NORF entries

[DonJippo]

Entry list will be updated weekly http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2007-06-08T09-18-16253.pdf

[PuddleJumper]

If the list doesn't grow considerably I'm cancelling my flights. :p :

[Tomi]

If the list doesn't grow considerably I'm cancelling my flights. :p :

lol :)

[Daniel]

If the list doesn't grow considerably I'm cancelling my flights. :p :
Any if it does I'll cancel your flights anyway :p

[DonJippo]

Juho Hänninen has announced his entry to NORF with Mitsu WRC http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/ralli/2007/06/537522

[teufel]

Juho Hänninen has announced his entry to NORF with Mitsu WRC http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/ralli/2007/06/537522

Hope this year he takes care of everything! :up:

[J.Lindstroem]

Juho Hänninen has announced his entry to NORF with Mitsu WRC http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/ralli/2007/06/537522

Nice to see him in the Mitsu Wrc again. This year, he does know the car, so i think we can start demand results from him. He knows the rally very well for sure, hope to see him in top 10 at the end of the rally.

[Zes]

Nice to see him in the Mitsu Wrc again. This year, he does know the car, so i think we can start demand results from him. He knows the rally very well for sure, hope to see him in top 10 at the end of the rally.

Actually, Juho drove his first rally Finland last year where he was excluded after SS9. So he doesn't know the rally very well... Of course the road type should be familiar, but he told that he has never driven for example Ouninpohja. Anyway, now it's time to have some results.

[Koz]

Any chance of Lindholm?
He looked pretty good in 2004 until he crashed(?)...

[Woodeye]

Hope this year he takes care of everything! :up:

Or at least take care of his underwear at least!

[Captain VXR]

Juho Hänninen has announced his entry to NORF with Mitsu WRC http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/ralli/2007/06/537522

Cool :s mokin:

[teufel]

Or at least take care of his underwear at least!

I meant this ;)

[Timole]

It will be interesting to see Juho and Urmo as they will do the rally with the same wrc car.

[Micke_VOC]

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2007-06-21T14-14-40253.pdf
*new link*

Uppdated entrylist

[ettelbruck]

Any chance of Lindholm?
He looked pretty good in 2004 until he crashed(?)...

Practically retired, not a single rally 2007 driven.

[Micke_VOC]

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2007-06-26T14-41-14253.pdf

Uppdated Entrylist again

[DonJippo]

Kristian Sohlberg has confirmed his participation to 2007 NORF with Mitsu WRC http://www.yle.fi/urheilu/moottoriurheilu/looppi/id79259.html

[J.Lindstroem]

Wow, what a great su-prise.

Kristian might be able to kick some asses.

[teufel]

What about Toni? Will he compete NORF this year?

[DonJippo]

What about Toni? Will he compete NORF this year?

Today is the final day for entries so next week we will find out...

[padWRC]

Today is the final day for entries so next week we will find out...

A 206 WRC back in action with R Trivino!
With his old 01 ex Bozian car or a new?

[ZequeArgentina]

A 206 WRC back in action with R Trivino!
With his old 01 ex Bozian car or a new?

Triviño is a disaster, do not expect a single goodtime by him, with this car he is unable to beat group N latinamericans, even not the fastest ones.

Anyway he once said he hinks that in even conditions he can bea Gronholm or Loeb..............incredible.

[jparker]

Triviño is a disaster, do not expect a single goodtime by him, with this car he is unable to beat group N latinamericans, even not the fastest ones.

Anyway he once said he hinks that in even conditions he can bea Gronholm or Loeb..............incredible.

It's good to have spirit, don't you think? :D

[306 Cosworth]

Nice list of entrys there! Good to see Gareth Jones is out in a Stobart Focus WRC04 and Brian O'Mahoney in his S1600 Clio.
Good to see a Punto and 207 S2000 out too :up:

[Motorsportfun]

Anton Alen is greate to see with the works Grande Punto S2000!

[PuddleJumper]

Looks like I won't be cancelling my flights. :p :

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2007-06-30T11-13-00253.pdf

Great entrylist. :up:

[Simmi]

What a great list. Almost too good to be true. It remains to be seen how many of these entries will be on the startline...

[Henkie H.]

i am missing Gardemeister

[Daniel]

Looks like I won't be cancelling my flights. :p :

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2007-06-30T11-13-00253.pdf

Great entrylist. :up:

Wow!

[Woodeye]

Does Khalid Al Quassimi drive the 3rd "official" Ford?

Nice to see those S2000 cars same time with the WRC's. Something to compare...

[alleskids]

Does Khalid Al Quassimi drive the 3rd "official" Ford?

I think more in the way that Anthony Warmbold was entered under the BP Ford World Rally Team banner a couple of years ago.. If Khalid will indeed show up at all. So far he has missed a couple of oppertunities were he was sceduled to appear but stayed home in the sand.

[A.F.F.]

