Flooding caused by gays, not global warming

[Ian McC]

Where do these people get off! :mad:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/01/nflood201.xml

One diocesan bishop has even claimed that laws that have undermined marriage, including the introduction of pro-gay legislation, have provoked God to act by sending the storms that have left thousands of people homeless.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

GAYS!!! I knew it was them! Even when it was with the car bombs I knew it was them!!!!! :mad:

[Drew]

They get off on pictures of naked children. If they're gonna make stupid statements, I can make semi-true statements :rolleyes:

[Erki]

I don't know where they get off but it ****ing floods!

[BDunnell]

As 'one of them', I would like to own up at this point. We all take collective responsibility. I only had to look at another man in a suggestive fashion for the centre of Sheffield to flood the other week. I'll try not to do it again.

[Robinho]

how dare they!!

the amount of trouble, fighting, was, misery and injustice perpetrated in the name of religon, to blame natural disasters on the ungodly ways is disgraceful, rude and oh so very ironic.

the fact they people think and belive this way is more annoying and scary than the comments thermselves

[slinkster]

I've heard equally ridiculous but sadly similar things. My boyfriend's mum was telling us she's heard that many soceity issues and also homosexuality could be caused by chemicals in plastics. So perhaps our reliance on plastics is to blame instead... ludicrous doesn't even begin to describe it!

[Ian McC]

homosexuality could be caused by chemicals in plastics

:s hock:

You mean your sexuality may depend on which supermarket you shop in! :eek:

[slinkster]

You mean your sexuality may depend on which supermarket you shop in! :eek:

... Indeed. After some stunned laughter we attempted to offer a sound argument but I think she was already considering the possibility there could be some truth in it by that point. I already don't get on with the woman so I kept stum for the sake of all concerned. :rolleyes:

[Ian McC]

I already don't get on with the woman so I kept stum for the sake of all concerned. :rolleyes:


:laugh:

Bless you, I know they say if you want to know what the daughter is going to grow up like look at the mother, I hope in this case it doesn't swap gender :p :

[Hazell B]

For once it wasn't the Archbishop of York placing blame on women/gays/immoral types.

I detest that man, always grabbing headlines with his hogwash. Some of his thinking is superb, most just plain nasty, sexist, homophobic or generally unpleasant. Thanks to him some people think everyone in Yorkshire is equally Victorian :s

[Jefe Máximo]

Oh bummer...

[veeten]

funny, not long ago Islamic clerics had made similar assumptions, that all the recent weather activity was Allah punishing the infidels for their activities in the Gulf.

It's not surprising that some within religious organisations, looking to increase their influence over major parts of the world public, stoop to using catastrophic events to push their own personal beliefs & agendas. The larger the organisation, the higher the amount of arroghance, indifference, and outright boorish the behaivor.

Like that of leaders, governments, and other such things, their power comes from what we ceede to them. Reduce the amount, and it will reduce their stature.

[Rollo]

This is the strange way that co-incidences work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4PthyDuFbk

I was watching Devvo on E4 (this is the only uploaded video I could find of same) and at one point he's standing on top of a motorway overpass and yells the following:

****ing gay cars!
Personally I think he could be onto something here.

Ok, the bishop probably has to make a theological point but even so, you don't get any brownie points my making stupid statements that are unconnected with non-logic.

Lead poisoning in connection with brain damage as a result of cars though... :D

[Eki]

funny, not long ago Islamic clerics had made similar assumptions, that all the recent weather activity was Allah punishing the infidels for their activities in the Gulf.


There was also a group of religious nuts in the US who believed that American soldiers die in Iraq because there are gays serving in the military. They used to harass funerals of fallen soldiers.

[Daniel]

As 'one of them', I would like to own up at this point. We all take collective responsibility. I only had to look at another man in a suggestive fashion for the centre of Sheffield to flood the other week. I'll try not to do it again.
:rotflmao:

[Julia Fox]

There was I,being transgendered,waiting for hellfire and damnation and find out that instead I am causing all this wet weather.
For anybody on this forum who has suffered from the flooding please accept my apologies.

