Rally Sweden 2023

[SubaruNorway]

Anyone got this, I can't buy it
https://www.vk.se/2022-10-11/ansokan-inskickad-har-ar-vinterns-rallystrackor

[AnttiL]

Anyone got this, I can't buy it
https://www.vk.se/2022-10-11/ansokan-inskickad-har-ar-vinterns-rallystrackor

Same here, I could have paid 12 SEK to read about the new stages, but apparently they allow only Swedish people to register. Rallyper? :)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/EnthusiastsofRallySweden/posts/8012839852123834/

According to this post comments, there are three new stages while four of last year's stages are gone. Also a new shakedown.

[Rallyper]

Alright. I´ll give it a try. During Sunday. Coming back this afternoon.

[Rallyper]

I write down all there is of information. There were no maps. But guess for Antti, it´s not needed ;)

same as 2022: Kamsjön, Sävar, Umeå Sprint, Brattby and sarsjöliden.
Not in 2023: Vindeln, Kroksjö, Långed and Örträsk.
New stages: Botsmark (Start Botsmark - Åkullsjön)
Västervik (Bullmark - Sjulsmark)
Norrby (Överrödå - Mickelsträsk)
SD: Håkmark north of Umeå (new)
18 SS total of 303K
Nolia-area will be SP (Same)

[AnttiL]

Bummer. I thought one of those links had maps as well...I tried to find information about those stages being used before (google, youtube) but didn't find anything.

But tack anyway! :)

[Rallyper]

Bummer. I thought one of those links had maps as well...I tried to find information about those stages being used before (google, youtube) but didn't find anything.

But tack anyway! :)

I´m sure you can find out stages anyway. Here´s a link to swedish version of "karttapaikka"
https://minkarta.lantmateriet.se/

[AnttiL]

I´m sure you can find out stages anyway. Here´s a link to swedish version of "karttapaikka"
https://minkarta.lantmateriet.se/

Thanks, this was very useful! They have some really new forestry roads which are not yet visible on any satellite images or OpenStreetMap!

[AnttiL]

https://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/wrc-rallye-suede-2023/

List of stages here. Umeå sprint already on Thursday, also at the end of Friday, then long Umeå at the end of Saturday and as a power stage. Three stages over 25 km.

[BleAivano]

map https://rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/rallyguide1_appendix2_rallysweden23.pdf

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhBimoPWQAIy_o0?format=jpg&name=medium

I couldn't find any old usage of the new stages. Any local knowledge?

[Rallyper]

@AnttiL try to PM BleAivano. Maybe he should know. There were lots of Rally SM in Umeå back in the days...

[AnttiL]

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Sweden-2023

[AnttiL]

SS9/12 Norrby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it0nPruXPqQ

[Rallyper]

SS9/12 Norrby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it0nPruXPqQ

Wow! First 3 min section might be the highlite of the whole rally!

[AnttiL]

Yeah, like 4-5 proper crash corners and some crests in the beginning but other than that it's just long straights, flat corners and 90° junctions. Very typical Umeå stage :(

EDIT: Video was updated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuknytPAu2o

[BleAivano]

*nevermind.

[BleAivano]

@AnttiL try to PM BleAivano. Maybe he should know. There were lots of Rally SM in Umeå back in the days...

Thanks for the confidence, but I have no idea actually.

[AnttiL]

Shakedown video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLGPCaB31I0

[Rallyper]

Shakedown video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLGPCaB31I0

Imagine SD with one meter snowbanks...

Will take whole day digging rallycars...

Good stage.

[AnttiL]

EDIT: SS16/17, the Sunday stage driven twice before power stage. Stage starts 1:16 into the video and at 17:25 the driver takes a wrong turn, should have gone left.

https://youtu.be/Ot8yuYOWyRE

[AnttiL]

https://youtu.be/Ot8yuYOWyRE


Another hyper fast boring stage :(

[pantealex]

Another hyper fast boring stage :(

Boring only for TV spectators ...

Probably good when watching it LIVE on stage.

[AnttiL]

Boring only for TV spectators ...

Probably good when watching it LIVE on stage.

I always think first and foremost about the drivers perspective.

Surely you can enjoy this stage if you like straights and/or junctions.

[AnttiL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3Bihyy60PA&ab_channel=J%C3%B6rgenHansson

and here is the last new stage, another very fast one.

[Sulland]

When is the entrylist for this one expected?

[AnttiL]

When is the entrylist for this one expected?

After Monte

[PLuto]

When is the entrylist for this one expected?

There are still not published regulations for next season. Entry form to Monte is currently not opened. And you are asking for entry list to Sweden? Too optimistic :)

[tc10a]

When is the entrylist for this one expected?

Closing date for entries: Monday, January 09th 2023
Publication of entry list: Friday, January 13th 2023

https://rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/rallyguide1_rallysweden23.pdf

[Hartusvuori]

Kamsjö stage have been replaced with a new stage Floda. The new stage is about a half a kilometer longer. It will run in the same slot in the itinerary.

[AnttiL]

Kamsjö stage have been replaced with a new stage Floda. The new stage is about a half a kilometer longer. It will run in the same slot in the itinerary.

https://youtu.be/hqrW6Y2bbFE

First corner at yellow house or one after a long straight at 4:10...

[Rallyper]

https://youtu.be/hqrW6Y2bbFE

First corner at yellow house or one after a long straight at 4:10...

Yellow house... at Inneråträsk. Only 1,35 K to walk from big road.

[jparerax7]

Hey everyone! I'm already starting to organize my assistance to Rally Sweden 2023. I'm not a complete noob in rallying, as I've attended to Catalunya 2021 and 2022 and Finland 2022, but the swedish WRC rally seems different to the rest. I have some questions, I hope someone can help me and help others having the same doubts.
Is it very cold? I've seen the historical weather for February and temperatures don't seem to go under -15ºC, but is it windy?
Do they allow you to spectate the rally from any spot near the road or you have to be in the official areas for spectating? Are there a lot of marshals? I've seen from onboards from 2022 that they are mostly in junctions. In Finland 2022 there were too much, they didn't even let you spectate decently.
Are the non-principal access roads decently conditioned to go with our rental 4x4 car?
Do you have any tip/trick for spectating night stages? Is it better to see them coming or leaving? I say it because of the lights from the cars might be annoying.
Thanks for your help!

[Rallyper]

Hey everyone! I'm already starting to organize my assistance to Rally Sweden 2023. I'm not a complete noob in rallying, as I've attended to Catalunya 2021 and 2022 and Finland 2022, but the swedish WRC rally seems different to the rest. I have some questions, I hope someone can help me and help others having the same doubts.
Is it very cold? I've seen the historical weather for February and temperatures don't seem to go under -15ºC, but is it windy?
Do they allow you to spectate the rally from any spot near the road or you have to be in the official areas for spectating? Are there a lot of marshals? I've seen from onboards from 2022 that they are mostly in junctions. In Finland 2022 there were too much, they didn't even let you spectate decently.
Are the non-principal access roads decently conditioned to go with our rental 4x4 car?
Do you have any tip/trick for spectating night stages? Is it better to see them coming or leaving? I say it because of the lights from the cars might be annoying.
Thanks for your help!

One could answer yes or no to almost every question you ask. ;)

[BleAivano]

Hey everyone! I'm already starting to organize my assistance to Rally Sweden 2023. I'm not a complete noob in rallying, as I've attended to Catalunya 2021 and 2022 and Finland 2022, but the swedish WRC rally seems different to the rest. I have some questions, I hope someone can help me and help others having the same doubts.
Is it very cold? I've seen the historical weather for February and temperatures don't seem to go under -15ºC, but is it windy?
Do they allow you to spectate the rally from any spot near the road or you have to be in the official areas for spectating? Are there a lot of marshals? I've seen from onboards from 2022 that they are mostly in junctions. In Finland 2022 there were too much, they didn't even let you spectate decently.
Are the non-principal access roads decently conditioned to go with our rental 4x4 car?
Do you have any tip/trick for spectating night stages? Is it better to see them coming or leaving? I say it because of the lights from the cars might be annoying.
Thanks for your help!

Weather wise the coldest ever temperature measured in Umeå in February is -38.5 (in 1978) :disturb: If you travel to Vindeln-Sunnansjönäs which is about 60 km north west from Umeå, coldest measured (in 1978) is -45.3.
However, last year noted the highest temperature ever measured with +9. https://www.smhi.se/pd/klimat/pdf_stats/month/SMHI_vov_temperature_wind_feb22.pdf
It can be really cold, but it could also be quite warm. Other news is that the service park area will be free of charge to visit.

Current snow depth is about 30 cm in central Umeå but above 40 cm in the inland west and north west of Umeå. https://www.smhi.se/vader/observationer/observationer#ws=wpt-a,proxy=wpt-a,tab=vader,param=s

[Hartusvuori]

Hey everyone! I'm already starting to organize my assistance to Rally Sweden 2023. I'm not a complete noob in rallying, as I've attended to Catalunya 2021 and 2022 and Finland 2022, but the swedish WRC rally seems different to the rest. I have some questions, I hope someone can help me and help others having the same doubts.
Is it very cold? I've seen the historical weather for February and temperatures don't seem to go under -15ºC, but is it windy?
Do they allow you to spectate the rally from any spot near the road or you have to be in the official areas for spectating? Are there a lot of marshals? I've seen from onboards from 2022 that they are mostly in junctions. In Finland 2022 there were too much, they didn't even let you spectate decently.
Are the non-principal access roads decently conditioned to go with our rental 4x4 car?
Do you have any tip/trick for spectating night stages? Is it better to see them coming or leaving? I say it because of the lights from the cars might be annoying.
Thanks for your help!

