[WRC] Croatia Rally 2024

[Andre Oliveira]

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[CeskyOndra]

Interesting, Lipovec on Saturday and Platak on Friday really surprised me

[Myrvold]

That is long days with few competetive km's :(

[Tauri_J]

Ugh only 283 km

[Mirek]

V sobotu se půjdou pěkně stihnout 4 RZ��

Na tomto fóru je komunikačním jazykem Angličtina.

The language of this forum is English.

[Czslovi]

I am sorry,;)

[Andre Oliveira]

First leg without service.

[PLuto]

First leg without service.

There is TFZ, which is something like remote service. This is usual on lot of WRC events...

[Andre Oliveira]

TFZ is Tyre Fitting Zone

[TypeR]

TFZ is Tyre Fitting Zone
Maybe not always allowed, but I remember last in Greece Tanak was repairing his Puma and waterpump with 2 mechanics in TFZ..
(They exceeded the time tho..)

[PLuto]

TFZ is called tyre fitting zone, but in fact it is very similar to remote service. You have two mechanics on site and they can do everything on the car like in normal service, only with the tools and parts which are inside the car.

[ik1911]

Total distance including road section reduced from 1650 (2023) to 1401 km (2024)!

[Backa]

Total distance including road section reduced from 1650 (2023) to 1401 km (2024)!

Not happy with rally being shorter but reducing stages distance only by 18km while reducing whole thing by 250km is quite impressive.

[PLuto]

Not happy with rally being shorter but reducing stages distance only by 18km while reducing whole thing by 250km is quite impressive.

It is not so impressive. They just skipped one visit in service area and replaced it by TFZ. And from teams perspective, it is quite strange to have regrouping and TFZ with distance 13 km...

[Peperoma]

Hello,
Do you think there will be more Rally 1 cars than the 8 standard cars (3 Toyotas, 3 Hyundais and 2 Fords)?

[Managarium]

No

[Negaiss]

Hello,
Do you think there will be more Rally 1 cars than the 8 standard cars (3 Toyotas, 3 Hyundais and 2 Fords)?

In Croatia probaly not, but in Latvia probaly YES. In Latvian TV show Martins Sesks only said, that he has developed good relationship with Toyota Gazoo racing team and already tested Yaris rally 2. And it is known in Latvia, that Sesks team is working hard with a clear aim to get Rally 1 drive for WRC Latvian round. So I would say with 72% percent likelyhood, that Sesks will drive Toyota Yaris rally1 in WRC Latvia 2024.

[denkimi]

I don't think you need good relations with the toyota team, I think you just need the money. The same for M-sport and even hyundai. If you pay enough, they will give you a car.

[Co-driven]

In Croatia probaly not, but in Latvia probaly YES. In Latvian TV show Martins Sesks only said, that he has developed good relationship with Toyota Gazoo racing team and already tested Yaris rally 2. And it is known in Latvia, that Sesks team is working hard with a clear aim to get Rally 1 drive for WRC Latvian round. So I would say with 72% percent likelyhood, that Sesks will drive Toyota Yaris rally1 in WRC Latvia 2024.

And I think he is trying to add Poland to his outings also.

[Backa]

In Croatia probaly not, but in Latvia probaly YES. In Latvian TV show Martins Sesks only said, that he has developed good relationship with Toyota Gazoo racing team and already tested Yaris rally 2. And it is known in Latvia, that Sesks team is working hard with a clear aim to get Rally 1 drive for WRC Latvian round. So I would say with 72% percent likelyhood, that Sesks will drive Toyota Yaris rally1 in WRC Latvia 2024.

It would be cool to see Sesks in rally1, what are his plans for season as a whole? WRC-2? ERC?

[Managarium]

Maps of the special stages

https://rally-croatia.com/en/spectators/special-stages-maps

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJguiaaXEAAMY-c?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJguiabW0AAGbqI?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJguiaaWUAA5Cve?format=jpg&name=large

[RS]

Surprises for me; no Solberg and Brynildsen in a Toksport Fabia.

[mknight]

Lots of drivers seemingly avoiding bets events of their hardest competititors in WRC2 this year. Solberg not even there and Greensmith not nominated.

[CeskyOndra]

Guys, is there someone who is thinking about Croatia visit with sleeping under tent in some camp or on the stages?

[Lect3R]

I am releasing guide for Croatia Rally 2024 that has all info needed for your maximum enjoyment. Its deeply analyzed and prepared for you so you dont have to do any work if you plan to attend rally.

It features:


263 locations across all stages with youtube video previews on how location exactly looks like when viewed from the spot. (video previews are from past years when they drove exact stages).

156 Parking spots/camping spots mostly around/near stages and some on stage.

All locations are colored with their representive color by how fast a corner is taken by cars. (green-> slowest to red-> fastest)

All locations have their short names for you to choose which location you'd like.

Routes from service park to stages Start/Finish with Paytoll/highway or without them for you to save money.

Alternative Routes that go around Road Closures and gets you to certain locations on the stages which let you leave the stage at any time you want.
Walking paths through fields, forests etc. that lead you to locations. Some with extra details, videos, and pictures that I've been through.

Icons for Road closures, speeding cameras, gas stations, electric charing for vehicles, highways, paytolls, fun/out doors activities (carting, golf, parks, restaurants etc), ticket checkings, you name it... it has everything.

Picture previews of stage locations (entry, mid, and exit of the corners) and all other icons with google maps location coverage and how they look like.

All icons are described very deeply about their meaning, making sure you avoid all troubles, what can you expect there and things like that.


I will be giving away Shakedown map for FREE as you guys could see how maps will look like.

SHAKEDOWN MAP LINK HERE: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1e2u4BHC1tPzCLDu9bSfYJCtUDEM1y_c&usp=sharing

The rest of the stages for all days will cost 30 EUR. It costs cause I lost my sanity and will for the past 4 months making this :D, if you're interested in purchasing just private message me here and we will go from there. I will grant you guys access to maps via email so only you guys can see it and it cannot be shared with other people, only you with that one email would be able to see it.

