MotoGP - Brno

[tha_jackal]

Thought id get the ball rolling! It is next weekend :) .. Silva (Dantin Formula Xtreme rider) to replace the injured Hoffman, not the widely rumoured Chaz Davies.. Elias will ride injured at 60% fitness according to the man himself..

Bets in!

1. Rossi
2. Stoner
3. Melandri
Pole> Edwards

Peace!

[Corny]

the times I picked Rossi as winner, he didn't win the race.. But I hope he's going to change that now :D

1 Rossi
2 Stoner
3 Pedrosa
Pole Stoner (Bridgestone will have worked on their quali tyres)

[ChrisS]

wildcard entires

250cc class:

#6 Alex Debon (SPA-Aprilia) Aprilia Racing MSMA
#87 Jiri Mayer (CZE-Honda) Klub Racing Team Mayer ACCR
#88 Wang Zhu (CHN-Aprilia) Zongshen Team of China FIM
#89 Zhou Hao Yun (CHN-Aprilia) Zongshen Team of China FIM

125cc class:

#86 Ricard Cardus (SPA-Aprilia) RACC Aprilia FIM
#91 Karel Majek (CZE-FGR) FGR 07 Team ACCR
#92 Parel Pezek (CZE-Aprilia) Pesek Tema ACCR
#93 Michal Prasek (CZE-Honda) Roha'c & Fejta ACCR
#94 Tony Wirsing (GER-Honda) Honda Schumann Reisen FIM

[Roby44]

Thought id get the ball rolling! It is next weekend :) .. Silva (Dantin Formula Xtreme rider) to replace the injured Hoffman, not the widely rumoured Chaz Davies.. Elias will ride injured at 60% fitness according to the man himself..

Bets in!

1. Rossi
2. Stoner
3. Melandri
Pole> Edwards

Peace!


Colin on Pole???? Do you mean the pole at Goldfingers perhaps??? :)

[Roby44]

wildcard entires

250cc class:

#6 Alex Debon (SPA-Aprilia) Aprilia Racing MSMA
#87 Jiri Mayer (CZE-Honda) Klub Racing Team Mayer ACCR
#88 Wang Zhu (CHN-Aprilia) Zongshen Team of China FIM
#89 Zhou Hao Yun (CHN-Aprilia) Zongshen Team of China FIM




More Aprilias for poor Dovi to contend with!!! :eek:

[ozrevhead]

its been a looong break :) havent been so excited about the motogp in years!!

This race is a day before my birthday and a aussie win would be great, a aussie 1-2 would be even better but a aussie podium would be the best!!

[ChrisS]

More Aprilias for poor Dovi to contend with!!! :eek:


nah, the only time the Zongshen bikes will come close to Dovi is when he laps them, and I don't think Debon will be much of a tread either

[Wim_Impreza]

My predictions
MotoGP: 1 Rossi 2 Pedrosa 3 Stoner
250cc: 1 Lorenzo 2 Dovizioso 3 de Angelis
125cc: 1 Pasini 2 Faubel 3 Talmácsi

Unfortunately I can't see the races on TV, because I am the whole weekend in Valkenswaard (NL) for the European Rallycross Championship.

[tha_jackal]

nah, the only time the Zongshen bikes will come close to Dovi is when he laps them, and I don't think Debon will be much of a tread either

Hmm Debon is pretty handy.. The last time he had a wildcard im pretty sure he was running ahead of Dovi, if not, very close.. until he binned it.. :laugh:

If Honda have an off weekend ( something they do alot in the lower cylinder classes lately, wait, even in the premier class :D ) then Debon will take further points from Andrea, no doubt.. This will be a good indication as to how he will fare as Aprilia's number one rider in 08, he should be eager to proove his worth this w.e..

[osg]

Hmmmm............. i keep waiting for something to go wrong with Casey or the bike, but i've been saying that for half the season now. My heart says Valentino, but:

1. Stoner
2. Rossi
3. Pedrosa

[fatman]

Sheeeesh. Im not even going to bother making a wild guess. Rossi has to win. Casey knows he can win. Everyone else has nothing to lose.

At the front expect to see Stoner, Rossi, Dani and Hayden

[ChrisS]

miselenious news

Kawasaki will run in the traditional Kawasaki lime green for Brno and the rest of the season. The metallic green they used up to now wasnt very popular with the fans

[Corny]

miselenious news

Kawasaki will run in the traditional Kawasaki lime green for Brno and the rest of the season. The metallic green they used up to now wasnt very popular with the fans

too bad!
other bad news; Capirossi is with Suzuki for next year, and has an option for 2009!

