If points were given for qualifying...

[jens]

During the winter break we have now enough time to make all kinds of explorations.

If points were also given for qualifying performances, then the Qualification WDC standings would look like that (didn't have willing to compute more results than those from the last six seasons).

2001
1 M. Schumacher Ferrari 136
2 R. Schumacher Williams 72
3 J. Montoya Williams 54
4 D. Coulthard McLaren 50
5 M. Häkkinen McLaren 50
6 R. Barrichello Ferrari 47
7 J. Trulli Jordan 19
8 H. Frentzen Jordan/Prost 8
9 N. Heidfeld Sauber 2
10 E. Irvine Jaguar 1
11 O. Panis BAR 1
12 J. Villeneuve BAR 1
13 G. Fisichella Benetton 1

2002
1 M. Schumacher Ferrari 122
2 J. Montoya Williams 98
3 R. Barrichello Ferrari 88
4 R. Schumacher Williams 63
5 K. Räikkönen McLaren 33
6 D. Coulthard McLaren 27
7 G. Fisichella Jordan 4
8 N. Heidfeld Sauber 2
9 J. Trulli Renault 2
10 E. Irvine Jaguar 2
11 J. Button Renault 1

2003
1 R. Barrichello (!!) Ferrari 95
2 M. Schumacher Ferrari 92
3 J. Montoya Williams 83
4 R. Schumacher Williams 74
5 K. Räikkönen McLaren 69
6 J. Trulli Renault 51
7 F. Alonso Renault 45
8 D. Coulthard McLaren 25
9 O. Panis Toyota 24
10 M. Webber Jaguar 22
11 N. Heidfeld Sauber 10
12 J. Button BAR 9
13 C. Da Matta Toyota 9
14 H. Frentzen Sauber 5
15 J. Villeneuve BAR 5
16 M. Gene Williams 4
17 G. Fisichella Jordan 1
18 A. Pizzonia Jaguar 1

2004
1 M. Schumacher Ferrari 131
2 R. Barrichello Ferrari 97
3 J. Button BAR 83
4 J. Montoya Williams 71
5 F. Alonso Renault 54
6 J. Trulli Renault/Toyota 53
7 R. Schumacher Williams 50
8 T. Sato BAR 49
9 K. Räikkönen McLaren 46
10 M. Webber Jaguar 20
11 D. Coulthard McLaren 18
12 F. Massa Sauber 11
13 G. Fisichella Sauber 9
14 O. Panis Toyota 5
15 A. Pizzonia Williams 4
16 M. Gene Williams 1

2005
1 F. Alonso Renault 119
2 K. Räikkönen McLaren 118
3 J. Trulli Toyota 80
4 G. Fisichella Renault 77
5 J. Button BAR 62
6 J. Montoya McLaren 58
7 M. Schumacher Ferrari 50
8 M. Webber Williams 47
9 R. Schumacher Toyota 30
10 N. Heidfeld Williams 25
11 T. Sato BAR 21
12 C. Klien RBR 15
13 R. Barrichello Ferrari 14
14 D. Coulthard RBR 12
15 J. Villeneuve Sauber 7
16 F. Massa Sauber 3
17 A. Wurz McLaren 2
18 P. De la Rosa McLaren 1

2006
1 M. Schumacher Ferrari 104
2 F. Alonso Renault 103
3 F. Massa Ferrari 94
4 K. Räikkönen McLaren 78
5 G. Fisichella Renault 70
6 J. Button Honda 62
7 R. Barrichello Honda 51
8 R. Schumacher Toyota 31
9 J. Trulli Toyota 28
10 J. Montoya McLaren 22
11 M. Webber Williams 19
12 N. Heidfeld BMW 12
13 N. Rosberg Williams 10
14 P. de la Rosa McLaren 9
15 J. Villeneuve BMW 3
16 R. Kubica BMW 3
17 D. Coulthard RBR 2
18 C. Klien RBR 1

Who wants to make some conclusions, then it's your turn. :)

[Valve Bounce]

jens, are you on Christmas holidays and havn't anything to occupy yourself with? :p :

[harsha]

qualifying is important but it means nothing if you don't finish the race... :p :,

[Dazz9908]

Interesting Thanks jens,
But I 'm a strong believer in no points for Qualifiing.
Fastest lap maybe,

[Rollo]

Starting at the from the front is already a massive advantage and especially at somewhere like Monaco or Hungaroring where passing is difficult at the best of times.

Maybe qualifying should be used as the next statistic after no. of race wins in the event of equal points?

[Ranger]

Maybe qualifying should be used as the next statistic after no. of race wins in the event of equal points?

That would be a good idea, if it weren't for the qualifying fuel load issues which plays a huge part.

What is the current statistic used after race wins? # of laps led?

[555-04Q2]

Fastest lap maybe,

:up: I'm all for that :up:

[Viv]

Me too :up:

[F1boat]

they can make a separate qualy standings for fun. They have one in F1 Powerboat series, I think.

[555-04Q2]

they can make a separate qualy standings for fun. They have one in F1 Powerboat series, I think.

Qualifying means nothing. With variable fuel loads and race strategies, quali times are just another statistic that dont really matter.

[Tomski]

Its called F1 racing not F1 qulafying, fastest lap & racing.


Why not have extra points for best biggest motor home, team manager with most opinions etc.

