The racer69 TRD3 DTM Championship Round 8 - Norisring

[johnny shell]

Always one of the best parties of the year, the DTM cars head to Nuremburg next. Jon Brown blew the field away here last year, winning by over 16 seconds, and has been on a hot streek lately. Peter Vuko has finished 2nd here the last two years in a row.

The unknown factor of course are the two speedy Poles, who have never run here.... but Piotr Borkowski has won 4 times in the last 5 races. And let's not forget Real Illusions who has been running at the tail end of the lead pack lately!

http://blogf1.co.uk/images/Circuits/Europe/Norisring.jpg

Race Details

25 Laps
Hard Difficulty
Simulation mode
No cheats like Turbo etc.... to be used
Driving Standards & Corner Cutting to be turned off, but the usual forum rules of 'two wheels on track at all times' (unless you spin off or whatever) must be adhered to.

PM your qualifying time, race time & fastest lap to me by noon Friday August 17th.


New entries welcome at all times :)

Check out real_illusions website http://www.trd3racing.surrealillusions.co.uk/dtm.php for last year's race results, fastest laps etc....

[tannat]

This should actually be fun with CC off.....

[CCFanatic]

39 a top time. I might be able to pull a win. Had very high 39's a few weeks ago. Can't wait.

[real_illusions]

PM your qualifying time, race time & fastest lap to me by noon Friday August 17th.

do you have a time machine by any chance so we can submit our times for several days ago?

;)

[johnny shell]

well, it seems I was the only one who had my results in on time guys!

so I'm the winner!!!

I can't believe no one else even bothered trying. what a pitty :laugh:

But Opel really made a jump in the standings!

results

Qualifying
1. J Shell (Opel)

Over all
1. J Shell (Opel)

Fastest Lap
1. J Shell (Opel)

updated standings to follow! :D

[johnny shell]

I feel bad. so I'm going to extend the deadline until NEXT Friday, September 7th at 3:00 Kentucky time. or so...... :D

[real_illusions]

next friday the 31st? You have some strange calenders and time zones in kentucky..must be all them burgers and fat people distorting the time space continium...

[johnny shell]

haha! I edited already, so no one knows what you're talking about!

[real_illusions]

haha! I edited already, so no one knows what you're talking about!

no one knows what i'm talking about most of the time anyway ;)

[johnny shell]

time received from CCfan :up:

[Brown, Jon Brow]

I could do with some speed for this round

[johnny shell]

I just noticed that the site list this stop's deadline as Sunday Sept 9th, so we'll just stick with that :)

and i also noticed that Peter's time last year was published wrong - JB won my 'just' 7.72 seconds

[johnny shell]

hey real ill - got any pics from a DTM race here that you can get your virtual hands on real easy?

[CCFanatic]

time received from CCfan :up:

There is a member here named CCFan, to tell the people who did not knwo the differnece.


A great race. Close call when Alessandro Margaritas was exiting the pits. Hate how when they exit they cut right to the outside lane where I run.

[Pawprint]

Can anyone clear up whats going on here? If its all DTM, id be interested in a privatear entrant!

[johnny shell]

welcome aboard pawprint! just pick a car, run your race, and PM me your times.. if you got any questions let us know :up:

[CCFanatic]

Your going to have fun. IMO, the best series in gaming. Well the Rfactor CC game is the best, but not the most fun.

Join Team AMG. I have just raced my first race, but could look for some help or give it.

[Pawprint]

thanks guys! Do you just write your time, or do you want a photo, or vid clips, or what?

Ill probs use the Opel - lovely car :) I test-drove the AMG, and though "never again" lol, just the handling seemed so different fro m the audi and the opel.

Paws

[CCFanatic]

thanks guys! Do you just write your time, or do you want a photo, or vid clips, or what?

Ill probs use the Opel - lovely car :) I test-drove the AMG, and though "never again" lol, just the handling seemed so different fro m the audi and the opel.

Paws

No!!! The Canadian doens't want to drive even the Bruno Spengler.

PM you times to Johnny, a Opel teammate, and you are fine.

[johnny shell]

I test-drove the AMG, and though "never again" lol, just the handling seemed so different fro m the audi and the opel.

Paws

yeah, I know what you're saying about the M-B. that's why I made the switch to Opel. Caught a lot of flack for it though - seems the MB drivers get a lot of 'perks'.

but I'm no sell-out! I race for fun, not so I can hang out in the coolest motorhomes & get access to cool street cars & stuff.

but there's no doubt that the really fast guys get some great times out of that hard to tame German beast!

