[WRC] Central European Rally 2023 (26-29 Oct)

[bomber21]

Central European Rally website is up and running.
https://www.centraleuropeanrally.eu/

Tickets now for sale
https://www.centraleuropeanrally.eu/tickets/

Twitter account
https://twitter.com/cerwrc

German city Passau will be the base of the event but the rally will take place in three countries: Germany, Czech Republic and Austria.

Shakedown close to Passau, show start and SSS in Prague, next day 7 SS in Czech Republic (and one SSS), Saturday the SS will be in Austria and Lower Bavaria and Sunday with four stages in the Mühlviertel region (Austria) and Lower Bavaria (Germany) again. The finish ceremony in Passau.

[Eli]

https://centraleuropeanrally.eu/en/#cbp=/en/news-ajax?customBackPid=7444&customNextPid=0&tx_news_pi1%5Baction%5D=detail&tx_news_pi1%5Bcontroller%5D=News&tx_news_pi1%5Bnews%5D=5291&cHash=39d04ce678c5bfb5d780877960a589fd

312.80kms & 18 special stages.
Thursday evening & Friday in the Czech Republic, whilst Saturday & Sunday are in Austria and Germany.

[bomber21]

Tickets bought, flight reserved!!!

[Eli]

Tickets bought, flight reserved!!!

Where are you staying? If you don’t mind me asking.

[Mirek]

If you want to have an idea about our part, look for videos from Rally Šumava/Historic Rally Vltava. Some stages are same, or partially same. Not much to say about the mickey mouse stage in Prague. It will be held in Chuchle hipodrom but they say they will build some new roads there (if I get it right).

[WUff1]

German/Austrian part are partly stages of German 3-Städte Rallye (with special stages also in Austria in the last years) , so to look for videos from there.

[atsiotras79]

If you want to have an idea about our part, look for videos from Rally Šumava/Historic Rally Vltava. Some stages are same, or partially same. Not much to say about the mickey mouse stage in Prague. It will be held in Chuchle hipodrom but they say they will build some new roads there (if I get it right).

Is that where Prague Rallysprint took place in 2013?
I remember I was there for vacation and I took the train (around 30mins) to a hippodrome. And they had 3-4 different mixed stages (tarmac and gravel) in it, simply by changing some barrels, pins, etc… it was not bad…

[Mirek]

Is that where Prague Rallysprint took place in 2013?
I remember I was there for vacation and I took the train (around 30mins) to a hippodrome. And they had 3-4 different mixed stages (tarmac and gravel) in it, simply by changing some barrels, pins, etc… it was not bad…

Yes, that place.

[philippebugalski]

Are there any onboard footage from a rally or roadbook from any of the special stages?

Shakedown will start at 16.00 CET on Wednesday 25.10.?

Thanks

[Mirek]

To be honest I am no expert on Rallye Šumava stages but here is at least something.

SS2 is an old classic spectator circuit in Klatovy reduced from 3 to 2 laps. It is quite boring because it's mainly flat our wide road but they keep it running as a tradition since 1960' or so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4QA9k2hEZA

SS3 shall be a somewhat different and longer variant of this stage which I absolutely like.

SS4 wasn't used in rallies for a long time if I am not mistaken. I tried to find some onboards of the past variants but I wasn't successful on youtube. Some existed on the old mediasport.cz website but those are long gone and I didn't save any. I do remember it used to be a great stage though...

SS5 shall be a way longer and reversed variant of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBrN9KRY5DM

[kollma]

SS4 uses many sections of previous stages, but of course it never had this length. Start is near this intersection on the left road https://youtu.be/p_YeNVeJ5xc?feature=shared&t=157 Honestly, I am quite disappointed that the SS does not include this corner. But you can see the road quality there, the Friday stages are mostly run on a new smooth tarmac.
Most relevent onboard I found is this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDK-Wcp8pQ4 The 0:00-3:50 section is run in the middle of SS4 in the opposite direction. In 2016, the road in the beggining had quite bad quality, but now it also has a new tarmac: https://en.mapy.cz/s/derefokuna

[hari]

Hyundai Motorsport is starting at the final round of the austrian rally championship OBM Bucklige Welt Rallye on September 16th - 17th 2023 with Teemu Suninen / Mikko Markkula in the Rally1 car as preparation for Central European Rally.

Entry list: https://www.obmbuckligewelt-rallye.at/2023/nennliste.html

Intinerary 12 stages (135 km): https://www.obmbuckligewelt-rallye.at/2023/zeitplan.html

[KasperiK]

Does anyone have an even better map than what has been leaked so far? Or does anyone have any information when a more accurate one will possibly become public?

[bomber21]

Where are you staying? If you don’t mind me asking.

IBB but I booked on January….

[KasperiK]

http://www.autosport.cz/zavody/soubor.php?f=26459
some kind of map has been published

[Eli]

https://x.com/hmsgofficial/status/1701868455476031533?s=61&t=6ZLBDYTwlSamYcW0Iki0kg

Suninen confirmed by Hyundai.

[Bartek]

Can you recommend which area is best to stay for a rally? I thought about Cesky Krumlov because it seems to be somewhere in the middle between stages in DE/AU and CZ

[Mirek]

Can you recommend which area is best to stay for a rally? I thought about Cesky Krumlov because it seems to be somewhere in the middle between stages in DE/AU and CZ

Český Krumlov is a beautiful place and it shall offer plenty of accommodation options because it's quite a busy tourist place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-29zM0qmD9Y

As for the rally... I recommend to skip the trip to Prague. You can come here any other day but for the rally it's so far away from the rest of the action that it makes no sense at all to come here and watch just one kilometer long mickey mouse stage.