[jonny hurlock]

http://www.motogp.com/en/motogp/motogp_news.htm?menu=news&news_id=20655&championship_id=3&section=1

kawasaki gone from metalic green livery to classic lime green livery for the rest of the season. backed by Kawasaki fans.

[ChrisS]

It seems no-one reads my posts :bigcry:

I made a post about Loris and Suzuki in the Rumour Mill tread and a post about Kawasaki's colours in the Brno thread

anyway. rather than working hard to change the team colours I think I would be better if they worked to improve the bike ;) (I'm sure they did)

[Wim_Impreza]

other bad news; Capirossi is with Suzuki for next year, and has an option for 2009!

Why is this bad news?

[ZX10R_shaun]

about time i think, yes chris alot of work to change colors, with everything getting changed. can only hope they did some hard work on those bikes too....

[fatman]

i like the lime green better.

[patnicholls]

{threads merged, metallic green to lime green doesn't need it's own one!}

[ZX10R_shaun]

getting back to brno.... hope the train keeps rolling for casey
1st casey
2nd vale
3rd hopkins
and cant forget ant west, hoping for a top 5....well i am dreaming

[tha_jackal]

fatman:-
"i like the lime green better."

Me too :D

[ChrisS]

better quality pic
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2351/k07lkawa001th4.th.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2351/k07lkawa001th4.jpg)

[neninja]

That's what a racing Kawasaki is supposed to look like

Thumbs up from me

[ozrevhead]

HERE WE GO.... :s pin:

1 27 Casey STONER AUS Ducati Marlboro Team DUCATI 1'58.881 16 21 289.1
2 21 John HOPKINS USA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP SUZUKI 1'59.543 22 23 0.662 0.662 279.6
3 65 Loris CAPIROSSI ITA Ducati Marlboro Team DUCATI 1'59.765 22 22 0.884 0.222 286.2
4 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Fiat Yamaha Team YAMAHA 2'00.017 21 21 1.136 0.252 280.5
5 5 Colin EDWARDS USA Fiat Yamaha Team YAMAHA 2'00.198 19 22 1.317 0.181 278.0
6 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team HONDA 2'00.228 23 23 1.347 0.030 285.9
7 1 Nicky HAYDEN USA Repsol Honda Team HONDA 2'00.310 23 23 1.429 0.082 282.3
8 71 Chris VERMEULEN AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP SUZUKI 2'00.398 20 21 1.517 0.088 280.7
9 14 Randy DE PUNIET FRA Kawasaki Racing Team KAWASAKI 2'00.399 16 21 1.518 0.001 283.2
10 24 Toni ELIAS SPA Honda Gresini HONDA 2'00.678 16 16 1.797 0.279 278.5
11 7 Carlos CHECA SPA Honda LCR HONDA 2'00.782 20 20 1.901 0.104 276.9
12 50 Sylvain GUINTOLI FRA Dunlop Yamaha Tech 3 YAMAHA 2'00.895 21 24 2.014 0.113 276.8
13 4 Alex BARROS BRA Pramac d'Antin DUCATI 2'00.988 17 20 2.107 0.093 282.3
14 13 Anthony WEST AUS Kawasaki Racing Team KAWASAKI 2'01.003 17 22 2.122 0.015 280.5
15 33 Marco MELANDRI ITA Honda Gresini HONDA 2'01.318 17 18 2.437 0.315 280.7
16 6 Makoto TAMADA JPN Dunlop Yamaha Tech 3 YAMAHA 2'01.433 24 24 2.552 0.115 278.1
17 56 Shinya NAKANO JPN Konica Minolta Honda HONDA 2'01.559 22 22 2.678 0.126 280.5
18 22 Ivan SILVA SPA Pramac d'Antin DUCATI 2'03.619 19 20 4.738 2.060 278.3
19 80 Kurtis ROBERTS USA Team Roberts KR212V 2'03.662 15 17 4.781 0.043 276.1

Nice Start :D :up:

[maxu05]

I am gobsmacked, Guintoli is fastest in 2nd practice. Wow, this is shaping up to be an interesting race if this keeps up. Bring on qualifying

[tha_jackal]

Its called a qualifying tyre.. and being the only one to use one.. Lol.. i reserve my judgement until race day..

