Fuji GP weekend thread

[Ranger]

Thought I'd start it.

Raikkonen has topped the timesheet for Practice 1, 3 and a half tenths clear of Massa, then Alonso and Hamilton.

EDIT: times here:

Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:19.119 26
2. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:19.498 + 0.379 27
3. Alonso McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:19.667 + 0.548 27
4. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:19.807 + 0.688 24
5. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:20.058 + 0.939 26
6. Kubica BMW Sauber (B) 1:20.297 + 1.178 26
7. Wurz Williams-Toyota (B) 1:20.411 + 1.292 24
8. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:20.483 + 1.364 32
9. Sutil Spyker-Ferrari (B) 1:20.516 + 1.397 29
10. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:20.601 + 1.482 22
11. Barrichello Honda (B) 1:20.686 + 1.567 24
12. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:20.718 + 1.599 27
13. Heidfeld BMW Sauber (B) 1:20.728 + 1.609 26
14. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:20.808 + 1.689 29
15. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:20.828 + 1.709 28
16. Fisichella Renault (B) 1:20.851 + 1.732 23
17. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:21.186 + 2.067 15
18. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:21.437 + 2.318 18
19. Button Honda (B) 1:21.541 + 2.422 22
20. Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:21.854 + 2.735 18
21. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:22.436 + 3.317 18
22. Yamamoto Spyker-Ferrari (B) 1:22.902 + 3.783 17

[ArrowsFA1]

Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:18.734 38
2. Alonso McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:18.948 + 0.214 34
3. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:19.483 + 0.749 36
4. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:19.711 + 0.977 35
5. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:19.714 + 0.980 29
6. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:19.789 + 1.055 40
7. Fisichella Renault (B) 1:19.926 + 1.192 39
8. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:19.949 + 1.215 33
9. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:19.969 + 1.235 40
10. Kubica BMW Sauber (B) 1:20.069 + 1.335 45
11. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:20.069 + 1.335 35
12. Wurz Williams-Toyota (B) 1:20.233 + 1.499 37
13. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:20.270 + 1.536 43
14. Button Honda (B) 1:20.336 + 1.602 44
15. Heidfeld BMW Sauber (B) 1:20.462 + 1.728 36
16. Sutil Spyker-Ferrari (B) 1:20.736 + 2.002 37
17. Barrichello Honda (B) 1:20.889 + 2.155 33
18. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:20.985 + 2.251 44
19. Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:20.997 + 2.263 38
20. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:21.007 + 2.273 34
21. Yamamoto Spyker-Ferrari (B) 1:21.305 + 2.571 38
22. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:21.352 + 2.618 34

[ShiftingGears]

I get the feeling that Toyota are going to continue their habit of doing well in practice and being nowhere for saturday and sunday :p :

[leopard]

Fairly good instead of being nowhere on either free practice or the race day. :D

BMW looks struggle here

[Cozzie]

WOW! Sutil in P1! McLaren seem to always top P2...

[Valve Bounce]

I just thought I'd come here to say I won't be around in the chat room during quals tomorrow - Going to the G!!

[jens]

Very impressive performance by Sutil and Spyker. :up: Hopefully they can qualify into Top16!

Btw, Rosberg's engine has been changed...




BMW looks struggle here

In that case they should struggle everywhere? They have often been nowhere in FP's, but have almost always been 3rd force in the rest of the weekend.

[King Stromba]

I wonder if any of the drivers will compremise their dry saturday for a softer set up that might help them if it rains. Forecast look like a high chance of it 'drizzling' all sunday, so a full wet set up could win someone the race. BMW?

I still think friday practice might in the end turn out to be a 'wasted' day for the race as the chance of rain seems to be increasing on a daily basis.

Second prsctice is notorious for driver starting to try out qualifying runs (shorter runs), so the times become a little less meanginful, in terms of long run pace, and i think first practice usually gives a better prediction of overall base set up and race pace. So going on that i dont see ferrari having the disadvantage everyone was saying they would, but this is speculation.