Glad to see that now when YLE no longer procast WRC, Tapio Suominen has decided to get behind wheel himself ;)

[ettelbruck]

Glad to see that now when YLE no longer procast WRC, Tapio Suominen has decided to get behind wheel himself ;)

ha ha...

[noel157]

I see P-G entered in an Evo 9. Has he driven 4WD before?

[Viktory]

I see P-G entered in an Evo 9. Has he driven 4WD before?

yes. Just a few weekends ago I spectated a local rally in Säffle where he drove an Evo 9 Group N, most probably the one he will use in Finland. Not sure if he has driven it on more occasions.

Edit:
here is a picture courtesy of http://www.motorsport4sale.se
http://www.motorsport4sale.se/bilder/2007_bilder/0706a/070609_saffle_2g.jpg

He was 2nd, only 2.7 seconds behind leader Mats Jonsson (in a WRC Escort) after SS2, but gearbox failure ended his rally on SS3.

[MadCat]

Great entry :up:

Does anyone else get the impression Ford might be going for the manufacturers title :p : Thats a lot of cars under the teams name (both main team and Stobart).

[Daniel]

Great entry :up:

Does anyone else get the impression Ford might be going for the manufacturers title :p : Thats a lot of cars under the teams name (both main team and Stobart).
I fail to see how that's linked. Only 2 cars from a team can score.....

[Roy]

Great list!
Total A8 cars: 29 A8 cars

Ford Fucus 11
Mitsubishi lancer (WRC) 9
Subaru Impreza 4
Citroen C4 2
Skoda Octavia 1
Skoda Fabia 1
Citroen Xsara 1

Some I miss:
Where is Gareth MacHale? What rallies he planned?
Gardemeister no money?

And a big surprises. A lot of Focus and Lancer drivers.
Munchi's team and Finland? That was not the plan. The plan was:
Sweden, Mexico, Portugal (they didn't because the crash of a brother in the Companc family), Argentina, Sardinia, Greece, Spain, New Zealand, Japan and GB.
Portugal is switched with Germany was told, do they switched allready Germany for Finland?

[MadCat]

I fail to see how that's linked. Only 2 cars from a team can score.....

Good point :s

[noel157]

yes. Just a few weekends ago I spectated a local rally in Säffle where he drove an Evo 9 Group N, most probably the one he will use in Finland. Not sure if he has driven it on more occasions.

Edit:
here is a picture courtesy of http://www.motorsport4sale.se
http://www.motorsport4sale.se/bilder/2007_bilder/0706a/070609_saffle_2g.jpg

He was 2nd, only 2.7 seconds behind leader Mats Jonsson (in a WRC Escort) after SS2, but gearbox failure ended his rally on SS3.

Thanks Viktory. He should do well. FWD is ideal for learning 4WD.

[A.F.F.]

I fail to see how that's linked. Only 2 cars from a team can score.....

Stobart cars can score points away from Citroen.

[Daniel]

I somewhat doubt that Latvala is going to get in front of Seb and also doubt that either of them will probably get in front of Sordonnen without him having trouble.

[A.F.F.]

I somewhat doubt that Latvala is going to get in front of Seb and also doubt that either of them will probably get in front of Sordonnen without him having trouble.

I somewhat don't doubt Latvala will get in front of Sordo.

[Daniel]

I bet you a Makkara he doesn't :p I don't have faith in the junior flying finn :)

[DonJippo]

I somewhat don't doubt Latvala will get in front of Sordo.

Latvala Jr. is not the only Stobart Ford in front of Sordo...

[User]

No Duval, but NORF was on his todo list?

[Josti]

No Duval, but NORF was on his todo list?

So was Portugal and Sardinia, but he didn't appeared there either. Maybe it's for the best, cause let's be honest, theirs not much to expect from him in Finland. I hope he will do Germany, much more chance for getting a good result there.

Big shame that Gardemeister will not do Finland for the second time in a row :\ , great entrylist though.

[jparker]

I somewhat don't doubt Latvala will get in front of Sordo.
Both of them are quick, but kind of flaky. They both make mistakes. I guess luck will play role for the outcome.
I don't see H. Solberg being quicker then Latvala or Sordo, and he makes mistakes too. Also, he had lost 2 direct fights with Sordo.
Based on the above, anything is possible, we just have to wait and see.

[A.F.F.]

I bet you a Makkara he doesn't :p I don't have faith in the junior flying finn :)

I'll take that bet :)

[teufel]

Miss Barratt also there ;)

[Brother John]

No Duval, but NORF was on his todo list?

Duval will maybe return in Germany as a replacement of Daniel Carlsson at Kronos team with the Citroën Xsara!

[MikeD]

Duval will maybe return in Germany as a replacement of Daniel Carlsson at Kronos team with the Citroën Xsara!

Only 1 Kronos has entered fpr Finland. It will be hard for the team to find a driver who can do 6 of the remaining 7 events.
Will they lose their M2 points if they can't?

[DonJippo]

Only 1 Kronos has entered fpr Finland. It will be hard for the team to find a driver who can do 6 of the remaining 7 events.
Will they lose their M2 points if they can't?

