[WRC] RallyRACC Catalunya - COSTA DAURADA

[cali]

You mean the guy on the left that is saying in media that his boss should not be his boss and go back to making engines?

His boss is temporary boss and he was saying that he is very good at doing engines and he should be continuing doing amazing stuff there but the leader should be someone with previous leadership experience. Not too difficult to understand when you are not trying to make up things. Some guys just can't read and think at the same time...

[TypeR]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak-questions-hyundais-role-in-hybrid-unit-issues/

Moncet: ,,“As I say, definitely, it will not help the performance of the car,” he added. “It’s not a drama; we have seen some other drivers in the past even win stages without hybrid support.

He has lost time but you see he’s still within 20s of first place''

Doesn't sound like a professional team boss..?
Comparing stage wins without hybrid power.. MAYBE there is a difference between surfaces and real help of hybrid.

[cali]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak-questions-hyundais-role-in-hybrid-unit-issues/

Moncet: ,,“As I say, definitely, it will not help the performance of the car,” he added. “It’s not a drama; we have seen some other drivers in the past even win stages without hybrid support.

He has lost time but you see he’s still within 20s of first place''

Doesn't sound like a professional rally team principal..?
Comparing stage wins without hybrid power.. MAYBE there is a difference between surfaces and real help of hybrid.. Sadly it has become a big joke.

Now quite many times Moncet is downplaying some of the things happening with technical issues. And comparing punctures with hybrid problems you must find him to be very good apologiist.

I don't know how much and if it had any affect and why it's always happening to one driver but some of the stuff this guy says is just complete bonkers.

[mknight]

His boss is temporary boss and he was saying thet he is very good at doing engines and the leader should be someone with previous leadership experience. Not too difficult to understand when you are not trying to make up things. Some guys just can't read and think at the same time...

Just finding it ridiculous how it is suddenly claimed that Tanak is totally not involved in "Team politics" and is a poor little guy sitting in corner.

Go past one line and remember whole year. Tanak being in media about the car all the time, allegedly meeting Hyundai Koreans bosses without Moncet a few times, then saying someone else should lead the team. Totally not "Team politics".

Some guys can't think more back than one post...

[mknight]

Now quite many times Moncet is downplaying some of the things happening with technical issues. And comparing punctures with hybrid problems you must find him to be very good apologiist.

I don't know how much and if it had any affect and why it's always happening to one driver but some of the stuff this guy says is just complete bonkers.

Croatia? You need some "remember pills" this morning.

[meh]

Hey, guys, stage started already quite some time ago - you can stop fighting now and watch rally :)

[meh]

Quite surprisingly level, before top3, at 1st split 5 drivers in 0.1sec.

[SubaruNorway]

Breen did drive Savallá in 18, how does he not know...

[cali]

Just finding it ridiculous how it is suddenly claimed that Tanak is totally not involved in "Team politics" and is a poor little guy sitting in corner.

Go past one line and remember whole year. Tanak being in media about the car all the time, allegedly meeting Hyundai Koreans bosses without Moncet a few times, then saying someone else should lead the team. Totally not "Team politics".

Some guys can't think more back than one post...

How typical of you if your point is not valid anymore you start with new thesis. Keep it going and interpreting things in your (wrong) way.
I was just pointing you the fact what Tänak really said, not the fantasy stuff you made all up.

[cali]

Hey, guys, stage started already quite some time ago - you can stop fighting now and watch rally :)

Just pointing out someone lives in a cuckooland :D

[EstWRC]

Amazing middle part from Thierry where it’s more dirty

[EstWRC]

11 drivers between 6.6 seconds after 14km!

[cali]

Croatia? You need some "remember pills" this morning.

What about Croatia? I was speaking about recent times, not some times ago or smth else - you really are master of demagogue.
All I'm saying is it's weird that it's most of the time happening to one driver and this could be an excuse from this driver (I don't exclude that possibility).
Comparing punctures and hybrid problems is complete bonkers. Shows me this guy is out of ideas and normal answers.

Wales 2003? :D

[meh]

Nice coverage of the RC2 field.

[wwbroe]

Strong stagetime for Elfynn on this one

[EstWRC]

Again amazing second split from Thierry where it’s more dirty

[cali]

Strong stagetime for Elfynn on this one

Thierry even better and Kalle coming really strong :)

[cali]

Ogier now the fastest on splits

[wwbroe]

Really amazing splis by Ogier

[wwbroe]

It will be very difficult to take victory away from Ogier

[wwbroe]

What happend with Huttunen?

[wwbroe]

Also problem for Sarazin?

[meh]

Lindholm now on P4, hard to climb more with pure speed without going completely grazy or others having problems. Good step on title direction.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/73368-rallyracc-catalunya-costa-daurada-2022/?s=370571&ct=1018

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ah no Gus off.

