TRD3 Euro F3 series - Part deux! (round 2) [Archive]

real_illusions

16th August 2007, 20:16

Round 2 takes us to Holland and the sea side resort of Zandvoort.

Racing amongst the sand dunes, along side the sea. Plus a few additional rules to help make things interesting.

Handicaps are based on championship positions thru out the series. I will try to make them varied but fair in the course of the season.

For this round, the handicaps are as follows:

Positions 1 and 2 - default settings and start in the middle of the pack. (Adama and Johnny).
Positions 3 and 4 - default settings, except the gears which are free, and start at the front
(Tannt and R_illusions).
Positions 5 and 6 - free settings and start at the front.
(CCFanatic and Penske_ALMS).

This should make the battles a little more interesting, and maybe Adam and Johnny wont be as far ahead this time. Maybe with a bit of luck, one of them might finish below 2nd.

Anyone else who wishes to participate, then let it be known and i shall issue you with appropiate handicaps!

Car Settings - See above.
AI - Hard
Free practise
Corner cutting - off (but at least 2 wheels on the black stuff at all times, unless you crash or decide to run some spectators over or want to go swimming...)
Careless driving - off
Flags - on
**Restarts - only upto the end of lap 1 of each race**

2 races in each round.

Race 1 - 3 laps. No pit stops. A sprint to the finish.

Race 2 - 7 laps with compulsory pitstop where you must stop and change tyres. Fuel - you must take on at least 5 laps worth of fuel. Any damage you want to repair is optional.

Times to be submitted to me no later than August 25th at midnight (ish) british time.

Have fun!

johnny shell

16th August 2007, 20:24

I will do my very best to keep Adam on his toes. at least he knows he has to make SOME effort!

and since he and I having the same settings, it will be obvious to all exactly how slow I am, compared to him. that's nice :D

I am most intrigued by the "no restarts after lap 1" rule. that could REALLY mix things up BIG TIME.

instead of just going for broke then restarting if something happens, we'll actually have to exercise caution - just like in a real car!

good job RI :up:

Adam Sloma

16th August 2007, 20:57

If we (me and Johnny) start in the midle of the pack, then where have we to run qualifications? In time triall mode?

real_illusions

16th August 2007, 21:01

no quali this round

Just need fastest lap and race time this round

:)

CCFanatic

16th August 2007, 21:05

So I just set the car how ever I want and start on the front row? Cool. Swithched the controls to automatic. Might hinder race one, but I think I can catch up to Adam.

johnny shell

16th August 2007, 21:11

but I think I can catch up to Adam.

:eek:

you have much to learn, young grass hopper.

Adam Sloma

16th August 2007, 22:24

Done my 1st race, but I'm to tired to another.

CCFanatic

16th August 2007, 22:34

Done my 1st race, but I'm to tired to another.

Tired? Please. I ran my two races right after each other.

Adam Sloma

16th August 2007, 22:54

Tired? Please. I ran my two races right after each other.

So try do this from the middle, after tough day (10:45 PM) and be 1st on the 3 corner. How many times will you try?

CCFanatic

16th August 2007, 23:18

So try do this from the middle, after tough day (10:45 PM) and be 1st on the 3 corner. How many times will you try?

Ooh, didn't know what time you ran your races. Well, then at that late, I am usually asleep, so you do show some greatness.

Mad cat jnr

16th August 2007, 23:53

Ill run these races if i can before tomorrow.

real_illusions

17th August 2007, 00:33

Mad cat - free setup, front row start for you mate ;)

:)

johnny shell

17th August 2007, 15:05

I know this series doesn't have a lot of cars in it, but I really love it.

welcome to the field madcat the junior!

and really, this time of year V8 only gets 7-9 cars on average, and DTM is like 7-8... so if we can keep it at 6 or more we're fine :up:

Adam Sloma

18th August 2007, 10:13

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=oKyHPt2dAOA

Start of my first race.

Alfa Fan

18th August 2007, 15:01

I will make an appearance in this series at some point I hope. Computer troubles keeping me out atm.

Penske_ALMS

18th August 2007, 18:05

When will the British F3 series race be posted? This is getting fun. :) Not as slow as I though I'd be. ;)

real_illusions

18th August 2007, 23:23

When will the British F3 series race be posted? This is getting fun. :) Not as slow as I though I'd be. ;)

have you not unlocked the rest of the ch'ships on the game then? :/

I did mention in the previous thread on the results post due to a small field, its not much point in splitting the field up for 2 seperate series.