[Bartek]

Český Krumlov is a beautiful place and it shall offer plenty of accommodation options because it's quite a busy tourist place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-29zM0qmD9Y

As for the rally... I recommend to skip the trip to Prague. You can come here any other day but for the rally it's so far away from the rest of the action that it makes no sense at all to come here and watch just one kilometer long mickey mouse stage.

Thanks a lot. Prague, to be honest, was not an option at all because of the distance and the options involved with the Rally. I have visited the city itself several times and, of course, it always made an overwhelming sensation.

I hope it will be the same with Český Krumlov, because I am calm about the rally itself :)

[PLuto]

Can you recommend which area is best to stay for a rally? I thought about Cesky Krumlov because it seems to be somewhere in the middle between stages in DE/AU and CZ

At home and watch WRC+ :)

[bearclaw]

At home and watch WRC+ :)

Can I hear some sarcastic criticism? ;) If it’s the case let us know why?

[tpt010]

Does anyone know what is the system for rally passes? Do they mail physical passes or is it print-at-home or even within mobile phone? Thank you for any info.

[stanm3]

I received e-ticket by email with a qr code.

[CeskyOndra]

Random fact: Start of SS8 is at 16:58, which is 50 minutes before sunset. There in Czechia are really dark forests and in this time there will be quite dark, so maybe headlights needed. Atleast for Rally2.

[Eli]

Random fact: Start of SS8 is at 16:58, which is 50 minutes before sunset. There in Czechia are really dark forests and in this time there will be quite dark, so maybe headlights needed. Atleast for Rally2.

Wish we'll get to see it, night time rallying is rallying at its best imho.

[denkimi]

Starting just before sunset is stupid, it needlessly changes conditions for drivers.

Either start earlier so everone drives in the daylight, or later so everone drives in the dark.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7xJGJHXUAAG55O?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7xJGJDXIAA1-NL?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7xJGJFXMAAz9A9?format=jpg&name=large

[Mirek]

I hoped for more locals.

[rp]

I hoped for more locals.

That´s true. At least Griebel, Tannert, Geipel, Riedemann, Neubauer, Kopecký & Stříteský are missing.

[mousti]

I hoped for more locals.Me too I expected around 50 rally2 crews here..

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[EstWRC]

Preview of the stages https://youtu.be/0CCHg3O-TQQ?si=kmh8BTmMnxqQnhGf

The guy has also onboard vids of the stages

[PLuto]

Me too I expected around 50 rally2 crews here..

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There is no reason for them to come. Start on any WRC event is very expensive and this rally is with costs over all other limits. So for most of competitors it is waste of money for nothing...

[Mirek]

Preview of the stages https://youtu.be/0CCHg3O-TQQ?si=kmh8BTmMnxqQnhGf

The guy has also onboard vids of the stages

I like the Rabí castle at the very beginning because I was there just on the past Saturday :D

[Andre Oliveira]

Herbst Rally as PET

https://scontent.fopo4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/387770483_7334106763285354_3026155663489462451_n.j pg?stp=dst-webp_e15_q70_s1180x1225_tt1_u&efg=eyJ1cmxnZW4iOiJ1cmxnZW5fZnJvbV91cmwifQ&_nc_cid=0&_nc_ad=z-m&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo4-1.fna&_nc_cat=105&_nc_ohc=Ej9z-28KdtAAX_HOUyU&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=4c1e7d&oh=00_AfDFcZYWR3htwutFt01JgI3WgDIF8HT0wJlQmptvCWa_ pA&oe=652ACD77

[EstWRC]

I like the Rabí castle at the very beginning because I was there just on the past Saturday :D

Nice.

Are you going to the rally ?

[WUff1]

Tänak, Fourmeaux and Ciamin are testing at Austrian Herbst Rallye Dobersberg the weekend before CER.

[WUff1]

Tänak, Fourmeaux and Ciamin are testing at Austrian Herbst Rallye Dobersberg the weekend before CER.

Also Korhonen Roope with Fabia Rallye 2 Evo.

[Mirek]

Nice.

Are you going to the rally ?

Yes but most likely only on Friday. I have some other plans for the weekend. Also despite I'm from Prague I will not attand the Prague SSS.

[EstWRC]

Yes but most likely only on Friday. I have some other plans for the weekend. Also despite I'm from Prague I will not attand the Prague SSS.

That’s great!

Waiting for your feedback later then :)

[CeskyOndra]

Im from Mladá Boleslav which is the city where Škoda is based basically. I will go to the rally from Tuesday to Sunday!

[bearclaw]

I will be also there – that’s the only WRC event where I can sleep at home – so it’s quite near. I will try to catch some PET too. Then I will go to Herbst Rallye to cheer for old Semperit Rallye days and for Tänak. During rally week I’m there form Wednesday until Sunday. Maybe I will try to watch some recce on Monday as well. A few rally days ahead. We will see how it goes…

[CeskyOndra]

Tomorrow is a test day for Kalle

[becher]

So we are planning to go only on Friday, anybody knows if one should buy parking tickets as well or if field parking along the road is possible/permitted in the area of the stages?

[CeskyOndra]

So we are planning to go only on Friday, anybody knows if one should buy parking tickets as well or if field parking along the road is possible/permitted in the area of the stages?

