Edwards leave the Busch Series alone

[RaikkonenRules]

Carl Edwards has announced interest in returning for another full time double duty season next year. :mad: Why? He has nothing left to prove, specially since he's praticually guarenteed to win the Busch Series this year. Maybe if he put all of his efforts into Cup he might do better there rather than being half focosed on Busch.

David Ragan, David Reutimann and Dave Blaney also have plans to continue runnning double duty next year.

[Lee Roy]

Maybe he enjoys running the Busch Series. And it is a free country.

[RaikkonenRules]

Even so he and the other part time Buschwackers are turning the series into a joke. Edwards has absolutely no decent full time competion so I suppose we can expect every Busch season from now on to be an Edwards domination borefest. :mad:

[RaceFanStan]

To be the best, you need to beat the best. http://www.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/icons/tongue-anim.gif

[ShadowCar]

Maybe he wants to add "Two Time Busch Champion" to his resume like a few of his peers....Truex, Junior, Harvick, etc.

[harvick#1]

Edwards' championship will have a nice asterisk next to win.

Tell Harvick who is still in charge of the Busch Series ;)

[call_me_andrew]

When there was about 7 Buschwackers to a race, it was cute. When Buschwackers take up more than half the field, it's pathedic. NASCAR should have let the Busch Series die a few years ago.

[colinspooky]

Correct me if I am wrong, and I may well be.

As I understand it, only small crowds went to see Busch races a few years ago.

Then more and more Cup racers joined in and crowds swelled?

Is that nutshell fairly accurate? If so, it speaks for itself. I wonder why people stay away - I saw every lap of every race when I was in Charlotte earlier this year, and practice, and qualifying. And I am no anorak - just enjoy the spectacle.

Shame the locals don't support all the races as they should. Perhaps it is the cost of attending, and maybe the time. But it's only a weekend. I was quite upset at seeing all the empty stands during the truck and Busch races.

:rolleyes:

[ms0362]

Like em or not, the Buschwackers fill in the stands. The series would probably die out without them as Andrew states. Might be a little tough on tracks to to make a weekend out of racing with one series. Less concessions, less souviners etc..etc... They may even add on more to the Cup tickets to cover the loss.

[blakebeatty]

I have always said, that for the money it costs me, a canadian, to venture to the south to watch a race, I want the best bang for my buck. The best racing is provided by the cup boys.

Do you know what the alternative is??? Take Tony George om his offer to have the IRL as the support series on NASCAR race weekends.

[tstran17_88]

Edwards' championship will have a nice asterisk next to win.Why? Does Harvick's also?

[call_me_andrew]

Correct me if I am wrong, and I may well be.

As I understand it, only small crowds went to see Busch races a few years ago.

Then more and more Cup racers joined in and crowds swelled?

Is that nutshell fairly accurate? If so, it speaks for itself. I wonder why people stay away - I saw every lap of every race when I was in Charlotte earlier this year, and practice, and qualifying. And I am no anorak - just enjoy the spectacle.

Shame the locals don't support all the races as they should. Perhaps it is the cost of attending, and maybe the time. But it's only a weekend. I was quite upset at seeing all the empty stands during the truck and Busch races.

:rolleyes:

That is accurate. I remember reading an article a few years ago that reported on low attendence and the impending death of the Busch Series, but I think Buschwackers were around before that. Buschwackers have been around since the start of the series. GP2 can survive with out F1 drivers, so I don't think the series needs NNC drivers to survive. And if it does, cut it loose.

[harvick#1]

Why? Does Harvick's also?

Cause Edwards isn't racing against anyone like Harvick was last year.

last year, there was about 7 cup full timers, now its only 3. and they are Reutimann (who doesn't really count as a Cup wacker and Blaney (when has he ever really been a threat, hes occasionally done good)

Harvick is 3rd in points and has missed about 5-6 races :s

[ShadowCar]

Well, of that group mentioned above...Truex, Junior, Harvick and Edwards...truly only Truex and Junior were actual Busch drivers when they won their championships, not experienced Cup drivers running the Busch series. So I'm thinking if we're giving out *'s, Mr. Harvick needs one too. j/k

I'm not for *'s on anything, though. Winning any championship at any level is an amazing accomplishment. :cool:

[wbcobrar]

With the dawn of COT I think I will be watching more Busch series races in the future . It's not that I hate COT , but I still love the aero cars , and in the Busch series I can get my fix . As for the people who get all bent out of shape about cup drivers in the busch series ....Get A Life .