Penske_ALMS

20th August 2007, 21:29

have you not unlocked the rest of the ch'ships on the game then? :/

I did mention in the previous thread on the results post due to a small field, its not much point in splitting the field up for 2 seperate series.

Ohhhhhh. Gotcha'. :o I guess I didn't see that part on the results. But yes, I've unlocked the Bonus F3 Cup.

PiotrB

21st August 2007, 11:49

Can I join? I try to catch you guys.

So I can race with free setup and I can adjust my starting position on 1st?

real_illusions

21st August 2007, 12:47

PiotrB - sure, welcome aboard. Since your pretty quick, i'll give you default settings and start at the front.

Also, another reminder - there is no british series anymore, just the euro one.

Any new entries - need a team name, car number and country to add you to the entry list.

:)

johnny shell

21st August 2007, 15:58

BEEP BEEP BEEP

whooooaaa

back that thing up!

you mean THE Piotr B gets to start in the front and me & Adam have to start in the middle?

I know it's his first race & all but he holds the codies track record on virtually every single track the F3 cars car on.

I'm just sayin.... :bigcry:

real_illusions

21st August 2007, 16:20

hehe...well..yeah i know, but its nice to see some competition ;)

The other alternative is start in the middle with free setup.

I like to see how he goes with default settings.

:)

CCFanatic

21st August 2007, 21:01

Crap. I sent you great times for Snetterton. Winning times.

PiotrB

21st August 2007, 21:19

OK, I'll drive on default setup.

Piotr Borkowski - #7 - Robert Kubica Team - PL

johnny shell

22nd August 2007, 15:47

started practicing last night. WHEW

I propose that we eliminate the no restarts rule. I mean it's cool because it makes you be REAL careful, and you know if you screw up you can't just hit restart. That should mix things up a bit.

BUT, I'm having to put in a LOT of practice laps so that I feel confident that I'll be able to run the races without crashing!

My favorit places to crash are gerlach bocht and renault bocht.

http://www.travelplaces.co.uk/images/A1_grand_prix/zandvoort_circuit.gif

and what's with all those biulding in the background that look exactly the same? hotels or apartments? it reminds me of Russia - where once they designed a building that worked they would just build the same building everywhere!

johnny shell

22nd August 2007, 18:30

I spent a few laps practicing my pit out lap just to get an idea of what the car would feel like on cold tires and extra fuel (FOUR laps extra worth) you know, since if I wrecked I couldn't restart or anything.

so on one lap I wrecked, but I decided to make my way back to the pits to practice another out lap.

and I ended up recreating this very special moment almost to a tee:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3837694089251960979&q=zandvoort&total=2557&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

real_illusions

22nd August 2007, 20:17

thats what you call literally driving the wheels off ;)

CCFanatic

22nd August 2007, 23:57

tannat

23rd August 2007, 05:56

and what's with all those biulding in the background that look exactly the same? hotels or apartments? it reminds me of Russia - where once they designed a building that worked they would just build the same building everywhere!

Zandvoort is a walk away from the seashore. I think the surrounding area is something of a Dutch Daytona Beach, JS :D

tannat

23rd August 2007, 06:00

Finally hit the track for 2 timed laps and 4 untimed (corner cutting or spins).
You'd think I was Loeb on the Monte with the number of times I used the handbrake (very, very deliicately). That goofy S bend in the middle of the lap won't help our lap times very much...

Perhaps a poor finish here will enable us to have free setups at the next venue where we can dial out this understeer of porcine levels...

Penske_ALMS

23rd August 2007, 18:29

Scheivlak, Audi-S Bocht were two tough corners. Scheivlak is deceiving, because it looks like you can flat foot it all the way through.

real_illusions

23rd August 2007, 19:10

Perhaps a poor finish here will enable us to have free setups at the next venue where we can dial out this understeer of porcine levels...

mwhaha!! I have discovered your little plan!

*thinks up an evil plan to slow tannat down even more with shed loads of understeer* ;) :p

Adam Sloma

24th August 2007, 17:07

Done my 2nd race. I've lost rear wing on the last corner of the race. All last lap was a nightmare!
I'm not satisfied from my races. 1st without practise, 2nd with the huge dose of stress and traffic on the last lap. Maybe next races will be better.

CCFanatic

24th August 2007, 21:24

Adam Sloma

24th August 2007, 22:36

I would like to know how you loose a wing on that corner. Did you lose rear traction and spin? Bummer.
You'll see on YouTube.

tannat

25th August 2007, 14:42

Can I have a days extension, r_i?

Daughter is sick, and not sleeping well.