[BDunnell]

For once it wasn't the Archbishop of York placing blame on women/gays/immoral types.

I detest that man, always grabbing headlines with his hogwash. Some of his thinking is superb, most just plain nasty, sexist, homophobic or generally unpleasant. Thanks to him some people think everyone in Yorkshire is equally Victorian :s

:up:

Well said indeed.

[Daniel]

For once it wasn't the Archbishop of York placing blame on women/gays/immoral types.

I detest that man, always grabbing headlines with his hogwash. Some of his thinking is superb, most just plain nasty, sexist, homophobic or generally unpleasant. Thanks to him some people think everyone in Yorkshire is equally Victorian :s
Burn her! She's a witch! :p

[Flat.tyres]

well, i know flooding can be caused by Dykes but hadn't heard it could be caused by Gays?

you've a better chance of getting a camel through an eye of a needle than of betting these self obsessed, publicity seeking fanatics to demonstrate a little tollerance and christian charity.

[millencolin]

doesnt it say somewhere in the bible, 'a man shall love another man' or something along those lines?

[Dave B]

Flooding caused by gays? I'm guessing that's a Daily Express headline, or a badly thought out April Fool? :eek:

[Robinho]

Noah was gay ;)

[Mark]

On a serious point, this is what results in religion being a regressive influence on society when it's taken too literally. I mean, why bother investing in flood defences when you can just pray and persecute members of society you don't like. It's good that we aren't held under by religion any more (not to say we aren't told what to think by other means)

[Flat.tyres]

if were getting all serious about this frankly ludicrous idiot, we might as well open up the discussion as to how to deal with these people.

if they were muslim, we would say that they are fundamentalists, extreemists and should be deported etc.

sad fact is that there are a growing number of extreem mouthpieces that are not exactly being derided too energetically by the church.

if it were a Muslim, we would be accusing other muslims of failing to speak out and acceptance by silence yet these people carry on regardless with their insulting, demeaning, dangerous drivel.

So, we have "human rights" and "free speech" protecting figures like this and those disgusting tossers in America that attend soldiers funerals with babies waving flags insulting them. Are we not just as guilty by failing as a community to say that enough is enough.

And then the odd nutter takes a gun and kills a load of gays, or blacks, or jews, or whites, or muslims, or gingers etc after listening to this crap and acting on it.

Yet we deny our social responsibility by claiming that the Government should have sorted it out :rolleyes:

[BDunnell]

This is a very difficult question when taken seriously, because freedom of religious expression is extremely important. I agree that it would be good if these extreme voices were seen as such by everyone, but, as flat.tyres says, some people take them seriously and then may act upon them. I'm not sure which side I'm on. Can extreme voices be legislated against while retaining freedom of expression, something which sets nations like the UK apart from more totalitarian countries? I'm not sure. It isn't possible to prevent every potential extremist action, sadly.

I agree with Mark about the negative influences of religion when it's taken too seriously. This is, I believe, why the Church of England is largely harmless — the vast majority of its members, including many of its priests, seem to have a sense of humour about their religion and are not closed to engaging with its critics. The same cannot generally be said for Catholicism, nor Islam, in spite of the best efforts of modernisers and moderate voices.

[Eki]

Noah was gay ;)
Try telling that to Noah's Girl face to face.

[KK3869]

Try telling that to Noah's Girl face to face.

lol

[Erki]

Obviously Noah was bisexual then. :) Are bisexual people usually also considered as gays?

[BDunnell]

No, as bisexual.

[Erki]

No, I mean, do the bishops&co find bisexuals also responsible for the floods and hurricanes and traffic congestions?

[inimitablestoo]

I find it hard to believe that gay people could be responsible for causing floods.

However, in other topical matters, one of the first things that came to mind on Saturday was the clip from Channel 4's mid-90s drama Queer As Folk in which a sleighted homosexual man drives a Jeep through the window of a car showroom... :s

[Dave B]

No, as bisexual.
As in the Queen lyric, penned by Freddie Mercury, "I want to ride my bisexual".

:p

[BDunnell]

I find it hard to believe that gay people could be responsible for causing floods.