The weather can be predicted only closer to the rally (!), but in general it's better to prepare warm layers of clothing. Even if it'd be only like -3 celcius that's normally nothing, if you stand still in the forest for hours, you start to get cold.

Last year the experience with the marshals was more negative than positive. They appeared to be quite strict on which is allowed place to spectate and which is not, even if the safety matters were concerned. Maybe it was just because it was first WRC event in the region and many first timers in marshals. But if you act nicely to them, they will reply nicely. Almost every time :-)

Some of the access roads on the map must be unaccessable if not cleared from the snow all winter. So I would either plan the spectating points near official parking or do own recce on the available access roads.

There are not that many jumps or even hills in Rally Sweden route now, but personally I like night stages in the winter with cars approaching uphill so the headlights point towards the tree tops before the car appears. It can make nice photos if it's snowing or someone's having a fire with smoke around.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fl90lH6WQAY3WpY?format=jpg&name=medium

[Fast Eddie WRC]

At least its another Rally1 car to watch...

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Finally, a GR Yaris without factory livery..

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[TypeR]

Well, it wasn't GR Yaris but still Yaris..

Latvala, Grönholm(okay, it was quite same) and Lappi have had different liveries..

[AnttiL]

I'm kinda bummed. Why wouldn't he take his money to M-Sport who needs it more than Toyota?

Also, it will be another less onboard camera for WRC2 crews but it's the same with Serderidis etc.

[macebig]

Very clearly M-Sport is cutting down on the number of Pumas they enter in each event. Looks like 3 is the top limit atm. They probably have their reasons for that.

[manthey]

I'm kinda bummed. Why wouldn't he take his money to M-Sport who needs it more than Toyota?

Also, it will be another less onboard camera for WRC2 crews but it's the same with Serderidis etc.he can try the champion car and money is not an issue

Maybe also more media exposure and PR for Japan

Bravo Lorenzo

[bandit12]

I'm kinda bummed. Why wouldn't he take his money to M-Sport who needs it more than Toyota?

Also, it will be another less onboard camera for WRC2 crews but it's the same with Serderidis etc.
Bertelli riding a Yaris is like me - buyng a top end gaming laptop for playing only minecraft with it...

[AnttiL]

Maybe also more media exposure and PR for Japan

Well basically positive PR for Toyota in the sense that someone chose Toyota over Ford, but also they will show a very slow Toyota on TV.


Bertelli riding a Yaris is like me - buyng a top end gaming laptop for playing only minecraft with it...

And not just one but two laptops.

[RS]

Also, it will be another less onboard camera for WRC2 crews but it's the same with Serderidis etc.

That is annoying, especially when they end up being slower than some WRC2 crews. Is there any reason why the promoter has to do that though? If they’re outside a factory team I don’t see why they should give them priority on the tv.

[AnttiL]

That is annoying, especially when they end up being slower than some WRC2 crews. Is there any reason why the promoter has to do that though? If they’re outside a factory team I don’t see why they should give them priority on the tv.

Imagine some youngster doing a show-off with a rented Rally1, they wouldn't have a camera?

[J4MIE]

I hope he enjoys doing the rally. Nothing else matters, you miserable lot :p

[Myrvold]

I hope he enjoys doing the rally. Nothing else matters, you miserable lot :p

Agreed. It's not like he is stealing a spot.

[DocMS]

Any news on spectator access this year? Last year, even when we arrived 2.5hrs before we sometimes had alot of difficulties on marshals allowing you to walk beyond the spectator points.

I really hope they have these issues resolved this year

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[J4MIE]

Any news on spectator access this year? Last year, even when we arrived 2.5hrs before we sometimes had alot of difficulties on marshals allowing you to walk beyond the spectator points.

I really hope they have these issues resolved this year

Why should you be allowed beyond the designated spectator areas?

[SubaruNorway]

Any news on spectator access this year? Last year, even when we arrived 2.5hrs before we sometimes had alot of difficulties on marshals allowing you to walk beyond the spectator points.

I really hope they have these issues resolved this year

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I'm not sure if it was something new last year, Finland also felt a bit more strict for no reason in places. A lot of the marshals seemed very inexperienced so hopefully it will be a bit better this year.
Some of the spectator places was really bad also, this year will be by far the most expensive WRC event I've gone to, so I'm not standing 20m from the road in some slow corner...

[DocMS]

Below is the comment I got back from the spectator officer for Rally Sweden via email

"Hi !!


Yes you are right, if we just look at our rules from *the rally. It’s OK to walk at stages 30 min before first rally car.*

But we have the land owners that sometimes have young trees under the snow. *

We have a agreement that we make sure that rally fans not will hurt the young trees.*


The safety rules are that you as a rally fan have to be behind a tape on a spectator area.*"



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[Managarium]

Entry list

https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc/entry-list-rally-sweden/

[J4MIE]

Is Rally Guide 2 available yet? Was meant to be published on the 12th but maybe I’m just missing it.

[Myrvold]

More Japanese drivers that Swedes.
More Spanish drivers than Norwegian and Swedes combined.

[Jarek Z]

More Japanese drivers that Swedes.
More Spanish drivers than Norwegian and Swedes combined.

Yeah, it caught my attention too. Only 2 Swedish drivers?! This sport is sick!

[AndersX]

Yeah, it caught my attention too. Only 2 Swedish drivers?! This sport is sick!

Nothing strange: at this moment, investing in very niche sport as rallying is the latests in the minds of swe companies, thus - no proper pool of sponsorship and support for the Fast and Furious Swedes. Big brands go for winter-sports, football, horseback riding and similar. Too many alternatives and lobbies. At the same time, low cost motorsport disciplines have high-numbers in participants.

[TypeR]

Impressive startinglist.. at least 4-5 drivers going for the win!

[Jarek Z]

Big brands go for winter-sports, football, horseback riding and similar.

Is horseback riding popular in Sweden?

[AndersX]

Is horseback riding popular in Sweden?

Yes, very; though listing it above was more like a sarcasm. One good example - how JWRC champion Kristensson had to seek for any budget just to cover extra costs in the year of prize-drive. Where is Kristensson today, just 2 years after becoming JWRC champion? He is not even on Rally Sweden entrylist.

[jparerax7]

Do you know at what time they close the roads for traffic before the stage begins? Now I can't remember if they use to do it 24 hours before the start or at 00:00 am the same day.

[KasperiK]

the roads close at 16:00 the day before. This was answer last year so I think this year will be the same.

[DocMS]

We arrive on Tuesday so are roads open to public to drive on Tuesday /Wednesday?

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[KasperiK]

We arrive on Tuesday so are roads open to public to drive on Tuesday /Wednesday?

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As I said earlier the roads close at 16:00 the day before. So if Shakedown start Thursday, they close the stage Wednwsday at 16h00 etc.

[AnttiL]

https://itgetsfasternow.com/2023/01/27/route-preview-rally-sweden-2023/

Route preview. 62% new on the route, and all the stages/corners with crashes/moments last year have been removed, coincidence or not! Some sections on the new stages are stupidly boring straight and fast.

[SubaruNorway]

Do you know at what time they close the roads for traffic before the stage begins? Now I can't remember if they use to do it 24 hours before the start or at 00:00 am the same day.

It has been 16.00 before also. So i always start with shakedown. Don't do Brattby backwards, tried in the middle of the stage just to check something quickly last year, had to back up 700m for Lasse Lampi (Mäkinen's test driver), he was not happy! Recce plan is also nice to have a look at to try and avoid the recce traffic.

[er88]

https://itgetsfasternow.com/2023/01/27/route-preview-rally-sweden-2023/

Route preview. 62% new on the route, and all the stages/corners with crashes/moments last year have been removed, coincidence or not! Some sections on the new stages are stupidly boring straight and fast.Sounds pretty bland. And last year already had too many boring long straights, or flat out wide sections.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fnj2incWIAI40_B?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fnj2inYX0AA8a7Q?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fnj2inaXEAUuccx?format=jpg&name=medium

[mknight]

I struggle to find anything positive with Bertelli at Toyota.
Even Serderidis at MSport has a positive with supporting MSport so they have money for development.
Bertelli at the richest and now most dominant team is just wrong. Maybe for people at the stages it is good with extra Rally1.

[TypeR]

It's not anyone's problem(except you) that Mikkelsen doesn't have the money/doesn't want to pay for driving the top class car.

[mknight]

You need to see a doctor.

I just wrote that Serderidis at MSport is better than Bertelli at Toyota. How that involves Mikkelsen is a mystery to me.

[ictus]

"there's too little rally1 cars on the stages"
"Bertelli an Toyora is wrong"
"wathing Serderidis drive th puma hurts my eyes"
you people are sick

[mknight]

"there's too little rally1 cars on the stages"
"Bertelli an Toyora is wrong"
"wathing Serderidis drive th puma hurts my eyes"
you people are sick

I don't remember a single person claiming these 3 things at the same time.

That people have opinions is normal on a discussion forum. Bundling opposite opinions in one post is....