Hamilton also looks closer to Alonso than in the last few races, but again we wont know until qualifying, or the race. In spa for example, hamilton was a fair bit slower than alonso until the end of practice when he put in a quick run to equal alonsos best time, so its difficult to predict without seeing the breakdown of all the lasp and when they were done.

My feeling is still that the rain will upset the form book here, and the person who manages the unpredictability the best, will probably come up smelling of roses, and the fastest dry weather car will not necessarily win this one.

[wedge]

BMW looks struggle here

Apparantly Renault got their simulations data right. Also, they added more wing for the final sector.


I wonder if any of the drivers will compremise their dry saturday for a softer set up that might help them if it rains.

Read the latest edition of Motorsport magazine which is a wet weather special issue.

According to Pat Symonds they don't run compromising chassis settings anymore because of larger wheels so you don't have to worry too much about ride height, springs & dampers; the plank still scrapes the floor and aquaplanes because of the downforce generated. You run normal chassis settings and adjust the wing angles according to the conditions.

[Tazio]

90% chance of rain on race day!
http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/JAXX0107.html

[King Stromba]

Currently raining all over the region acccording the weather forecasts and the web cams.

[Valve Bounce]

Currently raining all over the region acccording the weather forecasts and the web cams.

Do you have a link for the web cams, over!!

[osg]

raining in FP3 right now...... start was delayed 30mins due to poor weather. Session is red flagged as we speak.....

[Hotlavaaaa]

Session abandoned. Wasn't there talk when it was announced that Fuji would get a GP that the weather can be unpredictable and they would have problems with fog? Seems the worries have come true.

[ShiftingGears]

Session cancelled!

[ShiftingGears]

Session abandoned. Wasn't there talk when it was announced that Fuji would get a GP that the weather can be unpredictable and they would have problems with fog? Seems the worries have come true.


Indeed. Hopefully it isn't wet enough to get red flagged on sunday!

[Tazio]

Indeed. Hopefully it isn't wet enough to get red flagged on sunday!
well quaifying is going to be interesting, If it doesn't get cancelled.

[ShiftingGears]

What happens if quali does get cancelled?

[Tazio]

What happens if quali does get cancelled?
they will try it on Sunday like Japan '04
http://www.grandprix.com/race/r783p3report.html

The weather - and the forecast for Sunday - is raising questions as to whether it might be commonsense not to take F1 cars to a race track that sits halfway up a mountain in the late autumn.

[donKey jote]

Q1 is go... and it's wet wet wet :D

[donKey jote]

Alonso sitting it out on a drying track? :confused:

[donKey jote]

hamilton spins - only one lap to save it :o :

[donKey jote]

phew

[donKey jote]

ralf cant pass :o :

[donKey jote]

Vettel makes top 10 :o

[osg]

Serious, serious lap by Hamilton at the death. Fantastic to watch.

And how close was he to running up the back of Vettel????? :eek: :eek:

[BeansBeansBeans]

Cracking lap by Lewis. Alonso must be setting his car up again, eh? :rolleyes:

Credit also to Button and Vettel for taking their cars to unforeseen heights.

[Spanish]

Emotion until the end.

Two final laps extraordinary of LH in the Q2 and Q3, although FA has been more consistent, and has rolled habitually more faster than all.

Massa with wet asphalt is single a spectator, and Kimi in these conditions is a step behind the Mclaren.

It will be necessary to see the start and the strategies.

[jens]

Two performances were absolutely incredible. Button, who has already in the past proved that he is one of the best wet weather drivers, put his Honda higher than we have ever seen before this season. It was quite surprising. And of course Vettel - it's the first time, when STR has qualified into Top10. Maybe we are seeing the rise of the new Rainmaster! :D

So it's only the second time this season that Trulli has failed to get into Top10, but that is no news that Toyota can't race in the wet. Before joining Toyota both Jarno and Ralf had several distinguished wet weather performances, but at Toyota they have mostly been at the rear of the grid. A coincidence? Also both JT and RS have won a wet qualifying in their careers.