I think that you shouldn't care about parking right now, you can park basically everywhere (on the edge of the road, organizators will make some field parking for 5eur and maybe some local guys can let you park for some money).. But you have to be atleast hour before stage starts, if you won't be there on time, than you have to park quite far

[becher]

I think that you shouldn't care about parking right now, you can park basically everywhere (on the edge of the road, organizators will make some field parking for 5eur and maybe some local guys can let you park for some money).. But you have to be atleast hour before stage starts, if you won't be there on time, than you have to park quite far
Thanks alot, so doing four stages on friday is unlikely?

[Mirek]

Thanks alot, so doing four stages on friday is unlikely?

If you want to spend time by proper planning you can do that.

I will take a walk somewhere far from the crowds and therefore do only two stages but it's just that I prefer to avoid the crowded places.

[becher]

If you want to spend time by proper planning you can do that.

I will take a walk somewhere far from the crowds and therefore do only two stages but it's just that I prefer to avoid the crowded places.

So two separate stages or two passes of one stage? Our current plan is to watch SS3, SS5 and SS6 and SS8. But I still need to check the map if it is feasible to find spots where one can leave early enough from the stage. If not I guess two passes of one stage and one pass of another in between would be nice.

[CeskyOndra]

I think that it is possible to catch SS3,5,6 and 8.. They are not really far away and there is quite a lot of time between.

[CeskyOndra]

We will go to recce and we gonna plan it right before the rally, but I think that it should be okey, you can leave SS after some rally2, by field or forest and go for the next stage

[becher]

I think that it is possible to catch SS3,5,6 and 8.. They are not really far away and there is quite a lot of time between.

Thank you, that was my thinking as well.

[CeskyOndra]

That looks like a flat-out compression. What do you think? You can speed up video to see it better. Time - 16:50

https://youtu.be/Dj4xWc7Q-wU?si=mvTasnq5zpvuE2GO

[bomber21]

I have booked since February, I have spent a lot of money for this and now with all these that happen in Israel, I am a bit afraid to travel in Europe…

Today 6 French airports were evacuated after a bomb threat.

[WRCStan]

I have booked since February, I have spent a lot of money for this and now with all these that happen in Israel, I am a bit afraid to travel in Europe…

Today 6 French airports were evacuated after a bomb threat.

Stop priming yourself with irrelevant negativity unless you are choosing to have a bad time. You'll be fine.

[rallyfiend]

Stop priming yourself with irrelevant negativity unless you are choosing to have a bad time. You'll be fine.

Absolutely agreed. You may encounter some inconvenience.

Go and enjoy yourself in what should be an amazing atmosphere. I read that some tickets are sold out?

Seems many, many fans will be out and about.....

[the sniper]

I have booked since February, I have spent a lot of money for this and now with all these that happen in Israel, I am a bit afraid to travel in Europe…

Today 6 French airports were evacuated after a bomb threat.

Won't you be further away from Israel if you go? And Czechia/Austria will be pretty low on the Islamic extremist priority list if it all kicks off...

[Mirek]

I have booked since February, I have spent a lot of money for this and now with all these that happen in Israel, I am a bit afraid to travel in Europe…

Today 6 French airports were evacuated after a bomb threat.

Don't be afraid!

Per 2023 UN safety report Austria is the 4th safest country on the planet, Czechia 7th and Germany 16th. Here in Czechia we have never had a single islamist attack and not even any demonstration or unrest because there are close to zero muslims living here. Basically the worst thing which can happen to you is our infamous Prague taxi drivers :)

The borderland area, where most of the stages are, is basically low mountains with deep forests, small villages, old castles and plenty of hikers and bikers. I have myself hiked 100 km through there this summer. There is nothing to be afraid of, there are not even any bears, dangerous spiders or snakes there ;)

[Katvala]

Don't be afraid!

Per 2023 UN safety report Austria is the 4th safest country on the planet, Czechia 7th and Germany 16th. Here in Czechia we have never had a single islamist attack and not even any demonstration or unrest because there are close to zero muslims living here. Basically the worst thing which can happen to you is our infamous Prague taxi drivers :)

The borderland area, where most of the stages are, is basically low mountains with deep forests, small villages, old castles and plenty of hikers and bikers. I have myself hiked 100 km through there this summer. There is nothing to be afraid of, there are not even any bears, dangerous spiders or snakes there ;)Hah! I got ripped off by taxi drivers in Prague. Many years ago now, and it was my first trip to a foreign country as an adult. Didn't have internet to use and didn't look up any map. I remember taking the taxi to the same place a couple times. But then by walking later, realised it was just a short 1km walk, while the taxi driver took a long detour and charged a lot for it. Judging by the time to travel, I had assumed it was at least 10km away. It is a very nice city though :)

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[CeskyOndra]

Right tyre choice will be key here. Changing conditions are expected - rainy, then sunny, then rainy again.. It is going to be really tricky, hopefully we won't lost many cars :D

[Mirek]

... and fallen leaves and needles.

[EstWRC]

really difficult to predict the winner cause we dont know anything.

Ogier and Neuville are always very strong on tarmac, Tänak aced Rally Germany back in the day and has been good at Rally Croatia the last two years. The two title contenders Evans and Rovanperä i think will be more cautious in the beginning, although Evans needs a lot of points to still keep the title hopes alive.

Will be an interesting one, thats sure.

[Mirek]

Rovanperä and Neuville have some considerable local experience even though not directly with these stages.

[CeskyOndra]

Rovanpera started once in Czechia (on Rally Bohemia) back in 2019.. Overall I think that Ogier and Neuville are most experienced on these roads (Both are born in central europe, practicing on tarmac from young ages).. But we have to consider Kalle's starting position. It will be key here..