[er88]

I struggle to find anything positive with Bertelli at Toyota.
Even Serderidis at MSport has a positive with supporting MSport so they have money for development.
Bertelli at the richest and now most dominant team is just wrong. Maybe for people at the stages it is good with extra Rally1.It's one more rally1 car on the stages which is better than nothing.

If you had the money like Bertelli, why would you pay Msport for a puma when you can rent a potentially better (and much more reliable) car?! Reliability is massive for a privateer pay driver, and Msport/the puma keeps showing that it can barely get through a rally without annoying gremlins

[AnttiL]

For me, these gentleman drivers in Rally1 cars are not a positive thing. I mean, nothing wrong with realizing their dreams or just having a nice hobby, but the problem is they are shown on TV (instead of a WRC2 driver actually going for the class win) and it makes the sport appear ridiculous. Also, I'm sad for Bertelli taking his money to Toyota instead of M-Sport where it would be needed. I know that some people just want to see more top class cars, no matter how they are driven, but I cannot agree with that thinking. But we all have our opinions.

[rp]

It´s definitely a bad thing! Gentleman drivers should be after WRC2/WRC3 drivers, because they are not scoring Manufacturers points and in general slower than top WRC2 drivers. If they want to drive and use their money they can do it, but not show them in AllLive.

[mknight]

Precisely.

For a fan on that one single next rally it is good with extra Rally1. Personally when spectating I rather see two more lower class cars being driven on the limit, but here I agree opinions might differ.


In even slightly longer view they are purely negative. Just as AnttiL listed:

1. They take screen time and reduce the broadcasting value of the sport. 2nd and 3rd day they usually start first so you have significant part of the "show", that you pay for, showing rather poor driving.
2. More screentime for them, means less screentime for WRC2, which means you often miss the WRC2 competition and it also reduces the sponsor base for WRC2.

These two points can be fixed by simply moving them further down the fied, behind top seeded WRC2s.

3. (minor point), They take cars that someone competetive (at least Greensmith) could drive. This point is the smallest issue.


Note that when 2017 WRCs came there was some talk that only "certified" drivers should drive them cause they would be much faster and dangerous. I think it took only a few rallies before they stopped it. For comparison Loeb was denied F1 start even after posting good laptimes in training cause the did not have enough KMs in the car.

------------------------------
The point about Bertelli using money at Toyota should be obvious to everyone.

More money and data from running more cars to the best team => best team gets even better => boring competition and/or Hyundai/Ford(not MSport) leave.

[mknight]

If you had the money like Bertelli, why would you pay Msport for a puma when you can rent a potentially better (and much more reliable) car?! Reliability is massive for a privateer pay driver, and Msport/the puma keeps showing that it can barely get through a rally without annoying gremlins

No doubt for Bertelli himself it is the best and most logical choice.
But Bertelli enjoying himself is not of much interest for me.

[seb_sh]

If there were 20 Rally1 it would maybe be less noticeable. But a really bad "gentleman driver" does make the sport look bad. Especially when you start the broadcast with him. The clown commentators going on about how cool it is that you can do this in rally and no other sport. That kind of goes against WRC being top drivers and so on. I also agree with the points above about less airtime for WRC2.

But i think this is less a problem that needs to be tackled directly and more a symptom of the bad health of the WRC.

[J4MIE]

Surely all the snide comments need to be aimed at those who make the rules and decide on the coverage, rather than Bertelli…

[becher]

Wasn't Bertelli a half decent driver (or somewhat competitive gentleman driver) in WRC2 like 10 years ago?

[AnttiL]

Wasn't Bertelli a half decent driver (or somewhat competitive gentleman driver) in WRC2 like 10 years ago?

The level of WRC2 was something else back then. But Bertelli is one of the fastest of the gentleman drivers, while Serderidis is the slowest.

[bwallace]

The level of WRC2 was something else back then. But Bertelli is one of the fastest of the gentleman drivers, while Serderidis is the slowest.

Serderis is too old to push limits he can get heart attack :D

[er88]

Msport have to look at themselves as to why Bertelli has gone elsewhere.

As others have said, I don't begrudge Bertelli or other gentlemen drivers at all. They've earned their money in life or have rich families, so spend it how you want. And I'd rent a yaris over a puma, even if cost a little bit more.

However I do agree they shouldn't be running ahead of the top WRC2 drivers or "stealing* their potential TV airtime. Surely something the FIA/organisers can look at.....

[fiscorpun]

What r u guys saying? That having Privateers entering Rally1 is "bad"??? Jesus christ...

[skarderud]

What r u guys saying? That having Privateers entering Rally1 is "bad"??? Jesus christ...No, slow, bad drivers isbad, not fast, good drivers...

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[NOT]

What r u guys saying? That having Privateers entering Rally1 is "bad"??? Jesus christ...

yes thats what we are saying... because there are standards in this world... unless you are a drooling autist that belongs in a cage and enjoys seeing a rally1 car going at road speed just because its a rally1 car....

[AndersX]

Just a thought - what if there was a FiA rule that every gent-driver going for R1 ride need to finance and enter at least 1 WRC 2 or WRC 3 driver for as many rallies. Lets call it as a luxury tax for allowing driving among the elite athlets in World Championship? I think in the endurance racing we often can see gent-drivers teaming up with pro-drivers - one gets fun, others - the seat time.

[Essaj]

Just a thought - what if there was a FiA rule that every gent-driver going for R1 ride need to finance and enter at least 1 WRC 2 or WRC 3 driver for as many rallies. Lets call it as a luxury tax for allowing driving among the elite athlets in World Championship? I think in the endurance racing we often can see gent-drivers teaming up with pro-drivers - one gets fun, others - the seat time.

Fking hell. Just be happy that somebody is actually renting and bringing more of these cars around and also there are rumours that Serderidis will give his car to a youngster for some events later on.

[Tauri_J]

https://i.postimg.cc/3xcqDzx1/IMG-20230129-074752.jpg (https://postimg.cc/bZ1g7CbS)

Still early but could be very difficult rally.

[fiscorpun]

yes thats what we are saying... because there are standards in this world... unless you are a drooling autist that belongs in a cage and enjoys seeing a rally1 car going at road speed just because its a rally1 car....

.......STANDARDS....
Maybe WRC needs a new fan base, not new manufacturers.....

[AnttiL]

https://i.postimg.cc/3xcqDzx1/IMG-20230129-074752.jpg (https://postimg.cc/bZ1g7CbS)[/url]

Still early but could be very difficult rally.

That's for Tuesday 7th Feb? Seems weird to me, other forecasts aren't showing that kind of temps

https://www.foreca.fi/Sweden/Umea/15vrk (https://postimages.org/)
[url]https://www.foreca.fi/Sweden/Vannas/15vrk (<-- closer to forest stages)

https://www.yr.no/nb/v%C3%A6rvarsel/daglig-tabell/2-602150/Sverige/V%C3%A4sterbotten/Ume%C3%A5%20Kommun/Ume%C3%A5
https://www.yr.no/nb/v%C3%A6rvarsel/daglig-tabell/2-2665093/Sverige/V%C3%A4sterbotten/V%C3%A4nn%C3%A4s%20Kommun/V%C3%A4nn%C3%A4s

https://www.accuweather.com/sv/se/ume%C3%A5/315816/february-weather/315816?year=2023
https://www.accuweather.com/sv/se/v%C3%A4nn%C3%A4s/310783/february-weather/310783?year=2023

To me it looks like a good alternation of plus degrees and freezing to get a good ice base.

[AnttiL]

.......STANDARDS....
Maybe WRC needs a new fan base, not new manufacturers.....

I can't agree with the language NOT is using but I agree with his point. I don't see anything positive in someone cruising like Serderidis. It doesn't look good for spectators and it doesn't create competition. Even if Bertelli and Serderidis drove the same rally, they couldn't compete with each other because they in different leagues, but still Bertelli couldn't compete with Greensmith, for instance. For me it doesn't bring anything positive apart from financial boost to the teams. But let's agree to have different opinion.

As for Serderidis giving the car to Munster, I think that's a mistake as well, too early for him. But hopefully it doesn't create dents on Munster's career.

[Tauri_J]

That's for Tuesday 7th Feb? Seems weird to me, other forecasts aren't showing that kind of temps


To me it looks like a good alternation of plus degrees and freezing to get a good ice base.

Yeah 7th. Last week was warm around Umea with tenperatures up to +5 so stages should have a pretty good ice base already.

[Rallyper]

We need to start a new thread called smth like "Gentlemen drivers in Rally1?" instead of discussing it in this Rally Sweden thread.

Someone? Moderator?

[AnttiL]

https://youtu.be/0uDkh70LqdA

Video version of the route preview

[Franky]

We need to start a new thread called smth like "Gentlemen drivers in Rally1?" instead of discussing it in this Rally Sweden thread.

Someone? Moderator?

Some here seem to be focusing on the wrong aspect with this issue. Gentlemen drivers should be further down the start list. It should be based on prior results/speed as gentlemen drivers can have very different pace. So in a way it is related to specific rallies.

[Rallyper]

Some here seem to be focusing on the wrong aspect with this issue. Gentlemen drivers should be further down the start list. It should be based on prior results/speed as gentlemen drivers can have very different pace. So in a way it is related to specific rallies.

Alright then...

[lmmjvss]

yes thats what we are saying... because there are standards in this world... unless you are a drooling autist that belongs in a cage and enjoys seeing a rally1 car going at road speed just because its a rally1 car....