No, Kronos has an agreement with FIA for the situation so they won't lose their points.

[Roy]

No, Kronos has an agreement with FIA for the situation so they won't lose their points.

And what say the other teams???
As fan of WRC I would say: @#&**##@@@!!!!!

[jparker]

And what say the other teams???
As fan of WRC I would say: @#&**##@@@!!!!!

And as fan of WRC what do you say about Gronholm not excluded from Sardegna?

[because]

Hi everybody ;)

In Finland please everybody must see this guy.he is very succesful

Emre Yurdakul Can Erkal TR TR Ford Rallye Sport Turkey Ford Fiesta ST N 3 :up: :up: :up:

[Wim_Impreza]

Hi everybody ;)

In Finland please everybody must see this guy.he is very succesful

Emre Yurdakul Can Erkal TR TR Ford Rallye Sport Turkey Ford Fiesta ST N 3 :up: :up: :up:


He did well in the Turkish championship with Ford Focus WRC in the first rallies.

[Roy]

And as fan of WRC what do you say about Gronholm not excluded from Sardegna?

Italy? Excluded? Do I miss something?

[jparker]

Italy? Excluded? Do I miss something?
Yes, I think you did miss something.

[Roy]

Yes, I think you did miss something.

Pitty you don't say what... Nothing happend than...

[jparker]

Pitty you don't say what... Nothing happend than...
Well, ask yourself the question "How can car missing spare wheel can still not be underweight?", and you will find your answer.

[Roy]

Well, ask yourself the question "How can car missing spare wheel can still not be underweight?", and you will find your answer.

Now we're talking. I don't think Ford Focus has few weight. Mikko and Marcus had the same in Germany 2006. No penalty either... I think it is ok, if not... then FIA can't calulate, only at windowscreens :\ :D And they deserve a penalty/excluded. Yes, but why not in Germany and Italy? It would be save weight then.

@DonJippo: Why is this agreement between FIA and Kronos? Do you know more about this?

[L5->R5/CR]

Well, ask yourself the question "How can car missing spare wheel can still not be underweight?", and you will find your answer.



Or maybe. Since the loss of the spare wheel was the result of a rally incident, and not having a spare on a rally that is prone to punctures, there wasn't a penalty worth awarding.

IF Marcus had removed the spare intentionally at any point other than it falling out in the middle of the stage he should have been excluded. Since the loss of the spare was a case of force majeur why the witch hunt.

This all presumes that there isn't now a spare ejector button on the Focus WRC07....

[amberie]

First, Ford wins an award for the innovative design of carrying the spare tyre.

Now, it keeps getting knocked out in the middle of the stage.

I think Loeb is right in saying that Ford needs to redesign it so it doesn't cause any major accidents. The incident in Sardinia wasn't on purpose, but the same thing happened to Matt Wilson (in NZ 2006, I think?). They should've fixed the problem then.

[DonJippo]

@DonJippo: Why is this agreement between FIA and Kronos? Do you know more about this?

Just what I read ...FIA and Kronos managed to negotiate a contract for the remaining of the season in Sardinia due to the withdrawal of D. Carlsson. Kronos will run Manfred as planned in all events and in those that were on Daniel's calendar Kronos has to pay entry fee for two cars even they run only one car.

[Koppomsbo]

yes. Just a few weekends ago I spectated a local rally in Säffle where he drove an Evo 9 Group N, most probably the one he will use in Finland. Not sure if he has driven it on more occasions.




In Säffle PG drove an Evo 7 that he rented from Magnus Henriksson, this Evo 9 he has bought in Finland.

[DonJippo]

Well, ask yourself the question "How can car missing spare wheel can still not be underweight?", and you will find your answer.

Car was weighted by FIA and found not to be underweight.

[jparker]

Car was weighted by FIA and found not to be underweight.

Yes, I know, but how do you explain this strange fact? Why was the car running with extra weight?

[Daniel]

Yes, I know, but how do you explain this strange fact? Why was the car running with extra weight?
The cars don't run at 1230kg's most of the time the cars are a bit heavier. It's not a strange fact. It's the way it's always been.

[jparker]

The cars don't run at 1230kg's most of the time the cars are a bit heavier. It's not a strange fact. It's the way it's always been.

No offence, but I choose not to believe you. Did you suck this info out of your fingers?

[DonJippo]

No offence, but I choose not to believe you. Did you suck this info out of your fingers?

Here are some fingers for you...for years a Finnish motorsport magazine "Vauhdin Maailma" has had all technical details of the manufactures cars per every WRC event included in their event reports and very seldom has the weight of any car been close to minimum level, mostly it's about five to ten kilo's over it...

[jparker]

Here are some fingers for you...for years a Finnish motorsport magazine "Vauhdin Maailma" has had all technical details of the manufactures cars per every WRC event included in their event reports and very seldom has the weight of any car been close to minimum level, mostly it's about five to ten kilo's over it...