Don't be homophobic. ;)


However, in other topical matters, one of the first things that came to mind on Saturday was the clip from Channel 4's mid-90s drama Queer As Folk in which a sleighted homosexual man drives a Jeep through the window of a car showroom... :s

:laugh:

Saturday was not a good advertising campaign for Jeep, was it? A bad week for Mercedes, too, with the two Mercs being used for the attempted bombings in London AND the Diana memorial concert reminding people...

[inimitablestoo]

I did wonder if the "terrorists" were merely protesting against the demerger of Daimler and Chrysler. But you're right, why can't gay people be capable of causing major global meteorolgical catastrophes? You couldn't really put them in charge of building an ark and filling it with two of every animal; I wouldn't be convinced of the likelihood of restarting population afterwards :s

[Ian McC]

No, as bisexual.

Hmm, so what are we blaming them for?

[Hazell B]

Hmm, so what are we blaming them for?

Bison poo of course :rolleyes:

Never mind saying sorry, Julia. Get your transgendered ass round to my place and bring you mop and bucket. :p :

[Ian McC]

because freedom of religious expression is extremely important.

Surely that needs to be matched with a level of responsiblity? Anyone of any influence must take into account the consequences of their actions.

[Hazell B]

Surely that needs to be matched with a level of responsiblity? Anyone of any influence must take into account the consequences of their actions.


They know how much they are believed, but if they honestly believe it themselves ..... they are taking into account the consequences.

Which makes it all the more sad, really :s

[BDunnell]

I agree with both of you, Ian and Hazell, even though that might seem deeply contradictory. This really is one of the most difficult issues facing governments at the moment. It's why I don't envy those charged with trying to work through the problems religious differences and certain extremist beliefs can cause.

[Ian McC]

Why should freedom of religious expression give them more freedom to say whatever they like compared to the rest of the population?

[Hazell B]

Why should freedom of religious expression give them more freedom to say whatever they like compared to the rest of the population?


That's a damned good question.

In short, the only reason I can come up with is the fact that they're wearing an official dress (pun intended) while bemoaning gay lifestyles :mark:

[Ian McC]

I don't know if they have so much as a 'chain of command' in the Church but would he have to justify his remarks to anyone? Probably not, even if he did no doubt any such action would be brushed under the carpet like so many things are.

[Hazell B]

As it happens my best mate at school was the daughter of Peter Mullen, a very outspoken vicar.

He was always fielding phone calls from whoever it was above him, so I guess the chain of command can and does work at times. However, he was a lowly vicar and easy to force out of the church. Higher up the ladder I doubt very much can and will be done.

[Crypt]

Gays is latin for: Homo-Efloodis?

Evan Almighty to the rescue!

[BDunnell]

Why should freedom of religious expression give them more freedom to say whatever they like compared to the rest of the population?

As an atheist and someone who feels that religion can be deeply damaging, deep down, I don't think they should. However, freedom of religious expression is quite an essential part of our democracy, and something that makes us better, many would contend, than those nations that prevent it, hence my defence of it.

[Robinho]

As it happens my best mate at school was the daughter of Peter Mullen, a very outspoken vicar.

He was always fielding phone calls from whoever it was above him, so I guess the chain of command can and does work at times. However, he was a lowly vicar and easy to force out of the church. Higher up the ladder I doubt very much can and will be done.

they should all have at least one above them in the chain of command, but i don't think he uses a telephone, just messes with the minds of the religous

[Dave B]

Given today's weather I fully expected to see a Gay Pride march in the street :p

[Julia Fox]

As a punishment it's playing hell with my mascara

[Hazell B]

As a punishment it's playing hell with my mascara


:laugh:

Proof enough for me :up:

[BDunnell]

I was hoping for a plague of locusts, personally. That might have impressed some religious types.

[ShiftingGears]

I think the flooding is more than related to the soon-to-be-released Z-grade movie Noah Almighty. A Jihad on Hollywood!

[Hazell B]

... soon-to-be-released Z-grade movie Noah Almighty.

It's already been released, but hardly anyone noticed ;)