[ChrisS]

Guintoli used a qualifier

Stoner was consistently lapping in the mid 1'58, Hopper was close but not as consistent. It looks like Stoner has this one in the bag. The rest can fight for 2nd place

[osg]

I am gobsmacked, Guintoli is fastest in 2nd practice. Wow, this is shaping up to be an interesting race if this keeps up. Bring on qualifying

imagine what time Casey will pull when he uses his qualifying tyres :rolleyes:

Guintoli's time is worth nothing in FP i'm afraid...... but not according to Sylvian..... :rolleyes:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61582

Guintoli says progress is genuine

By Toby Moody and Matt Beer Friday, August 17th 2007, 17:32 GMT

Brno practice pacesetter Sylvain Guintoli believes his Friday times are indicative of genuine improvement by the Dunlop Tech 3 Yamaha team.

The French rookie beat championship leader Casey Stoner by 0.206 seconds right at the end of the afternoon session, and while Guintoli readily admitted that the team had used qualifying tyres on his best laps, he said that Tech 3 had still made a step forward.

"We used qualifiers, but normally we always use qualifiers and we are between 10th and 15th," he told autosport.com.

"So using qualifiers and being quite a bit in front is brilliant, really.

"We've got more to try tomorrow race tyre-wise, but the qualifiers are working well. That's a good point already because we've often struggled with that.

"We need to just get the race tyre pace better, but race tyre pace was about the same as (Michelin-shod factory Yamaha rider) Colin (Edwards) today, so it's still quite good."

Guintoli believes that his improved fitness after a recent operation on his arms and the experience of testing the Yamaha M1 at Brno after last year's race played a part in his practice performance.

"I feel much, much better in my arms now," he said. "I've had the operation done and I've got a bit of pain in my wrist now, but I think that's because the operation was only three weeks ago. My actual muscles are working much better.

"I always liked this track, and I practised with the M1 last year, so there wasn't so much to learn with the big bikes."

[ChrisS]

fp3

1 27 Casey STONER DUCATI 1'58.002
2 21 John HOPKINS SUZUKI 1'58.653 0.651 0.651
3 14 Randy DE PUNIET KAWASAKI 1'58.939 0.937 0.286
4 5 Colin EDWARDS YAMAHA 1'59.231 1.229 0.292
5 65 Loris CAPIROSSI DUCATI 1'59.347 1.345 0.116
6 71 Chris VERMEULEN SUZUKI 1'59.359 1.357 0.012
7 50 Sylvain GUINTOLI YAMAHA 1'59.460 1.458 0.101
8 26 Dani PEDROSA HONDA 1'59.465 1.463 0.005
9 1 Nicky HAYDEN HONDA 1'59.516 1.514 0.051
10 6 Makoto TAMADA YAMAHA 1'59.590 1.588 0.074
11 4 Alex BARROS DUCATI 1'59.712 1.710 0.122
12 46 Valentino ROSSI YAMAHA 1'59.849 1.847 0.137
13 7 Carlos CHECA HONDA 1'59.892 1.890 0.043
14 24 Toni ELIAS HONDA 2'00.089 2.087 0.197
15 56 Shinya NAKANO HONDA 2'00.353 2.351 0.264
16 13 Anthony WEST KAWASAKI 2'00.472 2.470 0.119
17 80 Kurtis ROBERTS KR212V 2'00.595 2.593 0.123
18 22 Ivan SILVA DUCATI 2'01.362 3.360 0.767

Melandri didnt go out.

[tha_jackal]

Man, hard call on Ant's current position.. It's a track he knows, so in theory he should be doing better than he was at Laguna.. Go figure.. :confused: Although, riding on the 800 he said its pretty well like learning tracks he knows all over again anyway.. Im sure he'll be higher than 18th come QP (fingers crossed) ..

[jim mcglinchey]

Im sure he'll be higher than 18th come QP (fingers crossed) ..


Your'e not wrong Jacko...16th is an improvement.