I don't really care about your famouse magazine. All I can say is for them who uses thin glass to save few grams, it doesn't make sence to run car with 10 extra kilos.

[L5->R5/CR]

I don't really care about your famouse magazine. All I can say is for them who uses thin glass to save few grams, it doesn't make sence to run car with 10 extra kilos.



A few grams at the top of the car versus 10 kilos at the bottom.

Makes a big difference in the theoretical design.

This of course hinges on the fact that maybe M-Sport was too lazy to check the windows and they were always made too thin and it wasn't intentional in the first place (not saying I believe it but why put your less than legal parts on a customer car, clearly the customer doesn't care about the last ounce of possible speed versus having a reliable, fast, and legal car).

I think the window debacle was due to simple lack of attention to detail, which IMO is worse than cheating.

[Daniel]

I don't really care about your famouse magazine. All I can say is for them who uses thin glass to save few grams, it doesn't make sence to run car with 10 extra kilos.
Perhaps you should spend some time listening to people rather than just saying "I don't believe you" because it doesn't agree with what you want to see.

[Micke_VOC]

I see P-G entered in an Evo 9. Has he driven 4WD before?

In Swedish Rally 2004 he drove a Mitsu. EVO7, he did very well.
Was number three after the first day, then he was second after two stages the second day, then he did go off and lost a lot of time.

http://www.pgandersson.se/bilder/webbpub-n/dokument/P-G_1.jpg

[mdesign]

I don't really care about your famouse magazine. All I can say is for them who uses thin glass to save few grams, it doesn't make sence to run car with 10 extra kilos.
LOL. I guess you are trying to prove to yourself that ford cheats lol. I guess that if they wanted to cheat they would get something ingenious like Toyota did, not a cartoon like system that leaves pieces on the way for the next contender lol. Specially because the lost of the spare wheel could cost them the all rally (if they puncture cannot replace the tyre, and might not get to service park); and a lost wheel might just be caught by any other ford (in that case, instead of be calling them cheaters, they would be called patetic).

[jbanbury]

During the Acropolis the tour operator I travelled with arranged for Julian Porter to give a 'talk' to our party ...

He spoke about the Marcus wheel issue in Sardinia. Apparently Ford sent out a helicopter to retreive the spare wheel (after Companc notified the team as to the exact whereabouts of the wheel on the stage) which was subsequently returned to marcus prior to his arrival at weight control. Hence no weight issue.

Dont know if it's true but thats what we were told.

[Simmi]

They couldnt get away with something like that in this modern age of television cameras. Loeb immediately spoke of the wheel when he finished the stage so the organisers surely must have known.

The whole thing is a bit of a grey area to be honest. Cars frequently come back with a lot less body parts then they start the stage. That's the nature of rallying and this was why I thought teams factored in a bit more weight in case a large section of the car was missing, causing it to run light.

I dont really know how it works but theres no advantage at all in being lighter, but having lost a crucial spare wheel or a key piece of aerodynamics.

[J4MIE]

Marcus had had a puncture earlier in the day so didn't think to stop to try to change it, but kept driving back hoping the tyre wouldn't disintegrate.

The FIA/event organisers looked at the situation and made their decision accordingly, I can't believe this is still being discussed :confused:

The cars don't run to the minimum weights all the time, in fact with rough events like the Acropolis or Sardinia it's often better to run heavier with a stronger car.

I remember picking up the sheet giving all the weights of the cars when they were weighed at various times throughout the rally, I will have to see if I still have it.

[Daniel]

Marcus had had a puncture earlier in the day so didn't think to stop to try to change it, but kept driving back hoping the tyre wouldn't disintegrate.

The FIA/event organisers looked at the situation and made their decision accordingly, I can't believe this is still being discussed :confused:

The cars don't run to the minimum weights all the time, in fact with rough events like the Acropolis or Sardinia it's often better to run heavier with a stronger car.

I remember picking up the sheet giving all the weights of the cars when they were weighed at various times throughout the rally, I will have to see if I still have it.
Don't bother! JParker knows best ;)

[jbanbury]

They couldnt get away with something like that in this modern age of television cameras. Loeb immediately spoke of the wheel when he finished the stage so the organisers surely must have known.

The organisers did know ... there is nothing in the rules to say that you have to drive the complete stage with all 5 wheels on the car. As long as the wheel was in the car and the car was not late for the weigh control, then no rules have been broken.

[MikeD]

Does anybody know ...

a.) if Gareth Jones's Ford is run by M-Sport or by Ramsport?

b.) and Jukka Ketomäki's Skoda Octavia. Which team is running that car?

c.) Ricardo Triviño's Peugeot 206 WRC, will that be run by Bozian?

d.) And what team is running Jarmo Mikkonen's Peugeot 206 WRC?

Thanks in advance :)

[MJW]

Does anybody know ...

a.) if Gareth Jones's Ford is run by M-Sport or by Ramsport?

:)

Neither - It's Dom Buckley IRS

[ettelbruck]

Does anybody know ...

b.) and Jukka Ketomäki's Skoda Octavia. Which team is running that car?