Massa has been highly criticized in wet/damp conditions, but he did fairly well today, I reckon. His times in Q1 and Q2 were practically equal with Kimi, so the lapdog has been given more fuel on board and dirtier side on the starting grid.

[wmcot]

Let's hope that we haven't watched the most exciting part of the weekend yet!

[BeansBeansBeans]

Let's hope that we haven't watched the most exciting part of the weekend yet!

Hamilton and Alonso on the front row, heading down that lengthy straight into the first corner side by side...I think there may be some fireworks.

[ioan]

Hamilton and Alonso on the front row, heading down that lengthy straight into the first corner side by side...I think there may be some fireworks.

It's about time for them whinnies to turn their words into on track action! :D

[Fallingwater]

Cracking lap by Lewis. Alonso must be setting his car up again, eh?And LH's 30 laps vs. FA's 27 has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's a good thing they're being treated equally and it's all inside Alonso's head. :)

[ShiftingGears]

It's about time for them whinnies to turn their words into on track action! :D

Which hopefully results in a Ferrari 1-2! :D

[VkmSpouge]

Good qualifying session, I just hope it is a wet race tomorrow. Hamilton's last lap was top draw, hopefully he can sustain the pace in the race.
I think the best qualifiers were Jenson Button and Sebastien Vettel. Button is of course exceedingly good in the wet and I suspect he and Honda will be doing rain dances. Vettel getting the Toro Rosso to 8th place was a wonderful effort, he was the star of qualifying.
I don't know what Ralf Schumacher was thinking when trying to pass Yamamoto, there was no way that move was on. Renault clearly lack pace in the wet.

[Eki]

Mutta missä on ollut JJ?

[King Stromba]

I think everyone reads too much into lap times with the possibility of a wet race, lap times become irrelevant, and to an extent so too does grid position.


Lets first ignore the chances of crashing at the start, which are higher if you start further down the grid, and assume everyone makes it through the first corner. As was proven at hungary last year, grid position in the wet in modern F1 is fairly irrelevant, with both schumacher and alonso starting outside the top 10, but totally dominating the opening laps.

The real thing we should focus on is which drivers can race well in the wet, as there is a massive difference between doing a timed lap and racing ona wet track.

Those drivers who understand the how to find the grip but using different lines, those that can adapt better and faster to the conditions are the ones that can win in the wet despite not having the ultimate one lap qualifying pace.

To me on a wet track, Jenson has just as good a chance of winning as does hamilton in 1st. As does vittel. It will not come down to ultimate pace or fuel stratergy but the other factors i have mentioned.

If the track is dry my suspicion is that ferrari will win pretty easily. They were much faster than Mclaren through the speed track and i think their set up is more of a compremise to allow a better dry race if needed. Renault too followed this route, but to a more extreme ends.

Of the front runners Kimi loked a little ragged and i think he will struggle most out of the top 4. Massa looked good, although he may be carrying a little more fuel, so he is still in contention. Hamilton looked faster than Alsono and seemed to have his pace cover, and i dont think they are more than 1 lap different on fuel. However, although alonso didnt have the ultimate pace, he did look more sure footed and consistnt that hamilton.

It will be an interesting race, if its wet it going to be mighty interesting. The sensible drivers should realise that the race isnt won at the first corner, so i wouldnt be suprised to see alonso happy to tuck in behind hamilton to assess the grip and the same for the ferraris at the start.

[Simmo666]

That was a mega lap by Hamilton at the end, but all throughout the long runs they made in Qualifying, Alonso had the quicker race pace, so he could cause Lewis some problems. However, if he can't get past then that's all irrelevant. It could be Indy all over again for him.

[Ranger]

I think a couple of drivers could be buggered for this one because of the weather. ie, If it doesn't rain, Vettel is buggered because as good as his gridslot is, he has a wet (low downforce) setup. Now hopefully it is wet, to see who can dice it out the best in the wet, and also to see some good action.

