ss4 ?

I don't know yet, but when I know it I will post it here.

[ProRally]

Seems he is back after ss7 , strange but not to worry....

[Tom206wrc]

What about SS9 ??? Not started yet ??? :confused:


Edit: OK...Loix best time in front of Tsjoen and Vouilloz :p :

[Buzz Lightyear]

where can i get the times?

[Fly]

where can i get the times?

http://www.ris-timing.be/~rallye//huy/2008/homeresu.htm

[Wim_Impreza]

What happend to Bouffier, he is not there anymore after ss4 ?

In SS2 Ben-Ahin, the first one this morning, he had an off road and damaged the car. He is still in the rally, but he had also some technical problems after this.

[Mirek]

Nice proof that car itself is nothing. Especialy both of Kuipers are very very slow. Did they have some problems or are they realy as fast as C2R2 in good hands?

[Wim_Impreza]

Both Kuipers don't have problems, they are as expected really slow.

[Tom206wrc]

What happened to fast Freddy in SS12 this morning ??? :confused:

[ProRally]

In SS2 Ben-Ahin, the first one this morning, he had an off road and damaged the car. He is still in the rally, but he had also some technical problems after this.

Thanks Wim_Impreza !!

[Wim_Impreza]

Loix is just crashed in the first SS today and probably the SS is cancelled. Driver and codriver are OK.

[Tom206wrc]

Loix is just crashed in the first SS today and probably the SS is cancelled. Driver and codriver are OK.



:(

[Wim_Impreza]

The SS is not cancelled. If the rally finishes like this, Hubert Deferm is Belgian champion with 1 point ahead of Melissa Debackere.

[Mirek]

That's pitty, he could have made Tsjoen some opposition today :(

One question... Van den Heuvel didn't start?

[Wim_Impreza]

Indeed Mirek, now it is just cruising for Tsjoen. For the Belgian titles (overall and Group N) there is still suspense and for the victory in Group N. I am a bit surprised that there are 3 Subaru's leading in Group N.

Yes, van den Heuvel didn't start.

[Tom206wrc]

Where's Kris Princen who was yesterday the 2WD leader in front of Thiry and Ogier ??? :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

Nicolas Vouilloz in SS15 ??? :confused:

[Wim_Impreza]

Nicolas Vouilloz in SS15 ??? :confused:

Accident.

[Tom206wrc]

So both Kronos 207s are out off the road :(

[Wim_Impreza]

Yes, there is still an interesting fight for the victory in Group N between Bertrand Grooten (Impreza N14, first time with that car), Gilles Schammel from Luxembourg (Impreza, first time with that car) and Olivier Collard (Impreza, winner Rallye Luxembourg a month ago).

[Tom206wrc]

1s between Thiry and Ogier for the 2WD victory with two stages left to go :eek:

[wwbroe]

Just returned from Huy, after Freddy's crash this morning on the first stage. I saw the car and it was really heavy crash, car is totally lost. They just showed onboard on Belgian television and was really impressive crash. Also Voullioz crashed out of the race, apparently he rolled in second run of the same stage where Fast Freddy crashed this morning. Both Kronos Pug's out of the race, pitty but that is what can happen if you are fighting with a much more powerfull car like Focus WRC07. Anyhow i was impressed by the speed and car control of both Loix and Vouilloz on this really slippery edition of the Condrozrally. They didn't have any serious crash the whole season and now they both crash out of the race on the last rally. Pitty, but that is part of the game. They were really close with Tsjoen in his powerfull Focus. Now only remain the battle for Gr. N victory and hopefully Deferm takes Belgian title. ;)

[wwbroe]

Casier is loosing 1'20" on penultimate stage Wanze-Marneffe and Melissa Debackere is now in fouth position, but i think Deferm is still taking the title if positions stay like this. ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Sebastien Ogier out of SS16 ??? :confused:

[wwbroe]

Edit: They changed Casier's time now, he is loosing 20" in stead of 1'20", so back in fourth place. :D

[wwbroe]

Last stage is finished for the topdrivers and it is indeed Hubert Deferm who is the new Belgian champion in rallying. Good performance by Hubert who deserves the title more then Debackere, who finishes more then three minutes behind him in fifth overall. ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like Ogier crashed too...??? :mark:

[urabus-denoS2000]

Nice to see top 3 places in group N go to Subaru!!!

[Tom206wrc]

18 minutes lost for Ogier in SS16 :s :confused:

[Mirek]

Nice video: http://members.home.nl/rallyfoto/Condroz_08_Rallymedia_nl.mpg

[JoostSchouten]

]Nice video: http://members.home.nl/rallyfoto/Condroz_08_Rallymedia_nl.mpg
Thanks ;)
You can also watch it at Youtube in High Quality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2btmm-o0fM&fmt=18

[HaCo]

Mmh, don't think this one is still for sale:
http://www.rallycarsforsale.net/clas/index.php?ct=fsrck&md=details&id=33658

[wwbroe]

Mmh, don't think this one is still for sale:
http://www.rallycarsforsale.net/clas/index.php?ct=fsrck&md=details&id=33658

Maybe still for sale, not in that good condition, the price will be reduced. :D

[HaCo]

Maybe still for sale, not in that good condition, the price will be reduced. :D
Yep, and add a picture... :)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6923/crash1aa7.jpg

[Wim_Impreza]

Looks like Ogier crashed too...??? :mark:

No, he retired with a broken gearbox.