Ah... I understand you point, but Fourmaux finished (overall) behind two WRC2 cars last year but I honestly rather have had that Rally1 car on the grid than not. Dont you?
And If we really think about it, more than half of the Rally1 drivers cant get close to the top Rally1 drivers anyway so why bother at all? Lets just have a 5 Rally1 cars championship! haha THE SAME DRIVERS have been the "TOP3 to TOP5" overall for basically 7 years already. Seb, Neuville, Ott... Kalle...

[AnttiL]

Ah... I understand you point, but Fourmaux finished (overall) behind two WRC2 cars last year but I honestly rather have had that Rally1 car on the grid than not. Dont you?
And If we really think about it, more than half of the Rally1 drivers cant get close to the top Rally1 drivers anyway so why bother at all? Lets just have a 5 Rally1 cars championship! haha THE SAME DRIVERS have been the "TOP3 to TOP5" overall for basically 7 years already. Seb, Neuville, Ott... Kalle...

You really can’t tell the difference between Fourmaux and Serderidis?

Last year nine drivers stood on the podium and in addition Greensmith and Solberg had 4th places.

Seven years ago Kalle hadn't even started a WRC event. The top drivers included names like Meeke, Latvala and Mikkelsen who are not driving anymore. Evans and Tänak hadn't yet won a rally.

But it's true that it's difficult to break through to the top level, we've seen many come and try and fail.

But this has nothing to do with gentleman drivers.

[lmmjvss]

You really can’t tell the difference between Fourmaux and Serderidis?
.

Oh, of course I can, mate. I was just pointing out that it shouldnt matter if the privateers are not up there with the top rally1 drivers, because no one actually can. Seb-Ott-Neuville have been the overall top3 in the last 7 years, with Kalle and Elfyn appearing in the mix in the last 2 years, making it the current "top5" drivers, right?). Serderidis got a P6 or P7 in Kenya somehow and that was awesome, in a way. Its cool because he (and Bertelli) were always around. Loubet also struggled A LOT the other years with Hyundai but its now in a better position, even never showing "much" too, at first.
I hope these appearences make the privateer interest grow in the long run. We cannot have WRC becoming a F1 thing were NO ONE CAN RACE HERE. I dont think Rally should have this mentality. Its just my opinions of course, but I think NOT exagerated in his opinion haha

[SubaruNorway]

There's no spectator stage maps online like before right? Unless I'm blind.

[AnttiL]

Oh, of course I can, mate. I was just pointing out that it shouldnt matter if the privateers are not up there with the top rally1 drivers, because no one actually can. Seb-Ott-Neuville have been the overall top3 in the last 7 years, with Kalle and Elfyn appearing in the mix in the last 2 years, making it the current "top5" drivers, right?). Serderidis got a P6 or P7 in Kenya somehow and that was awesome, in a way. Its cool because he (and Bertelli) were always around. Loubet also struggled A LOT the other years with Hyundai but its now in a better position, even never showing "much" too, at first.
I hope these appearences make the privateer interest grow in the long run. We cannot have WRC becoming a F1 thing were NO ONE CAN RACE HERE. I dont think Rally should have this mentality. Its just my opinions of course, but I think NOT exagerated in his opinion haha

So you only look at results. Fourmaux cannot finish in top 5 in the overall standings = he is as good as a gentleman driver?

Serderidis was seventh in Safari, but behind Breen and Neuville who used Super rally. Maybe that's the one event in the season where you can get to points by just driving slowly through, and there won't be a big field of WRC2 competitors getting ahead of you.

[TypeR]

It's not drivers' problem, that WRC can't put them a bit further back on starting list..
+ don't moan that cameras are sooo expensive and WRC+ doesn't buy more of them.
We have only SEVEN rally1 full
season drivers this season and some people go peanut butter nuts about 1 gent driver per rally..

[AnttiL]

We have only SEVEN rally1 full season drivers this season

That's actually an interesting number...

2022: 7
2021: 5
2020: 7
2019: 7
2018: 7
2017: 5
2016: 8
2015: 7
2014: 8
2009: 8
2004: 7
1999: 6
1995: 6

Before that we didn't have "full" seasons for anyone, everyone did partial programs. But the point is that 7 is actually a good number of full time drivers (although it could still get smaller during the season), especially for just three teams. Partial drivers have been a thing always. Also, from 1997 to 2016 a team could only enter two drivers.

[lmmjvss]

So you only look at results. Fourmaux cannot finish in top 5 in the overall standings = he is as good as a gentleman driver?


It may be my bad english, but no. In the end All Im saying is that I agree that its weird to think that some of u fellas here dont think having privateers in Rally1 is a good thing no matter where they finish the race. Then I just mentioned that the same 3 guys are getting the top3 positions for almost 7 years now and no one seems to care so why one would bother with a privateer finishing behind wrc2 cars?... This is the second time u say that im saying "Fourmaux is bad as Serderidis" and I dont know why u r doing this. I literally NEVER SAID that. But hey... this is the internet, after all. People cannot just chat about stuff from their favorite niche for a while. Everything flows into these weird argumentations where ones simply transform the whole conversation into these passive agressive ego sh1t for no reason at all. Its not the first time... Think im too old for this pointless sh1t.. honestly. Dont bother answering, dude. Im out haha Bye

[AnttiL]

It may be my bad english, but no. In the end All Im saying is that I agree that its weird to think that some of u fellas here dont think having privateers in Rally1 is a good thing no matter where they finish the race. Then I just mentioned that the same 3 guys are getting the top3 positions for almost 7 years now and no one seems to care so why one would bother with a privateer finishing behind wrc2 cars?... This is the second time u say that im saying "Fourmaux is bad as Serderidis" and I dont know why u r doing this. I literally NEVER SAID that. But hey... this is the internet, after all. People cannot just chat about stuff from their favorite niche for a while. Everything flows into these weird argumentations where ones simply transform the whole
conversation into these passive agressive ego sh1t for no reason at all. Its not the first time... Think im too old for this pointless sh1t.. honestly. Dont bother answering, dude. Im out haha Bye

You keep talking about Fourmaux as someone who finishes behind WRC2 cars when he actually doesn't do that in the stage times, he just had a bad season with many crashes. He is someone who could win a rally one day. Bertelli and Serderidis will never do that, and they don't even aim at doing that. There's a clear difference. It also looks different to a spectator.

I don't mean to be offensive, but I have a strong opinion about this. Don't ragequit, just state your opinion and we can agree to disagree :)

[fiscorpun]

But hey... this is the internet, after all. People cannot just chat about stuff from their favorite niche for a while. Everything flows into these weird argumentations where ones simply transform the whole conversation into these passive agressive ego sh1t for no reason at all. Its not the first time... Think im too old for this pointless sh1t.. honestly. Dont bother answering, dude. Im out haha Bye

Agree, my fellow south american. Racing foruns are becoming really annoying overall. Tho we continue using it because Theres no other place to discuss racing without looking like total creeps... Which we all are, actually.

[seb_sh]

That's actually an interesting number...

2022: 7
2021: 5
2020: 7
2019: 7
2018: 7
2017: 5
2016: 8
2015: 7
2014: 8
2009: 8
2004: 7
1999: 6
1995: 6

Before that we didn't have "full" seasons for anyone, everyone did partial programs. But the point is that 7 is actually a good number of full time drivers (although it could still get smaller during the season), especially for just three teams. Partial drivers have been a thing always. Also, from 1997 to 2016 a team could only enter two drivers.

facts :) small correction: between 2001-2003 teams would nominate 3 drivers as now.

[seb_sh]

It may be my bad english, but no. In the end All Im saying is that I agree that its weird to think that some of u fellas here dont think having privateers in Rally1 is a good thing no matter where they finish the race. Then I just mentioned that the same 3 guys are getting the top3 positions for almost 7 years now and no one seems to care so why one would bother with a privateer finishing behind wrc2 cars?... This is the second time u say that im saying "Fourmaux is bad as Serderidis" and I dont know why u r doing this. I literally NEVER SAID that. But hey... this is the internet, after all. People cannot just chat about stuff from their favorite niche for a while. Everything flows into these weird argumentations where ones simply transform the whole conversation into these passive agressive ego sh1t for no reason at all. Its not the first time... Think im too old for this pointless sh1t.. honestly. Dont bother answering, dude. Im out haha Bye

Literally everyone here wants more proper rally1 cars competing, I think there may be a language barrier where you are misunderstanding the intent. What some people are saying and I agree is we don't want to see Rally1 "tourists" driving slowly on the live feed instead of high quality competitors in WRC2. You keep saying privateers but Loubet when he was in Hyundai 2C and Serderidis are not the same kind of drivers, they are simply not in the same category.

[EstWRC]

Wow how much I have learned about this years rally Sweden here


FFS, how you guys manage to turn every topic into off topic this season?

[TypeR]

seems like Bertelli driving with ,,old'' car..
https://www.upload.ee/image/14883952/Screenshot_20230130_133807_Instagram.jpg

[Sulland]

seems like Bertelli driving with ,,old'' car..
https://www.upload.ee/image/14883952/Screenshot_20230130_133807_Instagram.jpg

He will not feel the difference! ;-)

[Kenneth]

Oh boy, can't wait when the rally starts and every second post here will be about how slow Bertelli is...

[AnttiL]

seems like Bertelli driving with ,,old'' car..
https://www.upload.ee/image/14883952/Screenshot_20230130_133807_Instagram.jpg

Good way to get rid of the old parts, they will end up in Swedish snowbanks anyway ;)

Jokes aside, any locals on the forum? How is the snow situation?