[ozrevhead]

1 27 Casey STONER AUS Ducati Marlboro Team DUCATI 1'56.884 13 14 291.6
2 1 Nicky HAYDEN USA Repsol Honda Team HONDA 1'57.164 21 23 0.280 0.280 289.2
3 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team HONDA 1'57.179 22 24 0.295 0.015 290.9
4 21 John HOPKINS USA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP SUZUKI 1'57.567 20 22 0.683 0.388 283.7
5 14 Randy DE PUNIET FRA Kawasaki Racing Team KAWASAKI 1'57.599 20 20 0.715 0.032 286.0
6 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Fiat Yamaha Team YAMAHA 1'57.640 24 25 0.756 0.041 284.4
7 65 Loris CAPIROSSI ITA Ducati Marlboro Team DUCATI 1'57.665 16 20 0.781 0.025 289.6
8 71 Chris VERMEULEN AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP SUZUKI 1'57.699 21 22 0.815 0.034 284.1
9 5 Colin EDWARDS USA Fiat Yamaha Team YAMAHA 1'57.702 24 25 0.818 0.003 281.7
10 50 Sylvain GUINTOLI FRA Dunlop Yamaha Tech 3 YAMAHA 1'57.732 23 23 0.848 0.030 282.9
11 56 Shinya NAKANO JPN Konica Minolta Honda HONDA 1'57.969 22 22 1.085 0.237 282.6
12 7 Carlos CHECA SPA Honda LCR HONDA 1'58.143 20 21 1.259 0.174 282.8
13 4 Alex BARROS BRA Pramac d'Antin DUCATI 1'58.204 16 20 1.320 0.061 288.1
14 24 Toni ELIAS SPA Honda Gresini HONDA 1'58.264 22 22 1.380 0.060 286.1
15 6 Makoto TAMADA JPN Dunlop Yamaha Tech 3 YAMAHA 1'58.399 23 23 1.515 0.135 283.2
16 13 Anthony WEST AUS Kawasaki Racing Team KAWASAKI 1'59.386 9 22 2.502 0.987 285.7
17 80 Kurtis ROBERTS USA Team Roberts KR212V 1'59.446 17 22 2.562 0.060 280.7
18 22 Ivan SILVA SPA Pramac d'Antin DUCATI 1'59.721 16 16 2.837 0.275 286.0

Very nice :D :up:

[tha_jackal]

Your'e not wrong Jacko...16th is an improvement.

Ergh.. Looking back, no it isnt.. :confused: Tis strange that Ant is struggling so badly after progressing so well in earlier races.. Lets hope he can pull something out on race day..

[ChrisS]

Yamaha is actually the slowest of the manufacturers, all 4 have bikes ahead of them.

[Corny]

what's wrong with Vale? is it the bike or is it the rider that hasn't got anymore what he got in 2005 and previous?

[ozrevhead]

what's wrong with Vale? is it the bike or is it the rider that hasn't got anymore what he got in 2005 and previous?


or here's a novel idea - hes been beated by a better rider on the day/year

shock horror :rolleyes:

[ChrisS]

Sekiguchi had a bad crash during 250cc warm-up. He is breathing and not in danger

As a result MotoGP warm-up just started with 45 min delay and 125cc race will be delayed 15 minutes.

[ChrisS]

or here's a novel idea - hes been beated by a better rider on the day/year

shock horror :rolleyes:

heres another idea. the easier to ride 800s, launch control, traction control and other electronics took away the advantage he had over other riders because of natural talent. combine that with the fact that Michelin is totally lost this season and the Yamaha engine is working at its limit and yet is way behind and that explains whats wrong with Vale

[ozrevhead]

heres another idea. the easier to ride 800s, launch control, traction control and other electronics took away the advantage he had over other riders because of natural talent. combine that with the fact that Michelin is totally lost this season and the Yamaha engine is working at its limit and yet is way behind and that explains whats wrong with Vale
oh yeah Casey is such a bad driver being made to look good by Ducati and its easier to ride 800's

face it if it was tyres and bikes then why we arent seeing all four factory ducati bikes 1,2,3,4? well

as for traction control - every fecking bike has traction control even Rossi's and its FACT everyone had to start on the same playing feild - all had 800's and all had to deal with control tyres.

Ducati are the best bike
Bridestone are making best tire
and
Casey stoner is the better rider

GOD you rossi fanboys astound me

[T-D]

when rossi was winning 10 races in a season was he not on the best bike and best tires?

rossi does not have the best package, i agree, however when one considers valencia '06 and germany (i think) this year, he has made some very bad errors. he no longer operates at 10/10ths as consistently as he used to.

[tha_jackal]

That race was pretty much the definition of boring.. Rather dull and uninspiring.. Stoner's just in freakish form, thats the long and short of it.. The rest of the field just fight for the scraps..