[EstWRC]

Thanks Gus. Ruined the television stage once again

[meh]

Nice times from Loubet and Taka at the end of day.

Everyone still driving, no one crashed or retired. Even M-Sporters are still all on the road. Hyundais still moving... kind of.

Back to normal. Gus crashed, stage red flagged.

[cali]

one of the nicest stages of the rally...stopped...thanks Gus :D

[er88]

Fucking hope Msport can just put Gus in a 4th car next year. He pays for everything anyway

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hope they clear it and let the rest run the stage.

[SubaruNorway]

Brakes gone soft it sounded like

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hope they clear it and let the rest run the stage.

Nope, just driving through in road mode. :(

[meh]

Hope they clear it and let the rest run the stage.

But they don't.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo's car showing the dirt he doesnt like on tarmac...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfqRU1UWQAADwq-?format=jpg&name=large

[meh]

Moncet - we don't give up waiting something happen to our competitors.

[Humber]

Fucking hope Msport can just put Gus in a 4th car next year. He pays for everything anyway

A detuned Rally2 Car?

[Danny0405]

Interesting fight between Cerny and Joona for WRC3 Open title (0.5s gap so far)... even if Cerny seems a bit ahead with no issue.

And for the moment, good rallye by Suninen.
Good fight between Gryazin and Rossel (0.4s) gap
And for the moment, Lindholm has made a clever ascent after his issues in SS2

[eib1]

https://i.ibb.co/9sGsPTL/Untitled2.jpg

[Jarek Z]

Greensmith's crash on video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB-cJQkSluk

[meh]

Sordo probably read this forum during lunch and now found the speed again.

[dimviii]

is this legal? (for some reason cant copy paste this photo to this forum.)

http://forum-rallye.com/index.php?/topic/5884-rallyracc-espagne-2022-2023-octobre-wrc/page-12

[EstWRC]

Ogier is on amazing level this weekend

The others come and the splits are 0. something and then Ogier comes and just second faster which is a lot on this fast rally

[meh]

Ogier is not winning by huge amounts, but he seems untouchable at the moment.

Hard to compare with Hyundai guys, Rovanperä is not known to like smooth tarmac as well. Maybe the most surprising is how much Evans is losing.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What a demonstration of fast smooth tarmac driving by Ogier. Sheer class.

[meh]

Extra jobs in circuit racing job pays dividends now.

[EstWRC]

I just can’t take Reetas reading seriously, pure comedy

[seb_sh]

I just can’t take Reetas reading seriously, pure comedy

I can't believe she can keep it up all day. Must be hard in the voice. Reminds me of Sharapova a bit.

[meh]

I can't believe she can keep it up all day. Must be hard in the voice. Reminds me of Sharapova a bit.

Sharapova maybe just repeated her high-frequency scream, but Reeta can go so "up and down" with her voice, it's quite amazing. Maybe based on her voice level you can hear 3D information of the road ahead :)

It is weird to listen, can not listen it without laughing etc - but at the same time, my pure respect on them - they do it because it works for them and they don't give a sh*t what others are thinking about that.

Additionally - if to expect this kind of voice-play, then maybe from someone from hot-temperament country, but not from Finn.

Keep singing, Reeta!

[SubaruNorway]

is this legal? (for some reason cant copy paste this photo to this forum.)

http://forum-rallye.com/index.php?/topic/5884-rallyracc-espagne-2022-2023-octobre-wrc/page-12

Would be legal in F1, so of course it's legal in WRC
(at the point of the picture)

The sound quality on WRC onboards makes Reeta's reading terrible to listen to, there's a better clip on her instagram, sounds like she's telling a story!

[Rallyper]

I think this is a very boring rally. At least sitting at home watching it... :(

[EstWRC]

Neuville and Tänak sounding exactly the same, both struggling with the setup but not bad times considering it

Ogier again on different level

[cali]

Ogier has been amazing

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[Eli]

Watching Ogier right now is like watching an artist producing a masterpiece.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

"Dirt Rally 2.0"...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfrOTV-WQAEOYwJ?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

I think this is a very boring rally. At least sitting at home watching it... :(

i have to say i wont miss it, more excited for that Central European Rally next year instead of it

it used to be more fun when it was mixed surface, i miss that side

[meh]

I think this is a very boring rally. At least sitting at home watching it... :(

Need to agree. There have not been any position change today in top9, it all this top9 was already in place before last stage yesterday. But.. long stage is coming now.. used tires..