[Peperoma]

Hello guys,

I would like to ask if anyone knows where this place is?
I thought it would be on SS Ravna Gora, but according to the onboard it doesn't look like it.

https://youtube.com/shorts/KV9rsGDsyuI?feature=share

[CeskyOndra]

Hello guys,

I would like to ask if anyone knows where this place is?
I thought it would be on SS Ravna Gora, but according to the onboard it doesn't look like it.

https://youtube.com/shorts/KV9rsGDsyuI?feature=share

Hi, I was in this place last year :D Really good spot, it was on SS Konstanjevac.. This place is now SS1 Krasic and it is running opposite direction, so probably not really enjoyable. But few corners down the hill, there was pretty nice cut and I will probably be there.. If you want to know exact location, look at the onboard from last year's Konstajevac (towards the end, you will clearly find it) or just text me and I will find it on maps!

[CeskyOndra]

https://www.yr.no/nb/v%C3%A6rvarsel/daglig-tabell/2-3193232/Kroatia/Primorje-Gorski%20Kotar%20County/Platak

-6 degrees and snowfall is now forecasted for Platak stage (Wednesday before the rally).. Otherwise, looks like rainy weekend ahead maybe, now it is 30 degrees here and it has to change..

[drive]

I am releasing guide for Croatia Rally 2024 that has all info needed for your maximum enjoyment. Its deeply analyzed and prepared for you so you dont have to do any work if you plan to attend rally.
........
SHAKEDOWN MAP LINK HERE: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1e2u4BHC1tPzCLDu9bSfYJCtUDEM1y_c&usp=sharing


That is phenomenal, just checked shakedown map..., i could imagine how long it took to do all rally :) I was in Croatia two last years, walked half of shakedown and can confirm that videos are spot on, would definitely buy guide like this, but this year i'm not coming...

[Eli]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyundai-to-run-irish-flags-in-croatia-as-breen-tribute/

[Peperoma]

Offtopic @CeskyOndra I send you PM

[EstWRC]

What’s the weather prediction?

Saw from Fourmaux story that it was even snowing during recce

[Lect3R]

For the rally cloudy-cold with possible light rain on some stages as it stands for now.

[Tauri_J]

https://www.yr.no/nb/v%C3%A6rvarsel/daglig-tabell/2-3193232/Kroatia/Primorje-Gorski%20Kotar%20County/Platak

-6 degrees and snowfall is now forecasted for Platak stage (Wednesday before the rally).. Otherwise, looks like rainy weekend ahead maybe, now it is 30 degrees here and it has to change..

20cm of snow.........on monday

[CeskyOndra]

What’s the weather prediction?

Saw from Fourmaux story that it was even snowing during recce

This even isnt Platak, this was Stojdraga. Real snow will come on tomorrow's recce! Btw guys, Im on the way to Croatia rn, so I will be updating you about weather situation during the weekend :)

[EstWRC]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240416/2fb3b6ad23d3b9b336a9d969b24e42d5.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240416/feba3172be66a1c1b50d6a784af969f1.jpg

[TypeR]

What IF there will be snow on stages during the rally?
Snowploughs drive thru, stages cancelled, most entertaining event for fans(slicks on snow)?

[Managarium]

There will be no snow. Only today was ''apocalyptic'' weather.
Yesterday in Croatia it was about 25°C, sunny and today it was about 5°C.
So during the rally it will be 10-15°C and possibly some local rain.

[CeskyOndra]

There will be no snow. Only today was ''apocalyptic'' weather.
Yesterday in Croatia it was about 25°C, sunny and today it was about 5°C.
So during the rally it will be 10-15°C and possibly some local rain.

Yes, just maybe on Platak stage will be some snow on the sides of the stage, but no snow on the road at all

[J4MIE]

What IF there will be snow on stages during the rally?
Snowploughs drive thru, stages cancelled, most entertaining event for fans(slicks on snow)?

All the worry would be about ice. If there is ice then stages get cancelled, as they don’t have the tyres for it.
I’m sure there won’t be any issues as others have commented.

[Tauri_J]

Would be kinda silly to cancel a stage because of snow, when you think about Monte Carlo.

[TypeR]

Would be kinda silly to cancel a stage because of snow, when you think about Monte Carlo.
In Monte you have snow + studded tyres in choice, but Croatia is just slicks.

[denkimi]

Unless there are steep uphill or downhill section that just can't be done with slicks, i don't see any problem. They will just need to take it slow.

The only issue is that it will create very changing conditions, fucking over some drivers because they have to clean.

[Tauri_J]

In Monte you have snow + studded tyres in choice, but Croatia is just slicks.

No, they have rain tyres also. Which are a lot better than slicks, still obviously not meant for snow/ice.

[CeskyOndra]

So we have done the recce by now, bit of snow in some places but this won't last for long. Otherwise, conditions are changing a lot. Really really slippery forests with deep cuts and standing water but also quite dry section between the fields.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Recce pics from Official WRC

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLWreq8XsAArwHr?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLWreq_W0AAzF6J?format=jpg&name=medium

[Managarium]

So we have done the recce by now, bit of snow in some places but this won't last for long. Otherwise, conditions are changing a lot. Really really slippery forests with deep cuts and standing water but also quite dry section between the fields.

Don't forget that tarmac on croatian roads is mostly piece of crap:D

[J4MIE]

Tyres available for Rally1:

235/40-18 - PZERO WRC HA (Hard)
235/40-18 - PZERO WRC SA (Soft)
235/40-18 - WRC RWB (Wet)

[Morte66]

Don't forget that tarmac on croatian roads is mostly piece of crap:D

Is that what the sheep are for, to fill the potholes?

I shouldn't joke -- here in the UK, a friend of mine recently had the suspension on his car (BMW Ix) broken by a pothole. Six thousand quid to fix, covered by insurance thankfully.

[Managarium]

Potholes are normal thing in Croatia, here we are so used to it, that is a normal thing for us.
but I'm talking of something else. Majority of roads in Croatia are paved with limestone asphalt. It is a low quality and slippery as hell. Your normal car will have problems with grip.
In 2021 WRC drivers told that asphalt was tricky, slippery, challenging...