[Mirek]

Rovanpera started once in Czechia (on Rally Bohemia) back in 2019.. Overall I think that Ogier and Neuville are most experienced on these roads (Both are born in central europe, practicing on tarmac from young ages).. But we have to consider Kalle's starting position. It will be key here..

Kalle did a lot of testing here during his Škoda days.

[CeskyOndra]

Now we are near the stages, raining quite heavily all The afternoon and it seems to be continuing for next few hours.

[EstWRC]

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[EstWRC]

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[TypeR]

This scenery and photos are like oven warm art-pieces..
Seems like an awesome event getting started ;)
Really hope for all different tarmac and weather!

[Duvel]

This scenery and photos are like oven warm art-pieces..
Seems like an awesome event getting started ;)
Really hope for all different tarmac and weather!

Rain, thats what asfalt needs!
And than some dry periods in between..

Nice backgrounds for sure!

[Mirek]

Rain, thats what asfalt needs!
And than some dry periods in between..

Nice backgrounds for sure!

I very much prefer dry weather after rain with some puddles and mud left.

[EstWRC]

Shakedown link https://www.youtube.com/live/jyChtET-MY0?si=xRneCYdMzJNOng8P

[AndyRAC]

The GH Rally channel on You Tube has recced & filmed the stages, they're interesting; I'm looking forward to this event.......

[EstWRC]

Amazing footage again, they showed only 4 cars. lol

[CeskyOndra]

Something happening, idk there are going sanites and policie everywhere on the start

[EstWRC]

⚠️ Shakedown has been interrupted due to the requirement of emergency service vehicles on the stage to attend a non rally-related matter in the local area.


i dont get it why they cant say on broadcast, they just just down

[htr]

Ogier?

[rp]

i dont get it why they cant say on broadcast, they just just down

It´s WRC+/RallyTV! Can not understand how badly they are able to handle these situations.

[CeskyOndra]

Ogier will start in few minutes, has fired the engine

[meh]

Something happening, idk there are going sanites and policie everywhere on the start


Ogier will start in few minutes, has fired the engine

CeskyOndra, thank you for informing us!

[EstWRC]

Where is Loubet?

[meh]

Where is Loubet?

Thinking about life and stuff

[Mirek]

Hearing Neuville complaining about a wrong road set for the test. I wrote after I saw they were testing on Malonty that they selected too bumpy road representing only a small fraction of the total stage length. It would be good test stage for Barum but not for CER.

[Jewy46]

Tanak's comment seemed like a slight dig at M-Sport.

Molly asked "Can you win this event?"
Ott "Ha.....Maybe next year!"

[Mirek]

Tanak's comment seemed like a slight dig at M-Sport.

Molly asked "Can you win this event?"
Ott "Ha.....Maybe next year!"

I really really don't like how he always spits on his own team. A bit of decency wouldn't do any harm.

[CeskyOndra]

CeskyOndra, thank you for informing us!

It is great to be in the action, you know everything pretty quickly! There were like 5 medical cars and 5 police cars and all went somewhere :D They were talking about some serious crash on public road..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak's comment seemed like a slight dig at M-Sport.

Molly asked "Can you win this event?"
Ott "Ha.....Maybe next year!"

Or maybe he meant he could be first on the road here next year which is the best chance for a win...

[doubled1978]

I really really don't like how he always spits on his own team. A bit of decency wouldn't do any harm.

He probably just saw Thierry’s time and thought it was a funny comment, I doubt there was any malice in it. At least I hope not.

[EstWRC]

He probably just saw Thierry’s time and thought it was a funny comment, I doubt there was any malice in it. At least I hope not.

Exactly. People tend to take everything he says too seriously here.

And actually he is often times just brutally honest, he isn’t a filter guy like the others who say everything is good although you can see it isn’t

[TypeR]

and.. after all that I hope him to win this rally :D
3 times Germany and now CER with Puma would be cool!

[hari]

Some pictures from Shakedown and Service: https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_central_european_rallye_2023.html

https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2023/central/1.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2023/central/2.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2023/central/3.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2023/central/4.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2023/central/5.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2023/central/14.jpghttps://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2023/central/8.jpg

[EstWRC]

Shakedown

https://youtu.be/ml7Q9sVG25A?si=ZuymqbQIliSpjWjz

https://youtu.be/z5sl-q3Ye9Y?si=ySh_nfWj0veBvqcQ

https://youtu.be/NLffDiUjdu8?si=eyVOwfFgfma7AXGv

[CeskyOndra]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy1FxmKMDXv/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

This is my video, Fourmaux really on the limit, almost off the road :D

[Rallyper]

Pickems closing time is 1400 hrs CEST.

[TypeR]

SSS, but no spectator areas nowhere in the middle of the stage..

[meh]

What is the logic for Cais opening the road and the next one is Rally1 car and Rovanperä?

edit: seems like some logistical challenge and starting order was changed on the fly

[Tauri_J]

Ss2 should be dry or maybe damp but not much rain expected

But tomorrow is gonna be very very wet

[Hartusvuori]

What is the logic for Cais opening the road and the next one is Rally1 car and Rovanperä?

edit: seems like some logistical challenge and starting order was changed on the fly

Cais is the first car on the road today. It is on the Leg 1 starting order published last night. Giving the local hero the honors to start first on the first ever Czech WRC event.

[TypeR]

Lappi 10s penalty for false start..
why :D

[becher]

Ss2 should be dry or maybe damp but not much rain expected

But tomorrow is gonna be very very wet
I've only got rain in the morning on my forecast. Rain expected during the whole day?