His very own, bought from Czech 2006, originally driven by Stig Blomqvist and then in Hungary and Czech Rep. 2006 Neste he retired in Vaheri. Drives Finnish Championship rallies on grp N but Octavia on special occasions.

[MikeD]

His very own, bought from Czech 2006, originally driven by Stig Blomqvist and then in Hungary and Czech Rep. 2006 Neste he retired in Vaheri. Drives Finnish Championship rallies on grp N but Octavia on special occasions.

Thanks :) . Does his team have a name?

[Miika]

Since 1997 Finn Toni Gardemeister has lived the life of international rally driver. In season 2007 he has rallied selected WRC-events with Mitsubishi Lancer WRC. How in first weekend of July Gardemeister enters Finnish Rally Championship event with his group-F BMW M3 rally car. A year ago in same competition he gained superiour victory in class of group-F. Now it's time again for his home event and defending the title.

– In spring 2006 my group-F BMW M3 rally car was complitely build for usage. In debut rally it prooved it speed as I gained victory. Because you have to defend your titles I decided to enter the event again. Its' also my home event because I've lived my childhood in same area as the rally route is going to be. Also this rally is an excellent event to keep up my rallying touch for forthcoming WRC Finland, told Gardemeister for his participation in Finnish Rally Championship event.

Now what does that mean? "to keep up my rallying touch for forthcoming WRC Finland" He´s not on the entry list.. or does he mean the Vetomies competition?

[306 Cosworth]

What happened to the talk about Finland then :mark:

[pantealex]

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2007-07-03T19-35-51253.pdf

pages 3 and 4 you will find entrylist with numbers

[padWRC]

Does anybody know ...

c.) Ricardo Triviño's Peugeot 206 WRC, will that be run by Bozian?

d.) And what team is running Jarmo Mikkonen's Peugeot 206 WRC?

Thanks in advance :)

Trivino bought in the end of 2005, a Peugeot 206 WRC from Bozian,
2001 version,chassis nr 14, reg plate 3976 XR 69.

Not run this car since Mexico 2006!(disquallif)

I suppose that Jarmo bought the 206 wrc full spec 2003 ex Hulkkonen,Tuohino!

[DonJippo]

i am missing Gardemeister

Toni will be driving in the national event "Vetomies" that follows the WRC event on Saturday stages 15, 16, 18, 19 & 20 with his very own BMW M3.

[Daniel]

So basically Group F? :)

[DonJippo]

So basically Group F? :)

Yes Group F, here you can find few in-car videos from 2006 O.K Auto rally he drove with his BMW M3.

http://www.tonigardemeister.com/secretfiles.php

[Daniel]

Excellent :) Group F was one of the highlights for me in 2005 other than sleeping through the Himos stage :)

[Koppomsbo]

Yes! I love the Gruop F cars :D

[Racing Ka]

Official Entries List:
http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2007-07-06T09-22-18253.pdf

[noel157]

Official Entries List:
http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2007-07-06T09-22-18253.pdf


Is that the official seeded entry list? Or still just entries received?

[DonJippo]

Is that the official seeded entry list? Or still just entries received?

Just entries received.

[noel157]

Just entries received.


Thanks DJ, guess it'll be a couple of weeks or so before the seeded list is released.

[pantealex]

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2007-07-13T10-23-38253.pdf

List of Entries in seeded order

[Brother John]

Toni will be driving in the national event "Vetomies" that follows the WRC event on Saturday stages 15, 16, 18, 19 & 20 with his very own BMW M3.

Where do you find the entry list from "Vetomies" or Group F?

[pantealex]

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2007-07-12T10-24-4710.pdf

Entrylist for "vetomies" f-group (2wd no turbo, old homogolation)

some pickems
206 Toni Gardemaister BMW M3 e36
265 Laura Ylä-Lyly (formely Rämänen) women driver with english speaking co-driver Duncan McNiven Opel Manta B

[Brother John]

Thanks for the link, i won´t to see this cars too! :up:


http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2007-07-12T10-24-4710.pdf

Entrylist for "vetomies" f-group (2wd no turbo, old homogolation)

some pickems
206 Toni Gardemaister BMW M3 e36
265 Laura Ylä-Lyly (formely Rämänen) women driver with english speaking co-driver Duncan McNiven Opel Manta B

[Micke_VOC]

PG Andersson testing his new Mistsubishi EVO IX...
see pictures/movie on http://www.pgandersson.se/ go to "bilder"
movie and pictures from me.

He gonna be a really good competitor to Flodin , Alen and all fast finnish drivers.

[jure dvorsek]

No way that anybody could seriusly chalenge A.Alen-if his Punto will work properly, he will beat all others in N4 class for at least a minute or two. Yust look results from Russia....

[Tomi]

No way that anybody could seriusly chalenge A.Alen-if his Punto will work properly, he will beat all others in N4 class for at least a minute or two. Yust look results from Russia....

The competition will be much tougher now, this time it is not a walk truh stages.