But it could be worse.
The worst tarmac roads are in Istria and Dalmatia.
There are rumours that WRC could be in Istria next years. The interior of Istria, when it rains the roads are so slippery that it is like you are driving on ice + stone walls on each side of the road. So good luck.

[Managarium]

Just look at this beauty

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[CeskyOndra]

Potholes are normal thing in Croatia, here we are so used to it, that is a normal thing for us.
but I'm talking of something else. Majority of roads in Croatia are paved with limestone asphalt. It is a low quality and slippery as hell. Your normal car will have problems with grip.
In 2021 WRC drivers told that asphalt was tricky, slippery, challenging...

But it could be worse.
The worst tarmac roads are in Istria and Dalmatia.
There are rumours that WRC could be in Istria next years. The interior of Istria, when it rains the roads are so slippery that it is like you are driving on ice + stone walls on each side of the road. So good luck.

Yes, it is very slippery even on dry

[denkimi]

Just look at this beauty

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seems good. Here in belgium a lot of roads are worse when they are brand new.

[hari]

Some pictures from Servicepark: https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_croatia_rallye_2024.html

https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia/1.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia/2.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia/3.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia/4.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia/5.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia/6.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia/7.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia/9.jpg

[TypeR]

Brand new cars for Tanak and Neuville for this rally..

[CeskyOndra]

Brand new cars for Tanak and Neuville for this rally..

Thaťs because they gonna be 1-2

[J4MIE]

Thaťs because they gonna be 1-2

Evans has usually gone well in Croatia…

[Rallyest]

Any information has the Update for Tänaks car has been installed now? I remember it was supposed to be from croatia they get it fixed?

[TypeR]

Watching SD live from youtube.. and wtf :D double commentating.. Becs + some spanish guys?

[Rallyper]

Watching SD live from youtube.. and wtf :D double commentating.. Becs + some spanish guys?

Why not pay for RallyTV? And you get it all.

[TypeR]

Why not pay for RallyTV? And you get it all. it's live from wrc official youtube page..

[Rallyper]

it's live from wrc official youtube page..

Well, I choose RallyTV and got no problems.

[TypeR]

Well, I choose RallyTV and got no problems.
Glad to hear.

1st run of SD
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLbjvzRWAAA8z3p?format=jpg&name=small

[rallyfiend]

Those new Hyundai chassis seem quick out of the box....

[RS]

Why not pay for RallyTV? And you get it all.

Because the app is (or at least was) terrible.

[rallyfiend]

Because the app is (or at least was) terrible.

The design isn't great, but I've never had real problems with the actual video stream.

[Rallyper]

Because the app is (or at least was) terrible.

Yeah. Been frustrated too, in the beginning. It´s about finding actual rally to follow live. Sometimes you´re getting here and there, it seems.
However, after a while like otherwise, you get used to the new interface.

[COD]

Was there something noteworthy, or why some drivers have 10mins from 3rd run?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The Toyota's of Ogier & Evans have gone fastest on Run 3 of SD.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Was there something noteworthy, or why some drivers have 10mins from 3rd run?

Probably just a run with a VIP / guest in the car.

[Rallyper]

Why these 10:00 minutes on SD?

[PLuto]

Why these 10:00 minutes on SD?

It is on all events this year, when they are driving with VIP codriver.

[Rallyper]

It is on all events this year, when they are driving with VIP codriver.

Thanks. Haven´t just noticed it before, honestly.

[PLuto]

Why these 10:00 minutes on SD?

But if you want, you can find times of third run here: https://rally-base.com/2024/croatia-rally-2024/?ssId=8083&ssGroupId=3

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The Toyota's of Ogier & Evans have gone fastest on Run 3 of SD.


Probably just a run with a VIP / guest in the car.

Am I on people's ignore list or something ? ;)

[COD]

Probably just a run with a VIP / guest in the car.

Ok, have not known/noticed that before

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ogier-fastest-on-croatia-shakedown/

[drive]

Any one knows time/location for drivers autographs session?

[AlanaFord]

Any one knows time/location for drivers autographs session?

6pm, National and Uniiversity Library, precisely at the Zagreb fountains in front of library

[Rallyper]

Am I on people's ignore list or something ? ;)

Not on mine... ;)

[Rallyper]

Pickems closing time is Friday morning at 08:25 CEST.
Just a reminder.

[AlanaFord]

6pm, National and Uniiversity Library, precisely at the Zagreb fountains in front of library
Sorry that is for meet the crews location, autograph session is at service park, any minute now

[Eli]

What's the forecast for the weekend? Much rain expected?

[focus206]

No service during the first day? Who gets technical problems tomorrow is in big trouble...

[Morte66]

What's the forecast for the weekend? Much rain expected?

Rain on Saturday, they said during shakedown this morning.

[Managarium]

https://i.postimg.cc/Bb0cyssS/viber-slika-2024-04-18-17-15-35-979.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Video:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=978195207256215&ref=sharing

[Tauri_J]

Jesus thats almost certain death.

[denkimi]

No service during the first day? Who gets technical problems tomorrow is in big trouble...

we see this more and more and I think it's utterly stupid.
One small mistake that would normally make you lose a little like a bend wheel time will now completely ruin your rally because you can't get it fixed.
They should at least allow the mechanics to bring the parts to the regroup and let the drivers themself try and fix it. That would create some nice epic story's, instead of forcing drivers to just retire because they can't get if repaired.

[hari]

Some pictures from Thursday: https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_croatia_rallye_2024.html
https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia2/1.jpg

https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia2/6.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia2/14.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia2/13.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia2/15.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia2/12.jpg

[J4MIE]

we see this more and more and I think it's utterly stupid.
One small mistake that would normally make you lose a little like a bend wheel time will now completely ruin your rally because you can't get it fixed.
They should at least allow the mechanics to bring the parts to the regroup and let the drivers themself try and fix it. That would create some nice epic story's, instead of forcing drivers to just retire because they can't get if repaired.

“We want more endurance in rallies, it shouldn’t be a sprint!”

“No, not like that”


You can carry spare parts in the car if you want to, or take the risk not to.