[Tauri_J]

I've only got rain in the morning on my forecast. Rain expected during the whole day?

1st loop

[CeskyOndra]

There might be some rain in few minutes, I'm waiting on the stage, I will tell you road conditions before the start

[CeskyOndra]

It started raining quite a lot now

[CeskyOndra]

Rain is over now, conditions not fully dry but not enought wet for wet tires, Tanak will benefit there

[EstWRC]

Rain is over now, conditions not fully dry but not enought wet for wet tires, Tanak will benefit there

Lappi too

But there is still enough time until the stage starts

[CeskyOndra]

Stage is wet, but no standing water

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9YAHb6WsAAkTAN?format=jpg&name=small

[dimviii]

Sébastien Ogier
@SebOgier
Special gravel crew this week ��


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9TFtVLX0AAxFMQ?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://twitter.com/SebOgier/status/1717276879575507386

[Tauri_J]

Delayed pictures or how its not dark there lol

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Re Any TNT Sports viewers -
SS2 is live on the red button due to all the live Europa League football.

[TypeR]

I would say it's a proper stage..
Nice circuit-smooth-like sections

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Overshoot for Evans.

[er88]

Great start Evans. Not!! 11secs down on Neuville already, in a rally he needs to win

[TypeR]

Tanak gambling w all softs.. and down on split..

[dimviii]

Neuville with softs too

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans overshoot...
https://x.com/autosport/status/1717575215893430619?s=20

[EstWRC]

Difficult to say which is the correct choice is here

Seems it was soft based on Neuville and Tänak

[EstWRC]

Toyotas going 191km/h on back straight
Ford 183

Didn’t see what Hyundai did

[trykmann]

Toyotas going 191km/h on back straight
Ford 183

Didn’t see what Hyundai didA bit over 190km/h

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[Tauri_J]

Tanak gambling w all softs.. and down on split..

Gambling?

[CeskyOndra]

Evans seems to me that he is not really confident here, expecting Neuville-Rovanpera battle tomorrow. It is just my opinion and expectations

[er88]

Evans needs to grow a pair and go for this rally. Otherwise serious questions will be asked whether he has the minerals to ever win a championship. Monza was a killer, but since then he hasn't shown me that ruthless edge all champions need/have

[Mirek]

Yes, you read it correct. Good night

That was hardly a gamble here. The weather was just something in between, the stages were very short and in the end no choice brough any major advantage.

[Indreksi]

Lisence plate drama in CER

The German police found out that 6 cars no longer have lisence plates that are valid. That means their insurance isn’t active

https://ralli.ee/uskumatu-lugu-saksa-politsei-keelas-vahemalt-kuuel-ekipaazil-kesk-euroopa-ralli-jatkamise/

[seb_sh]

I've only now caught up to the happenings... I suppose today doesn't matter so much, but I think tomorrow the actual gaps will be made.

As for Tanak's comments I think they were 100% a dig at MSport. As Tanak comments go I think they were "below average" in sharpness he said way worse stuff about Hyundai for example. I think he didn't have a good experience this year. Remember when he signed? He shook hands and said he went there "to win", but then the only improvement they made to the car was diffs and the car fell apart several times, I think he has the right to be pissed off.

Anyway, to me this seems it could be a "Neuville style" rally and I expected his closest oponent to be Ogier because Evans and Rovanpera would keep something in reserve due to the championship implications, but let's see, there could be surprises!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans seems to me that he is not really confident here, expecting Neuville-Rovanpera battle tomorrow. It is just my opinion and expectations


Evans needs to grow a pair and go for this rally. Otherwise serious questions will be asked whether he has the minerals to ever win a championship. Monza was a killer, but since then he hasn't shown me that ruthless edge all champions need/have

That's never been his style. He always drives to his best safe pace and you rarely hear him say he was pushing or was taking risks.

Whenever he does it becomes just 'over-driving' and invariably leads to mistakes. He looked more aggressive to me on SD and the opening stages and, surprise- surprise, he lost time.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9TtgIrXAAAyAZd?format=jpg&name=large

[seb_sh]

That's never been his style. He always drives to his best safe pace and you rarely hear him say he was pushing or was taking risks.

Whenever he does it becomes just 'over-driving' and invariably leads to mistakes. He looked more aggressive to me on SD and the opening stages and, surprise- surprise, he lost time.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9TtgIrXAAAyAZd?format=jpg&name=large

spot on, I think Evan's strength comes in unusual situations that he makes the best of and in his consistency, his weakness is his absolute pace in comparison to the likes of Ogier or Tanak. Still, the rally could come to him depending on the conditions.

[CeskyOndra]

It is raining all the night here and it isn't stopping

[TypeR]

It is raining all the night here and it isn't stopping

Faster and more accurate (weather) information than wrc+ :D

[becher]

It is raining all the night here and it isn't stopping

I've got rain for the whole day now too.

[CeskyOndra]

I think it will be just in the morning, but otherwise it will be really really wet and I wonder where to go spectating :D

[PLuto]

Lisence plate drama in CER

The German police found out that 6 cars no longer have lisence plates that are valid. That means their insurance isn’t active

https://ralli.ee/uskumatu-lugu-saksa-politsei-keelas-vahemalt-kuuel-ekipaazil-kesk-euroopa-ralli-jatkamise/

It is more complex. There were issues with plates during scrutineering. More than 10 cars didnt passes scrutineering because of same issue. Luckily for them there was long time between scrutineering and start of rally, so they had time to manage it. You can see for example few new french plates which were managed during one day. So all of them were able to start. But some of them didnt have correct valid plates and police plus german customs checked the cars on czech-german border during their return back to Germany.

