Ãœber exciting sauna discussion :p:

[jas123f1]

I never paid attention to that before, but this time in comparison to Felipe and Fernando, Kimi's face was quite colorful.

That a normal "face" for people from north.. especially to them whom like Finnish sauna :D , which they are practicing every weekend, they usually are that red over their whole body. You know, sitting a hafl an our in 100 deg Celsius is a good practise.. but maybe that’s the secret why there are so many Finnish top drivers in rally and racing? You know - sitting in a sauna every weekend from that they are maybe only one or two years old.. :)

[jas123f1]

Sorry - I forgot the link which demonstrate what i was thinking.. :)

[jas123f1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C0I7Ef4gQI

[ioan]

You know, sitting a hafl an our in 100 deg Celsius is a good practise..

You mean 50-60°C, not 100°C for sure.

Question is, why were Felipe and Fernando not red like Kimi?

[janneppi]

You mean 50-60°C, not 100°C for sure.


40-50°C is for children 50-80°C for women, 70-90°C is for normal men like me, and 90-120°C is for "real" men and for competitions. :p :

[Juppe]

You mean 50-60°C, not 100°C for sure.

Question is, why were Felipe and Fernando not red like Kimi?

I do not no, how it is where you come from, but over here it is well known, that, flushing is highly individual phenomenon and it varies greatly from person to person and is at least partly hereditary.

It is typically more pronounced with very pale people than people with more pigmentation - if you you compare to Fernando or Felipe, both have a lot darker skin than Kimi.

And yes, last night when I was in Sauna (about 80 °C), my skin was allover about the same colour as Kimi's face, although I did not feel embarrassed or exhausted in the slightest.

[ioan]

I simply thought it was because of the heat, as he might be less used to them than a Brazilian and a Spaniard.

As for staying in a sauna at around 100°C for an hour it looks like defying the laws of physics, as we all know that water boils at 100°C and I doubt you can live 1 hour at that temperature.

[janneppi]

Finns, while not having to deal with temperatures as hot in outdoors as Southern people,do deal with temperatures higher than found in F1 car cocpits in saunas. :)

Offtopicy...

Half an hour isn't really that bad at 90°C, as it's not the temperatures that get to you, it' the humidity, which is dependant of the amount of water you throw into the stones. :)

As for water boiling at 100°C, you have to remember where you start, human body temperature is at 37°C, for it to reach 100°C against it's own cooling mechanisms would take ages.

[ioan]

As for water boiling at 100°C, you have to remember where you start, human body temperature is at 37°C, for it to reach 100°C against it's own cooling mechanisms would take ages.

You need a colder source to cool yourself when surrounded by air and water particles that are at 100°C.
And in function of your volume it will take more or less but not ages, and definitely not more than 1 hour.

I suppose however that the stones or whatever you use in the sauna are at 80-100°C and not the whole sauna, air comprised.

[janneppi]

I'm guessing you haven't visited a Finnish sauna, it exists and doesn't break the laws of physics. :)

The temperature of stones is much higher than 100°C, when you throw water onto them, it evaporates instantly.
100°C is the temperature measured at a certain level in the room, which is the temperature of the air/water vapor mixture.

Body heat is more than just mass volume heating up, body tries to keep temperature in a certain level, if hot , release heat by sweating which cooles skin by evaporating.

[Flat.tyres]

I'm guessing you haven't visited a Finnish sauna, it exists and doesn't break the laws of physics. :)

The temperature of stones is much higher than 100°C, when you throw water onto them, it evaporates instantly.
100°C is the temperature measured at a certain level in the room, which is the temperature of the air/water vapor mixture.

Body heat is more than just mass volume heating up, body tries to keep temperature in a certain level, if hot , release heat by sweating which cooles skin by evaporating.

Are we talking centegrade or fareinheite :laugh:

Im with ioan on this one. A room temprature of 100 degrees centegrade would blister your skin and scold your lungs although those stupid finns do try it. They even have a championship.

[janneppi]

Oddly enough, where the temperature is 110°C. http://www.saunaheinola.com/ :D

[Juppe]

Are we talking centegrade or fareinheite :laugh:

Im with ioan on this one. A room temprature of 100 degrees centegrade would blister your skin and scold your lungs although those stupid finns do try it. They even have a championship.

