[WRC] 73. Secto Rally Finland 2024

[Eli]

Ouninpohja in it's 33km length returns with a 61% revised itinerary compared to 2023:
https://www.wrc.com/a/news/w27475_Finland-to-provide-ultimate-WRC-challenge-with-new-look-route-in-2024
304.81kms of competitive action and 20 SS.

[satnav]

A link to the route reveal on YouTube today, all in Finnish but you can understand the important bits;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJn7_R7z_Kc

[SubaruNorway]

Looks hard to do more than two stages on Saturday sadly, same as in Sweden

[rp]

Great to see Ouninpohja back and one totally new stage.

Not so excited about Ruuhimäki back already now and Laajavuori as a PowerStage.

[Tauri_J]

Whats wrong with Ruuhimäki? Its an awesome stage

[Rallyper]

Great to see Ouninpohja back and one totally new stage.

Not so excited about Ruuhimäki back already now and Laajavuori as a PowerStage.

Both Ruuhimäki and Laajavuori are safe cards. Spectatormagnets.

[becher]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/how-the-virtual-chicane-made-ouninpohja-possible-again/?fbclid=IwAR1xW2enH_SH4DvwuhRbxkNunDbncw-mFgh_TwtXWtowYNxQRYlfyTzEFyo

1. April? Back to 1955 driving tests? This isn't exactly a good look.

[Tauri_J]

If it improves safety then I dont see any problem with it and also built chicanes on gravel are shit, they get so rutted. They also could get hit/destroyed or moved out of place so it would be unfair for some of the drivers.

[tonirali]

Weren't virtual chicanes used in ERC last year, or a couple of years ago? How was that experience?

[J4MIE]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/how-the-virtual-chicane-made-ouninpohja-possible-again/?fbclid=IwAR1xW2enH_SH4DvwuhRbxkNunDbncw-mFgh_TwtXWtowYNxQRYlfyTzEFyo

1. April? Back to 1955 driving tests? This isn't exactly a good look.

It’s a good look, almost as though rallying is using what is now old technology that national rallies have been using for years. It works for everyone. They tried all sorts of things in previous years and hopefully this allows the world’s best stage to run without issues.

Your 1955 comment suggests you don’t know the history of rallying….

[Rallyper]

Could we read between the lines that JML will perticipate SRF in Toyota Rally1 car this year as well?

[PLuto]

Weren't virtual chicanes used in ERC last year, or a couple of years ago? How was that experience?

It was used last year in Rally di Roma Capitale and it was disaster...

[J4MIE]

It was used last year in Rally di Roma Capitale and it was disaster...

What went wrong? Was it competitors not understanding?

[Walach]

It was used last year in Rally di Roma Capitale and it was disaster...

Please do remind me what kind of disaster it was.
I went through drivers' reaction during the event and nothing special was reported, they all dealt with it just fine.

[PLuto]

Please do remind me what kind of disaster it was.
I went through drivers' reaction during the event and nothing special was reported, they all dealt with it just fine.

Of course nobody want to go against FIA or any authority. But internally there was big discussion about it before the race and also during. Everything is about GPS technology, which was never projected to measure the speed. So there were lot of issues, unit not showing speed properly, some driver were braking two times as first one was not identified etc. And as you can see, no penalty was finally applied. And from "outside" of the car, it looks really strange when in straight part, where you should feel the speed and there is no obstacle, cars are suddenly extremely slowing down "for nothing".

[becher]

It’s a good look, almost as though rallying is using what is now old technology that national rallies have been using for years. It works for everyone. They tried all sorts of things in previous years and hopefully this allows the world’s best stage to run without issues.

Your 1955 comment suggests you don’t know the history of rallying….

Each to their own I guess, I just don't see the advantage and don't really see the problem people have with chicanes, after all rallying was never about equal conditions.

The driving test comment was obviously tongue in cheek, but please enlighten me what I should know.

[SubaruNorway]

Very important that they mark properly where that is also for spectators in maps, don't do like Sweden "Here's a military area, but we won't tell anyone why you can't go there"

[Eli]

Pajari will now make his wrc debut in Finland & not Latvia: https://toyotagazooracing.com/wrc/release/2024/0624_01/

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRtvUXfWEAE9asz?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRtvUXfX0AA_1wl?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRtvUXkW8AEPxrI?format=jpg&name=large

[macebig]

Ogier is doing Finland? Why? Is he still thinking about the WDC or Toyota is starting to fear about losing the Constructor's?

[Rallyper]

Best field so far this year...?

[becher]

5 Yaris, is a new record?

[Eli]

5 Yaris, is a new record?

Seems like it.

[Corcaíoch]

Ogier is doing Finland? Why? Is he still thinking about the WDC or Toyota is starting to fear about losing the Constructor's?

An interesting one certainly! I guess it helps their manufacturer's championship chances and Evans drivers title hopes (and possibly his own). Katsuta's very poor performance in Poland probably doesn't instill much confidence in Toyota and on the other hand Lappi in Hyundai's third car should be close to the top, if having a trouble free run. It's been a long time (2015 I think) since Ogier has even had a podium in Finland so it's hard to guess his pace, although he'll have a far better starting position than he had in most other years since. At the very least he should be able to stay ahead of Neuville for Saturday points.

[Negaiss]

Happy to see Heikkila, Virves and of course JML in a Yaris GR Rally 2 is a great surprise.

[Kenneth]

Ogier is doing Finland? Why? Is he still thinking about the WDC or Toyota is starting to fear about losing the Constructor's?