[CeskyOndra]

we see this more and more and I think it's utterly stupid.
One small mistake that would normally make you lose a little like a bend wheel time will now completely ruin your rally because you can't get it fixed.
They should at least allow the mechanics to bring the parts to the regroup and let the drivers themself try and fix it. That would create some nice epic story's, instead of forcing drivers to just retire because they can't get if repaired.

It is just because of Platak stage

[Duvel]

Lets see tomorrow, hope for a good battle between top guys. Thierry wil be fast i think! Curious for the speed of Fourmaux, could be fast here as well.

Wrc 2 i think Rossel wil be the benchmark.

No service during the day is stupid i agree, remote service is the answer!

[Backa]

we see this more and more and I think it's utterly stupid.
One small mistake that would normally make you lose a little like a bend wheel time will now completely ruin your rally because you can't get it fixed.
They should at least allow the mechanics to bring the parts to the regroup and let the drivers themself try and fix it. That would create some nice epic story's, instead of forcing drivers to just retire because they can't get if repaired.

But we also have post-saturday points reset. I would say friday's issues matter less this year for overall point gain than in previous seasons.

[Morte66]

But we also have post-saturday points reset. I would say friday's issues matter less this year for overall point gain than in previous seasons.

That certainly helps, but it doesn't help on Friday afternoon if your preferred driver broke a prop shaft on stage 3. ;)

Once upon a time, when rally was primarily consumed via news reports and highlights and so on at the end of the day, this was less important. But if you want to sell live video to people who watch the whole of every stage, there has to be something for them to watch. It has to be interesting as it goes along, not just at the end of the day.

It's not like we have a lot of WRC1 cars now. Imagine if Friday started with 2.5 teams and restarted after lunch with 1.5...

[Morte66]

And here we go!

[Rallyper]

Puh. Had to log in, but computer also was in bad shape... Pickems closed.
Let´s start the rally!

[jonkka]

But if you want to sell live video to people who watch the whole of every stage, there has to be something for them to watch. It has to be interesting as it goes along, not just at the end of the day.

If driver hits problems, loses minutes and thus are out of the contention, they hardly are interesting to watch any more. They are not going to win and only win matters. If I'd like watching cars being driven, I'd camp along motorway.

[TypeR]

Tanak losing a looot to Neuville.. +8.5 on split 5

E: +17.8 at finish

[Morte66]

Well, stage 1 at least appears to have strong reverse-cleaning. I wonder if the whole rally will be like this. If so, Neuville is looking very hard to beat.

[Morte66]

Well, nice co-commentator this morning.

[jonkka]

Again I am amazed why Hyundai chose Mikkelsen for this rally.

[Tauri_J]

This is gonna be some boring rally.....again.

At least F1 qualy starts in half an hour

[Tauri_J]

Again I am amazed why Hyundai chose Mikkelsen for this rally.

Very weird, they should have put him on gravel. At least then he could have a chance for something. Makes him look worse than he actually is.

[rp]

At least F1 qualy starts in half an hour

It will be a lot more boring!

[Mackie]

Again I am amazed why Hyundai chose Mikkelsen for this rally.

I think the idea, tarmac "specialist", is that of the two (Mikkelsen and Lappi") he is the driver with more positive experience on this surface. So if you should pick rallies this makes more sense. But Mikkelsen is very slow when both conditions and feeling with the car are poor. I hope we will see more postive pace later, here he had an overshoot.

[jonkka]

I think the idea, tarmac "specialist", is that of the two (Mikkelsen and Lappi") he is the driver with more positive experience on this surface.

Hyundai also has Sordo signed on, don't they?

[Tauri_J]

It will be a lot more boring!

Qualifying is always exctiting, race not so much lol

[Morte66]

Hmm. Lots of mess on the road in WRC2. Rossel was good, and Greensmith looked good for a guy who thought he had a puncture, but Gryazin went like a rocket.

Lots of tyre choices in play, which won't unwind until the end of the loop.

Pajari looking more committed than he did on the tarmac at Monte (not driving for points in either).

Given the way the field has spread out, Evans not doing too badly compared to Neuville.

It was funny when Ingrassia said that he thought the current WRC1 hybrids are too different from WRC2 for new drivers to get the hang of them, and that he politely disagreed with Thierry Neuville about that, and then a few seconds later we had the footage of Mikkelsen overshooting the corner.

[CeskyOndra]

This is gonna be some boring rally.....again.

At least F1 qualy starts in half an hour

Then shut the f*ck up and go watch F1

[Morte66]

Hyundai also has Sordo signed on, don't they?

I would think they'd want to give Sordo the best possible road position for Portugal/Sardinia which are big cleaning rallies. He's won Sardina a couple of times thanks to starting late on the road, if I remember correctly.

[meh]

At least nice coverage so far - Ingrassia as co-commentator, "studio" moving around, "pop-up Porter" collecting road-section insights.

and a nice amount of splits to follow.

[Rallyper]

Mikkelsen overshot.
This SS2 will be demanding.
And Ingrassia says SS3 will be a nightmare...

[Morte66]

Eh, that grass needed trimming anyway.

[meh]

Eh, that grass needed trimming anyway.

The context - Rossel went to the grass after the jump, really lucky that there wasn't anything solid there, it could be game over.

[Jeppe]

The context - Rossel went to the grass after the jump, really lucky that there wasn't anything solid there, it could be game over.

Few years ago there was a stump and Pajari hit it...

[Mackie]

In SS2?

[Mackie]

Mikkelsen overshoot in SS2?

[meh]

SS3 conditions: https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/1781235583928414635

[meh]

How many "bljat" Grazin said? :) If commentators could only know what they are talking about...

[Tauri_J]

Then shut the f*ck up and go watch F1

Thank you it was a crazy session

[Morte66]

Mikkelsen overshoot in SS2?
In SS1

[meh]

In SS1

and the video of it: https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/status/1781224463239106847

[Mackie]

In SS1

Right, so he was slowest of the R1s on SS2 without overshoot...

[doubled1978]

I fear Mikkelsen has made a grave error taking the part programme on tarmac with Hyundai over the full season with MSport.
No seat time and poor road position on all rallies, bad recipe.