[Juha]

My pictures are available on my site. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/rallyfoto/c31.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/rallyfoto/c34.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/rallyfoto/c38.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/rallyfoto/c47.jpg

[Juha]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/rallyfoto/c51.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/rallyfoto/condroz/c18.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/rallyfoto/duez.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/rallyfoto/condroz/c26.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v702/rallyfoto/condroz/c28.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

No, he retired with a broken gearbox.



;(

[Clemens]

pics online :-)

http://rally3.de/bilder/2008/condroz/wp13/images/con08_wp13_eg_05.jpg

http://rally3.de/bilder/2008/condroz/wp3/images/con08_wp3_eg_46.jpg

http://rally3.de/bilder/2008/condroz/wp16/images/con08_wp16_eg_05.jpg

http://rally3.de/bilder/2008/condroz/wp5/images/con08_wp5_eg_05.jpg

[Mirek]

From Juha's photos I can see Ogier's car after frontal impact, so it may not be just a mechanical failure (if it is Ogier on that photo).

[HaCo]

]From Juha's photos I can see Ogier's car after frontal impact, so it may not be just a mechanical failure (if it is Ogier on that photo).

That was on another stage. I saw him passing without the bumper as well. But the last stage where I was on, I didn't see him passing.

This was his litle mistake:
http://images3.fotopic.net/?iid=yvlp91&noresize=1&nostamp=1&quality=80

[Mirek]

Thanks

In this video with terrible music there is Freddy's crash at the end. Very lucky to escape unhurt...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfPfKyCLnDM

[wizaron]

My pics online :)


http://www.wizaron.be/condroz_08/medium/4-118.jpg

http://www.wizaron.be/condroz_08/medium/7-149.jpg

[jbmarcus21]

I was there.. A wonderful rally, really good rally !!

Here my video : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/rallyecondroz08.htm ;)

[wwbroe]

I was there.. A wonderful rally, really good rally !!

Here my video : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/rallyecondroz08.htm ;)

Hey jbmarcus, i can't open the link to the video. It opens your website, but when i doubleclick on the video of Condroz it doesn't want to open. Did it work for you? ;)

[ferrari f2006]

What a great rally!

[jbmarcus21]

Hey jbmarcus, i can't open the link to the video. It opens your website, but when i doubleclick on the video of Condroz it doesn't want to open. Did it work for you? ;)

yes it work .. strange.. click on right, and record the target on your PC ;)

[karlzoro]

Hi, it was a great condroz...pitty that the Pug's didn't made it to the finish...but what a great performance from Grooten: 6th overla with a Subaru gr N...
Some pictures of the rally on: http://dmares.zenfolio.com/

[Veekaa]

some pics on my site www.rallyephotos.be (http://www.rallyephotos.be/)

http://rallyephotos.be/fotos2008/luxemburg/gallery/condroz/large/0114.JPG

http://rallyephotos.be/fotos2008/luxemburg/gallery/condroz/large/0035.JPG

http://rallyephotos.be/fotos2008/luxemburg/gallery/condroz/large/0151.JPG

[HaCo]

http://www.cotetoujours.be/Galerie_2008/photo_2008/24_Rallye_du_Condroz_(Dimanche)/Condroz_2_%20(67).jpg

Btw, I'm on the second picture of the previous post. ;)

[Jarek Z]

Btw, I'm on the second picture of the previous post. ;)

Do you mean the thumb-up guy? That photo will make you famous! :D

[Jarek Z]

]In this video with terrible music there is Freddy's crash at the end. Very lucky to escape unhurt...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfPfKyCLnDM

I'm sorry but I couldn't stand it for longer than 2 minutes and even after those 2 minutes I feel like I was brainwashed. Shouldn't composing such "music" be banned? ;)

[HaCo]

Do you mean the thumb-up guy? That photo will make you famous! :D

LOL Jarek, they don't learn you counting in Poland? :D :D ;)

[Mirek]

Jarek: It's somewhere around 7th minute. You can switch the sound off as I did :D

[Jarek Z]

LOL Jarek, they don't learn you counting in Poland? :D :D ;)

They do, but if you consider the music I was listening to for the last 2 minutes, you wouldn't accuse me of bad counting :D

And... there are too many people on the second photo. Hiding in the crowd will not make you famous HaCo! It takes the balls of steel to be standing where the thumb-up guy does! Remember the song "Hard As Iron" by Judas Priest? :D

[Jarek Z]

]Jarek: It's somewhere around 7th minute. You can switch the sound off as I did :D

No, please don't remind me of that terrible accident! I was going to buy this car! :D

[HaCo]

Lol JarekZ, it's not my purpose to become famous. But, because you're so interested: from right to left, the third stake in the ground, the guy with the blue vest, next to the photographer. I'm holding my phone in my hand, to see what time Kris is doing on the stage, pitty he didn't made it to the finish.
Cheers ;)

[Veekaa]

video online on www.rallyephotos.be (http://www.rallyephotos.be/)
Tsjoen, Ogier, Bouffier,Duez,... some warm moments. Bouffier is very lucky

Puma meets horse :D :D

O yeah part of it is filmed by 'Thumb-up guy' :D :D :D