I guess both.

[mknight]

Already last year Ogier wanted to do Finland in extra car but was told they did not have enough.

So I guess it's a combination of these 3 things.

[EstWRC]

where can i see the official viewing places and etc?

is it really only this physcial one that i can get only start of the rally week? https://www.coregoshop.fi/sectorallyfinland2024/secto-rally-finland-2024-route-map

[satnav]

where can i see the official viewing places and etc?

is it really only this physcial one that i can get only start of the rally week? https://www.coregoshop.fi/sectorallyfinland2024/secto-rally-finland-2024-route-map

The official Rally Programme is usually available to download the week before the rally, the link has been on here on previous years.
Here's some info ;https://sectorallyfinland.fi/en/elementor-11854/

[EstWRC]

Ah thanks a lot. I was going through the whole page but somehow didn’t find this.

[satnav]

The programme is available to download follow the link ;

https://nakoislehti.media.fi/keskisuomalainen/be80902d-b953-4d0c-8c8f-4910c1d90172/1?lang=en

[Rallyper]

The programme is available to download follow the link ;

https://nakoislehti.media.fi/keskisuomalainen/be80902d-b953-4d0c-8c8f-4910c1d90172/1?lang=en

Will you guys join us this year, Chris?

[satnav]

We sure will be Per, I just sent you a PM as they seem to be working again

[SubaruNorway]

Are you getting the google map to work?
https://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/wrc-rallye-finlande-2024/

[satnav]

Are you getting the google map to work?
https://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/wrc-rallye-finlande-2024/

Yes Tor, all working ok here, i've sent you an email to the email on your youtube page.

[TypeR]

New liveries for Kalle and Ogier in Finland.. seems like they have forgotten that Evans is also in the team :D
Although he is the one who could tell them how to drive in Finland :D

https://www.facebook.com/share/QNMiE7QSCLeDGHLh/

[Eli]

New liveries for Kalle and Ogier in Finland.. seems like they have forgotten that Evans is also in the team :D
Although he is the one who could tell them how to drive in Finland :D

https://www.facebook.com/share/QNMiE7QSCLeDGHLh/

There’s also one for Pajari: https://x.com/samipajari/status/1816750458385428498?s=61

And they didn’t only forget Evans but Katsuta too…

[becher]

There’s also one for Pajari: https://x.com/samipajari/status/1816750458385428498?s=61

And they didn’t only forget Evans but Katsuta too…
Now that looks nice!

[Rallyest]

I think it is to promote their Special edition GR yarises no? Evans doesnt have one so no promotion needed. And ultimately Pajari is a private driver like Sesks in Latvia. 2546

[CeskyOndra]

New liveries for Kalle and Ogier in Finland.. seems like they have forgotten that Evans is also in the team :D
Although he is the one who could tell them how to drive in Finland :D

https://www.facebook.com/share/QNMiE7QSCLeDGHLh/

Evans will win ;D

[WRCStan]

Evans will win ;D

I think he's gone off the boil. Need to see that he's still an a-lister and can fight for wins.

[CeskyOndra]

https://www.yr.no/nb/v%C3%A6rvarsel/daglig-tabell/2-655194/Finland/Midt-Finland/Jyv%C3%A4skyl%C3%A4/Jyv%C3%A4skyl%C3%A4

It is Finland so it is hard to predict, but it is already Monday and this forecast is possible.

[Tauri_J]

Yeah seeing some rain every day, should be not that bad at the front

[EstWRC]

Dirtfish recce interviews https://youtu.be/7pIimXAzIVw?si=yDn6xxhkH3uBRSMn

Colin and drivers all in good mood. Especially Colin

[spyros]

Any news about wheather?

[CeskyOndra]

Any news about wheather?

Checking the radar every day and yesterday there was quite a lot of rain on the Friday stages and now there is raining a bit for 12 hours already. And weather forecast for Friday is looking quite interesting too. Anyone can confirm this from Finland?

[flat_right]

Checking the radar every day and yesterday there was quite a lot of rain on the Friday stages and now there is raining a bit for 12 hours already. And weather forecast for Friday is looking quite interesting too. Anyone can confirm this from Finland?

I'm doing exactly the same :D Just a week ago it was quite dry forecast for the weekend but now it shows that it will rain for the whole weekend.

I don't remember from previous years but how is it in Finland with wet surface vs starting from the front compared to back? Cleaning effect is smaller but how about road becoming more slippery?

[EstWRC]

im looking at the areas where are the stages that we are attending and i see some small showers here and there but nothing serious.

[CeskyOndra]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C-FSGFIsRgX/?igsh=NWQxODk0eHl2M3M=

That won't clean and maybe got worse. On Friday there are storms in the forecast for afternoon.

[spyros]

Good morning, lets have a good shakedown, i expect Kalle will be the fastest.

[spyros]

what happened to Seb & Elfyn in the 1st run?

[jcevc]

Looks like they didn`t slow down enough in virtual chicane and got additional time.

[TypeR]

That VC is a joke..

Haybails aren't best either, but at least they re not a gamble.. did I brake enough or no..

What is the penalty on proper stage, if driver don't do the VC correctly?

[EstWRC]

I have a feeling that Tänak isn’t showing his full cards at the shakedown like he did in 2022 when you compare his times with Lappi

[flykas]

Well, I assume the penalty should be the same as here. But yeah, I wonder how do drivers detect of they brake enough or not. Because if you lock up the wheels, the speed is 0. I think it is quite messy when you have to do it so quickly.