[Morte66]

Right, so he was slowest of the R1s on SS2 without overshoot...

Yeah, he really doesn't look comfortable in the hybrids. I thought after Monte they should enter him in several local rallies in a WRC1 to get seat time, but I don't think they did much of that.

[Morte66]

I fear Mikkelsen has made a grave error taking the part programme on tarmac with Hyundai over the full season with MSport.
No seat time and poor road position on all rallies, bad recipe.

I agree, but I wonder did he have much choice? If this is what was on offer...

[Rallyper]

mikkelsen overshoot in ss2?

ss1.

[deephouse]

Probably he thought the Puma is bad car.. Even if he did good performances this year, he is not guaranteed if he would get full season next year. Although even if FIA will not act quick, there is a chance that WRC could die if Hyundai will not continue.

[denkimi]

I fear Mikkelsen has made a grave error taking the part programme on tarmac with Hyundai over the full season with MSport.
No seat time and poor road position on all rallies, bad recipe.
just compare him to munster, who has done less km's on tarmac than mikkelsen.

Mikkelsen looks like a paydriver so far this season.

[meh]

Maybe we should just not have too big expectations of Mikkelsen? He jumps into the car over a long time, he lacks testing days, there is no reason for heroics, there is bad road position etc. We can ask questions about Hyundai for the decision to choose him for the tarmac events, but I don't blame Mikkelsen.

[Rallyest]

Maybe we should just not have too big expectations of Mikkelsen? He jumps into the car over a long time, he lacks testing days, there is no reason for heroics, there is bad road position etc. We can ask questions about Hyundai for the decision to choose him for the tarmac events, but I don't blame Mikkelsen.

Well, i get it, but a driver with his experience and knowledge on tarmac shouldnt almost get piped by Munster who is miles away from him with experience and seat time

[EstWRC]

Can’t follow this week. Why so bad times from Tänak so far?

[Rallyper]

Well, i get it, but a driver with his experience and knowledge on tarmac shouldnt almost get piped by Munster who is miles away from him with experience and seat time

You have to drive a Rally1 a little yourself, and then you´d understand...
Btw; on SS3 Mikkelsen is faster than Munster.

[jonkka]

You have to drive a Rally1 a little yourself, and then you´d understand...

So you can say that milk is sour unless you're a cow yourself? Criticism doesn't work that way.

[jonkka]

You have to drive a Rally1 a little yourself, and then you´d understand...

So you can't say that milk is sour unless you're a cow yourself? Criticism doesn't work that way.

[jonkka]

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[jonkka]

Sorry about duplicates, tried to edit the original and forum software thinks I try to reply again.

[tonirali]

Ali Turkkan's time in SS1 is absurd, wow, splitting Brynildsen and Ciamin in a Fiesta Rally3. And now Jürgenson faster than Linnamäe and Brynildsen too!

[denkimi]

Can’t follow this week. Why so bad times from Tänak so far?

I assume just the dirt due to his road position. except for fourmeaux, the current standings are exactly like the start position.

[meh]

Well, i get it, but a driver with his experience and knowledge on tarmac shouldnt almost get piped by Munster who is miles away from him with experience and seat time

We should look separately at overall experience (which is of course valuable), and experience during last year. He is not talented like Loeb or Ogier.

[Mackie]

just compare him to munster, who has done less km's on tarmac than mikkelsen.

Mikkelsen looks like a paydriver so far this season.

Has Munster done fewer km's on tarmac than Mikkelsen in R1?

[flat_right]

Can’t follow this week. Why so bad times from Tänak so far?

He says that the car feels very nervous, making handling quite challenging. Additionally, the road conditions are getting worse car by car, further complicating matters for the car. In a high-speed tarmac rally characterized by lots of elevation changes, the time loss is very easy to come.

[Mackie]

He says that the car feels very nervous, making handling quite challenging. Additionally, the road conditions are getting worse car by car, further complicating matters for the car. In a high-speed tarmac rally characterized by lots of elevation changes, the time loss is very easy to come.

I see also Mikkelsen with many corrections, the car seems twitchy...

[flat_right]

I assume just the dirt due to his road position. except for fourmeaux, the current standings are exactly like the start position.

Ogier comes after Tänak and is 3rd.

[meh]

So far, Neuville has achieved a really valuable "road-position trophy" for his good start of the season.

[denkimi]

Has Munster done fewer km's on tarmac than Mikkelsen in R1?
No, i was wrong.

They have both done monte and now croatia, but mikkelsen has also done the Rally Regione Piemonte (rally di alba) last week.
But i forgot that munster has done the central european rally last year, so he has a bit more km's on tarmac, although some longer time ago.

[Mackie]

So far, Neuville has achieved a really valuable "road-position trophy" for his good start of the season.

This will be a penalty later on.

[AndersX]

This is Neuville year; just note those small things that turns to his way, even weather. I hope TN has what it takes to beat Evans for the title ( Tanak so far has not performed as someone who actually has a shot on the title; no signs of any fight either; i hope i am wrong about him, though).

[Rallyest]

This is Neuville year; just note those small things that turns to his way, even weather. I hope TN has what it takes to beat Evans for the title ( Tanak so far has not performed as someone who actually has a shot on the title; no signs of any fight either; i hope i am wrong about him, though).

First rallies have been dissapointing for Tänak yes, but i wouldnt say he doesnt have a shot at the title just yet, He never has been as strong on tarmac as Neuville or Evans, and the gravel rallies where he has a starting position advantage are just coming

[meh]

This will be a penalty later on.

That is also true, but not that much compared to his closest rivals for the rally win. With returned starting order, the difference between the 6th and 8th car is not as much as between the 1st and 3rd for example.

[denkimi]

That is also true, but not that much compared to his closest rivals for the rally win. With returned starting order, the difference between the 6th and 8th car is not as much as between the 1st and 3rd for example.

indeed. ogier, rovanpera and even sordo could take away a lot of points from him.