[djip]

I think this is a very boring rally. At least sitting at home watching it... :(

This is always a very boring rally, with not much happening and very small gaps. I don't know if it is because of the nature of theroads (circuit racing) or because it is the same special stages year after year that everyone knows by heart, but there is clearly someting missing. I think the DNA of this event was its mixed surface character. Now that they removed that aspect, it is rathher dull.

[meh]

... at the same time need to admit that watching onboard live streaming sometimes making you asking questions from yourself about physics. Quite intence.

[cali]

i have to say i wont miss it, more excited for that Central European Rally next year instead of it

it used to be more fun when it was mixed surface, i miss that sideIt's maybe not so fun behind TV but it's my favourite to spectate, absolutely wonderful rally.

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[EstWRC]

It's maybe not so fun behind TV but it's my favourite to spectate, absolutely wonderful rally.

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With this I agree having been there in 2017

But it has had his time IMO.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Anyone bored then watch the fan cam action from yesterday with all the cuts and dirty roads...

https://youtu.be/q5abDeABmmM

[meh]

Tänak 3.1 lost to Sordo in split 1, 5.2sec lost in split 2.

Who want to put money on "no hybrid"?

[EstWRC]

Tänak 3.1 lost to Sordo in split 1, 5.2sec lost in split 2.

Who want to put money on "no hybrid"?

Neuville also not fast

[TypeR]

Tänak 3.1 lost to Sordo in split 1, 5.2sec lost in split 2.

Who want to put money on "no hybrid"?
It wouldn't be a drama..
Less than minute to first place :)

[EstWRC]

Kalle slowest in first split apart Serderidis

[seb_sh]

Sordo's fast now. This is also not unusual for him, to find speed in the middle of the rally.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great run by Sordo... he likes a clean road.

[EstWRC]

Tanaks brakes on fire

[TypeR]

Wtf is this stage and times..

[wwbroe]

Great stage by Sordo

[Tanelv]

Tänak's brakes after SS14

[wwbroe]

Neuville coming very close to Rovanpera

[wwbroe]

Rovanpera with some "issue" at the start

[EstWRC]

Did Sordo took A shortcut or what

And he isn’t known for managing the tires

Ok Tänak had brakes gone and kalle had some problems but still

[TypeR]

Tänak's brakes after SS14

Maybe it's the hay?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo likes this stage and it was clean as not run much this morning. ... plus he told his friends he would do them a scratch time.

[meh]

Sordo just proved that he wants, he can drive. But mostly cruising in safe mode.

... but based on his comments on (previous) stage end, engineers analyzed some data from the morning loop and made some "magic setup changes" for his liking.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You have to remember this is Sordo's first tarmac rally in the hybrid car.

[EstWRC]

Maybe it's the hay?

Seems so yeah

Still interested why this huge time loss from him also

[SubaruNorway]

Tänak's brakes after SS14

Just hay from a big cut or something

[dimviii]

Would be legal in F1, so of course it's legal in WRC
(at the point of the picture)

The sound quality on WRC onboards makes Reeta's reading terrible to listen to, there's a better clip on her instagram, sounds like she's telling a story!

link?

[satnav]

I think this is a very boring rally. At least sitting at home watching it... :(

Per you of all people should know, it's always 100 times better being there and seeing it live, also fan cams are usually much better than the WRC stuff and the stupid comments at times

[Rallyper]

Per you of all people should know, it's always 100 times better being there and seeing it live, also fan cams are usually much better than the WRC stuff and the stupid comments at times

Yes, Chris. I know. But can´t be there. From my point of view it still is boring. Unfortunately.
Are you on sight?

[TypeR]

Yet again, WRC+ masteclass.. fkin city stage and cannnot show it..

[EstWRC]

How weren’t the commmentators ready and we have only one camera?

[SubaruNorway]

link?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CjnTSFpjJnq/

[wwbroe]

What kind of a coverage is this?:mad:

[eib1]

what a great coverage!

[EstWRC]

This is pure amateur hour

[TypeR]

Waiting for one user's WRC+ defence speech :)

[seb_sh]

Looks like splitting their attention to cover the ERC power stage was too much for them.

[Myrvold]

It was like this last year as well on this stage, no? Just like all cars were shown on the opening super special stage in Greece, both in 21 and 22.

[rp]

Better to show only the interviews, when not able to cover more of the Salou stage.

[TypeR]

Random interviews with drivers during short SSS are totally okay :D :D

[Eli]

An absolute joke, each year their coverage seems to just get worse, yes I know they also had an ERC event going on but if you don't have the means to give the coverage don't bother, like rp above me said, better to just show the interviews.