[rallyfiend]

Well, I assume the penalty should be the same as here. But yeah, I wonder how do drivers detect of they brake enough or not. Because if you lock up the wheels, the speed is 0. I think it is quite messy when you have to do it so quickly.

From what was explained, thee tracking box in the car tells them when they've slowed enough with the big green light.

so it's not THAT hard for a bunch of multi-million euro a year drivers to get right...

Are they the best drivers in the world or not?

[240RS]

Sami Pajari looked very comfortable. A little wide at one corner, but very impressive allround.

It does look like the future is bright for him. First hurdle passed.

[MAXYrally]

Well, I assume the penalty should be the same as here. But yeah, I wonder how do drivers detect of they brake enough or not. Because if you lock up the wheels, the speed is 0. I think it is quite messy when you have to do it so quickly.

The telemetry box tells them when they reached 60kph and it uses GPS, not the wheel sensors. The penalty is 2s for each km/h over the limit, so if they only slow down to 65km/h they get 10s added to the stage time.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

what happened to Seb & Elfyn in the 1st run?

Seems there were some issues with the official timing, nothing to do with the virtual chicane.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala was equal fastest Rally2 on Run #1 !

https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/85534-secto-rally-finland-2024/?run=1&ct=1018

[CeskyOndra]

Is there a cleaning? I think so. Being later on the road means that you don't have that slippy and muddy surface, you have more like rails and dirt

[TypeR]

Seems there were some issues with the official timing, nothing to do with the virtual chicane.
Evans 1st run was 2.17.0
Ogier 1st run was 2.16.6

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Is there a cleaning? I think so. Being later on the road means that you don't have that slippy and muddy surface, you have more like rails and dirt

Yes, some cleaning but not as bad as the last two gravel rallies.

Neuville will lose less time and should have at least Munster ahead of him on Saturday.

[spyros]

Taka was a nice surprise

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yee-haa ! ;)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GT43dEIWcAAYi_d?format=jpg&name=medium

[becher]

From what was explained, thee tracking box in the car tells them when they've slowed enough with the big green light.

so it's not THAT hard for a bunch of multi-million euro a year drivers to get right...

Are they the best drivers in the world or not?
Should be doable for them, but I'd still rather see them navigating through a chicane.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Should be doable for them, but I'd still rather see them navigating through a chicane.

On SD the comms said that the bales can get hit and moved and some later driver's get an advantage.

[archie106]

If virtual chicanes allow for the use of stages like Ouninpohja, I'm all for them. They don't affect the experience for spectators, don't change difficulty for drivers, and don't compromise safety.

It also reduces the chance of clipping bales e.t.c. and causing unnecessary damage.

[denkimi]

Chicanes usually add nothing, and VC are even worse. Let drivers drive the stages like they are. If the rules make a certain stage impossible, we just have to change the rules.

[TypeR]

what a moron.

Hyundai fined 5000 euros for speeding. Mechanic was trying Tanak's cars wipers, 172kmh in 100kmh zone..

Because they had problems in Latvia.. let them do another run of SD or what ever.. They have base in Finland for what..?

But give a car to mechanic, who goes almost full speed on public road.. with Tanak's ,,luck'' I'm surprised the car wasn't crashed or smth..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

VC for Rally Finland explained:

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/why-the-wrc-is-introducing-virtual-chicanes-in-finland/10640509/

Some driver's aren't happy though...

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/wrc-drivers-concerned-by-gps-virtual-chicane-warning-system/10641068/

[CeskyOndra]

what a moron.

Hyundai fined 5000 euros for speeding. Mechanic was trying Tanak's cars wipers, 172kmh in 100kmh zone..

Because they had problems in Latvia.. let them do another run of SD or what ever.. They have base in Finland for what..?

But give a car to mechanic, who goes almost full speed on public road.. with Tanak's ,,luck'' I'm surprised the car wasn't crashed or smth..

What the hell?

[CeskyOndra]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C-IgHVvoLoo/?igsh=cTF2NWZpaDdncXo5

Saturday stages dried a lot. It is so so loose now.. Good luck Neuville.

[TypeR]

What the hell?
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyundai-fined-e5000-for-speeding-while-testing-wipers/

or Stewards decision no 3

[becher]

On SD the comms said that the bales can get hit and moved and some later driver's get an advantage.

That's not an argument. Drivers should be less whiney. In rallying it's never the same for all drivers, it's the core of this sport. And drivers who intentionally push it out of the way to get an advantage can f**** right off in my opinion. It only takes one driver to act silly to f**** up the situation for everybody and force the rule makers to come up with silly rules/solutions (see overtaking in F1 for example).

[archie106]

Gregor Jeets with a back injury over the stupid jump at the end of shakedown. Hopefully not too serious and he recovers soon

[Morte66]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C-IgHVvoLoo/?igsh=cTF2NWZpaDdncXo5

Saturday stages dried a lot. It is so so loose now.. Good luck Neuville.

I'm pretty sure that all the rain in the world is currently falling on my house, and none on Finland, so this should be good for Evans...

[CeskyOndra]

Just embarassing for Munster again. Pajari has absolutely no experience on tarmac and he is still way faster than Munster...

[CeskyOndra]

Lappi almost binned it. That Hyundai is undriveable on tarmac :D

[WRCStan]

Mechanic was trying Tanak's cars wipers

Bollards excuse. The person won't work in the sport again.