It's pretty disappointing to see that even this far into the season, no one has won a race from further back than 3rd on the grid, so hopefully that can change tomorrow.

[King Stromba]

Well overtaking in thew wet is less complex as you can take a different line into a corner and still have good exit speed.

If i was Ferrari, i would have gambled everything and gievn Kimi a full wet set up. They have nothing to lose really, and im 100% convinced it will be very wet.

[yodasarmpit]

WOW, what an entertaining race.

Hamiltons drive was fantastic, a bit hard but fair on the start.
Alonso really struggled in the wet unlike some of the old guard like DC and Webber who both did great.
Kimmi had a brilliant race, especially the overtaking move on DC.

Did Massa take a hit for the team at the end by taking that extra pit stop, allowing Kimmi to score more points?

Anyway great race.

[Ian McC]

That was a great race, a lot of brilliant drives today

[AndySpeed]

What was the point in doing 19 laps behind the safety car? At that point the race should have been delayed.

[F1boat]

Hamilton drove well, but sadly, FIA's bias was apparent again - Kubica was penalised for causing an avoidable accident with Lewis, but Vettel, who colided into Alonso, possibly with disastrous consequences, was not.

[Andrewmcm]

Hamilton drove well, but sadly, FIA's bias was apparent again - Kubica was penalised for causing an avoidable accident with Lewis, but Vettel, who colided into Alonso, possibly with disastrous consequences, was not.

Vettel has a 10-place drop on the grid for the next Grand Prix. No point penalising him in the race when he has already retired..........

[yodasarmpit]

but sadly, FIA's bias was apparent again -
I really want to know where you get those drugs :)

[Corny]

What a GP!
Massa drove a good race in my eyes, he was lieing before Kimi when Massa had 3 stops, and Kimi (and all the rest too) had 1..
Webber.. would've liked soo much him winning the GP, there was a realistic chance. Too bad!
Alonso? Breaking under pressure?
Hamilton, well done.. That's the first hand on the title!
Kubica did a very very good race indeed.. I could see him winning a wet GP next year

and WHAT A FIGHT on the last corners between Massa and Kubica.. Aii, long time ago I've seen something like that. Hope no one gets punished for that because that was real racing!

[Sleeper]

Hamilton drove well, but sadly, FIA's bias was apparent again - Kubica was penalised for causing an avoidable accident with Lewis, but Vettel, who colided into Alonso, possibly with disastrous consequences, was not.
That accident looked more like Alonso's fault to me.

Fantastic race from Hamilton, I get the feeling the title is all but done.

[yodasarmpit]

and WHAT A FIGHT on the last corners between Massa and Kubica.. Aii, long time ago I've seen something like that. Hope no one gets punished for that because that was real racing!
Couldn't agree more, that was great racing at the end.

[F1boat]

Vettel has a 10-place drop on the grid for the next Grand Prix. No point penalising him in the race when he has already retired..........

This was for ruining Webbo's race.

[F1boat]

I really want to know where you get those drugs :)

Hungary qualy, Italy's chopped corner...

[tinchote]

Hamilton drove well, but sadly, FIA's bias was apparent again - Kubica was penalised for causing an avoidable accident with Lewis, but Vettel, who colided into Alonso, possibly with disastrous consequences, was not.

The fact that you call the marshalls the "FIA" already shows your bias.

[ozrevhead]

This was for ruining Webbo's race.
too little too late

That was Marks greatest ever chance of a win and that pipsweak ruined it!!

Harsh or not im still majorly p---sed off :angryfire

[Ian McC]

A quick mention to Webber for getting the 'F' word onto British TV and James Allen for more daft commentry, for Kimis last stop "That was the pitstop of a beaten team" and Kubicas incident with Hamilton " oh no! That's rude!"