[ozrevhead]

At the start of the year I would of said 'OK Casey might win one or two races but thats the size of it as he learns on his first year at Ducati and 2nd year in MotoGP'

for him to be leading by 60 and more importantly leading Rossi on a merry dance in just his 2nd year of MotoGP is beyond my(and anyone else's im sure) wildest dreams!

how can that be boring!

[Corny]

booring race

well done, Hayden!
Valentino, are your years over?
Casey for world champion..

I think that's all for today

[jim mcglinchey]

Yeah, it was a bit processional at the front, but all credit to Hopper and Suzuki for easily beating the Hondas. The best racing was for 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th with Chris riding brilliantly to win that scrap, if there'd been another lap he may have gotten by Dani. Suzuki must be very happy with those performances.

[patnicholls]

Not the greatest of races, although pretty good.

The 125s were the best, a good scrap for the win there.

Just want to draw attention to Jorge Lorenzo today - another superb victory firstly, but also to his celebration which was muted compared to usual. We were told during (British Eurosport's) commentary that one of the team members lost his teenage son in a road accident during the week, hence Jorge having some small black ribbons on his bike and not doing the normal OTT celebrations. He also didn't wear his normal gold helmet - he rode out of the pits wearing it and then changed to the helmet he wore for the race on the grid, which had been kept secret by a team member. The helmet he raced in was a replica of Jorge's manager Dani Amatrian's old helmet. He probably wore it as a gesture of thanks for his manager's work so far, but also I reckon as a mark of team togetherness at a tough time. A very nice move by Jorge, I thought - he gets a lot of slating here and everywhere for his supposed attitude, but really it's just an act. (speaking as a Dovi fan)

And a second big thumbs up must go to the Czechs, Hungarians and all others who went to the circuit today. The raceday crowd was 142,000 - absolutely stunning. :D

[osg]

when rossi was winning 10 races in a season was he not on the best bike and best tires?

rossi does not have the best package, i agree, however when one considers valencia '06 and germany (i think) this year, he has made some very bad errors. he no longer operates at 10/10ths as consistently as he used to.

now

[ChrisS]

MotoGP was very boring, you could see that some riders were much faster but they couldnt overtake easily.

BTW did Elias overtake West from the outside? that seem like a nice move but they only showed it for a second.

[T-D]

elias's pass was the only exciting part of the race. on the outside, ailing leg and all.

[leopard]

The another nominee of the worst race ever.

Tires problem again? Rossi might have exceeded Biaggi's complaint on the equipment either the fault of the bike or the tires.

[The Phantom]

How is Sekiguchi? I expect he will not be racing for a while... Elias did an amazing job for having broken his femur only 8 weeks earlier.

I don't think it was boring - in fact I'm yet to be bored by a MotoGP race. Perhaps some of you don't appreciate just what it is you're seeing.

[ShiftingGears]

I nodded off about halfway through - nothing was happening. Great that Stoner won though.

[leopard]

I missed considerable part of the race for falling asleep and it's ok.

The smaller bike is an apparent blessing for Stoner

[axxexs]

How is Sekiguchi? I expect he will not be racing for a while... Elias did an amazing job for having broken his femur only 8 weeks earlier.
..

http://www.ducati.com/clinica_mobile/news.jhtml;jsessionid=YHBKC5SHHEFHCCRNCB3CFFIKFUIH SIV1?news=article&newsId=37355&periodo=

http://62.149.227.206/campetella_news/news_dett.php?id=1433&PHPSESSID=b4253d02e671c9e622836381741bfa1e

[neninja]

Would so many people be saying it was boring if Rossi had won by a big margin?

Doubt it

[jim mcglinchey]

Me too. Wasnt it nice to see the family men come first and second with their wives and fiances waiting with big kisses. Caseys girl is tres nice but Johns has a slutty look thats very attractive, while Rossis big, stoopid male- friend had to wait in the paddock for him. Har.

[The Phantom]

Yeah, breaking records left, right and centre is pretty ordinary these days. Not like when Rossi was doing it.

[Wim_Impreza]

Probably the most boring race of the year. No much overtaking, huge gaps between the drivers. Again a dominating Stoner, but I must say that the Suzuki's impressed me. In Laguna Seca Vermeulen with a second place and now Hopkins. West was a bit disappointing, Rossi off course too. If Stoner has no injuries in the rest of the season, he takes the title. It will be a nice battle for second in the championship between Rossi and Pedrosa.

[neninja]

Good news. Taro Sekiguchi looks likely to be released from hospital in a week.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/23082007/58/250s-sekiguchi-mend.html