[CCFanatic]

yeah, I know what you're saying about the M-B. that's why I made the switch to Opel. Caught a lot of flack for it though - seems the MB drivers get a lot of 'perks'.

but I'm no sell-out! I race for fun, not so I can hang out in the coolest motorhomes & get access to cool street cars & stuff.

but there's no doubt that the really fast guys get some great times out of that hard to tame German beast!

Sell out! Sell out! I was told by the head of DTM for MB that if you had stayed, you'd had gotten this lovely Monaco suit overlooking the bay. The motorhomes are the best. The F1 team is getting a new one by September and we get the one they had. We get great company cars and the like.

Hard to tame? What are you taking about. The CLK is the best car in the whole grid. Great acceleration, great corning, great braking. Plus the car looks great when a grid girl is spread over the hood.

Pawprint, come to Mercedes Benz!? You get great engineering help from the other drivers, and you get great help on the track(we can't comment on that though).

[real_illusions]

hey real ill - got any pics from a DTM race here that you can get your virtual hands on real easy?

yes..when i went to the see the dtm at the norisring in both 2005 and 2006. The photos are on my website ;)

:)

[Penske_ALMS]

Yeah! More North American field fill--- I mean, Opel drivers. ;) I'm just going to aim not to go a lap down.

[Pawprint]

Well, 2 b honest, im not strictly north american ;)

I just fancied using the Canda flag - its nice :)

[Pawprint]

Also, when is it closed? Have I missed it?

[real_illusions]

Nope..still a few days to go. Deadline is 9th September

:)

[CCFanatic]

Nope..still a few days to go. Deadline is 9th September

:)

I need to stop running the race a few hours after you post the race thread. I wait and wait and in the F3 case, nearly forget.

Yes, I changed 4 tires for the race.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

I need to get these races done :s

[johnny shell]

well the times are coming in for this round!

so far CCfanatic, Penske_ALMS, real_illusions, pawprint, and Jon Brown have submitted times... with many more still expected.

Should be a great turn out this round, with so many new comers making the trip to this festive German town!

JB and real_ill seem to be fast around this circuit, and among the new comers Penske_ALMS is leading the way.

Look for more updates through out this final weekend of action at this year's stop at Norisring.

Come Monday morning the circuit here at these former Nazi party rally grounds gets turned back into public roads.

Once that happens turning a competitive laps is highly discouraged, as it becomes colassally more difficult and dangerous.

[johnny shell]

so how are you liking the transition to pavement racing, Iain?

and for some great pics of the action this weekend check out real illusions web site at http://www.surrealillusions.co.uk/galleries/QuickGal.php?album=DTM+2005+-+Practise/ !!

[real_illusions]

This circuit is one of my favourites. Plus the city itself is a great place to go. I plan to go back there in 2008 for the DTM, as well as Zandvoort and Brands Hatch.

Its very tricky though to keep your concentration for 25 laps here.

:)

[tannat]

Any takes on tire hardness for 25 laps?

Is a pit stop necessary at 100%?

[johnny shell]

no stop needed. just guessing based on my 15 lap run, but with 80% you should be good to go. I could be totally off though.

[real_illusions]

Any takes on tire hardness for 25 laps?

Is a pit stop necessary at 100%?

*lie mode on*

Yes you do need to stop, several times in fact. Every 3 laps i think to make the tyres last. And then again you have to drive very carefully, like Miss Daisy out on a sunday shopping drive in a robin reliant..

*lie mode off*

hope that helps ;)

[Pawprint]

[quote="johnny shell"]so how are you liking the transition to pavement racing, Iain?
/QUOTE]

Moi? Its a hell of a lot harder! Im at least fast on gravel!

[real_illusions]

Moi? Its a hell of a lot harder! Im at least fast on gravel!

you should be quicker on the circuits with alot of run off then ;)

[johnny shell]

likewise, I find it feels very uncomfortable to purposely brake my car loose so that I can fish-tale through the corners when I'm racing on that loose stuff!

[Pawprint]

Ah, I'm sure I'll take time to eventually get up to some sorte of speed! Im much more comfortable in F3 cars, but what DTM event have we still to run? and great tracks?






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[johnny shell]

you can always find the schedules & past results here: http://www.trd3racing.surrealillusions.co.uk/dtm.php

still to go is:
Round 9 - Istanbul GP -> September 10 to September 16
Round 10 - Eurospeedway -> October 8 to October 14
Round 11 - Nurburgring Short -> October 29 to November 4
Round 12 - Hockenheim GP -> November 19 to November 25

we've already run some awesome tracks
Round 1 - Nurburgring Short -> March 26 to April 1
Round 2 - Oschersleben -> April 16 to April 22
Round 3 - Zandvoort -> May 7 to May 13
Round 4 - Brno -> May 28 to June 3
Round 5 - Eurospeedway -> June 18 to June 24
Round 6 - Hockenheim GP -> July 9 to July 15
Round 7 - Spa -> August 7th to August 17th

and the Aussie V8 cars still have Bathurst & Donington to go!