But this is what I am saying for long time - lot of plates on rally cars are not valid and competitors are lucky that nobody is really checking it on the events. This issue was only time bomb...

[becher]

I think it will be just in the morning, but otherwise it will be really really wet and I wonder where to go spectating :D

Same here, we could be wet and miserable the evening.

[Carbon]

Tyre choices for this morning.

[EstWRC]

This will be very interesting now!

Rain always makes things interesting

[becher]

Tyre choices for this morning.

Can't see it, but I presume all on 5/6 wets?

[EstWRC]

Can't see it, but I presume all on 5/6 wets?

Yep. Title contenders with 6 wets, also Munster and Loubet and Taka. The rest with five

Suspension test for next season by Tänak

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231027/a348849aff4f985990a01a59e47e8008.jpg

[Mirek]

This will be very interesting now!

Rain always makes things interesting

Sadly too much rain usually makes spectating of asphalt events boring. I really don't like rainy asphalt ones. That's also why I decided that it will be more fun on RallyTV than live today.

[mousti]

Yeah Rain between the stages or drizzle are more interesting indeed then full rain on the stages :)

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[TypeR]

https://www.upload.ee/image/15862568/Screenshot_20231027_095903_Dolphin.jpg

[becher]

is it delayed?

[Rallyper]

Good morning rallyfans. Let´s watch what happens today!!

[Tauri_J]

This Will get super dirty for later runners

[Mirek]

There is quite a lot of mud already from the gravel crews. The very last corner must be fun to watch.

[mousti]

There is quite a lot of mud already from the gravel crews. The very last corner must be fun to watch.Yeah Condroz like muddy cut

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[Mirek]

Neuville just said that some anticuts were removed by the spectators.

[EstWRC]

Kalle will walk this with these conditions

[Tauri_J]

Broken suspension for Ogier

[Tauri_J]

Oh thats a puncture

[Rallyper]

Puncture.

Rim was broken and still whining about Pirelli.

[Eli]

Wait, did Ogier just confirm Michelin back for 2025?!?!

[TypeR]

Ogier:
,,I can't wait when Michelin is back''

[EstWRC]

Wtf lappi with such a pace on wet tarmac with Hyundai!

[Tauri_J]

He obviously hit something, rim was pretty badly broken

[Mirek]

Ogier:
,,I can't wait when Michelin is back''

That sounds quite funny when you have a 5 cm deep dent in the rim.

[AMSS]

He obviously hit something, rim was pretty badly broken

Could be that he hit something but if you drive almost the whole stage with a puncture the rim will take some damage even from the smallest of hits as well...

[jonkka]

Wait, did Ogier just confirm Michelin back for 2025?!?!

Yes, Pirelli won't leave tender for the next tyre supplier period, it was announced some time ago.

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/wrc-tyre-supplier-to-change-for-2025-pirelli-elects-not-to-bid/10520901/

[AMSS]

Yes, Pirelli won't leave tender for the next tyre supplier period, it was announced some time ago.

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/wrc-tyre-supplier-to-change-for-2025-pirelli-elects-not-to-bid/10520901/

But no one to my knowledge has confirmed who will be the next supplier, according to media it`s between Hankook and Michelin

[jonkka]

But no one to my knowledge has confirmed who will be the next supplier, according to media it`s between Hankook and Michelin

Yeah, that's true, we don't yet know who it will be.

[Tauri_J]

Munster impressive!

[Mirek]

Rossel off!

[Rallyper]

Rossel off road. Meaning Mikkelsen is champion then?

[Mirek]

They say Greensmith had a moment on the same place as Rossel but managed to continue.

Seems he has a puncture, very slow.

[Jewy46]

Wtf lappi with such a pace on wet tarmac with Hyundai!

Top class from Lappi in such tricky conditions. Would love to see him do well here!

So far this rally reminds me a little of Rally Ireland in 2007/2009 because of the wet and muck. The best drivers go best in these conditions IMO.
Second pass will show a lot I think

[Mirek]

Top class from Lappi. Would love to see him do well here!

Lappi has a lot of experience from Czech roads and he used to be pretty fast on them. Just rarely in the finish...

[Tauri_J]

Formaux right rear puncture too?

E: front right

[EstWRC]

SS3 has been interrupted whilst medical crews carry out precautionary checks on the crew of car #21.

[becher]

So a big one? We heard an ambulance or something.

[rallyfiend]

Yeah, that's true, we don't yet know who it will be.

I can't wait for it to be MRF, and Ogier leaves and a top car opens up for a young, interesting driver to come in....

[mousti]

So a big one? We heard an ambulance or something.They were out of the car already, just some checks to be sure I guess.

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[becher]

They were out of the car already, just some checks to be sure I guess.

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Ah thanks!

[Rallyper]

Rossel´s car went through some weaker trees with the front. So it seemed no sideway hit.

[Rallyper]

But as I said before as comments of some certain rallies - I don´t like these trees right beside the side of the stage. Especially under these circumstances: tarmac, wet, soily and leaves on the surface. Suddenly you have the car sideways and heading against a big tree...

[Walach]

This section at the beginning of SS4 is very, very nice.

[Tauri_J]

Watching Rovanpera is scary, he’s pushing a lot

[EstWRC]

Watching Rovanpera is scary, he’s pushing a lot

And it shows, Evans 5 seconds down

[jonkka]

Watching Rovanpera is scary, he’s pushing a lot

It's his golden opportunity, first on the road on wet tarmac is a definite advantage as opposed to his usual disadvantage being first on the road on gravel.