[WRCStan]

EP was saying he recced the stage and knew he could run wide. There's a brick wall there the tyre stacks are protecting.

[CeskyOndra]

What a stage by Thierry. Already taking 8 seconds out of Munster.

[MentalParadox]

Just embarassing for Munster again. Pajari has absolutely no experience on tarmac and he is still way faster than Munster...

Uh... uh... *nervous sweating*... something, something, road position?

[focus206]

It will be interesting to see how the weather/roads will be tomorrow. If the front runners are advantaged, then Tanak has a great chance, as only Neuville is in front and he's not fast enough in Finland. And if there's road sweeping, who knows, plenty of variables.

[CeskyOndra]

It will be interesting to see how the weather/roads will be tomorrow. If the front runners are advantaged, then Tanak has a great chance, as only Neuville is in front and he's not fast enough in Finland. And if there's road sweeping, who knows, plenty of variables.

There is also a weird forecast for tomorrow with potential of rain or storm by any minute. Can't wait! I think that late runners will benefit..

[Eli]

Good morning everyone, looks like we’re getting a soaking wet day :)

[Tauri_J]

looks pretty slippery

[CeskyOndra]

Tanak compared his confidence to tarmac rallies

[Tauri_J]

Tänak's car too stiff?

[trykmann]

Tanak compared his confidence to tarmac rallies

It seems they have gone out with a wrong setup.

[spyros]

what the hell Ott slower than Thierry.

[Tauri_J]

Looks like a Toyota fest coming

[CeskyOndra]

Kalle not really fast in first sector

[deephouse]

Kalle not really fast in first sector

He looks like he is bored, so maybe he want to put himself some challenge later on.

[CeskyOndra]

EP 1.5s down to Tanak on the first split.. We are cooked

[Kras]

He keeps saying the road is getting slower with each passing car, even tho times dont support it at all...

[Tauri_J]

This is as equal as it gets on a gravel rally

[CeskyOndra]

Pajari is lucky to continue. But without rear wing.. Paul King isn't even able to tell him the damage...

[spyros]

Sami off road?

[Eli]

Sami off road?

Just hit his rear wing, lost half of it…

[Dontcut]

Pajari really lucky and well shaken in the stage end interview.
Hope to see Hyundais to bounce back.
Virves with great stage time.

[jonkka]

And Neuville goes straight up on exit road but continues

[Tauri_J]

Where's Ott?

[Dontcut]

Or anyone else?

[Tauri_J]

another disaster?

[jonkka]

Stage is red flagged, something has happened.

[Tauri_J]

This looks serious. Hope everyone is okay

[CeskyOndra]

Of f*ck, hope he is ok... Rest of the field is lucky cuz this stage is just killer

[erikli2]

Nightmare for Hyundai. Hope Ott and Martin are OK.

[Eli]

They said they are being medically checked right now,

[Tauri_J]

These high speed events have been a total disaster for Ott

[Rallyest]

2549

[Dontcut]

Really hope everything is okay with them. Crash with such speed means usually damage to roll cage so there won't be no Super Sunday for them.

[Kras]

Damn this is gonna be a boring rally

[Rallyest]

Side impact similar to Ostberg is what people are saying

[CeskyOndra]

I heard from my friend on the stage that Martin might have some injury.

[CeskyOndra]

We might go underway on the stage again

[deephouse]

Hope they both will be okay... And thank you all for these updates. Official Live is failing to bring information, they rather stop broadcasting and talking at all.

[CeskyOndra]

The medical stuff stopped there cuz Martin had some back pain. But he should be okay.

[Rallyest]

medical came very quickly because Martin and Ott pressed the SOS button in the car

[Mirek]

Hope they both will be okay... And thank you all for these updates. Official Live is failing to bring information, they rather stop broadcasting and talking at all.

They must not spread any rumors or speculations. They brough the update now when the situation was clear. This was handled well by them.

[CeskyOndra]

Neuville will pay for his mistake now

[EstWRC]

Depressing.

Didn’t see even him on the stages cause we are at myhinpaa

[CeskyOndra]

Depressing.

Didn’t see even him on the stages cause we are at myhinpaa

Hope you will see him on Sunday. But Idk

[Dontcut]

Hope you will see him on Sunday. But Idk

Doesn't seem realistic. Roll cage is damaged and Martin's back probably not good.

[Päss1928]

Depressing.

Didn’t see even him on the stages cause we are at myhinpaa

At least you have the Rally2 guys. At this point I don't really care about the championship, I'm just glad Ott and Martin seem to be more or less OK. That info vacuum wasn't nice.

[EstWRC]

https://x.com/ewrcresults/status/1819270108524499368?s=46&t=AWria8OgC1kV5QC61vX5Xg

[Mirek]

Ott's crash. this could have ended much worse...
https://x.com/JorstiKarvonen/status/1819268797305409822?t=Ui9vM3rgDDIIpE9Jd21Lpg&s=19

[jonkka]

Typical Finland. When you go off, you hit a tree even if it's the only tree in otherwise open area.

[CeskyOndra]

That ended very well for them. If the are okey I think they could continue

[Mirek]

Typical Finland. When you go off, you hit a tree even if it's the only tree in otherwise open area.

Fortunately you have birches everywhere. They are pretty flexible and make the impacts less dangerous.

EDIT: Stage stopped again for non-rally related medical incident.

[jonkka]

Fortunately you have birches everywhere. They are pretty flexible and make the impacts less dangerous.