[deephouse]

Maybe we should just not have too big expectations of Mikkelsen? He jumps into the car over a long time, he lacks testing days, there is no reason for heroics, there is bad road position etc. We can ask questions about Hyundai for the decision to choose him for the tarmac events, but I don't blame Mikkelsen.

Of course we should. He have more than 120 WRC events behind him, even more rallies, 3 WRC wins (remember that half of the grid have none or less), many titles behind his belt, hands on many different cars... at that stage of his career it's not excuse anymore that he is not good for tarmac. He is working again with FX, so he should be better. Why the hell is Sordo with his age still up there, everytime he is behind the wheel.

[doubled1978]

Maybe we should just not have too big expectations of Mikkelsen? He jumps into the car over a long time, he lacks testing days, there is no reason for heroics, there is bad road position etc. We can ask questions about Hyundai for the decision to choose him for the tarmac events, but I don't blame Mikkelsen.

I don’t blame him so much for the performance, of course I think he should be better than he is showing, but I do blame him for picking the Hyundai programme over the MSport one. He chose this option, surely he knew that he would be up against it on all the tarmac rallies with road position?
You can say after last year, he may have thought that he was doing the right thing, but when you look at the rallies he has been offered and no seat time, it’s turning turtle very quickly.
The Ford isn’t as good as the Hyundai, but for sure he would have a better chance at some good results by doing all the rallies and having decent road position on gravel.

[denkimi]

I don’t blame him so much for the performance, of course I think he should be better than he is showing, but I do blame him for picking the Hyundai programme over the MSport one. He chose this option, surely he knew that he would be up against it on all the tarmac rallies with road position?
You can say after last year, he may have thought that he was doing the right thing, but when you look at the rallies he has been offered and no seat time, it’s turning turtle very quickly.
The Ford isn’t as good as the Hyundai, but for sure he would have a better chance at some good results by doing all the rallies and having decent road position on gravel.
Now that i think about it. Why doesn't hyndai lets mikkelsen do more rallies as a 4th car so he has a good starting position for croatia? I never quite understood why they limit themself to 3 cars, when they could have 4 or even more to take points away from toyota.

[jonkka]

Now that i think about it. Why doesn't hyndai lets mikkelsen do more rallies as a 4th car so he has a good starting position for croatia? I never quite understood why they limit themself to 3 cars, when they could have 4 or even more to take points away from toyota.

That would only work in Drivers' Championship and I fear that priority for Hyundai is Manufacturers' title.

[Rallyper]

So you can't say that milk is sour unless you're a cow yourself? Criticism doesn't work that way.

i guess the question why Mikkelsen doesn´t promt adapt to asphaltrallies in a Rally1 car is a bit more complicated than deciding quality of milk...
Your call. ;)

[deephouse]

Now that i think about it. Why doesn't hyndai lets mikkelsen do more rallies as a 4th car so he has a good starting position for croatia? I never quite understood why they limit themself to 3 cars, when they could have 4 or even more to take points away from toyota.

I think that if everone agrees, it could be done. Right now it would throw bad light on M-Sport running two cars almost everywhere, although it's no point at all having four cars. The rules allow only 3 nominated drivers to score points for manufacturer championship. At the star of the season, they were clear they are after driver's title and that they will do anything to do it. Even put Tanak or Neuville aside during the season for that.

[jonkka]

i guess the question why Mikkelsen doesn´t promt adapt to asphaltrallies in a Rally1 car is a bit more complicated than deciding quality of milk...
Your call. ;)

The point is: don't ask critics to drive Rally1 car before they can say their opinion.

[Rallyper]

The point is: don't ask critics to drive Rally1 car before they can say their opinion.

If you say your opinion you have to be sure it doesn´t look ridiculously.

I´d rather seen Ostberg or Loeb quoting that, than some guy not having the whole picture.

[jonkka]

If you say your opinion you have to be sure it doesn´t look ridiculously.

If someone's opinion is ridiculous, the only person humiliated by that is the person who put forward such funny opinion. Why should it bother you, having something to smile about?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Top 3 within 0.3s on SS4, incredibly close !

[Rallyper]

If someone's opinion is ridiculous, the only person humiliated by that is the person who put forward such funny opinion. Why should it bother you, having something to smile about?

I can smile. And did.

But Mikkelsen should be treated after what he does, not from subjective understanding. That means you have to be honest. I was remarking that.

[denkimi]

If you say your opinion you have to be sure it doesn´t look ridiculously.

I´d rather seen Ostberg or Loeb quoting that, than some guy not having the whole picture.
i don't have to be a pilot to know something is wrong when i see a helicopter hanging upside down in a tree.

i don't have to be a world champion to see whether a driver is doing good or not.

[1988senna]

why tanak is so slow?

[Doon]

Mikkelsen was +2.15 secs/km on the first stage. That has gradually come down to +0.98 secs/km on SS4. He probably deserves to reach the end of the rally until his pace is judged.

[Päss1928]

why tanak is so slow?

Says car is not good, worse than in Monte, and he was also the only one who took all softs, which wasn't optimal.

[Morte66]

Gryazin is looking pretty badass. Looking at his onboards, he is the WRC2 I find easiest to mistake for WRC1.

I didn't pay much attention to WRC2 before this year. I had the impression that he was always quick but crashed a lot, and he's been getting more reliable in recent years. Is that about right?

[TypeR]

Gryazin is looking pretty badass. Looking at his onboards, he is the WRC2 I find easiest to mistake for WRC1.

I didn't pay much attention to WRC2 before this year. I had the impression that he was always quick but crashed a lot, and he's been getting more reliable in recent years. Is that about right?
It is also tarmac + C3 combo, that works well on such roads.. like they were fast in Monte with Rossell also

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen even said on The WRC Magazine show that he was surprised he was given the tarmac events by Hyundai: "I'm not a tarmac specialist..."

[AndersX]

why tanak is so slow?

Car, environment, boss, teammate, Estonian journalists etc etc....retirement agents are calling already.....

[TypeR]

Vegan rallycar, nom-nom-nom
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLhV_xHWMAArlPt?format=jpg&name=medium
Photo from WRC twitter

[CeskyOndra]

Impressive morning from Evans and Ogier tho.. Let's see if some rain would come in the Afternoon, some clouds ale rising here

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Impressive morning from Evans and Ogier tho.. Let's see if some rain would come in the Afternoon, some clouds ale rising here

My weather app shows 0% chance of a rain this afternoon. But on Saturday its light rain possible all day.