[Mirek]

Neuville overshot a hairpin.

[Walach]

Apparently, Rossel broke his arm during the accident

[Rallyper]

Apparently, Rossel broke his arm during the accident

Oh dear, that was unexpected.

[Tauri_J]

Apparently, Rossel broke his arm during the accident

He or codriver was in pain after crash, you could hear it

[Mirek]

Photo of Rossel's car from ewrc:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/80244_395880767_1105214500885696_26457295872140662 33_n.jpg

[EstWRC]

Damn now I wish it would have been dry. lol

Not so interesting so far with unequal conditions

[TypeR]

Well.. Lappi drives well from back behind

[Bartek]

Tanak behavior and his comments are so unprofessional

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Amazing from Lappi when he ususlly hates these conditions.

[jonkka]

Amazing from Lappi when he ususlly hates these conditions.

Especially in the light of Neuville's comments about the set-up problems he has with the same car.

[Tauri_J]

Well.. Lappi drives well from back behind

Seriously impressive. But you have to hold your breath for him to keep it on black stuff.

[EstWRC]

Seriously impressive. But you have to hold your breath for him to keep it on black stuff.

This

I’m so afraid

[Mirek]

Puncture for Gryazin and Wagner on SS3.

[EstWRC]

Tanak behavior and his comments are so unprofessional

You writing this here doesn’t make it better.

Go tell him then

[Tauri_J]

Tanak behavior and his comments are so unprofessional

Well they are honest. Or you want the usual end of stage interview with phrases like “No feeling”, “it is what it is” ?

[rp]

Amazing from Lappi when he ususlly hates these conditions.

Definitely the biggest surprise so far!

It´s not a surprise that Kalle is the best in these conditions.

[TypeR]

Tanak behavior and his comments are so unprofessional
Ogier isn't better :D
One lost stage and ,,I have no motiovation''..
Funny


Maybe more drivers should do what Kalle does.. drifting.

[Kras]

Tanak behavior and his comments are so unprofessional

Well, they shouldn't have made such a shit car

[denkimi]

Maybe ogier should give up his place to younger drivers then. Plenty of people who would do anything to get in the car he's driving, and he just gives up after losing 40 seconds on the first stage.
Pathetic.

[Mirek]

Mikkelsen stopped!

[denkimi]

Well, they shouldn't have made such a shit car
Just a month ago it was a winning car.

[Tauri_J]

Mikkelsen stopped

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen off the road !

[Rallyper]

Mikkelsen stopped

Off the road...

[Kras]

Just a month ago it was a winning car.

Yes, in certain conditions, with a certain start position and certain problems for other drivers, a top driver can drive that car to victory. Provided that the car doesnt spontaneously fall apart at some point, which is a 50-50 chance

[trykmann]

Just a month ago it was a winning car.Thanks to a good tyre choice...

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[Rallyper]

Mikkelsen on the move again.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Off the road...

Back on by fan power !

[Mirek]

Mikkelsen is back on the road but the car looks very second hand :)

EDIT LR uspension is broken.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good chance for Greensmith with Rossell and Mikkelsen's offs.

[Bartek]

You writing this here doesn’t make it better.

Go tell him then

Why? Because he is Estonian I cannot express my opinion? I would really like to tell him that plenty of people in the M-Sport factory work their hands up to their elbows (for him) and they did so too when Tanak counted his first experience with M-Sport, so he could show them some respect... nothing more and nothing less.

He can express his opinion on the car to Millener and Wilson.

[Mirek]

Engine troubles for Greensmith.

[EstWRC]

Why? Because he is Estonian I cannot express my opinion? I would really like to tell him that plenty of people in the M-Sport factory work their hands up to their elbows (for him) and they did so too when Tanak counted his first experience with M-Sport, so he could show them some respect... nothing more and nothing less.

He can express his opinion on the car to Millener and Wilson.

You can, I’m just saying it doesn’t change anything and it’s just how he is

[JAM]

So Ott Tanak is in bad mood and the world is responsible for that, not him.
Ogier saw his luck end and this made him lost motivation...

Funny times where the best drivers make such things :D

[jcevc]

big delay for start of SS5...

EDIT: don`t thrust everyone :D

[Doon]

I can’t watch most of the rally because it’s being shown on TNT Sport One Thousand Five Hundred and Sixty Nine, and Virgin Go only supports four TNT sport channels. There must be four more important live events at this time of morning lol.

Anyway, reading stage end comments from ewrc makes me question if many of the drivers actually like rallying. All moaning about something. 10 top cars, all the drivers moaning or unmotivated. One car dominating the rally. Don’t think there’s much in following WRC anymore, it’s a shambles, dying a slow death.

[seb_sh]

Wow such drama in WRC2 for the title contenders, I was hoping to have some fight but it seems it will be more about survival.

About the grumpy drivers it's nothing new, these guys are only happy if they are winning. I don't say he should do this but I can understand Tanak, remember when he shook hands and said to Malcolm and Rich he is going there "to win", the season is almost over and they apparently only updated the diffs and the car fell apart a lot, you would be grumpy too. As for Ogier, again nothing new remember when he complained about road position? But I think it's a bit unfair to Pirelli, he clearly had a big chunk of rim missing...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I can’t watch most of the rally because it’s being shown on TNT Sport One Thousand Five Hundred and Sixty Nine, and Virgin Go only supports four TNT sport channels. There must be four more important live events at this time of morning lol.
.

It's on the normal TNT Sports 1 live on Sky.