[Erki]

****, I tell you. ****. **** **** ****.


Yes, I slept in and missed the race. :rolleyes: :\

[VkmSpouge]

An exciting grand prix. A deserved win for Lewis Hamilton who drove faultlessly.
What on earth were Ferrari thinking by going for those intermediates? Whether they received an email from the FIA or not all they had to do was look at the track and see it had to be a full wet tyre race. Massa was all over the place but to his credit he kept plugging away and got some points, a fine dice with Kubica at the end, I wish there was more racing like that in F1. Kimi Raikkonen recovered well and it is to Kovalainen's credit that he held his fellow Finn off in the dying laps.
Have to say I was amazed that Jenson Button was able to keep up a good pace for so long with no front wing, really shows his natural ability in those awful conditions.
Congratulations to Adrian Sutil for scoring his and Spyker's first ever championship point!

[fandango]

Congratulations to Hamilton. A championship-winning drive. It wasn't so much that he was good, but that he didn't make any mistakes, and he was the only one.

Alonso's problems began when he came out of the pits behind all those others. From there it was uphill, so it's better that the championship is decided by a mistake while trying to push than a mechanical failure or a collision with another driver.

Alonso seemed kind of relieved and relaxed on Spanish TV afterwards, saying that now there are no complications, he just has to drive and hope for a miracle...

I thought it was a terrible race. It was too wet for drivers to show their skill in driving, more a lottery of who wouldn't go off. Doesn't take anything away from Hamilton's performance, though. Raikkonen drove well too, but once again too little too late from him.

[BDunnell]

I thought it was a terrible race. It was too wet for drivers to show their skill in driving, more a lottery of who wouldn't go off. Doesn't take anything away from Hamilton's performance, though. Raikkonen drove well too, but once again too little too late from him.

There were others who showed well, I thought. Kovalainen was impressive, as were Coulthard and Sutil. And I thought it was a good race, as wet ones so often are.

[janneppi]

Shame that Ferrari staff can't be bothered to check their emails often enough...Kimi and Massa had a good run from the back of the grid, altough Massa's pit stop was a very clumsy way to give a spot to Kimi.

Great drive from Kovalainen, shame that Kimi is out for good unless Alonso shunts Hamilton and himself off in the following races. :)

[BDunnell]

Shame that Ferrari staff can't be bothered to check their emails often enough...

Maybe they would have taken notice of the order from the FIA if it had been communicated to them by a copy shop owner from Woking.

[ioan]

Shame that Ferrari staff can't be bothered to check their emails often enough

According to Pat Symonds the email was sent 15 minutes after the deadline for the official announcements!


...Kimi and Massa had a good run from the back of the grid, altough Massa's pit stop was a very clumsy way to give a spot to Kimi.

Interesting enough Felipe was doing better in the wet. And was very racy to after that "pit stop"!


Great drive from Kovalainen, shame that Kimi is out for good unless Alonso shunts Hamilton and himself off in the following races. :)

It doesn't happen very often that someone wins against the system.
Why was that emails sent to Ferrari later than it should have been sent?!
Why didn't they delay the race for 1/2 hour instead of running 19 laps behind he SC?! maybe Ferrari would have read the late email and started with the imposed tires?
Was Bernie so scared that the reds will trouble the golden boy's life?

We'll have this tainted championship going for the first time to a rookie, it couldn't have been better, for some!

[markabilly]

Shame that Ferrari staff can't be bothered to check their emails often enough...
. :)


Yes most strange--sort of like running out of gas in the pitlane when headed out to go qualify........ :s pin: :look: :o hplease: :s pin:

[BDunnell]

It doesn't happen very often that someone wins against the system.
Why was that emails sent to Ferrari later than it should have been sent?!
Why didn't they delay the race for 1/2 hour instead of running 19 laps behind he SC?! maybe Ferrari would have read the late email and started with the imposed tires?
Was Bernie so scared that the reds will trouble the golden boy's life?

We'll have this tainted championship going for the first time to a rookie, it couldn't have been better, for some!