As a professional in heat transfer as well as regular Sauna bather - I assure you both that temperatures above 100 °C in Finnish sauna are not uncommon and do not make blisters or scold your lungs.

Neiher it is against physics to have sauna above 100 °C either. It is true that steam coming from the stones is not above 100 °C, but as the heat source is a lot hotter, it can heat up the sauna even more. It just means that above 100 °C the sauna cannot be anymore 100 % humid i.e. saturated.

And you can try how it feels, when you open an oven if you like - you'll notice that a heat of 200 °C will not cause blisters if not exposed to for a long time.

[jas123f1]

You need a colder source to cool yourself when surrounded by air and water particles that are at 100°C.
And in function of your volume it will take more or less but not ages, and definitely not more than 1 hour.

I suppose however that the stones or whatever you use in the sauna are at 80-100°C and not the whole sauna, air comprised.

Isn't it funny, you have never visited Finnish Sauna - but even then - you believe you know better than those Finnish guys which have been in Sauna almost every weekend then they were one or two years old. D:

It really is true that the air temperature can be higher than 100 degrees Celsius and you still can be there. And to make things even worse many people on winter time goes naked out and take a couple “lap” in the snow, rolling around in the snow. The other alternative is to swim a minute or two in a hole in the ice in a lake or a sea.
When you are a bit older, 75 or so, you should take it more careful but many goes in Sauna during whole their life. And I can tell you it’s the same in many places in Sweden too ;)

[Flat.tyres]

As a professional in heat transfer as well as regular Sauna bather - I assure you both that temperatures above 100 °C in Finnish sauna are not uncommon and do not make blisters or scold your lungs.

Neiher it is against physics to have sauna above 100 °C either. It is true that steam coming from the stones is not above 100 °C, but as the heat source is a lot hotter, it can heat up the sauna even more. It just means that above 100 °C the sauna cannot be anymore 100 % humid i.e. saturated.

And you can try how it feels, when you open an oven if you like - you'll notice that a heat of 200 °C will not cause blisters if not exposed to for a long time.

Sorry Juppe, I was not trying to suggest you were wrong, merely that it would just about kill me is what I ment :laugh:

I also know about the 110 world championship (as I mentioned) so wouldn't suggest it was impossible just as holding your finger over a naked flame for a second does not leave a blister.

It was jocular but ioan it seems is serious. Whatever you do though, do not ask him to back up his claim about the laws of physics!!!!

[jas123f1]

Are we talking centegrade or fareinheite :laugh:

Im with ioan on this one. A room temprature of 100 degrees centegrade would blister your skin and scold your lungs although those stupid finns do try it. They even have a championship.

Really? It's not obly finnish people ..

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411365/594597/

The German sauna competition uses the same rules: participants sit in 110-degree heat, with water poured on the stove every 30 seconds to create more steam.

Maybe that's the explanation why Schumi why that good?? :D

[Garry Walker]

I'm guessing you haven't visited a Finnish sauna, it exists and doesn't break the laws of physics. :)

The temperature of stones is much higher than 100°C, when you throw water onto them, it evaporates instantly.
100°C is the temperature measured at a certain level in the room, which is the temperature of the air/water vapor mixture.

Body heat is more than just mass volume heating up, body tries to keep temperature in a certain level, if hot , release heat by sweating which cooles skin by evaporating.

Exactly.

I have been going to saunas since I was a child and have 2 saunas. 90°C is really nothing and I never bother going in at that temperature, I start at 110°C usually. My personal highest temperature that I have gone in is somewhere around 135°C and it is surviveable, as long as you dont throw much water on the stones.
Half an hour in sauna at 90°C is nothing much, but obviously it depends on your culture and experience. For your average finn, that is a piece of cake (I am, btw, not finnish).

I think that for many people, it is weird to know that people go to saunas at such temperatures, I have plenty of experience of that. When I was holidaying at Madeira once, the sauna at the hotel was set at around 60°C and people were finding that a bit hot, whereas for me it was unusually cold.
When I had some friends over from Germany, I invited them to my sauna and we went in at around 85°C. It was ok for a few minutes, until I threw some water on the stones. I had trouble holding back laughter when the germans were running out quickly the moment I had thrown the water :D .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcSI-bAvyQk
Watch that video :D

As for Kimi looking red, it has been explained in this thread well already.