[Koppomsbo]

No way that anybody could seriusly chalenge A.Alen-if his Punto will work properly, he will beat all others in N4 class for at least a minute or two. Yust look results from Russia....

Do you think that is oppenents are equaly good this rally??

[Addicted]

No way that anybody could seriusly chalenge A.Alen-if his Punto will work properly, he will beat all others in N4 class for at least a minute or two. Yust look results from Russia....


I believe that S2000 is yet competitive in Finland because roads so are much faster than they have been elsewhere. Also some quite fast drivers taking part in NORF, like Ketomaa, Flodin and PG Anderson.

Average speeds in Russia were mostly under 100 km/h and NORF will be closer to 110 km/h. But it will be interesting to watch if Alen can challenge top guys. And when will Alen`s participation be confirmed?

[N.O.T]

Alen wasn't having it easy in russia....the retirmenets of his rivals lead to that big gap....

[jonas_mcrae]

Good to see mexican Ricardo Triviño in the entry list with 206wrc, not specting much from him though...

[jparker]

The competition will be much tougher now, this time it is not a walk truh stages.
What about Turkey? Was that walk through stages?
From what I see, Finland will be such a walk for him, I don't see anyone in group N able to challenge him.

[Tomi]

What about Turkey? Was that walk through stages?
From what I see, Finland will be such a walk for him, I don't see anyone in group N able to challenge him.

Dont know nothing about Turkey but normally it is more about luck than driving skill there. I think, Ketomaa, Andersson, Flodin, maybe Teiskonen and Miettinen too, can challenge him in 1000 Lakes.

[N.O.T]

Turkeys stages this year were very smooth and very fast....the IRC event had nothing to do with the WRC one

Alen is one of those kids with a well known father.....Wilson anyone ??? another wannabe with sponsor support....

[Tomi]

Turkeys stages this year were very smooth and very fast....the IRC event had nothing to do with the WRC one

Alen is one of those kids with a well known father.....Wilson anyone ??? another wannabe with sponsor support....

Agree, a win or few in minor series like IRC or simular tells nothing yet, but good that he has something to build on, hopefully he want become one of those so many who belive their carreer ended because of lack of sponsors.
Just more km :s for Anton, and then against bigger challenges.

[jparker]

Turkeys stages this year were very smooth and very fast....the IRC event had nothing to do with the WRC one

Alen is one of those kids with a well known father.....Wilson anyone ??? another wannabe with sponsor support....

No, no, no, N.O.T. Please don't compare Alen with Wilson. No much to compare I think.

[N.O.T]

well Little alen prefers to win in minor leagues while little wilson to be ridiculed in the Big one !!!

Better to rule in Hell than to serve in heaven i guess....

[Tomi]

well Little alen prefers to win in minor leagues while little wilson to be ridiculed in the Big one !!!

Better to rule in Hell than to serve in heaven i guess....

It's easier to get support, when you approach sponsors if you can show some progress, at the moment its the same what he drives as long as he drives, much better than spending time crying on the bank.

[N.O.T]

It's easier to get support, when you approach sponsors if you can show some progress, at the moment its the same what he drives as long as he drives, much better than spending time crying on the bank.

Valid point...i agree.

[DonJippo]

Valid point...i agree.

Did the hell just freeze or what.... :confused:





:p :

[feresc13]

Turkeys stages this year were very smooth and very fast....the IRC event had nothing to do with the WRC one

Alen is one of those kids with a well known father.....Wilson anyone ??? another wannabe with sponsor support....

McRae, Toivonen...

I don't think that Alén jr. will be a Matthew Wilson II, even when he speaks he commits mistakes!! In the sense that says: "Thanks dad" or "I'm having fun" when some other drivers could be seating on that Focus doing better than him, or didn't have so many chances like him (Solà for example)

[Kollo]

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2007-07-12T10-24-4710.pdf

Entrylist for "vetomies" f-group (2wd no turbo, old homogolation)

some pickems
206 Toni Gardemaister BMW M3 e36
265 Laura Ylä-Lyly (formely Rämänen) women driver with english speaking co-driver Duncan McNiven Opel Manta B

Toni Gardemeister & BMW pictures and videos:
http://www.tonigardemeister.com/salainenkansio.php

[cut the b.s.]

Alen is one of those kids with a well known father.....Wilson anyone ??? another wannabe with sponsor support....

Have you been out in the sun too long? Anton is an excellent driver and prospect for the wrc, if his opportunities are in ITC for now fine, he will compete at the top level and do well.

[N.O.T]

Have you been out in the sun too long? Anton is an excellent driver and prospect for the wrc, if his opportunities are in ITC for now fine, he will compete at the top level and do well.

oh...... If only had a penny for every driver who is "excelent and a big prospect"......

[cut the b.s.]

oh...... If only had a penny for every driver who is "excellent and a big prospect"......2Ls in excellent......