If you have proof of these allegations, I'd go to the FIA with it. That's the proper way of going about these things.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

I thought Hamilton drove incredibly well in those conditions and under the pressure. It's amazing to think that if he beats Alonso in one of the last 2 races he's champion. Will two 4th places be enough? or could Alonso still win on a countback? If two 4th's are enough then he can basically 'cruise' to the title :cool:

I felt sorry for Webber and for Vettel. Webber is the unluckiest driver of recent times. Lets hope that Vettel's confidence isn't harmed.

[SGWilko]

Shame that Ferrari staff can't be bothered to check their emails often enough...

I know, in fact, that team are an embarrasment to F1 now. Every single team, bar them get the email, but the laws of ethernet and packet transfer seem to cease to exist for the reds. Must be that same awful IT system that let NS send all their info.

And now they have the tenacity to start complaining about it!

I'll quite happily inspect the email headers stored by the FIA and Ferrari's ISP's and show just when they were received by the Scuderias servers. They'll be taking Bill Gates to court next for cheating.........

:s nore: = IT Dept @ Ferrari.

[BDunnell]

I know, in fact, that team are an embarrasment to F1 now. Every single team, bar them get the email, but the laws of ethernet and packet transfer seem to cease to exist for the reds.

I'm sure we're not in possession of all the facts in this matter. In any case, it's not as if it harmed anyone else but Ferrari.

By the way, is any team or driver able to do anything unproven or make the slightest mistake any more without one or more people labelling them cheats, embarrassments, useless, and so on?

[Andrewmcm]

Why didn't they delay the race for 1/2 hour instead of running 19 laps behind he SC?!

TV scheduling. Starting the race half an hour later may not have meant that it finished on laps rather than being a timed race. Having it running (and running to the time set out for the race in all the TV schedules) meant that it would get aired and not wreak havoc to every major broadcaster worldwide.

[THE_LIBERATOR]

According to Pat Symonds the email was sent 15 minutes after the deadline for the official announcements!


Why was that emails sent to Ferrari later than it should have been sent?!


Have you seriosuly just tried to make it sound like Ferrari recieved the email late, based on what someone from another team said?

[jens]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ine4ehwayAs
Villeneuve vs Arnoux Vol2!! :up:

After the European Grand Prix people hailed Alonso as the rainmaster and Hamilton as a clumsy rookie. Now - and even in harder conditions - it was the reverse. ;) Among the four drivers, who had a theoretical shot at the title before this race, Lewis was the only one, who didn't make any mistakes. Nice rise by the Ferrari drivers. They made several errors (Kimi less and Felipe more), but their battles were great to watch. However, Ferrari was the only team that decided for intermediates in such impossible conditions... That's simply incredible, how much they miss a strong leadership at the area of strategy.

Keeping out SC for so long was quite useless. At one point of the "race" it looked like that one is going to win, who pits earlier than others... (as those, who pit later, drop behind under SC conditions). Considering the tough conditions, it's even surprising that in the end the results were quite "normal": six cars out of eight from this year's Top4 teams finished in the points and so would have done Alonso and Heidfeld if they had finished. And as arguably Renault was running with dry setup, then even a more incredible result for them. Webber continues to be the most unluckiest driver on the grid - at one moment I even thought he is going to win...

And even Yamamoto was clearly quicker than Trulli - okay, THAT is not normal any more...

[Langdale Forest]

It was a very good race, Kovilainen getting his first poidium and Hamilton getting another win.

[BDunnell]

:up: to your analysis, jens. Nice to read some that isn't accusing a team/driver/the FIA of cheating or a grand conspiracy.

[Erki]

Are those e-mails personified? Like, Ferrari gets their own version and Renault gets their own? Why wouldn't they just CC or BC the email to every team? :\

[Tazio]

Exellent job by hamilton. Cograt's to him
Massa wins the Riding Mower competition with RK on last lap

[jso1985]

even if Ferrari got the e-mail after the race started, doesn't the weather conditions before the start were enough to change the tyres? c'mon you have to be really dumb to think you can drive with inters on that conditions or think it will get better...

as for the 19-laps safety period..err... what the hell?