[harvick#1]

Well, of that group mentioned above...Truex, Junior, Harvick and Edwards...truly only Truex and Junior were actual Busch drivers when they won their championships, not experienced Cup drivers running the Busch series.


what,

Harvick won his First Busch championship in 2001, only his second year in the Busch series, the only reason why he ran the full cup schedule also was cause of Earnhardts untimely death after Daytona. he missed one cup race and still finished 9th in points while winning the Busch Championship. and thats when pulling the double was very hard unlike today.

it was funny too when Harvick was still beating the Cup Veterans in the Busch series in 2000-2001 :p :

[ShadowCar]

what,

Harvick won his First Busch championship in 2001, only his second year in the Busch series, the only reason why he ran the full cup schedule also was cause of Earnhardts untimely death after Daytona. he missed one cup race and still finished 9th in points while winning the Busch Championship. and thats when pulling the double was very hard unlike today.

it was funny too when Harvick was still beating the Cup Veterans in the Busch series in 2000-2001 :p :

Yup, I know that and he did a good job in both series that year but his second one was as a Cup driver going back to Busch. Don't matter really. At any rate, it's an accomplishment regardless. I'm not downing anyone...just commenting on Jr. and Truex both doing it as true Busch drivers twice. ;)

[Aussie12]

Carl Edwards has announced interest in returning for another full time double duty season next year. :mad: Why?

Why not? He wants to be a serious contender in both series (which IMHO is more likely than not). Think of the cool factor if he managed to win the Busch and Cup series in one year. :champion:

[tstran17_88]

Cause Edwards isn't racing against anyone like Harvick was last year.

last year, there was about 7 cup full timers, now its only 3. and they are Reutimann (who doesn't really count as a Cup wacker and Blaney (when has he ever really been a threat, hes occasionally done good)

Harvick is 3rd in points and has missed about 5-6 races :s
I guess you can spin it any way you want. Like Edwards though, the level of competition in the Busch series is the same if you ask me as far as full time cup/busch drivers...just less of them. It's not like Harvick had to beat Gordon, Johnson, Stewart & Kenseth every week to win the Busch series last year.

[Old3Fan]

Even so he and the other part time Buschwackers are turning the series into a joke. Edwards has absolutely no decent full time competion so I suppose we can expect every Busch season from now on to be an Edwards domination borefest. :mad: .

The Busch series will die without bushwackers. The fans in the stands are there primarily to see the Nascar Stars. If more showed up every week then Edwards would not be where he is now probably. Look at last year. Harvick ran all year and he was 100's of points out front.

[tstran17_88]

.If more showed up every week then Edwards would not be where he is now probably. Look at last year. Harvick ran all year and he was 100's of points out front.I disagree, there are just as many Cup guys running the companion races in Busch this year as last, just not as many running the full Busch schedule this year.

[Mark in Oshawa]

NASCAR created the monster, now they cant get it back into the cage. They wanted people to watch the Busch races, so they started encouraging guys to Buschwack, and now it isout of control. I am firmly of the opinion they should just restrict the amount of spots for "Buschwackers" to 15 spots. It isn't fair in some people's eyes, but lets face the reality they have to have a series to grow talent. If CTS is the old folk's senior tour of NASCAR, then Busch has to be where you give guys a taste of the big time. For YEARS Busch races were mainly only contested by regular Cup guys for fun by their own teams (not the team they drive Cup for)and they were run mainly by guys coming up. Now the guys with talent and connections jump to Cup, and then "Buschwack" for the teams that employ them in Cup. It is killing the development of teams, and to an extent the development of drivers.

No, restrict the Cup stars to 15 or 20 spots, and that will leave 23 sport or 28 spots for full time Busch guys. If JPM needs seat time to suppliment his Cup time, then he should have ran Busch in the first place. This is just allowing Cup teams to get guys sooner in their Cup Rides, and then grooming them by pulling double duty every weekend. Doing this has driven veterans out of rides in Cup, while the young guys make their mistakes in Cup.....

It is all out of whack, but I am not sure things will change. I do know why NASCAR wants the full stands on Saturdays as well as Sunday, but it has hurt the development of some of the drivers....

[call_me_andrew]

I don't see how you can restrict how many Cup drivers can start in NBS. You could make a rule that dictates once you've started in 7 Cup races in a season, you can only start in 7 Busch races, and vice versa.

The CTS was the senior tour, now it's where you go to get into the Busch Series spots not already taken by Cup drivers.