[Johansson]

Jokes aside, any locals on the forum? How is the snow situation?

Yes, I live in the area.. The conditions is good. The snow depth has been up to one meter :) In the beginning of last week we had quite a bit of +degrees which made the snow to sag down a little and go from powder to more compact. But it made only good for the ice layer on the road. The snowbanks are now quite hard so I think the bumpers and fenders will have a tough life on the rally :laugh: On the bigger roads with much traffic and frequently snow plowing there should be perfect conditions with a proper layer of ice. On the smaller roads only plowed and opened for the rally, I think we can expect some gravel coming through. I was at a small local rally nearby Umeå last weekend and the conditons were really nice. I havent done any specator recce yet though but there is no need to worry about the conditions. It will be a proper winter rally for sure. :)

[NOT]

Wow how much I have learned about this years rally Sweden here


FFS, how you guys manage to turn every topic into off topic this season?

its a dead sport... what did you expect to learn about the swedish rally ? we have a championship of 2.5 manufacturers, 1.5 of which are garbage... and 2.5 good drivers...

things go off topic because the main topic is dead.

[rallyfiend]

its a dead sport... what did you expect to learn about the swedish rally ? we have a championship of 2.5 manufacturers, 1.5 of which are garbage... and 2.5 good drivers...

things go off topic because the main topic is dead.

And yet here you are spending your time commenting on it...

[SubaruNorway]

If anyone has the specator maps I'm interested, especially the new stages.
Forgot to order before it was too late.

[katxal]

Could anybody tell me which team is renting Solowow's car for sweden?

[PLuto]

Could anybody tell me which team is renting Solowow's car for sweden?

Yes

[SubaruNorway]

We are missing last bit of Västervik if anyone local is out for a drive, section after 20.1km, should have turned left.
https://youtu.be/Ot8yuYOWyRE?t=1043

[DocMS]

Anyone any recommendations on stages? Plan to drive some on Wenesday but won't get all done

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[AnttiL]

Anyone any recommendations on stages? Plan to drive some on Wenesday but won't get all done

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Norrby beginning :)

[SubaruNorway]

Spectator maps are coming, a few up on the Swedish page so far.
Looks like + degrees so lucky I bought a new warm jacket... No rain like shakedown last year hopefully!
https://rallysweden.com/tavlingen/
Norrby looks ok, Sävar is a decent stage, possible to walk in from the main road on scooter tracks, just check them first, new official track by junction right. Lots of yelling for no reason and almost fight at the middle of Brattby in both directions, interesting to see if they have done something by the small jump

[Rallyper]

Floda from start, I´d say.
First right hander, sure. But walk 500 + meters and it looks also good.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@RallySweden
Just now.. Powestage, Sarsjöliden...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn9BgmRXwAYZHkK?format=jpg&name=large

[AnttiL]

Sarsjöliden is not even the power stage this year :D

[jparerax7]

Does anyone know from last year if it is allowed to walk on the snowmobile-specific trails to access the SS?

[SubaruNorway]

If anyone has issues with marshals, just make them read the what safety chief Richard Johansson says, you are free to walk anywhere you want due to "allemansrätten" and you do not have to be at spectator areas. Apart from the i20 area at Umeå of course, scared me when i turned the corner and met two guys with guns last year...
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10160436409988445&set=gm.8582091388532008&idorvanity=1247881198619767

For the scooter tracks i don't know but don't see why not other than being a bit in the way, just walked some un-official last year.

[jparerax7]

Referring to the i20 Area, that is prohibited, you are referring to the one that appears in this map as military area, right? I mean, if we stay away from this area, we can spectate the Umea stages without being in the official spectating spots (for example de Red barn arena)?
2377

[SubaruNorway]

Referring to the i20 Area, that is prohibited, you are referring to the one that appears in this map as military area, right? I mean, if we stay away from this area, we can spectate the Umea stages without being in the official spectating spots (for example de Red barn arena)?
2377

Yeah we tried driving straight through the military area to the northern part of the long stage because it was open earlier in the week.
The northern part of the stage was fine to spectate last year, they were making a new road up there close to the new start so not sure how it looks now though, walked in from under this bridge.
This is from April https://www.google.com/maps/@63.8712406,20.302572,3a,60y,285.56h,83.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szLiyUw3kPX1BZAl6tEw4Gg!2e0!7i1 6384!8i8192

[Rallyper]

Is published entrylist similar to startlist? Should be standings from RMC, wouldn´t it?
No published startlist from organizer made me wonder...

[satnav]

The start list for section 1 + 2 will be published at 14:00 on the 9th on the notice board.

[AnttiL]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/79247-rally-sweden-2023/

You can see the running order here

[Rallyper]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/79247-rally-sweden-2023/

You can see the running order here

Thanks guys.
Actually I saw it on EWRC.

[KKSF]

Otepaa Talveralli 2023, Estonia, Ott Tanak testing for WRC Rally Sweden 2023. Some off's and Serderidis spin.
KKSF HD video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84iPFx6WHxg

[AnttiL]

Conditions on the Norrby stage, looking nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mPupS058zo

[NOT]

Otepaa Talveralli 2023, Estonia, Ott Tanak testing for WRC Rally Sweden 2023. Some off's and Serderidis spin.
KKSF HD video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84iPFx6WHxg

the old worthless sack of fat serderidis is losing to a rally4 cars... but hey we have a rally1 car on the stages to satisfy the drroling autists that count rally1 cars... reminds me of the mentally retarded people that count trains on train stations...

I think the FIA can easily exclude him for bringing the sport into disrepute...

[M3 Jambo]

the old worthless sack of fat serderidis is losing to a rally4 cars... but hey we have a rally1 car on the stages to satisfy the drroling autists that count rally1 cars... reminds me of the mentally retarded people that count trains on train stations...

I think the FIA can easily exclude him for bringing the sport into disrepute...

He speaks highly of you as well.

[Rallyest]

the old worthless sack of fat serderidis is losing to a rally4 cars... but hey we have a rally1 car on the stages to satisfy the drroling autists that count rally1 cars... reminds me of the mentally retarded people that count trains on train stations...

I think the FIA can easily exclude him for bringing the sport into disrepute...

had a chat with him before regroup at Otepää, and he really is a awesome guy.
And to all the haters that say he is slow, i doubt any of you would be half as fast as he is. If i had the money i would be doing the same thing.
Calling him what you did just now, not even gonna write it again, because FIA cant figure out the gentleman driver system in their running order makes you look stupid. i dont think you even deserve a reply from anyone, and if i would be a moderator i would send you to a vacation from this forum...getting that personal about someone on a friendly rallying forum is retarded

[Franky]

Rallyest, you just don't know NOT. Many have him on their ignore lists for his unique expressive language.

[Rallyper]

The Gentlemen Rally1 drivers topic should be on The Bar and discussion thread. Can it pls be removed from Rally Sweden thread?

I´m not keen to say I love the present situation having an old chap as myself driving in the top ten order. Especially not Sweden with narrow snowbanks and very fast sections. If I were in Mr S´ situation I´d concentrate on giving young promising drivers the opportunity to develop at higher levels, instead of having the pleasure to embarrase myself.

However the problem must be solved in some way later on. But can´t happen this week...

[AnttiL]

The Gentlemen Rally1 drivers topic should be on The Bar and discussion thread. Can it pls be removed from Rally Sweden thread?

I´m not keen to say I love the present situation having an old chap as myself driving in the top ten order. Especially not Sweden with narrow snowbanks and very fast sections. If I were in Mr S´ situation I´d concentrate on giving young promising drivers the opportunity to develop at higher levels, instead of having the pleasure to embarrase myself.

However the problem must be solved in some way later on. But can´t happen this week...

Well said. And even though I don't like watching Serderidis driving on WRC+, I have nothing personally against the guy.

[TypeR]

The Gentlemen Rally1 drivers topic should be on The Bar and discussion thread. Can it pls be removed from Rally Sweden thread?

I´m not keen to say I love the present situation having an old chap as myself driving in the top ten order. Especially not Sweden with narrow snowbanks and very fast sections. If I were in Mr S´ situation I´d concentrate on giving young promising drivers the opportunity to develop at higher levels, instead of having the pleasure to embarrase myself.

However the problem must be solved in some way later on. But can´t happen this week...

He won't drive in Sweden. Heard that Tanak just invited him to Estonia and drive a nice winter rally.

[Rallyper]

He won't drive in Sweden. Heard that Tanak just invited him to Estonia and drive a nice winter rally.

Yes. My bad. Actually took him for granted in Sweden as well. :)

[bandit12]

In Sweden you will have cpt Bertorelli

[AndersX]

When watching vids from Swe upcoming stages, must admit - unfortunately boring roads around Umeå; possibly Östersund would have been able to offer smth more interesting. Hard to compare with good old Karlstad region roads.

About gent-drivers: this is clear on FIA table - out of balance situation - overcrowded Rally 2 category with very few top category seats.

[flat_right]

When watching vids from Swe upcoming stages, must admit - unfortunately boring roads around Umeå; possibly Östersund would have been able to offer smth more interesting. Hard to compare with good old Karlstad region roads.

About gent-drivers: this is clear on FIA table - out of balance situation - overcrowded Rally 2 category with very few top category seats.