[Pawprint]

Ah, some good tracks, then. Glad I missed Spa, but shame about Brno.

I cant drive Aussi V8's - its just impossible to race without getting spun.

[johnny shell]

that's funny. I find the V8's much more drivable that the DTM's.

well, until I switched to my opel anyway :D

[Pawprint]

I will ALWAYS, 100% GARUNTEE get spun

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Any takes on tire hardness for 25 laps?

Is a pit stop necessary at 100%?

I used 65% tyres and they lasted quite well.

[CCFanatic]

I run mosly default stuff on tires, and change gears and suspension.

[johnny shell]

a likely podium was just submitted by one Peter Vuko :up:

[tannat]

Think I'll be swapping to Audi for the remainder of the season...


I believe we've had some recent additions to the Opel camp, and I haven't noticed an Audi in the results for awhile


I've alwars been a proponent of diverse grids :D

[Pawprint]

I bet Im last... oh well :D

[CCFanatic]

Think I'll be swapping to Audi for the remainder of the season...


I believe we've had some recent additions to the Opel camp, and I haven't noticed an Audi in the results for awhile


I've alwars been a proponent of diverse grids :D

Yes. Opel is failing. Losing key drivers and money. Haha, and Mercedes once again is winning. Soon every driver will abandon the Opel.

[Pawprint]

Ooh, I'll be loyal all right...... under WRC3F.TK and Half Pike Motorsport.

[Peter Vuko]

Pretty happy with the Merc at Norisring. Only had time for one practice,qualifying session & then the race.Did it all in less than 30mins.I was able to get through traffic very well on this track - it did not affect my times at all. Hoping for a podium but I think J.B is very quick here, not to mention Piotr!

[PiotrB]

I think that this round will be hard for me. I'm happy with my qualifying time but race was not so good. Traffic has affect on my lap times but I was going quite fast in "clean track". So I hope that I can get another podium.

[johnny shell]

ran my race saturday morning, after going out 'till late friday night. NOT a good idea!

I could run low 40 second laps, but I was having a real hard time getting in the zone and ran a lot of 41s instead, even some 42s. then my transmission starting slipping & changing gears on it's own.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

ran my race saturday morning, after going out 'till late friday night. NOT a good idea!


I'm shocked at your lack of professionalism Johnny :p

[johnny shell]

Looks like all the times are in!

got times from Piotr, Sloma, tannat, & myself.

and it looks unofficially like Piotr B may have the winning time!

He has a full 9 second lead over a very tight battle for second between JB, Vuko, & Sloma.... those three are seperated by only three seconds.

up next & rounding out the top 5 it looks like real illusions.

also finishing in the points it looks to be myself, tannat, & Penske_ALMS.

Complete official results to follow shortly!

[johnny shell]

I'm shocked at your lack of professionalism Johnny :p

yeah, I would have been better doing the race friday night when I got home! I can drive fine under those circumstances. but when I'm tired & groggy? no way.

lesson learned!

[johnny shell]

Qualifying - DTM Round 8

1.Piotrb 00:38.67
2.Sloma 00:38.91
3.vuko 00:38.93
4.JB 00:39.09
5.j shell 00:39.99
6.real ill 00:40.27
7.penske 00:40.29
8.ccfana 00:40.37
9.tannat 00:40.39
10.pawpt 00:42.11

Great qualifying run by newcomers Penske_ALMS & CCFanatic!

[johnny shell]

Results - DTM Round 8 - Norisring

1.Piotr.....16:41.34 M-B
2.Sloma...16:50.50 M-B
3.vuko.....16:52.37 M-B
4.JB........16:53.52 M-B
5.real ill...17:03.66 M-B
6.j shell...17:24.15 Opel
7.tannat...17:32.88 Audi
8.penske..17:41.06 Opel
9.ccfana...18:02.03 M-B
10.pawprt...18:09.64 ?

[johnny shell]

Fastest Laps
1.Piotrb....00:39.21
2.Sloma....00:39.50
3.JB.........00:39.72
4.vuko.....00:39.72
5.real ill....00:40.27
6.j shell....00:40.62
7.tannat...00:40.79
8.penske ..00:41.21
9.pawprint.00:41.82
10.CCFana.?