Neither my nor his fault if you're short on cash, Anton however appears not to be short off either backers or talent
:-) he is 1 of only a couple who are in this lucky position right now world wide

[Addicted]

Motorsportfun said in other thread that Bettegas JRC program is stopped. Do we know already others who are cancelling their participation to NORF?

[Koppomsbo]

Motorsportfun said in other thread that Bettegas JRC program is stopped. Do we know already others who are cancelling their participation to NORF?

http://www.wrc.com/page/News/BreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~1076196,00.html

is this why he stopped it ??

[Josti]

http://www.wrc.com/page/News/BreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~1076196,00.html

is this why he stopped it ??

Yes.

[DonJippo]

Motorsportfun said in other thread that Bettegas JRC program is stopped. Do we know already others who are cancelling their participation to NORF?

Jarmo Mikkonen will not drive in NORF.

[CABAIO E'LONA]

Jarmo Mikkonen will not drive in NORF.

then no 206 WRC? :( this is confimated? . there is some Link with the news?

[pantealex]

Official rally magazine vauhdinmaailma says so:
Mikkonen is out, peugeot is in rebuilt.
But Trivino`s 206 should be in rally.

[Le NaRcX]

Does anybody know what's the weather prediction?

We will arrive on tuesday 31, and I don't want to have a shock. In Spain we have a weather to enjoy on the beach!

[janneppi]

There has been more rain than normal for the last three weeks, it probably wont change much.
Weather will be mostly between 15C-25C, it either rains or not. :)
Currently that's pretty much the accuracy that can be achieved week and a half before the event.

[Daniel]

There has been more rain than normal for the last three weeks, it probably wont change much.
Weather will be mostly between 15C-25C, it either rains or not. :)
Currently that's pretty much the accuracy that can be achieved week and a half before the event.
Well the rain is forecast to end here in the UK later this week and if that's anything to go by we might have a rainy wednesday or thursday but I suspect it will be a fairly dry rally.

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/FIXX0025?from=search_10dayhttp://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~4~id~151516.htm

[janneppi]

Weather pattern in Finland will depends mostly on the big low pressure areas in norther Atlantic which have been there for three weeks, until they move, it will be unstable weather here.

[LotusElise]

Motorsportfun said in other thread that Bettegas JRC program is stopped. Do we know already others who are cancelling their participation to NORF?

Is he the son of the Attilio Bettega?

[MJW]

Is he the son of the Attilio Bettega?
nephew

[Josti]

nephew

No, it's his son.

[Le NaRcX]

Well the rain is forecast to end here in the UK later this week and if that's anything to go by we might have a rainy wednesday or thursday but I suspect it will be a fairly dry rally.

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/FIXX0025?from=search_10dayhttp://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~4~id~151516.htm

Showers during all the week, I'm scared.

[Miika]

Does anybody know what's the weather prediction?

We will arrive on tuesday 31, and I don't want to have a shock. In Spain we have a weather to enjoy on the beach!

If you´re used to temperatures around 40 degrees Celsius then you´ll propably be freezing a bit anyways since the summer weather we have here is about the same you have in wintertime back there. 25 degrees is the absolute maximum it can be looking at the weather this summer. But who cares about the weather, it´s the rally that counts - and it´s always as beautiful.

[Daniel]

Showers during all the week, I'm scared.
If you care so much about the weather perhaps it's time to stay at home :)

[Le NaRcX]

If you´re used to temperatures around 40 degrees Celsius then you´ll propably be freezing a bit anyways since the summer weather we have here is about the same you have in wintertime back there. 25 degrees is the absolute maximum it can be looking at the weather this summer. But who cares about the weather, it´s the rally that counts - and it´s always as beautiful.

40ºC? Wow... this is really hot! This summer we have around 35ºC maximum. I don't doubt that I'm going to enjoy the rally like a kid, but I'm worried to go wet all the rally. I must think what I can put in the bag :)

[janneppi]

Pack for rain and wet conditions, pack for 15ºC temperatures, pack for 25ºC temperatures, pack for sunshine. :)

[PuddleJumper]

Pack for rain and wet conditions, pack for 15ºC temperatures, pack for 25ºC temperatures, pack for sunshine. :)
In other words, bring your entire wardrobe. :p :

[Le NaRcX]

Pack for rain and wet conditions, pack for 15ºC temperatures, pack for 25ºC temperatures, pack for sunshine. :)

Thanks, then I will come with all the wardrobe :D

[Le NaRcX]

In other words, bring your entire wardrobe. :p :

:D :D

[ttiirika]

No way that anybody could seriusly chalenge A.Alen-if his Punto will work properly, he will beat all others in N4 class for at least a minute or two. Yust look results from Russia....

Now it is confirmed that Anton Alen will start in NORF. He spoke at Finnish radio yesterday and said that the competition in group N will be very very tough. He said that his S2000 car is lighter than group N Mitsubishi or Subaru, but top speed of S2000 is about 20 km/h less than in group N cars. And it is much in Finland. But he tries to fight for the victory. I am really looking forward to see Punto S2000 in action!!