Overcrowded Rally 2? What does that even mean? I think Rally2 is in a very healthy situation at the moment. We have multiple drivers who can win, multiple manufacturers whose car can win. This is the situation we want in Rally1.

[AnttiL]

I think Rally2 is in a very healthy situation at the moment. We have multiple drivers who can win, multiple manufacturers whose car can win. This is the situation we want in Rally1.

For Rally Sweden 2023, I see six drivers fighting for WRC2 win, and one of them is driving an old car (Huttunen). If anyone else wins, it's a surprise. I would say it's the same number in the main class. As for manufacturers, I'm surprised if it's not a Skoda, Hyundai or VW winning WRC2.

And when we go to the next rally, it won't be the same six WRC2 drivers fighting for the win.

[Rallyper]

When watching vids from Swe upcoming stages, must admit - unfortunately boring roads around Umeå; possibly Östersund would have been able to offer smth more interesting. Hard to compare with good old Karlstad region roads.

About gent-drivers: this is clear on FIA table - out of balance situation - overcrowded Rally 2 category with very few top category seats.

I´d wait to see.
Karlstad/Värmland region offered even faster roads than Finland. So there are interesting places where ever you go. Agree though Östersund would´ve been greatest solution.

[AndersX]

Overcrowded Rally 2? What does that even mean? I think Rally2 is in a very healthy situation at the moment. We have multiple drivers who can win, multiple manufacturers whose car can win. This is the situation we want in Rally1.

My bad, wrong wording - the point was that the talent from R2 has no seats in R1, even in forseenable future, thus they get stucked there, while free-seats goes to Gent-drivers. Situation out of balance.

[AnttiL]

My bad, wrong wording - the point was that the talent from R2 has no seats in R1, even in forseenable future, thus they get stucked there, while free-seats goes to Gent-drivers. Situation out of balance.

Yes but Serderidis would/could drive even if M-Sport had three or four "normal" drivers.

[AnttiL]

I´d wait to see.
Karlstad/Värmland region offered even faster roads than Finland.

Värmland roads had more character than in Umeå. There were crests and corners, variations on the roads from wide to narrow. Now we have just endless super fast forest roads - even two 25 km stages made up completely of them - but very little wide roads with crests and flowing bends. There's barely any jumps or crests anywhere. Also Värmland had awesome technical sections like the beginning of Vargåsen, without being super narrow between the trees like most of the technical sections in Umeå. At best, the Umeå roads resemble Arctic Rally Finland.

[AndersX]

Unpopular idea: may be Rally Est would be better run in the winter untill swedes find smth more appropriate? Otepaa in winter would be rally wonderland.

[cali]

Unpopular idea: may be Rally Est would be better run in the winter untill swedes find smth more appropriate? Otepaa in winter would be rally wonderland.

Roads are nice in general but we are also very dependent on the weather as was Värmland area. We were quite lucky actually now to have 3-4 days of cold and winter because before that and now we have spring again with + degrees.
Though I wouldn't be against it at all

[AnttiL]

Yeah, Estonia would be prone to same warm conditions as Värmland? Even more South than Torsby, and closer to sea.

Norway?

[cali]

Yeah, Estonia would be prone to same warm conditions as Värmland? Even more South than Torsby, and closer to sea.

Norway?Yes, we are more prone to warm weather

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[Myrvold]

My bad, wrong wording - the point was that the talent from R2 has no seats in R1, even in forseenable future, thus they get stucked there, while free-seats goes to Gent-drivers. Situation out of balance.

It's not like any of the gentleman drivers today takes up any spots that otherwise would've gone to a big talent.

[Rallyper]

Värmland roads had more character than in Umeå. There were crests and corners, variations on the roads from wide to narrow. Now we have just endless super fast forest roads - even two 25 km stages made up completely of them - but very little wide roads with crests and flowing bends. There's barely any jumps or crests anywhere. Also Värmland had awesome technical sections like the beginning of Vargåsen, without being super narrow between the trees like most of the technical sections in Umeå. At best, the Umeå roads resemble Arctic Rally Finland.

Agree.
Last year they chose Umeå before Östersund.
But - Östersund really got all of Värmland and Umeå together...

[J4MIE]

Värmland roads had more character than in Umeå. There were crests and corners, variations on the roads from wide to narrow. Now we have just endless super fast forest roads - even two 25 km stages made up completely of them - but very little wide roads with crests and flowing bends. There's barely any jumps or crests anywhere. Also Värmland had awesome technical sections like the beginning of Vargåsen, without being super narrow between the trees like most of the technical sections in Umeå. At best, the Umeå roads resemble Arctic Rally Finland.

Yes, but we aren’t sitting here wondering how many stages will be cancelled due to lack of snow/ice.

[HKSjbg]

Norway?

Who in EV-loving Norway would fund a WRC event? Would love to see it return again though…

[SubaruNorway]

Yes, but we aren’t sitting here wondering how many stages will be cancelled due to lack of snow/ice.

No, It's reindeers this time, even more unpredictable!
Doubt Norway will ever host it again on our own, we got lucky with who was in government the first time.

[jparerax7]

Hey there! I'm looking to attend to SS Floda, but I need the help of a local/someone that knows the current state of the smaller roads around the stage. Precisely, I'd like to know whether the road that starts in the blue star in the image is drivable or not. You'd help me a lot, thanks!

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[SubaruNorway]

Hey there! I'm looking to attend to SS Floda, but I need the help of a local/someone that knows the current state of the smaller roads around the stage. Precisely, I'd like to know whether the road that starts in the blue star in the image is drivable or not. You'd help me a lot, thanks!

2378

If you look in streetview it wasn't last year and dead end roads with no houses are very rarely plowed. https://www.google.com/maps/@64.3628666,20.2455681,3a,73.9y,318.47h,94.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAcqNLqhO8zKBlRiDpYIsxw!2e0!7i1 6384!8i8192

[NOT]

had a chat with him before regroup at Otepää, and he really is a awesome guy.
And to all the haters that say he is slow, i doubt any of you would be half as fast as he is. If i had the money i would be doing the same thing.
Calling him what you did just now, not even gonna write it again, because FIA cant figure out the gentleman driver system in their running order makes you look stupid. i dont think you even deserve a reply from anyone, and if i would be a moderator i would send you to a vacation from this forum...getting that personal about someone on a friendly rallying forum is retarded

awosome in what way ? lol what are you some simpleton farmer that judges people from a chat ?

99.9% of this forum would be faster than him in his car...

thats the problem with rallying.. its too friendly... we allow every clown in the sport and cheer on them... then we wonder why the sport is dead... why a serious manufacturer would invest in a sport that allows worthless clowns to get their hands on the top machinery without any filter.

would you enjoy the olympics if you had competitors jumping 2 meters in long jump ? would you enjoy football if you had teams that would lose 20-0 to the top teams ?

every sport has a system that people have to prove they can compete at the top... but not in rallying... nope here we are happy with everyone... its like having an olympics and special olympics merged in one... with retards and top athletes competing together...

did you know that in WRC serderidis is a legit recognised champion ? what a great sport....

thank god f1 has some interest once more.

[PLuto]

Yes, but we aren’t sitting here wondering how many stages will be cancelled due to lack of snow/ice.

BTW, today evening was raining in Umea...

[NOT]

[QUOTE=Rallyest;1319067and if i would be a moderator i would send you to a vacation from this forum...getting that personal about someone on a friendly rallying forum is retarded[/QUOTE]

of course its easier to silence someone that argue with them...

what weak gormless spinelss times we live in...

[Jarek Z]

And to all the haters that say he is slow, i doubt any of you would be half as fast as he is. If i had the money i would be doing the same thing.

That is exactly what I can't understand. Maybe it's a question of my different character, but I would never ever use my own money to compromise myself like this. I mean how can you explain a result such as this?
Behind 15-year-old Citroen C2 R2? Come on...
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/81096-otepaa-talveralli-2023/

[Eli]

Umeå are signed until 2024 right? so if they were to move the event again, it wouldn't happen before 2025? (I'm guessing).

[Tanelv]

Unpopular idea: may be Rally Est would be better run in the winter untill swedes find smth more appropriate? Otepaa in winter would be rally wonderland.

Or why not Jyväskylä in winter

[Rallyper]

Or why not Jyväskylä in winter

Hold your horses. Summer event is enough. Because nothing is better.

[TypeR]

recce going on
https://www.upload.ee/image/14910551/Screenshot_20230207_135036_Instagram.jpg

[rallyfiend]

Or why not Jyväskylä in winter

Does jyvaskyla have guaranteed snow at this time of year?!

[AMSS]

Does jyvaskyla have guaranteed snow at this time of year?!

No

[rp]

Does jyvaskyla have guaranteed snow at this time of year?!

Unfortunately no 100%. Should be snow, but the amount can be very different year by year. + degrees are possible and if luck is not your side the hot temperature weekend might happen just then there would be rally. Maybe better, but almost like in Karlstad area.

[Sulland]

That is exactly what I can't understand. Maybe it's a question of my different character, but I would never ever use my own money to compromise myself like this. I mean how can you explain a result such as this?
Behind 15-year-old Citroen C2 R2? Come on...
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/81096-otepaa-talveralli-2023/

Well, it is only about having fun, is it not. Soon we will all be dead, so many of us need to be better in enjoying the moment.
Logically he would have had more fun in a Rally2 or even a Rally3 car, that his brain could take in what happens.
But he is about my age, and he would utrun me any day of the week, as with most people in here....