Should be able to get them to you by this time tomorrow.

johnny shell

25th August 2007, 20:58

did my races. no restarts after lap one adds one hell of a twist to the races. It was possible to turn laps in the 1:07's, but I couldn't guarantee myself I wouldn't wreck at that pace I so had to back off to the 1:09's & 1:10's at best.

and even then, I would often run wide exiting corners and get REAL sideways. and once in the long race I completely spun out coming to a complete stop. Luckily I didn't hit anything!

real_illusions

25th August 2007, 21:30

sure tannat..still waiting on piotrb..no times from him and no indication he has done his races.

:)

PiotrB

26th August 2007, 13:35

I've just done my races. I'm happy with results but I was a lot slower in default settings (almost 2 seconds).

I must say that in pit stop I was able to take fuel for only 4 laps not 5 like real_illusions said.

real_illusions

26th August 2007, 22:30

fuel - yeah, i discovered about the fuel when johnny pm'ed me. I didn't know the limit was 4 when i thought up of adding fuel at the stop. But nevermind, i added 4 laps worth, as long as everyone else did!

:)

Results coming soon...

real_illusions

26th August 2007, 22:52

Newcomer (to this series) PiotrB set the pace, as he takes both wins. Penske_ALMS and Tannt took surprising, but no less deserving, podium slots in one race each. Johnny, not able to get on the podium this weekend, has let Adam extend his lead in the ch'ship, while Piotr's double win has brought him up in contention for the championship race.

Race 1

PiotrB - 3:23.09 - (1:06.26) - 10
Adam Sloma - 3:28.61 - (1:07.16) - 8
Tannat - 3:34.14 - (1:16.39) - 6
Johnny Shell - 3:37.79 - (1:09.32) - 5
CCFanatic - 3:47.97 - (1:14.97) - 4
Penske_ALMS - 3:48.12 - (1:14.49) - 3
R_illusions - 3:52.15 - (1:16.88) - 2

Race 2

PiotrB - 8:23.09 - (1:06.00) - 10
Adam Sloma - 8:32.90 - (1:06.93) - 8
Penske_ALMS - 8:47.48 (1:16.02) - 6
CCFanatic - 8:52.01 - (1:14.76) - 5
Johnny Shell - 9:05.32(1:09.81) - 4
R_illusions - 9:26.29 - (1:15.74) - 3
Tannat - 9:28.07 - (1:16.54) - 2

Current Standings after Round 2

1.Adam Sloma - 36
2. Johnny Shell - 25
3. PiotrB - 20
= Tannat - 20
5. CCFanatic - 17
6. Penske_ALMS - 16
7. R_Illusions - 14

Next race sees a return to British soil, as we head to the pre-season test ground of Oulton Park. Details coming up in a few days.

tannat

27th August 2007, 05:12

I think I sent the wrong time for race 1, r_i. Probably shoudl have been 3:54.xx

It was the wee hours and I may have written it incorrectly. My f/lap is correct.

Apologies to all...

real_illusions

27th August 2007, 20:18

No worries Tannat. Thanks for letting me know.

Updated results and ch'ship positions

Race 1

PiotrB - 3:23.09 - (1:06.26) - 10
Adam Sloma - 3:28.61 - (1:07.16) - 8
Johnny Shell - 3:37.79 - (1:09.32) - 6
CCFanatic - 3:47.97 - (1:14.97) - 5
Penske_ALMS - 3:48.12 - (1:14.49) - 4
R_illusions - 3:52.15 - (1:16.88) - 3
Tannat - 3:54.14 - (1:16.39) - 2

Standings

1.Adam Sloma - 36
2. Johnny Shell - 26
3. PiotrB - 20
4. CCFanatic - 18
5. Penske_ALMS - 17
6 Tannat - 16
7. R_Illusions - 15

johnny shell

27th August 2007, 20:42

did everyone in race two remember to make their mandatory pit stop for mandatory tires and fuel?

some of the times don't add up......

Penske_ALMS

27th August 2007, 21:46

Doh. Should of checked time before I sent them. Change that 8:47.48, to a 9:47.48. :eek: Sorry ..... :o Just a typo.

Had an ok decent time in the sprint, but a spin and falling tires really hurt in the long run.

PiotrB

27th August 2007, 23:00

did everyone in race two remember to make their mandatory pit stop for mandatory tires and fuel?

some of the times don't add up......
Yes, I changed my tyres and I take fuel for 4 laps (I couldn't take more).

tannat

27th August 2007, 23:09

Yes, I changed my tyres and I take fuel for 4 laps (I couldn't take more).