[555-04Q2]

team manager with most opinions

Mclaren and Dennis the Menace would win every WDC and CC by a mile :laugh:

[Ranger]

Mclaren and Dennis the Menace would win every WDC and CC by a mile :laugh:

Nonsense!

Minardi and Stoddart would've had McLaren SMOKED.

But that'd break tradition, coz that'd mean that Minardi won something, so we can't have that.

[555-04Q2]

Nonsense!

Minardi and Stoddart would've had McLaren SMOKED.

But that'd break tradition, coz that'd mean that Minardi won something, so we can't have that.

I was commenting on current F1 teams. If we take the past into account, then yes, Minardi and Stodgy would win.

[jens]

jens, are you on Christmas holidays and havn't anything to occupy yourself with? :p :

Actually I'm having a pretty busy period (by my standards). :D But that didn't cost me too much time, probably less than an hour. :)

[samuratt]

Interesting Thanks jens,
But I 'm a strong believer in no points for Qualifiing.
Fastest lap maybe,

An extra point for the fastest lap would be nice. :up:

[SuperAguri]

Point for pole and fastest lap.

Qualifying is part of the racing as well in my opinion.

[555-04Q2]

What about a point for best dressed :?:

[schmenke]

F1 is about racing. Drivers should be rewarded for their race result, nothing more.

[andreag]

Starting at the from the front is already a massive advantage and especially at somewhere like Monaco or Hungaroring where passing is difficult at the best of times.
What an example!

Monaco 2006: Michael Schumacher from 22nd to 5th in 78 laps.
Hungary 2006: Fernando Alonso from 15th to 1st in 17 laps.

Yes, passing is difficult.

[janneppi]

Yes, it is. Even despite those rare occurances.

[SuperAguri]

Don't forget it was raining in Hungary though, could have had some effect

[airshifter]

We've already seen teams qualify extremely light just in hopes of leading a few laps. Usually they finish well down in the field.

I'd rather just a point for fastest lap.

[msaxman]

What an example!

Monaco 2006: Michael Schumacher from 22nd to 5th in 78 laps.
Hungary 2006: Fernando Alonso from 15th to 1st in 17 laps.

Yes, passing is difficult.

he's saying usually. not always.

vitantonio liuzzi wins best dressed.

maybe someone should make a poll forum for voting best dressed, best livery, most outspoken team manager 2006.

i think it would be fun to have points given for qualifying and fastest lap. more excitement is always better.

[agwiii]

Interesting idea, and I like it. Other than making historical comparisons difficult (and they're meaningless), I see no disadvantage.

[ioan]

vitantonio liuzzi wins best dressed.



You must be kidding!

[agwiii]

You must be kidding!

Some say it is his piercing good looks!

[stevie_gerrard]

I think they should bring back a point for Pole, and a point for fastest lap would be good as well.

[agwiii]

I think they should bring back a point for Pole, and a point for fastest lap would be good as well.

Yes, and while they're at it, change the other point breakdowns to reward winning. I always liked 9 6 4 3 2 1 -- then add a point for pole and a point for fast lap.

[Hawkmoon]

Yes, and while they're at it, change the other point breakdowns to reward winning. I always liked 9 6 4 3 2 1 -- then add a point for pole and a point for fast lap.

I prefer 10-6-4 etc, but I agree that the winner needs to get more than 2 extra points over second.

As for points for qualifying and fastest lap, you have to ask yourself what's the greater achievement - finishing a Grand Prix in 6th (or 8th) or qualifying on pole? By giving a point for each you are effectively saying that they are equal achievements.

Personally, I think finishing in 6th is the greater acheivement as you have beaten all bar 5 other drivers over the course of an entire Grand Prix.

Realistically, only 3 or 4 drivers are in with a shot at pole so by qualifying 1st, a driver has really only beaten 3 drivers, even though the results say he has beaten 21. Throw in fuel-in qualifying (the abomination that it is) and I don't think pole should be rewarded the same way as the 6th (or 8th) place finisher.

[jens]

Well, as the topic has turned into discussions whether to give a point for quali/fastest lap or not then I'm among those, who do not support that "giving" view.

- The best ones score high points from GP's and fly away in the Championship standings. Why should they get even extra advantage?

- First there was no qualy - race and only race has been and is the decider. Why did qualification session come? Because all the drivers can't start alongside each other on the grid. Qualifying has not been meant to be a race decider - it came because there was no other option. But qualifying has already vital importance and those, who qualify at the back, have small chance of achieving top result. Why make qualifying even more important? The "compelled" part of the weekend that has turned into entertainment only in the modern period.

[agwiii]

What about a point for best dressed :?:

Or the greatest number of piercings? Or tattoos?

[jso1985]

Some say it is his piercing good looks!

I say he looks gay :p :

Seriously I don't like to give points for pole, laps led or other stuff cuz then you would have a valid point to start giving points for things that have little to do with the race.
Fastest lap is ok for me though.
Let's keep the race as the important event, the other ones are just secondary

[agwiii]

I say he looks gay :p :

Seriously I don't like to give points for pole, laps led or other stuff cuz then you would have a valid point to start giving points for things that have little to do with the race.
Fastest lap is ok for me though.
Let's keep the race as the important event, the other ones are just secondary


Since passing is outlawed by the regulations, qualification often IS the race.

[jso1985]

well that's another subject, surely shouldn't be!

[agwiii]

well that's another subject, surely shouldn't be!

Perhaps another subject, but related to considering a point for pole. I'm still waiting for our first double-pole when Kubica is the fast qualifier in a race.