[er88]

With the demand from new countries to enter the championship, and teams wanting to explore new markets (without going over 14 events), maybe its time to look for an alternative to Sweden for good. They've been a cornerstone of the championship, but this current event isn't 'Rally Sweden' as we knew it.
Surely by 2025 when the current deal runs out, the promoter can find a new snow event in Canada etc. I know Canada currently has 2 winter rallies in their calendar currently. One at rhe start of February, the other the first week of December usually. Would kill 2 birds with one stone, branching into the North America Market and giving us a snow event that's vital to the championship. Maybe Japan has the possibility to host a snow rally as well somewhere?

[AnttiL]

And to all the haters that say he is slow, i doubt any of you would be half as fast as he is.



But he is about my age, and he would utrun me any day of the week, as with most people in here....

I think this argument is irrelevant. Do all music critics sell more albums than the artists they give 1/5 ratings to? Same with movies?

But still, if local rally privateers with old FWD cars are faster, it's fair to estimate that 90% of rally drivers would be faster with the same amount of kilometres.

[bandit12]

Poor guy had his first snow rally. And those Otepää roads is not just easyest to begin with...

[AnttiL]

Poor guy

:D

[Jarek Z]

Well, it is only about having fun, is it not. Soon we will all be dead, so many of us need to be better in enjoying the moment.

Yes, in those dark times, maybe we should look on the bright side of life a little more...


But he is about my age, and he would utrun me any day of the week

But only because you don't practice enough! ;)

[Jarek Z]

Poor guy had his first snow rally. And those Otepää roads is not just easyest to begin with...

Yes, there are corners, left and right, slow and fast. We can't blame him, it all took him by surprise :D

[TypeR]

:D
Poor guy took someone's free seat.. right :D :D

[cali]

C'mon guys leave the old bloke alone now and get back to the Rally Sweden.

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[jparerax7]

Changing the subject, I'm looking to attend the Umea Sprint stage this Thursday, and I'd like to spectate the northern part of the SS, not in the Red Barn Arena. Does anyone know where to park and walk to see this part of the stage? Thanks a lot!

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[Hartusvuori]

I think this argument is irrelevant. Do all music critics sell more albums than the artists they give 1/5 ratings to? Same with movies?

Commercial success is only one way to measure the quality of a cultural product. In the end, there is no definitive way to say one movie is better than the other, etc. However, if we put two guys one at a time in the same car, set a stage and clock it, it's a definite way to measure which one is faster.

[Hartusvuori]

With the demand from new countries to enter the championship, and teams wanting to explore new markets (without going over 14 events), maybe its time to look for an alternative to Sweden for good. They've been a cornerstone of the championship, but this current event isn't 'Rally Sweden' as we knew it.


Do I understand the train of thought here correctly: Ongoing demand for new events > Rally Swedes practically becomes a new event > ditch it because it's not the old event.

[Rallyest]

So are you guys Wilson or Millener? Will Tänak be able to fight for win in Sweden or not? :D

[skarderud]

So are you guys Wilson or Millener? Will Tänak be able to fight for win in Sweden or not? :DYeah, i think so.
Rovanpëra and Evans too, close race all weekend i hope!
Neuville/Hyundai's is not close sadly.

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[skarderud]

Do I understand the train of thought here correctly: Ongoing demand for new events > Rally Swedes practically becomes a new event > ditch it because it's not the old event.I want new sweden every year instead of uninterested rallies in Saudi Arabia and the other shit-countries with lot of money and zero of everything else.

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[AnttiL]

Do I understand the train of thought here correctly: Ongoing demand for new events > Rally Swedes practically becomes a new event > ditch it because it's not the old event.

Rally Sweden becomes a new event > The new roads are not good > Demand for new snow rally which fits ongoing demand for new events

[AnttiL]

Yeah, i think so.
Rovanpëra and Evans too, close race all weekend i hope!
Neuville/Hyundai's is not close sadly.

I have to say it's nowadays impossible to predict which team/driver got the setup right or wrong and who can get the stage wins coming easily and who drives at 120% but still cannot win a stage.

[cali]

I have to say it's nowadays impossible to predict which team/driver got the setup right or wrong and who can get the stage wins coming easily and who drives at 120% but still cannot win a stage.I was not impressed by Tänak at Otepää. Or the Tänak/Puma combination. Something is visibly off looking at the cars behaviour and Tänak's input. The late stages during darkness again were more promising so maybe they finally found something. At the beginning of the rally it was very sluggish. Though he cleaned the roads as there was overnight snowfall and in the afternoon again started to snow.

Different conditions and roads in Umea so again very hard to tell but I predict Toyota 1-2 with maybe Evans getting the win. For Tänak at best he fights for 3rd position.

That's my gut feeling and this what I have seen on stages so far.

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[AnttiL]

I'm too scared to pick Tänak in my predictions, the probability of a technical fault is too high

[EstWRC]

I was not impressed by Tänak at Otepää. Or the Tänak/Puma combination. Something is visibly off looking at the cars behaviour and Tänak's input. The late stages during darkness again were more promising so maybe they finally found something. At the beginning of the rally it was very sluggish. Though he cleaned the roads as there was overnight snowfall and in the afternoon again started to snow.

Different conditions and roads in Umea so again very hard to tell but I predict Toyota 1-2 with maybe Evans getting the win. For Tänak at best he fights for 3rd position.

That's my gutfeeling and this what I have seen on stages so far.

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I think it was because of the fresh snow like you said.

The afternoon stages looked better and Martin said that the last two stages were already quite good and it seems they found something.

But we will see. Everything is possible

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Expectations shouldn't be too high even for Tanak when coming in to a new car.

Remember Ogier took time to find the best set-up for the "great out of the box" 2017 Fiesta WRC. He only won 1 of the first 5 events and that was in Monte after Neuville's mistake. In fact he only won 2 events all year... but became Champion.

[Rallyest]

Expectations shouldn't be too high even for Tanak when coming in to a new car.

Remember Ogier took time to find the best set-up for the "great out of the box" 2017 Fiesta WRC. He only won 1 of the first 5 events and that was in Monte after Neuville's mistake. In fact he only won 2 events all year... but became Champion.

Yes i think also that consistency and reliabilty is key to Tänak this year, but as monte showed, that could be a little bit of a problem with Puma

[bandit12]

Yes i think also that consistency and reliabilty is key to Tänak this year, but as monte showed, that could be a little bit of a problem with Puma
Dear Estonian fans
You can't just move the discussion to Tänak in every topic. He has his own thread 😉

[Rallyper]

Dear Estonian fans
You can't just move the discussion to Tänak in every topic. He has his own thread ��

Yeah. And Serderidis deserves own thread as well, it seems...

[focus206]

Strange to see how many of you predict that Tanak or Evans will fight for the win. I'd be surprised to see any other result than Kalle easily controlling and taking the win. Of course, happy to be proven wrong, it would mean this championship is not set in stone as I think it is.

[Rallyest]

Strange to see how many of you predict that Tanak or Evans will fight for the win. I'd be surprised to see any other result than Kalle easily controlling and taking the win. Of course, happy to be proven wrong, it would mean this championship is not set in stone as I think it is.


Also i think many of you are forggeting Breen, if he clicks well with the new Hyundai as he has a similar driving style with Neuville, i think he may be dangerous aswell.

[AnttiL]

Let's not forget Lappi either.

Of course Rovanperä is biggest favourite but hard to predict. Tänak and Puma on snow is a big question mark, as are Lappi and Breen with the Hyundai Rally1. And then we don't know what the conditions will exactly be, will Rovanperä lose time first on the road or not.

[Rallyest]

Let's not forget Lappi either.

Of course Rovanperä is biggest favourite but hard to predict. Tänak and Puma on snow is a big question mark, as are Lappi and Breen with the Hyundai Rally1. And then we don't know what the conditions will exactly be, will Rovanperä lose time first on the road or not.

If the conditions stay as they are right now i dont think he will lose too much on first loop, second pass tho he will lose more i think since the R5 and smaller cars ruin the tracks for Rally1 and there will be more "cleaning"

[AnttiL]

If the conditions stay as they are right now i dont think he will lose too much on first loop, second pass tho he will lose more i think since the R5 and smaller cars ruin the tracks for Rally1 and there will be more "cleaning"

That's what I assume as well, and the second loop is relatively short, but it's difficult to know the exact conditions. I heard already that Brattby is more packed snow than ice so not good for Kalle.

[EstWRC]

Recce interviews https://youtu.be/6DI1Ody6sbs

[Rallyest]

Recce interviews https://youtu.be/6DI1Ody6sbs


"will be quite a drag race" so looks like toyotas will have a little edge over everyone else

[EstWRC]

And stage 2 and stage 10 not looking the best (road soft already) according to drivers but overall conditions looking good .

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FodD5CLXwAMJQON?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FodD5CEXgAAo8zi?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FocyGm2XwAER3tU?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoczmOlXgAAe0xw?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FocSOB2WIAAEB78?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FocSOCLX0AICJWp?format=jpg&name=large

[Jarek Z]

Italian drivers Mauro Miele and Luciano Cobbe test their Skodas in Sweden. It seems there is enough snow this time :)
https://www.rallylink.it/cms23/images/easyblog_articles/159/b2ap3_large_miele.jpg
https://www.rallylink.it/cms23/images/easyblog_articles/159/b2ap3_large_cobbe.jpg

[Rallyper]

Hey guys. Just 26 hours until closing time for Pickems tomorrow at 1900 hrs CET.