[Rallyper]

i don't have to be a pilot to know something is wrong when i see a helicopter hanging upside down in a tree.

i don't have to be a world champion to see whether a driver is doing good or not.

Of course not. But you need to have the whole picture, which I´m very certain most of us guys don´t have. With some exceptions. But they are few.

[Backa]

Of course not. But you need to have the whole picture, which I´m very certain most of us guys don´t have. With some exceptions. But they are few.

No one has whole picture, even Mikkelsen. And it's not courtroom, opinion that Mikkelsen's driving is disappointing so far isn't as ridiculous as you painted it.

[flatout227]

Rain started this moment on stage Krašić-Sošice

[Rallyper]

No one has whole picture, even Mikkelsen. And it's not courtroom, opinion that Mikkelsen's driving is disappointing so far isn't as ridiculous as you painted it.

Well, I disagree.

Let´s judge from what he achieves in the end of the rally. Let´s talk then.

Let´s go back to the rally itself.

[EstWRC]

Tänak fighting with Fourmaux is a thing I didn’t expect for this season

[meh]

Fourmaux is doing well. If we take the assumption, that M-Sport's Ford is not on the level with Hyundai and Toyota, then very well.

[CeskyOndra]

Schwarz crash, crew ok

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C58SPYtI2iY/?igsh=a214dWNucGI1dWc=

[er88]

What is the point of Mikkelsen? Lappi or Sordo would do a better job

[deephouse]

Why there isn't satellite teams anymore like 10 years ago? That way it could run last years' cars or old spec. Or paying drivers. The grid would be bigger.

[Franky]

Why there isn't satellite teams anymore like 10 years ago? That way it could run last years' cars or old spec. Or paying drivers. The grid would be bigger.

There wouldn't be more people. Otherwise M-Sport would be fielding as many chassis as they have.

[jonkka]

Why there isn't satellite teams anymore like 10 years ago? That way it could run last years' cars or old spec. Or paying drivers. The grid would be bigger.

What good would a bigger grid do if all those satellite teams would be, as they mostly have been, just padding with no competitive ability whatsoever? Lower classes already exist for that reason, what's really needed is more competitive teams who can challenge for the win.

[meh]

Neuville rear-left off the tim at the stage end. When comparing splits, lost ~9sec to Evans.

[TypeR]

Sorry for interrupting ,,why Mikkelsen is driving..'' conversation..

But Neuville had FR puncture, but didn't lose too much..

[meh]

Neuville rear-left off the rim at the stage end. When comparing splits, lost ~9sec to Evans.

edit: I got confused by camera-position, it was front right.

[Morte66]

Ogier shaking his ass there...

[Morte66]

But Neuville had FR puncture, but didn't lose too much..
Damn, he got away with it again. [/Evans fan]

[meh]

Damn, he got away with it again. [/Evans fan]

He did not have "too huge" time loss at this stage but lost one extra tool (soft tire) for the next stages, so potentially it produces further time loss.

edit: Neuville said, that it will not affect the day.

[deephouse]

Damn, he got away with it again. [/Evans fan]

Evans did it at least three times in Kenya.

[/WRC fan]

[tonirali]

Matteo Fontana climbing up the RC4 leaderboard after a puncture in SS1, impressive!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville clipped a rock 5km in and damaged the wheel so did well to lose so little.

[CeskyOndra]

Sorry for interrupting ,,why Mikkelsen is driving..'' conversation..

But Neuville had FR puncture, but didn't lose too much..

What time lost are you expecting on 10km stage?

[Morte66]

Lopez had a small spin/off, recovered, lost maybe 30 secs.

[Morte66]

Pajari is doing his bit to reduce the commercialization of rallying, by knocking the advertising hoardings over.

[TypeR]

What time lost are you expecting on 10km stage?
At least 15minutes

[Morte66]

Evans into the lead and Tanak going fast. It's all happening.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak has got the car to attack now.

[meh]

Tanak has got the car to attack now.

*Tänak has got the car to not lose too much now.

[Kras]

I'm sad to say it, but Mikkelsen is completely washed.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Stage win for Ogier reminding us he's still the fastest when conditions are equal.

[meh]

Stage win for Ogier reminding us he's still the fastest when conditions are equal.

Old bones need some warm-up and tomorrow he will start his fight-back for the win.

[TypeR]

I believe Mikkelsen would have done this stage same time with wrc2 car..

Lost 5.5s to Munster..

[AndersX]

Damn, he got away with it again. [/Evans fan]

What i say - when it is meant, all the small things go your direction. It seems more and more this is TN year!

[meh]

Eem, Katsuta 1.3 fastest (Ogier still to come) at the 1st split, 1.7 at the 2nd split.

[jonkka]

After full day of rallying they are on equal time!

[meh]

So, close to 2h of driving and the difference between Neuville and Evans is... 0.0sec.

[Morte66]

Hot damn. Equal times at the end of the day. I think Neuville leads on stage wins.

They say Evans goes first tomorrow, but I want to hear that confirmed...

[TypeR]

At the end of the day Neuville and Evans equal overall time :D

[jonkka]

What a way to regain lead... :)

[jonkka]

On equal times, Neuville is leader as he was faster on SS1.

[Morte66]

Edit: Possibly a stage win for Fourmaux, with Neuville/Evans/Tanak all going for it. That's quite impressive.

Edit: Katsuta quick too. It's like this stage is cleaning...

[Morte66]

On equal times, Neuville is leader as he was faster on SS1.

So will that set the running order for tomorrow?

[deephouse]

How many times they clash with those times already. They are quite a rivals. But I do know something, Neuville did beat him by small margin a few times already. This year is all or nothing for those two. It would be fun if the battle would go on the wire on a last stage on a last rally and (again) by small margin. Everyone would be bitting their nails and pull their hair to the end.

[jonkka]

So will that set the running order for tomorrow?

Yes.