[Flat.tyres]

Are those e-mails personified? Like, Ferrari gets their own version and Renault gets their own? Why wouldn't they just CC or BC the email to every team? :\

No, it's a block email sent to all the teams and interested parties in one go.

[VkmSpouge]

Toro Rosso are appealing the decision to give Vitantonio Liuzzi a 25 second penalty for passing Adrian Sutil under yellow flags, costing the Italian a vital point. If the stewards had enough evidence to see that Liuzzi had passed under yellows I really don't see how Toro Rosso can get the decision over turned.

[BDunnell]

Toro Rosso are appealing the decision to give Vitantonio Liuzzi a 25 second penalty for passing Adrian Sutil under yellow flags, costing the Italian a vital point. If the stewards had enough evidence to see that Liuzzi had passed under yellows I really don't see how Toro Rosso can get the decision over turned.

Yes, but you'd have thought they would have known who won the 2003 Brazilian GP after it had finished, so anything's possible!

[janneppi]

I know, in fact, that team are an embarrasment to F1 now. Every single team, bar them get the email, but the laws of ethernet and packet transfer seem to cease to exist for the reds. Must be that same awful IT system that let NS send all their info.


According to finnish media, FIA sent the email 12:35 local time and was received by all teams exept Ferrari at 12:37, who had the email at 13:37.
Is the Ferrari email system rubbish or did Ferrari have the wrong time in their clocks? ;)

[ioan]

Have you seriosuly just tried to make it sound like Ferrari recieved the email late, based on what someone from another team said?

Yes, because Symonds had no interest to support Ferrari's case.
Do you have something better than that?!

[ioan]

[quote="jens"]

Maybe they forgot that MS retired at the end of last season!

[SGWilko]

Well, if the email was sent from one machine, using one particular ISP and sent to a distribution list (a shot in the dark here, but I guess it might be an entry called '2007 F1 Teams') then the only reason for it being delivered late rests with the teams, not the FIA........ and as all teams bar one got it, what does that suggest?

[Flat.tyres]

According to finnish media, FIA sent the email 12:35 local time and was received by all teams exept Ferrari at 12:37, who had the email at 13:37.
Is the Ferrari email system rubbish or did Ferrari have the wrong time in their clocks? ;)

Not got the clocks wrong have they. Clocks, Tyres, Fuel amounts, dossiers. All coming apart at the seams since RB and NS left the ship. Bit sad really

[Garry Walker]

Interesting enough Felipe was doing better in the wet. And was very racy to after that "pit stop"!


Was he? I thought both Kimi and Felipe were excellent in rain yesterday, despite being hugely unlucky and having bad handling cars set for dry-weather and I would give them both a grade of 9 out of 10.
Anyway, the pitstop he did in the late stages was because he needed fuel, not team-orders. Thinking otherwise is stupid.

The Golden Boy has so much luck, it is amazing. But at least the good thing is that Cheater Alonso only has a very small chance of taking the title.

[markabilly]

Was he? I thought both Kimi and Felipe were excellent in rain yesterday, despite being hugely unlucky and having bad handling cars set for dry-weather and I would give them both a grade of 9 out of 10.
Anyway, the pitstop he did in the late stages was because he needed fuel, not team-orders. Thinking otherwise is stupid.

The Golden Boy has so much luck, it is amazing. But at least the good thing is that Cheater Alonso only has a very small chance of taking the title.


Luck?

it was pit stops that gave LH the win...who is to say what may have happenned later...very smooth move by RD....very smooth and apparently undected :vader:

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Luck?

it was pit stops that gave LH the win...who is to say what may have happenned later...very smooth move by RD....very smooth and apparently undected :vader:

:confused: Sorry, what are you on about?