[A.F.F.]

Now it is confirmed that Anton Alen will start in NORF. He spoke at Finnish radio yesterday and said that the competition in group N will be very very tough. He said that his S2000 car is lighter than group N Mitsubishi or Subaru, but top speed of S2000 is about 20 km/h less than in group N cars. And it is much in Finland. But he tries to fight for the victory. I am really looking forward to see Punto S2000 in action!!

:bounce: :bounce:

Metoometoometoometoometooo.

Anton will have to drive like hell in order to win in Finland. Flodin with group-N car mught be too much. But I love to see Anton on stages. :D

[pino]

Motorsportfun said in other thread that Bettegas JRC program is stopped. Do we know already others who are cancelling their participation to NORF?

Bettega is confirmed for Finland on a Ignis Super 1600 !



http://www.sportautomoto.it/news.asp?ID=9346

[Addicted]

Bettega is confirmed for Finland on a Ignis Super 1600 !



http://www.sportautomoto.it/news.asp?ID=9346

That is good news.

So, only Jarmo Mikkonen is missing at the moment.

[swordsman]

Bad news is that PG Andersson lost his drivers license and wont be starting! :(

[SubaruNorway]

how?

[Roy]

Bad news is that PG Andersson lost his drivers license and wont be starting! :(

Why? What is the reason? You must be do a stupid thing you loose it, I quess.

[alleskids]

I think the reason is the one thing why Suzuki hired him for the last couple of years>> him being (to) fast in a car :)

[CABAIO E'LONA]

Bad news is that PG Andersson lost his drivers license and wont be starting! :(

is true?.. the reasons sound incredible...

[Miika]

is true?.. the reasons sound incredible...

Says so in the front page of his homepage:

http://www.pgandersson.se/

[Addicted]

Maybe PG goes flatout in public also?

[noel157]

Says so in the front page of his homepage:

http://www.pgandersson.se/

Miika, can you please give a very brief translation?

[Miika]

Miika, can you please give a very brief translation?

A brief translation to a briew bit of news:

"Unfortunately there won´t be a Rally Finland for P-G and Jonas this year since yesterday P-G drove too fast and lost his driver´s license."

[Miika]

In other words, bring your entire wardrobe. :p :

And might I suggest that you bring a boat along with you as well:

http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/jyskylaSH_410_uu.jpg

..just in case. ;)

[Viktory]

woah, is that a picture from Jyväskylä? No wonder there were some changes to spectator areas and parking due to weather on some stages (check official website). You seem to have had quite a bit of rain up there :p

[jiipee64]

Actually the forecast today said that we might have sunshine next weekend....

[Timole]

Actually the forecast today said that we might have sunshine next weekend....

That would be really cool. Don´t want to see rain anymore!

[Miika]

Even if it´s dry next weekend, the amount of rain the stages have been through this summer might have a big effect on how the stages, or at least parts of them, last especially if they are run twice.

[A.F.F.]

Yep, there might be soft places, especially in shadow places.

I'll take my sexy rain wear with me, not just rubber boots this year :)

[janneppi]

Yellow rubberwear is it? :)
Rubber boots and Goretex is my pick.

[A.F.F.]

Nope, green, suitable to camoflage from marshalls.

[Daniel]

Yellow rubberwear is it? :)
Rubber boots and Goretex is my pick.
I'll be there with a goretex jacket and goretex boots :) Sad ****ards us rally people talking about rally clothing..... :mark:

[leopard]

we will

[Daniel]

we will
Have you been smoking something? :rolleyes:

[janneppi]

I'll be there with a goretex jacket and goretex boots :) Sad ****ards us rally people talking about rally clothing..... :mark:
Fashion is important even to a rally spectator. :D

[leopard]

Have you been smoking something? :rolleyes:
What is that?

[Daniel]

Fashion is important even to a rally spectator. :D
That and keeping dry ;)

[leopard]

I just wanted to say that I have interest talking about rally suit, we will talk about it :)

[A.F.F.]

Fashion is important even to a rally spectator. :D

Exactly. I like my rally wear dead sexy :D

[Miika]

Exactly. I like my rally wear dead sexy :D

According to this prediction you can save your rubberwear for some other occasion..

http://fmi.fi/img/saa/paikallissaa/gramYo_Jyvaskyla_2007073115_2007073015.gif

[J4MIE]

Weather looks ok, maybe a shower for shakedown :up:

http://metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/europe_forecast_7days.asp?locationID=1618

[Josti]

Darnit, I was looking forward to an all wet Rally Finland. Easy to say when you follow the rally dry and comfy behind your computer :D

[leopard]

Exactly. I like my rally wear dead sexy :D

I'm curious :D

[ettelbruck]

Exactly. I like my rally wear dead sexy :D

Something like they wore 2006 in Mökkiperä...

http://ralliradio.yle.fi/node/2649

[leopard]

Something like they wore 2006 in Mökkiperä...

http://ralliradio.yle.fi/node/2649
weren't you cold with that dead sexy rally wear?