Young trees are but as a carpenter, I know that birch is harder wood than evergreens. But what matters to carpenter's blade is of little consequence to 1200kg rally car traveling at speed.

[Humber]

Hyundai Motorsport Official twitter/ X


Hyundai Motorsport
@HMSGOfficial
⚠️ Ott and Martin went off the road on SS3 of Rally Finland. Ott is ok, however Martin will be taken to hospital for further checks. We will provide more updates when possible.

[skarderud]

Young trees are but as a carpenter, I know that birch is harder wood than evergreens. But what matters to carpenter's blade is of little consequence to 1200kg rally car traveling at speed.Yes, birch is not soft wood, and good rootsystem. Lots of small birches can be a nice speedbrake, one big is not.
Best regards a cabinet-maker.

Sent fra min SM-S901B via Tapatalk

[erikli2]

Another angle of the crash:

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/W8pSSScYCmzMSKDU/

[CeskyOndra]

Another angle of the crash:

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/W8pSSScYCmzMSKDU/

Why was this idiot clapping his hands or smth? I understand that there was some action but in that big crash it it wasn't really in place...

[Mirek]

Seems that SS3 is canceled now and SS4 posponed to 10:59.

[CeskyOndra]

4 min gaps?

[CeskyOndra]

I'm really scared watching Neuville's onboard

[Dontcut]

4 min gaps?

Maybe to give race control more time to react to incidents.

[becher]

Why was this idiot clapping his hands or smth? I understand that there was some action but in that big crash it it wasn't really in place...
Could be a "ohh f*****" gesture.

[becher]

On a more positive note: Latvala is a close second fastest in RC2.

[Mirek]

Fourmaux sounded pretty fed up with having no test before the rally.

[EstWRC]

Ott's crash. this could have ended much worse...
https://x.com/JorstiKarvonen/status/1819268797305409822?t=Ui9vM3rgDDIIpE9Jd21Lpg&s=19

Seems same like on rally Estonia. The rear steps out when he doesn’t expect it to do.

He complained about this also in Latvia a little

[jonkka]

What has Lappi found to post such first split?

[CeskyOndra]

I'm Looking at the weather radar and forecast and thinking that weather will decide this rally. Difficult afternoon ahead

[Morte66]

If Latvala is in the top 3 or 4 WRC2 cars tomorrow, will we get coverage of him on rally.tv?

[Mirek]

Linnamae rolled but continues.

[mknight]

Seems same like on rally Estonia. The rear steps out when he doesn’t expect it to do.

He complained about this also in Latvia a little

Looks more like he was too fast into the corner and tried to save it by handbrake+full throttle.

[TypeR]

Stewards having latvian wine already?
SS3 wrc2 nominal times can't be real..?

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/85534-secto-rally-finland-2024/?s=454526&sct=1682

[Humber]

Jarveoja was carried away to the helicopter.

https://youtu.be/5YsKvUW5OkU?si=Krrv-v7wcTpua5vQ

[CeskyOndra]

Stewards having latvian wine already?
SS3 wrc2 nominal times can't be real..?

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/85534-secto-rally-finland-2024/?s=454526&sct=1682

Thats not official. Just some random times added by creator of Ewrc just to make timeboard provisional.

[TypeR]

Thats not official. Just some random times added by creator of Ewrc just to make timeboard provisional.
official CoC notification nr 6

[Morte66]

Is there anywhere we can get updated start times for stages?

https://www.wrc.com/live-timing?liveTimingMenu=itinerary_livetiming&lang=en shows SS5 starting at 1205 Finnish time, which isn't happening.

[archie106]

Updated start times on ewrc, SS5 due for 12:29

[1988senna]

Why Pajari is so slow ? I can't believe he is driving the Rally1 car

[drive]

Why Pajari is so slow ? I can't believe he is driving the Rally1 car

he is driving without rear spoiler

[TypeR]

Why Pajari is so slow ? I can't believe he is driving the Rally1 car
He tuned the car to Rally1-(minus).

Crashed and no rear spoiler-bumper, that's why.

[bearclaw]

Jarveoja was carried away to the helicopter.

https://youtu.be/5YsKvUW5OkU?si=Krrv-v7wcTpua5vQ

...all the best to Martin...hopefully everything is ok with him an it is just for prevention to take the helicopter.

at this point not so important, but as an Austrian, it's interesting to see a helicopter form the Öamtc (Austrian Automobile Club) at rally Finland.

[1988senna]

He tuned the car to Rally1-(minus).

Crashed and no rear spoiler-bumper, that's why.

So we can only know his true pace tomorrow？

[drive]

should be fixed in midday Fri service

[Mirek]

Latvala sadly shows that the supposedly great pace of the Rally2 drivers isn't that great.

[denkimi]

Latvala sadly shows that the supposedly great pace of the Rally2 drivers isn't that great.

why not? I doubt anyone can go much faster than latvala in finland.

[trykmann]

why not? I doubt anyone can go much faster than latvala in finland.

I agree, he is still only 39 years old and is the most experienced driver out there right now.

[trykmann]

Stewards having latvian wine already?
SS3 wrc2 nominal times can't be real..?

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/85534-secto-rally-finland-2024/?s=454526&sct=1682

This can decide the winner or podiums in Rally2. Virves has done same times as Solberg this morning, but notional time is 18,4 seconds slower.

[CeskyOndra]

I wonder when Ogier's luck will ran away.

[denkimi]

why not? I doubt anyone can go much faster than latvala in finland.

and he drives a car he helped develop and has unlimited acces to testing an driving it in finland.