[johnny shell]

With four rounds to go that race for second should be phenomenal! Vuko is only 4 points behind young hot shot Jon Brown, but Vuko has out paced JB at 3 out of these last 4 circuits.

Drivers Championship (After Round 8)

1. Piotr Borkowski -> 71 pts
2. Jon Brown -> 57
3. Peter Vuko -> 53
4. real_illusions -> 38
5. BobZee -> 17
6. Johnny Shell -> 15
7. Homer -> 14
~ Tannat -> 14
9. Sloma ->12
10. racer69 -> 8
11.Penske_ALMS -> 5
12.Steven Vuko -> 2
~ Harvick#1 -> 2
14.jso1985 -> 1

and Adam Sloma is rising fast & should be able to secure a top 5 finish in the points as long as his PC & internet connection hold out - with a little help from Bob Zee that is.



Manufacturers Championship (After Round 8)

1. Mercedes Benz -> 78pts
2. Audi -> 28
3. Opel -> 17



DTM Qualifying Kings (After 9 sessions)

1. Piotr Borkowski -> 24 pts
2. Jon Brown -> 13
3. Peter Vuko -> 11
4. Adam Sloma -> 2


Next up is sure to be one of the longest & most challanging races of the year as we head to Turkey & the Istanbul circuit.

New entries welcome at all times! :)

[tannat]

6.j shell....00:40.62
7.tannat...00:40.79

Expected a bit more speed from you, Johnny..

Probably could have taken 6th from you as we had suspension damage around lap 14 which took some time from us....

[johnny shell]

6.j shell....00:40.62
7.tannat...00:40.79

Expected a bit more speed from you, Johnny..


me too! I could run race laps about 40.30 or even lower when I was "on". I don't think I could have caught real illusions though.

But I should have given him a better run that I did.

[tannat]

me too! I could run race laps about 40.30 or even lower when I was "on". I don't think I could have caught real illusions though.

But I should have given him a better run that I did.


r_i has some sort of mystic connection with this place that I don't fully understand.

I think he is chairman of the visitor's bureau, or in major debt to the township... :laugh:

[real_illusions]

r_i has some sort of mystic connection with this place that I don't fully understand.

I think he is chairman of the visitor's bureau, or in major debt to the township... :laugh:

shh..thats supposed to be a secret ;)

[Pawprint]

ooh that spin cost me....

[Penske_ALMS]

Woo whooo! Not last! :D ;)

[Brown, Jon Brow]

After his below par performance in Nuremberg, Mercedes driver Jon Brown has been testing in Turkey trying to find a good set-up for the next round. Unofficial timing suggested that he shaved over 3 seconds off his lap time during the session.

[CCFanatic]

After his below par performance in Nuremberg, Mercedes driver Jon Brown has been testing in Turkey trying to find a good set-up for the next round. Unofficial timing suggested that he shaved over 3 seconds off his lap time during the session.

What's a respectable time in Istanbul?

[Brown, Jon Brow]

1:23ish on soft tyres 1:25 in the race

[real_illusions]

What's a respectable time in Istanbul?

48 seconds flat.

[Peter Vuko]

Happy with 3rd spot, considering I only spent 30 mins on the whole event! I might have to try & peg back J.B for 2nd spot in the series but I'm not getting enough time to really give it my best. Piotr's time was very quick. My laps were in the very low 40's & high 39's for most of the race & I was pretty happy with that. Good to see some newcomers doing well!!!

[PiotrB]

Wow ! Another hat-trick on my worst track in DTMs. I'm suprised. Looks like my tyres choice was perfect (0.75 compound) and looks like I'm really consistent driver :) (just a few 40 seconds laps).

[Adam Sloma]

Wow! I'm 2nd in DTM!!! And I still don't use the 1st gear.

[Adam Sloma]

My fastest laps.

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=P43HjM-jQj4

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Apart form the chicane I take the other corners completely different to you. You seem to swing the car in to the hairpins. I usually brake in a straight line then turn and power around the corner.

Automatic gears doesn't make much difference around Norisring. I won last years round there using an auto :)

[Will L]

Definete swing in those bends, and my god aren't you fast. :D

[PiotrB]

Apart form the chicane I take the other corners completely different to you. You seem to swing the car in to the hairpins. I usually brake in a straight line then turn and power around the corner.

Adam has a really original driving style. I also brake in a straight line with cornering just before the corner. I'd like to brake with cornering so I don't like too strong front brakes. I also driving very smooth because I don't like to slide too much.