[Garry Walker]

Oddly enough, where the temperature is 110°C. http://www.saunaheinola.com/ :D

I was just reading that link and thinking of going there next year :D

[jas123f1]

Really? It's not obly finnish people ..

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411365/594597/

The German sauna competition uses the same rules: participants sit in 110-degree heat, with water poured on the stove every 30 seconds to create more steam. :D

Maybe that's the explanation why Schumi was that good??

[Flat.tyres]

Really? It's not obly finnish people ..

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411365/594597/

The German sauna competition uses the same rules: participants sit in 110-degree heat, with water poured on the stove every 30 seconds to create more steam.

Maybe that's the explanation why Schumi why that good?? :D

And there was me thinking it was just the Finns that are start, raving bonkers :laugh:

I can see why it'd be good training though. On a hot day, when you peel off your suit and proofs, you feel like you're stepping out of a sauna. I suppose the more used to that environment you are, the better you can function and maintain concentration.

I've never been into the physical side too much as I never needed to but now days, it's fundemental.

[ioan]

I'll take a look at the technical details of those sauna competitions, I doubt that the air and the steam in the sauna is actually at 100°C.

BTW did any of you try to put your hand in boiling water, 100°C or so? I doubt you'll be able to keep it there for more than a fraction of a second, Finnish or not you'll damage your skin.

[janneppi]

Boiling water, however is completely different case than 100°C air.

[Juppe]

I'll take a look at the technical details of those sauna competitions, I doubt that the air and the steam in the sauna is actually at 100°C.

BTW did any of you try to put your hand in boiling water, 100°C or so? I doubt you'll be able to keep it there for more than a fraction of a second, Finnish or not you'll damage your skin.

The difference is in heat transfer coefficient between water/skin and air/skin.

with water it is approximately 1000 - 2000 W/m2°C and with air maybe 5 W/m2°C. Hence the difference.

If you put a ham in an oven it takes about 1,5 - 2 hours to cook, but if you were to boil it in water it is much faster. The reason is the same.

Give it up, I very much know what I'm talking about.

[ioan]

The difference is in heat transfer coefficient between water/skin and air/skin.

with water it is approximately 1000 - 2000 W/m2°C and with air maybe 5 W/m2°C. Hence the difference.

I know it depends on the heat transfer coeff. but sooner or later (in our case later) your body ends up having the same temperature with the hot air. This is why I replied to janneppi's post.

As a side question, what's the use of doing this?!

[janneppi]

I know it depends on the heat transfer coeff. but sooner or later (in our case later) your body ends up having the same temperature with the hot air. This is why I replied to janneppi's post.

As a side question, what's the use of doing this?!
The use is to teach you that humans can easily survive in a 100°C sauna for 30 minutes, even 60 minutes(in normal core temperatures), without breaking the laws of physics or boiling themselves to death. ;)

[tinchote]

I know it depends on the heat transfer coeff. but sooner or later (in our case later) your body ends up having the same temperature with the hot air. This is why I replied to janneppi's post.

As a side question, what's the use of doing this?!

As far as I know, the key is the extremely low humidity (around 5%?).

[janneppi]

As far as I know, the key is the extremely low humidity (around 5%?).
A finnish sauna is pretty humid, as water is thrown on the heated stones
Apparently a bigger issue why it's "comfortable" is a small micro climate very near the skin, which is cooled by body heat opposed to being heated by hot air.
You can test this by blowing on your skin in a sauna , it feels damned hot. :)

(Don't blow on your fellow saunagoers skin, it's concidered rude. Hitting the other guys sholder is concidered a suitable punishment. :) )

[schmenke]

Like Banneppi, I enjoy a sauna at between 100 and 120 deg. C and I'm not even Finnish ;) :p :

[Eki]

You need a colder source to cool yourself when surrounded by air and water particles that are at 100°C.
And in function of your volume it will take more or less but not ages, and definitely not more than 1 hour.

No, evaporation makes things cool down below the ambient temperature. That's what human sweating is about and that's what cooling towers are based on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooling_tower

[A.F.F.]

Oddly enough, where the temperature is 110°C. http://www.saunaheinola.com/ :D

This is time to confess that I'm originally from Heinola :)

[A.F.F.]