[wyler]

This can decide the winner or podiums in Rally2. Virves has done same times as Solberg this morning, but notional time is 18,4 seconds slower.

CoC already stated time can be revised after second loop data.

[Morte66]

So we can only know his true pace tomorrow？

He should get a new wing at lunchtime service, I think.

[erikli2]

Taka moment once again.

[archie106]

Katsuta hit a tree, what a shame

[Mirek]

Taka crashed :(

[CeskyOndra]

Wow, that was unexpected!

[Morte66]

I wonder if Katsuta can get back to service.

[Kenneth]

why not? I doubt anyone can go much faster than latvala in finland.

Yeah after all, he was still one of the top drivers when he became TP.

[jonkka]

I wonder if Katsuta can get back to service.

It seems he doesn't have freely rotating wheel so it'd be no.

[Morte66]

Note to self: Pajari 8.5s behind Munster, 45.5s behind Fourmaux, and 76.8s behind the lead in the morning loop with the damaged wing. Let's see what the afternoon brings.

[becher]

Yeah after all, he was still one of the top drivers when he became TP.

This, Tänak har him covered easily but he was still one of maybe six to seven drivers who could win stages on a regular basis.

[Morte66]

Well, I looked at three weather websites for Jyvaskyla and got three different answers for this afternoon.

[CeskyOndra]

Well, I looked at three weather websites for Jyvaskyla and got three different answers for this afternoon.

You have to check the radar. Storms are coming. Its already raining very heavily on some of the stages.

[Morte66]

It seems he doesn't have freely rotating wheel so it'd be no.

He gave it a try. :) The shot of him and Dan waiting for a bus is wonderful.

[archie106]

Lindholm crashed, apparently same place as Katsuta

[focus206]

Glad to see Ott and Martin are okay.
Toyota fest right now, they seem to have found a good setup, unlike Hyundai. If I were Neuville, I'd focus on keeping Fourmaux behind, there's no catching the 3 Toyota without mistakes, and pushing in these conditions (especially if storms are coming) is very risky.

[erikli2]

More rain approaching, red dot is SS6. First driver(s) might be lucky:


2550

[CeskyOndra]

Glad to see Ott and Martin are okay.
Toyota fest right now, they seem to have found a good setup, unlike Hyundai. If I were Neuville, I'd focus on keeping Fourmaux behind, there's no catching the 3 Toyota without mistakes, and pushing in these conditions (especially if storms are coming) is very risky.

What if the storm catches Toyota guys (it wont haha) and they will loose a time? Then Neuville has to push you know, everything is still possible

[focus206]

What if the storm catches Toyota guys (it wont haha) and they will loose a time? Then Neuville has to push you know, everything is still possible

It would be just for one stage though, I can't imagine he being ahead of any of the 3 Toyota before tomorrow evening, unless they have problems or make mistakes. But yes, it would be good not to fall away from them.

[EstWRC]

How good must the Toyota be when even Ogier can do such a times at rally he has never been good at?

Damn, i badly would like to see Neuville and Tänak driving with it

[240RS]

Rallyper, it appears you forgot to close Pickems ;)

[jonkka]

And Lappi crashes into a tree.

[Mirek]

Lappi crashed as well :/

[archie106]

He won't be the last to crash there, horrible section.

What a shame

[jcevc]

This could be the end of his career in Rally1...not delivering what they want from 3rd driver at all.

[Eli]

Ffs Lappi! Sweden seems like a lifetime ago now….horrid rally, Neuville can stop complaining on his gravel woes, should be in his bag for this year, unless he really mucks it up…the worst pickems of the year (for me) for sure.

[Dontcut]

RIP Hyundai title hopes.

["Username"]

Lappi might continue tomorrow still, cleaning road for the 2024 champ.

[240RS]

Two Hyundais gone on Day 1. Shades of Kenya. And we know who dominated there.

Toyota could issue "hold" instructions today evening at this rate.

[focus206]

Neuville can stop complaining on his gravel woes, should be in his bag for this year, unless he really mucks it up…

Huh? Evans and Ogier are still there, they have better road position and they drive a better car. Tanak is only 8 points behind. Even if Neuville makes no mistakes until the end of the season, he could very well lose the title.

[denkimi]

Lappi might continue tomorrow still, cleaning road for the 2024 champ.
Tanak wil open the road before katsuta and then lappi.

[CeskyOndra]

Tanak wil open the road before katsuta and then lappi.

Tanak isnt restarting.

[rallyfiend]

Tanak wil open the road before katsuta and then lappi.

If Martin has been taken to hospital, there is littel chance of him starting tomorrow, no matter how quickly the car can be fixed.

[Eli]

Huh? Evans and Ogier are still there, they have better road position and they drive a better car. Tanak is only 8 points behind. Even if Neuville makes no mistakes until the end of the season, he could very well lose the title.

Evans hopefully but he really really needs to win this one, Ogier, maybe, last year I would say for sure but with the new point scoring system? We’ll see how they stack up after Finland but it’s Thierry’s to lose imho.

[240RS]

Sami Pajari has taken his gloves off, it would seem. . . Interesting!!!!

[CeskyOndra]

At the moment it just looks like no one won't catch toyota..

[EstWRC]

How good must the Toyota be when even Ogier can do such a times at rally he has never been good at?

Damn, i badly would like to see Neuville and Tänak driving with it

Pajari time confirms this even more

[Mirek]

They just said Martin Jarveoja would need to stay in the hospital for observation.