[Mirek]

Kalle slightly overshot a hairpin.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Re Tänak quote
"I'm trying but we are out of options. There's no tools to put the wet setup on this car, so undrivable for me. It's not forgiving at all, it will be a long day."

It sounds to me like more a complaint about no midday service

[Doon]

Ah, just started. It was in TNT sport 8 last night 😂 didn’t even know it went that high

[meh]

Anyway, reading stage end comments from ewrc makes me question if many of the drivers actually like rallying. All moaning about something. 10 top cars, all the drivers moaning or unmotivated. One car dominating the rally. Don’t think there’s much in following WRC anymore, it’s a shambles, dying a slow death.

I think it does not make sense to read them out of context. They are just coming with high adrenaline and they are desperately angry for every tiny timeloss they had.

[Doon]

He’s still moaning though.

[Doon]

Ok, but since we lost Craig Breen, has any driver said something along the lines of, “this is so much fun, I love this rally”

[becher]

Well they are honest. Or you want the usual end of stage interview with phrases like “No feeling”, “it is what it is” ?

Aj one can be honest and still not have a dig at his employer every five minutes.

[Mirek]

Ok, but since we lost Craig Breen, has any driver said something along the lines of, “this is so much fun, I love this rally”

Mathieu Franceschi in ERC. He's like super positive no matter what happens.

EDIT: I think that Kalle rarely moans about anything.

[Humber]

Hope the crew that had the accident are OK. Had a few stages this week on the NZ tarmac Targa that have been cancelled for safety reasons because of rain. (nuts fast too, one stage 157km/h ave, even with a 200km/h top speed restriction, another today 45.6km run in close to 20 minutes flat). Perhaps get the WRC crews down for the NZ Targa next year?

[Mirek]

The last few km of this stage are awesome for me.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ahhh Lappi stopped

[jonkka]

Lappi off, as some expected.

[Doon]

I was talking about the WRC1 drivers. Plenty of happy people lower down the field.

Rovenpera doesn’t moan because he’s dominant

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville stuck with hard springs chosen at SD. Maybe Tanak is similar.

[Mirek]

Rovenpera doesn’t moan because he’s dominant

Not true. In Chile for example he drove half of the stage in a thick dust loosing tons of time but in the finish he was just joking about that.

[Mirek]

Lappi off, as some expected.

It was barely visible but the LR wheel looked in wrong position.

[meh]

About Tänak moaning. Some, mostly see it is moaning and some just to be honest. This can be just cultural thing, Estonians are just #nofilter people often and say things straight forward out like those are. For some it's good, for some it's bad.

[Doon]

Yeh, because he’s not actually under any pressure to deliver. Other drivers get close, but drop the ball

[Rallyper]

Why can´t Lappi just take it a bit easier? Hasn´t he learnt anything in the past years?
The tactical sides need to be improved

[EstWRC]

Lappi just never learns

Horrible second half of the season

[Jewy46]

Huge pity for Lappi.
And here was me thinking just beforehand he was showing he should be chosen as a full time driver again for Hyundai next year.
Now all of a sudden things look so different.

The fine margins of rallying at the top level.

[Mirek]

Yeh, because he’s not actually under any pressure to deliver. Other drivers get close, but drop the ball

OK, than another attempt - Taka Katsuta :D

[Tauri_J]

Seriously impressive. But you have to hold your breath for him to keep it on black stuff.

Didnt took long.

[janneppi]

Oh Esa and Pekka...

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[Mirek]

Lappi's car. A lot of damage to the back end.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/quickp/80244_387319769_299437036315055_158542712457997102 5_n.jpg

[er88]

Shame for Lappi. Horrible end to the season, but overall I wouldn't hammer him too much if Hyundai intend to keep him. His pace and performance has generally been very good, and he's clearly helped improve the car. I dont see a better 3rd driver for hyundai next year than EP? He just needs to knock a percentage or two off his pace sometimes, and he would still be competitive

[denkimi]

Stage times are basically just reversed road positions at this point.

[EstWRC]

Stage times are basically just reversed road positions at this point.

lol well said

[er88]

Don't want to wish bad luck on anyone, but unless some bad luck finds kalle, this rally (and championship) is deader than a dead thing in deadland.

[Rallyper]

I think Pajari should be the finnish guy to lay your money on in the future.

Calm, polite, supposely tactical in his driving, and of course fast...

[seb_sh]

I think Pajari should be the finnish guy to lay your money on in the future.

Calm, polite, supposely tactical in his driving, and of course fast...

I was thinking the same, whoever wants a serious young driver program needs to get him signed. I remember reading that he's rumored to be with Toyota in WRC2 for next year. I also like that Enni seems to enjoy the stages :)

[EstWRC]

Shame for Lappi. Horrible end to the season, but overall I wouldn't hammer him too much if Hyundai intend to keep him. His pace and performance has generally been very good, and he's clearly helped improve the car. I dont see a better 3rd driver for hyundai next year than EP? He just needs to knock a percentage or two off his pace sometimes, and he would still be competitive

I agree fully. He generally has surprised and definitely deserves the third seat next year

[er88]

I think Pajari should be the finnish guy to lay your money on in the future.

Calm, polite, supposely tactical in his driving, and of course fast...

Isn't he Toyota bound?

[becher]

Another accident?

[Mirek]

Another accident?

Isn't there just a delay because of the ambulance on SS3?

[sete]

Lappis crash
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8Nhk2IlZvts

[becher]

Isn't there just a delay because of the ambulance on SS3?
No idea, some sort of officials car went through honking.