Make your Pickems for the very exciting Rally Sweden now!

[EstWRC]

Cars in service park https://youtu.be/loq6n9oxD5g

Bertelli livery looks quite ugly IMO

[becher]

"will be quite a drag race" so looks like toyotas will have a little edge over everyone else
The Yaris has longer gearing?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Thierry Neuville @thierryneuville

Here we go for Round 2 ! Recce is done and conditions are looking ok all in all. I got sick during the pre-event test and I couldn’t work on the set-up like I would have wanted but I will try to get that right on the shakedown tomorrow.

[er88]

Thierry Neuville @thierryneuville

Here we go for Round 2 ! Recce is done and conditions are looking ok all in all. I got sick during the pre-event test and I couldn’t work on the set-up like I would have wanted but I will try to get that right on the shakedown tomorrow.That might help him in a weird way, considering how often he seems to start rallies with the wrong setup (before getting faster and faster)

[EstWRC]

That might help him in a weird way, considering how often he seems to start rallies with the wrong setup (before getting faster and faster)

true but there is a chance he will screw it up during shakedown tomorrow :D

[er88]

Do I understand the train of thought here correctly: Ongoing demand for new events > Rally Swedes practically becomes a new event > ditch it because it's not the old event.No - ditch it because the roads are really boring for the most part. You can't even compare the roads here to the ones around Karlstad and Torsby.

The championship calendar isn't going to expand to 16/18/20+ races like F1, yet the WRC needs to visit new markets (Canada/ USA/ Middle east/China etc etc and historical events like Argentina and UK will hopefully want back in soon enough as well).

I only mentioned Canada because they have 2 current events held on snow + it adds a new market for the WRC.

Sweden has been a heritage event with great stages for decades, and its a real shame we have lost that due to lack of snow. However this new event won't be missed in the same way and it is replaceable. I'm not meaning to offend Swedes or people who travel to Sweden regularly for this rally, but I can't be the only one who thinks these stages lack character. If it wasn't for it being a winter wonderland it wouldn't even be considered WRC standard. It was a panic move.

[EstWRC]

Driver interviews. Lappi sounds so down already while Breen sounds way more confident
https://youtu.be/oAHfEy1SZLk

[AnttiL]

Driver interviews. Lappi sounds so down already while Breen sounds way more confident
https://youtu.be/oAHfEy1SZLk

Interesting comments from Neuville about the route.

[Eli]

Interesting comments from Neuville about the route.

Pretty much conforming what's been said here (& in your route preview if I'm not mistaken), pretty (for the most part) boring stages. I wonder if the reason why the cars don't have Umeå written on the side of them is because the organizers of the rally know we won't be here for much longer.

[AndersX]

Sweden has been a heritage event with great stages for decades, and its a real shame we have lost that due to lack of snow. However this new event won't be missed in the same way and it is replaceable. I'm not meaning to offend Swedes or people who travel to Sweden regularly for this rally, but I can't be the only one who thinks these stages lack character. If it wasn't for it being a winter wonderland it wouldn't even be considered WRC standard. It was a panic move.

You wrote exactly in my words. This was a panic move and which municipality was ready to pay more in a rush - it was nothing about the rally, just business....

[SubaruNorway]

The first 9km of Botsmark is closed due to ice falling from the windmills i was told by the recce marshall, there's 1 or 2 close to the road..

[EstWRC]

So since 2017 Toyota has won all Rally Sweden events apart 2018 when Thierry won

Thierry, Ott, Kalle and Elfyn have all won the event once since 2017 and Ott also won the Arctic in 2021

Let’s see who will win this year

[AnttiL]

Different winners every year since 2016: Ogier, Latvala, Neuville, Tänak, Evans and Rovanperä. Will it continue like that?

[Corcaíoch]

Driver interviews. Lappi sounds so down already while Breen sounds way more confident
https://youtu.be/oAHfEy1SZLk
Funny how different people hear different things 😃 I actually thought it was just sort of Lappi being Lappi? While on the otherhand I thought Breen sounded a bit flatter than usual, even before the M-Sport questions. He is almost always positive and smiling but I thought it just wasn't quite as convincing this time for some reason. Really hope he has a good weekend because his confidence must be not far off of rock bottom at the moment.

Also while the podcast can be quite annoying at times, credit where its due, Clark/Dirtfish are good at these types of interviews

[er88]

Also while the podcast can be quite annoying at times, credit where its due, Clark/Dirtfish are good at these types of interviews

Yeah agreed, some decent questions thrown in from Colin Clark. Not the usual wrc tv questions we get that are so samey or very, very safe. The reporters aren't paid to be drivers best mates or tippy toe around them. Sometimes you have to ask questions that a driver might not like or get irked by (Clark asking Breen about Msport, and specifically about comments made regarding "how Msport now have a winning driver" /asking why Breen felt he had to end the 2yr deal, etc. Or last season when Clark kept pushing Thierry and Hyundai about the lack of team orders in Greece).

CC should've rephrased his questions about the rally being too fast though. The speed isn't the issue the drivers have which he should've picked up, it's the long long straights and lack of proper driveable/interesting corners.

[Rallyest]

Funny how different people hear different things �� I actually thought it was just sort of Lappi being Lappi? While on the otherhand I thought Breen sounded a bit flatter than usual, even before the M-Sport questions. He is almost always positive and smiling but I thought it just wasn't quite as convincing this time for some reason. Really hope he has a good weekend because his confidence must be not far off of rock bottom at the moment.

Also while the podcast can be quite annoying at times, credit where its due, Clark/Dirtfish are good at these types of interviews

To be fair Lappi being Lappi usually sounds down like that, Happy Lappi is a rare occasion. Guess he is just a Finn :D

[EstWRC]

It’s not just how his mood is

There isn’t confidence in his answers at all and says the the same thing what Ott said in betsafe interview that the car starts to surprise when you push it

I wish him the best and hope there isn’t problems for him during the rally

He is one of my favorite characters in the series and it’s sad to see his confidence so low in the beginning of the season already.

[mknight]

He has great comments, but something must be slightly wrong in the head of a guy that leaves Toyota while they are dominant on his own... two times!

[AnttiL]

I think Lappi is making little gestures like coughing, touching his face and blinking which kinda hints that he's not comfortable answering the question. But I might be reading into it because I had read EstWRC's comment before watching the video.

[Rallyest]

It’s not just how his mood is

There isn’t confidence in his answers at all and says the the same thing what Ott said in betsafe interview that the car starts to surprise when you push it

I wish him the best and hope there isn’t problems for him during the rally

He is one of my favorite characters in the series and it’s sad to see his confidence so low in the beginning of the season already.


Okay, i now get what you are saying after watching this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAHfEy1SZLk&t=1559s

Lappi looks like he is about to cry

[Tauri_J]

Poor getaway by ott? Or just trying to find better traction?

Nevermind, time is good

[er88]

Ott "this is probably the best stage of the rally" :D

[er88]

Stage starting to get quicker after first 3 cars

[Tauri_J]

It has to be cleaning a lot

[Tauri_J]

Stage starting to get quicker after first 3 cars

??

It obviously gets quicker with every car not only after 3rd lol

[AnttiL]

Ott "this is probably the best stage of the rally" :D

Not the only one to share this opinion

[Oraamat]

You wrote exactly in my words. This was a panic move and which municipality was ready to pay more in a rush - it was nothing about the rally, just business....
Are the organizers the same as for Karlstad area event or new team for new area who cant plan and make more interesting stages, or are the roads boring in that new area in general?

[Tauri_J]

Not the only one to share this opinion

Well technically, its not even part of the rally

[Rallyest]

I know its only Shakedown, but amazing speed by Oliver 3s Faster than Veiby and Teemu, both guys who should know how to drive on snow

[AnttiL]

Are the organizers the same as for Karlstad area event or new team for new area who cant plan and make more interesting stages, or are the roads boring in that new area in general?

I think the top organization is the same but the locals make the route etc.

[AnttiL]

I know its only Shakedown, but amazing speed by Oliver 3s Faster than Veiby and Teemu, both guys who should know how to drive on snow

Yes. I'm happy to see Oliver with good pace but I hope he can get a clean rally. We know he can post fast stage times, now it's time to turn that into wins. He has now speed more than necessary.

[Eli]

Okay, i now get what you are saying after watching this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAHfEy1SZLk&t=1559s

Lappi looks like he is about to cry

Lappi seems as if he’s now starting to understand what Ott was complaining about, and if anything Breen looked like he was about to burst into tears when Colin asked him about a lead driver.

[EstWRC]

but Lappi is smashing it atm at the shakedown

way faster than others

[Essaj]

but Lappi is smashing it atm at the shakedown

way faster than others


Lappi sounds so down already

What one night of sleep does :cool:

[Tauri_J]

If Lappi's time is correct...wow

[flat_right]

What the hell did Lappi eat for the breakfast? I really haven't seen anything like this in the past when conditions are pretty much equal...

[Rallyper]

Lappi pushing hard, while maybe the others (Ott, Neuville, Evans) already know the level of pushing...?

[mknight]

Well I don't have as good overview of the route as AnttiL, but my impression is that shakedown is more technical and slow than most of the rally and with the conditions (soft ground and hard barriers) it is mostly about who bounces off the barriers more/better.

[cali]

Guys it's shakedown

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