[240RS]

Tanak's roll covered somewhere in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V09_y8UYGXE

Simple off really. The tree was just in the wrong place, at the wrong time

[saco0o]

ouchhhhhhhhhhhhhh jeeeeez that tree

[saco0o]

Taka and Johnston waiting for the bus lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/WRC/comments/1ei6xd8/katsuta_and_johnston_waiting_for_a_bus/

[jonkka]

We're barely half-way through first proper day and three top crews out already.

[skarderud]

Quite remarkable that the Hyundai is both understeering and oversteering in the same time.
They cant do anything to it eighter it seems, been like this for years.
Fantastic piece of engineering.

Didn't they bring FX to the team too?

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[jonkka]

Didn't they bring FX to the team too?

Yes, Demaison is with Hyundai currently.

[Morte66]

I missed Lappi's off. Can anyone describe how it happened, please?

[EstWRC]

Quite remarkable that the Hyundai is both understeering and oversteering in the same time.
They cant do anything to it eighter it seems, been like this for years.
Fantastic piece of engineering.

Didn't they bring FX to the team too?

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They did but FX said in an interview to dirtfish that they can’t do much cause the car is fundamentally wrong.

That’s why they also wanted to build a new one for next year but FIA screwed them with this when they announced the new rules briefly but then took them back

[WRCStan]

I missed Lappi's off. Can anyone describe how it happened, please?

Heavy rutted section through trees, car was bouncing, back end hit one tree, swung the front end into the path of another tree. Wheel fell off.

[Morte66]

Heavy rutted section through trees, car was bouncing, back end hit one tree, swung the front end into the path of another tree. Wheel fell off.

Ah, that bit. Thank you.

[WRCStan]

They did but FX said in an interview to dirtfish that they can’t do much cause the car is fundamentally wrong.

That’s why they also wanted to build a new one for next year but FIA screwed them with this when they announced the new rules briefly but then took them back

What's stopping them now then?

[EstWRC]

What's stopping them now then?

Cause it’s too late and they wouldn’t manage

[Mirek]

What's stopping them now then?

You have very limited options to change things once they are homologated. Basically you can change only minor stuff but nothing fundamental.

[WRCStan]

Cause it’s too late and they wouldn’t manage

Sure. Sure, sure.

[deephouse]

What's stopping them now then?

Didn't they say that they start to working on a new car, then scrap it. And then when the regs stayed the same they didn't have any paper, documents, parts, actually car anymore? They just threw all away then? Or what. I catch that they manage to save something from that project. How could such a company just screw that in that scale? Doesn't make sense to me. Then they manage to get extra jokers by threats that they will quit. And right now they say they will quit if new manus will not join. What are they trying to achieve?

[skarderud]

Didn't they say that they start to working on a new car, then scrap it. And then when the regs stayed the same they didn't have any paper, documents, parts, actually car anymore? They just threw all away then? Or what. I catch that they manage to save something from that project. How could such a company just screw that in that scale? Doesn't make sense to me. Then they manage to get extra jokers by threats that they will quit. And right now they say they will quit if new manus will not join. What are they trying to achieve?It's a joke of a management, thats for sure. Extremely unprofesionell from a team with unlimited resorces, its unbelivable.


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[denkimi]

Quite remarkable that the Hyundai is both understeering and oversteering in the same time.
They cant do anything to it eighter it seems, been like this for years.
Fantastic piece of engineering.

i always wonder how many titles neuville could have had if he hadn't been so loyal to hyundai.


Cause it’s too late and they wouldn’t manage
Can't they introduce a new car halfway down the year?

[Mirek]

i always wonder how many titles neuville could have had if he hadn't been so loyal to hyundai.

Maybe he is part of the reason.

[jonkka]

Pajari not doing so well, huge time loss on split 1.

[erikli2]

Why are the drivers always so secret about their issues and setup changes? It's not like their competitors will change their strategies only because Munister has a sensor issue (for example).

[jonkka]

Obviously it was timing glitch, Pajari isn't losing a minute and a half.

[EstWRC]

i always wonder how many titles neuville could have had if he hadn't been so loyal to hyundai.


Can't they introduce a new car halfway down the year?

I don’t know, you have to ask Cyril.

He is the one who said that this long decision taking from FIA about next year regulations halted the build of the new car

[mknight]

Why suddenly so much focus on Hyundai being bad when last two rallies it mostly matched the Toyota? (Something to do whom the majority of people here cheer for?)

Here Lappi crashed, but he crashed all of last 3 years including in a Toyota ( but luckily made it to finish).
Similarly Tanak crashed last year in a Puma and won the year before in this very car.

Tarmac is another matter, but on gravel the car doesn't seem entirely bad.

[skarderud]

I don’t know, you have to ask Cyril.

He is the one who said that this long decision taking from FIA about next year regulations halted the build of the new carWhen you are at this level, you don't stop develop the car, maybe you start on both possibilitys, but not stop develop the existing and most likely next season car.
And the possibility to make a EVO2 version less drivable than the existing is hardy possible it seems.

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[jonkka]

Is Pajari going to snatch his first stage win?

[Mirek]

Nicely done!

[TypeR]

Pajari: ,,Oi-oi-oi'' :D

[MentalParadox]

Sami, hell yeah! Future is looking bright with guys like Sesks and Pajari

[MentalParadox]

Pajari: ,,Oi-oi-oi'' :D

Instant Grönholm flashbacks

[Thousandlakes]

Oi OI Oi Pajari. What a stage.