[meh]

When road conditions are equal, it's quite interesting. 23.63km stage and everyone is quite close.

Really nice times from Fourmaux and Katsuta.

Just everyone will be probably smashed by Ogier...

Tänak did a good stage and is 6th fastest on the stage. On the season 2024, it is something good.

[jonkka]

Looks like a stage win for Fourmaux, with Neuville/Evans/Tanak all going for it. That's quite impressive.

Ogier seems to disagree.

[TypeR]

Ogier doesn't fool around.. massive time on this stage

[Morte66]

Ogier seems to disagree.

Yep, I forgot about him. Well, that was foolish...

[meh]

Interesting fact from Ingrassia - Lefebre is the gravel crew for Ogier, because Ogier wanted more precise and not-that-much-on-the-safe-side notes.

[Morte66]

Holy cow. That is sensational from Ogier. And look at Ogier sweating.

[meh]

Everyone who thought after the 1st stage that the rally was done, you can rethink it now. And there is rain forecasted for tomorrow.

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UgSvB4JjKio

[Morte66]

Gryazin got an even bigger gain in WRC2 than Ogier in WRC1 on that final stage.

[CeskyOndra]

So 2nd pass is definitely cleaning, we are in the very messy section with gravel and late runners are quicker here because the line is creating here

[Morte66]

So Neuville and Evans end the day essentially where they started.

Ogier ended pretty close, and he will be higher up the order tomorrow than today. Although I'm not at all sure what road position will mean tomorrow if it rains most of the day.

Great day for Gryazin, started down the order on a tarmac rally and ended up with a nice lead.

Pretty good day for Pajari too.

Well, I figure Evans ought to know about rain...

[EstWRC]

Tänak better on afternoon but still the beginning of the season has me really worried. Seems like he has lost something between the two seasons. Really weird

And worst possible scenario for him at the moment with two main contenders ahead and Ogier also taking points away from him.

[archie106]

Interestingly from the onboard looked like Gryazin had a small off after the finish of SS8. Would have liked to have seen a replay from the front facing camera.

[ik1911]

Holy cow. That is sensational from Ogier. And look at Ogier sweating.

Wow!

Ogier on Platak stage!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/cc_rc/53664967344/in/dateposted-public/

[cosmin_sb]

top 3 driver are very close not a boring rally like someone said this in the morning

[Sal yet again]

Know it was from yesterday's s/down but just seen this footage and the first few seconds should see that snapper have any accreditation removed for life..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNmq80F1mkI

[CeskyOndra]

Today without bigger drama for Rally1, so expecting tomorrow lot of retirements maybe, because there is NEVER rally without issues. Let's see guys, favorizing Ogier for the win probably, depends on what Neuville changes today in service

[focus206]

Good job by Evans for being fast and without mistakes. Neuville was faster but he got the puncture... could have gone worse, though. Ogier back in the fight as well.
Who's got the best road position of the 3 for tomorrow? They'll be quite similar, I imagine.

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/42j1kvxp65U

[jcevc]

https://youtu.be/42j1kvxp65U

I was spectator on second pass of SS6 Ravna Gora - Skrad, on spot present also in this video, fast downhill corners with big cuts in forest, pretty unreal experience what this cars and drivers are capable...

I really don`t understand how FIA, promoter etc. don`t want or can`t `upgrade´ this sport a few steps higher in terms of popularity with the general public (IMO pretty much linked to the manufacturers disinterest last two decades).

[hari]

Some pictures from Friday: https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_croatia_rallye_2024.html

https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia3/1.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia3/2.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia3/4.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia3/3.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia3/5.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2024/croatia3/8.jpg

[WRCStan]

https://youtu.be/42j1kvxp65U

How do people watch that and say there's too many/no need for tarmac rallies? Crazy.

Is it sped up footage?

[Morte66]

For me, the only thing wrong with this rally is that it replaced Corsica, and I liked Corsica (even) more.

[becher]

For me, the only thing wrong with this rally is that it replaced Corsica, and I liked Corsica (even) more.

+1

[Humber]

I really don`t understand how FIA, promoter etc. don`t want or can`t `upgrade´ this sport a few steps higher in terms of popularity with the general public (IMO pretty much linked to the manufacturers disinterest last two decades).

In the past, the higher the number of spectators on the WRC stages, the more spectator-related problems there were, which often led to the WRC stage to being cancelled or the rally cars passing at road speed etc.

In my opinion WRC at present is better run with lower number of spectators on the stages, it may reduce the number of idiot spectators on the stages. The spectator groups that stand in the wrong places, even after being told to move, The individual 'thrill seeking' spectators laying on the ground in front of cars and other idiot incidents.

Some of these 2024 WRC Croatia stages would not run in other countries (where the spectators are up the bank in trees) because the spectators are not in designated spectator areas.

The wrc cars running on carbon fuel has the potential to attract the attention of the hand-gluers. The higher the profile of the wrc sport the more likely this is to happen.

[Us44]

Interestingly from the onboard looked like Gryazin had a small off after the finish of SS8. Would have liked to have seen a replay from the front facing camera.

This - https://www.facebook.com/share/v/AjHQZtT7oMSkYxZG/?mibextid=WC7FNe ?

[CeskyOndra]

Croatia is nice in TV, but for the fans it isnt so great. Waking up at 2:30 to watch just 2 passes of SS9, cuz there is just NO entrance to the stage

[Managarium]

WRC Croatia Rally 2024 Subaru Crash

Zero car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZkwZoE39PY

[Morte66]

I admit I'm getting older and my eyes aren't what they used to be, but I don't see any rain on rally.tv.

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2024/photos/croatia-rally_2024/vms_dsc_0634.jpg

https://www.ewrc-results.com//photo/85529-croatia-rally-2024/573/

[Morte66]

I admit I'm getting older and my eyes aren't what they used to be, but I don't see any rain on rally.tv.

... and there it is.

[TypeR]

Fourmaux stage win! 0.5s

[240RS]

Take a bow, Adrien. Impressive start to the day. More importantly, confirming a genuine growth and maturity. That stage time must rank as a turning point of sorts