I also can't resist to tell you that I invited a certain non-finnish members here from the forum to my sauna last august. Their trip was rather quick and it was funny to notice that the sheets I gave them under their butts were left at the lowest seat of the sauna :D And it was merely 90 degrees of celsius.

[A.F.F.]

As a side question, what's the use of doing this?!
It's social event, hence, a good way to peek chicks naked :D

[Tomi]

I also can't resist to tell you that I invited a certain non-finnish members here from the forum to my sauna last august. Their trip was rather quick and it was funny to notice that the sheets I gave them under their butts were left at the lowest seat of the sauna :D And it was merely 90 degrees of celsius.

lol, did you forget to give instructions how to behave in the sauna?

[Daniel]

I also can't resist to tell you that I invited a certain non-finnish members here from the forum to my sauna last august. Their trip was rather quick and it was funny to notice that the sheets I gave them under their butts were left at the lowest seat of the sauna :D And it was merely 90 degrees of celsius.
I blame the woman :) I would have been happy to stay in for longer and possibly go up to the top level. I just do as I'm told :mark:

[Ian McC]

I dunno, we just go down the pub here :s :p :

[Caroline]

I am sauna softie, I freely admit it.

[Camelopard]

I dunno, we just go down the pub here :s :p :

What, for a Sauna?

I'm a sook when it comes to Saunas as well.

Do the Scandinavians do what the Russians do in Banyas and 'whisk' themselves with branches complete with leaves?

[Drew]

It's social event, hence, a good way to peek chicks naked :D

Finland here I come!

I've been in a Sauna(ssa) and it was quite nice and relaxing but I didn't do it Finnish style (naked). I also wasn't allowed to jump into cold water afterwards, you had to take a shower :p :

One day!

[janneppi]

What, for a Sauna?

I'm a sook when it comes to Saunas as well.

Do the Scandinavians do what the Russians do in Banyas and 'whisk' themselves with branches complete with leaves?
I don't know about Scandinavians, but it's a tradition among Finns, I do it maybe once or twice a year, it takes too much work to make birch vihta for everyday sauna.

[Daniel]

It's social event, hence, a good way to peek chicks naked :D
Or to see naked dudes :D Fancy a sauna next year? Just you and me? :s ailor:

[Tomi]

it takes too much work to make birch vihta for everyday sauna.
They should invent a plastic vihta. :)

[Eki]

Finland here I come!

I've been in a Sauna(ssa) and it was quite nice and relaxing but I didn't do it Finnish style (naked).
Did you wear a fur hat like they do in Siberia?

[schmenke]

They should invent a plastic vihta. :)

I thought it was a "vasta"? :confused:

[Tomi]

I thought it was a "vasta"? :confused:

same thing, it's called vasta too in some parts of the country.

[Camelopard]

A fur hat? Isn't it hot enough already?

[A.F.F.]

Or to see naked dudes :D Fancy a sauna next year? Just you and me? :s ailor:

Damn right I will. :up: Maybe I can show you a few sauna traditions I learnt in prison? :s ailor:

[A.F.F.]

I don't know about Scandinavians, but it's a tradition among Finns, I do it maybe once or twice a year, it takes too much work to make birch vihta for everyday sauna.


That's why I use plain axe :D

[Daniel]

Damn right I will. :up: Maybe I can show you a few sauna traditions I learnt in prison? :s ailor:
Whoops. I think I just dropped the ladle :D

[A.F.F.]

Why don't you pick it up son :s ailor:

[Tomi]

Why don't you pick it up son :s ailor:

its obvious that you have spent some time in swedish sauna too.

[Daniel]

its obvious that you have spent some time in swedish sauna too.
:rotflmao:

[Eki]

A fur hat? Isn't it hot enough already?
I saw the Siberians in a sauna wearing fur hats on TV. They said it was - 50 C outside, so I'm not sure if the temperature in the sauna was much above freezing either.

[A.F.F.]

its obvious that you have spent some time in swedish sauna too.

Javist. :)

[Tomi]

Javist. :)

do you have any cool experiences from turkish steamsaunas too? :)

[Eki]

do you have any cool experiences from turkish steamsaunas too? :)
Or Turkish prisons?

[Daniel]

Or Turkish prisons?
What about American prisons on Cuban soil? ;) :p

[Eki]

What about American prisons on Cuban soil? ;) :p
You always have to turn everything into anti-American.

[Daniel]

Hehe :)