[Morte66]

Note to self: Pajari 8.5s behind Munster, 45.5s behind Fourmaux, and 76.8s behind the lead in the morning loop with the damaged wing. Let's see what the afternoon brings.

And after repeating the loop: 20.5s ahead of Munster, 40.3s behind Fourmaux, 88.9s behind the lead.

So he took 29 seconds out of Munster. He took 5 seconds out of Fourmaux, who (I think) had a better afternoon than morning. But Rovanpera is in boss mode.

[deephouse]

Maybe he is part of the reason.

He was caught in a Seb era. Just like Latvala and Hirvonen previously. These too was just unbeatable at the time. And he was still developing, I think... But right now he is still ONLY one that can actually finish the rally. Sordo is quite reliable and should be still beside... But soon the time will come when all those older ones will need to step away, even Ogier and make way for younger ones... I'm more and more convinced, that this type of cars does suit better to younger ones on their debuts.

[Mirek]

He was caught in a Seb era. Just like Latvala and Hirvonen previously. These too was just unbeatable at the time. And he was still developing, I think... But right now he is still ONLY one that can actually finish the rally. Sordo is quite reliable and should be still beside... But soon the time will come when all those older ones will need to step away, even Ogier and make way for younger ones... I'm more and more convinced, that this type of cars does suit better to younger ones on their debuts.

He was the No.1 driver in Hyundai for 11 years. All the team has been working for him for more than a decade. The success is a team work and he was the leading person in the team for all the time. Definitely he must have had a lot of influence on the car design as well.

[focus206]

He was the No.1 driver in Hyundai for 11 years. All the team has been working for him for more than a decade. The success is a team work and he was the leading person in the team for all the time. Definitely he must have had a lot of influence on the car design as well.

Some drivers are better at developing a car than others, on the other hand drivers are usually neither designers nor engineers. Didn't Neuville already say that the big handbrake usage in his driving style is not "his own", but rather he started using it because of how the car handles? Could be that Neuville is not good at developing, could be that Hyundai wasn't able to deliver the car its drivers asked for.

[Mirek]

Some drivers are better at developing a car than others, on the other hand drivers are usually neither designers nor engineers. Didn't Neuville already say that the big handbrake usage in his driving style is not "his own", but rather he started using it because of how the car handles? Could be that Neuville is not good at developing, could be that Hyundai wasn't able to deliver the car its drivers asked for.

Could be. I'm just saying that he has been the pivotal person in Hyundai for over a decade. The principals changed, the managers changed, the engineers changed, yet we somehow keep saying the same things about their cars all the time.

[deephouse]

Fun fact about Finland and Finnish drivers. They have been in the championship from the start, so 1973. And they have won at least one event each year except on three occasions - 2015, 2019, and 2020 (the last one was the COVID example, where most of the events were canceled). Kudos

[saco0o]

Didn't they say that they start to working on a new car, then scrap it. And then when the regs stayed the same they didn't have any paper, documents, parts, actually car anymore? They just threw all away then? Or what. I catch that they manage to save something from that project. How could such a company just screw that in that scale? Doesn't make sense to me. Then they manage to get extra jokers by threats that they will quit. And right now they say they will quit if new manus will not join. What are they trying to achieve?

at this point nobody would be surpriesed if Cyril start to say Hyundai can quit WRC if they dont remove all trees from the stages.

[dimviii]

what was the comment?

#22

Gryazin Nikolay - Aleksandrov K.
"Not learning anything, just driving how I know. Last stage, I was angry about a comment on eWRC, they changed it and now I am happy."

[TypeR]

what was the comment?

#22

Gryazin Nikolay - Aleksandrov K.
"Not learning anything, just driving how I know. Last stage, I was angry about a comment on eWRC, they changed it and now I am happy."

Bulgarian champ comments

SS8 stage end on WRC.com:

It's good because this stage I raced in the EA Sports WRC. I cannot say I remember it for sure, but I remember how to do from the game. In real life, you do it like this and it is more or less the same as in game.''

SS8 stage end on eWRC now(don't know before):

,,it's good because this stage I raced in the Richard Burns Rally, like Semetin stage. This was good fun to drive. I cannot say I remember it for sure, but some places I know how to do from the game. In real life, you do it like this and it is more or less.''


Rewatched the live and the correct one is with the RB rally comment.


Edit: maybe the btthurt is, because he wasn't added to EA Sports in game drivers list :D

[Mirek]

Why the hell does a professional competitor distracts himself with that? Why he reads comments on the web at all? Just why?

[WRCStan]

Rewatched the live and the correct one is with the RB rally comment.
Lol, what a pointless thing to whine about.


Edit: maybe the btthurt is, because he wasn't qadded to EA Sports in game drivers list :D

Maybe it's that WRC Promoter staff are changing his words to sell their brand. It is an odd thing to say but I love this.

[Backa]

Lol, what a pointless thing to whine about.


Not sure if he was whining, probably just frustrated with his driving and add some silly humour by using it as an excuse.

[Mirek]

Not sure if he was whining, probably just frustrated with his driving and add some silly humour by using it as an excuse.

He wasn't frustrated at all, quite the opposite.

[ipe]

Good to see that Gryazin is RBR connoisseur as well. Makes sense to correct this since RBR has amazing Finland stages. Ouninpohja on that game is legendary.

[Mk2 RS2000]

Remember it took them years to go to the front diff changes that Paddon wanted and by then he had left