Me as well. It wouldn't allow 5 laps of fuel...

real_illusions

27th August 2007, 23:56

johnny shell

28th August 2007, 14:04

I just hope I can keep from spinning out at the next round

CCFanatic

30th August 2007, 21:27

Updated results (again! :P )

Race 2
PiotrB - 8:23.09 - (1:06.00) - 10
Adam Sloma - 8:32.90 - (1:06.93) - 8
CCFanatic - 8:52.01 - (1:14.76) - 6
Johnny Shell - 9:05.32(1:09.81) - 5
R_illusions - 9:26.29 - (1:15.74) - 4
Tannat - 9:28.07 - (1:16.54) - 3
Penske_ALMS - 9:47.48 (1:16.02) - 2

1.Adam Sloma - 36
2. Johnny Shell - 27
3. PiotrB - 20
4. CCFanatic - 19
5 Tannat - 17
6. R_Illusions - 16
7. Penske_ALMS - 13

About fuel - yes i know when i did my races i realised the max was 4. My fault, i didn't check if there was a limit on the pitstops, but evidently there is! Not to worry..cant really re-code the game to make it take 5 ;)

:)

Breaking News
motorsport.com/forum in a deep investigation finds CCFanatic failed to take tires on his required pit stop in race number two. Team Racing's Team Engineer Ron Dennis was not avalible for comment but did corporate with the FIA investigators. Sad news for the young rookie.

I failed to take tires, which takes 10 seconds in the pits. I ask for a stiff penalty for it. Either a time penalty of 15-20 seconds or a points penalty to keep the podium trophy.

johnny shell

30th August 2007, 21:39

Team Racing's Team Engineer Ron Dennis was not avalible for comment but did corporate with the FIA investigators. Sad news for the young rookie.

oh well. it's not your fault. Ron's other driver is probably British and he was trying to help him out at your expense or something! you know how Mr Dennis likes to play favorites!

CCFanatic

30th August 2007, 22:06

oh well. it's not your fault. Ron's other driver is probably British and he was trying to help him out at your expense or something! you know how Mr Dennis likes to play favorites!

Well Ron is on the hot seat and is looking for a way out. Our number one guy is Nigel Mansell's young son Leo and is the pet driver for Ron. He is real pain as he cannot drive and has attempted to attack me twice since he punched me earlier this year.

real_illusions

31st August 2007, 22:20

I will sort out any punishment for CCfanatic when i get back from Donington on the Sunday night. Thanks for the honesty!

:)

Adam Sloma

1st September 2007, 22:36

Race 2
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=EgXpg3Zs_zE

real_illusions

2nd September 2007, 22:27

ok...i think i've worked out a way to punish CCFanatic.

A time penalty like 20 seconds will only drop him one place. A penalty of about 40 seconds (about 3 pitstops) is needed to drop him further down the field. So, I have reached the decision to effectively disqualify him, BUT he still has points for last place. This also means he drops in position in the ch'ship table. However the rules for Oulton in regards to handicaps will stay the same. As not to mess around with anyone who has already done their races or practising.

This may seem a little harsh, but its the only way of seeing a fair way to treat everyone else who had changed tyres. Plus it hopefully makes other people double check the rules before they race ;) :p

Updated standings on the series website.

CCFanatic

3rd September 2007, 02:37

I'll take it. Fine with me. I didn't follow the rules.

Breaking News
Team Racing's, Team Principal Ron Dennis has resigned over the pit debactle with CCFanatic. His replacement has not been named, but it looks as if you will see Team Racing's Crew Chief, Collin Kolles will take over after his firing from Spyker. Also, rumored is former F1 team owner, Eddie Jordan has come out. His presence would be huge for the 17 year old rookie.

The team has recieved a Disqualification over the debacle. Driver, CCFanatic has also been placed on probation from the team. He was quoted in an interview, "The team has fallen apart over this. First with Ron leaving, then the DQ, it has been a tough time for the team, which we might not make it through."

The team's sponsor, Indeck has also pulled their sponsorship on the team.

More news should be coming from a news confrence Tuesday.

Pawprint

6th September 2007, 21:20

In Other News

It has been roumered that a new pravatear team may enter the series in the newar future under the outfit of Half Pike motorsport. WRC3F.TK Motorsport, the Team who ran Iain Johnson's BRC car several seasons ago may also be in on the deal. A driver is yet to be confirmed, but the top possibility is the ex-rally driver himself. More news as we get it.

Wjats happened to Oulton, anyways?