[wwbroe]

Identical times for Tanak and Neuville

[wwbroe]

Neuville taking second from Rovanpera

[EstWRC]

Joint stage win for Neuville and Tänak, the only rally Tänak hasn’t had a stage win is monte this year

Tänak said he had pretty decent off on El Montmell and said he is lucky to be here after that

[EstWRC]

Watched the onboard of Tänaks moment. Nothing too special. Runs wide on the field, lucky that there wasn’t anything

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221022/e68fbfeacbc8af9b8830887ead2a21cc.jpg

[satnav]

Yes, Chris. I know. But can´t be there. From my point of view it still is boring. Unfortunately.
Are you on sight?

No , i'm like you watching from afar and i know what you mean, i came back in today to watch the Salou stage, that was a mistake the coverage there was crap

[EstWRC]

https://youtu.be/aKrOSE6bqYA
https://youtu.be/FytxZ3rkVCw

https://youtu.be/biUc7sbs-Ls


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[EstWRC]

Leg 2 https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/73368-rallyracc-catalunya-costa-daurada-2022/?leg=2

[AnttiL]

Kalle said he lost time in SS14 because he had the wrong hybrid mapping at the start and while changing it, it got turned off completely. And then he had to turn the knobs while driving and also overcooked the brakes (because of less regen than should have been?)

[dimviii]

Cachon crash
https://twitter.com/AutoCanario/status/1583740976085942272

[Managarium]

Kalle said he lost time in SS14 because he had the wrong hybrid mapping at the start and while changing it, it got turned off completely. And then he had to turn the knobs while driving and also overcooked the brakes (because of less regen than should have been?)

Did he changed the settings of hybrid during the stage? Isn't that forbidden?

[dimviii]

https://www.rallysupport.com/wrc-video/wrc-rallyracc-catalunya-spain-2022-day-2

[Eli]

Good to see these stages in the dark wish we had more of the, especially in tarmac rallies where you don’t have dust issues, only shame there are no stage side cameras, but guessing that’s too much to expect from these amateurs at this point.

[AnttiL]

Did he changed the settings of hybrid during the stage? Isn't that forbidden?

I have to check that interview again and maybe the onboard as well.

In other terms, I love this stage, perfect rhythm for a tarmac stage.

Fourmaux just posted a great time

[AnttiL]

Nice to see Breen finding more pace, stage time up there with the top guys

[EstWRC]

Kalle not caching Neuville

And seems he isn’t going for it either with full attack

[meh]

Kalle not caching Neuville

And seems he isn’t going for it either with full attack

That would be surprising, if there are no clear team orders (khm, suggestions).

[EstWRC]

Fantastic shots from Gus from the helicopter

[EstWRC]

Tänaks field visit on ss14 yesterday https://twitter.com/rannopoklonski/status/1584064188892467200?s=46&t=B2Uim2ieX-irSauSDSn7rA

[cali]

Tänaks field visit on ss14 yesterday https://twitter.com/rannopoklonski/status/1584064188892467200?s=46&t=B2Uim2ieX-irSauSDSn7rAImo the best place in this rally where to go off

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[meh]

Fourmoux touched barrier, Breen limping with puncture.

edit: Breen was off and got damage+puncture. (Breen said that something broke before he went off and he was just a passanger)

[meh]

and also Evans with front-left puncture.

[meh]

Sordo was so happy about the car that he may decide to do full next season from that emotion

[EstWRC]

Thierry on a big push

[EstWRC]

Thierry maybe let also others develop the car to finally loose the sentence “ I had so much under steer” :D

[meh]

.., and Rovanperä with front-left puncture.

[mknight]

Sordo was so happy about the car that he may decide to do full next season from that emotion

You really should look up Sordos pace on rallies like Sweden, Finland/Estonia or wet gravel (GB) before mentioning something like that.

[meh]

You really should look up Sordos pace on rallies like Sweden, Finland/Estonia or wet gravel (GB) before mentioning something like that.

Thank you for your proposal, but I can mention whatever I want to mention :)

I know he picks rallies he likes, I know he is not good everywhere (and he is not unique on that). Last rally he clearly stated - till he can fight for best times, he is motivated, this is something to give him fuel. So, emotion matters.

[EstWRC]

The most interesting or funny thing for me is that Sordo is the most happy with the car out of the drivers. At least since yesterday lunch time

[cali]

You really should look up Sordos pace on rallies like Sweden, Finland/Estonia or wet gravel (GB) before mentioning something like that.By large margin these rallies are also Neuville's weakest. He was minutes off pace in Estonia and Finland. All four of them are high speed rallies. Should Neuville do half a season next year based on that logic?

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[mknight]

Thank you for your proposal, but I can mention whatever I want to mention :)

I know he picks rallies he likes, I know he is not good everywhere (and he is not unique on that). Last rally he clearly stated - till he can fight for best times, he is motivated, this is something to give him fuel. So, emotion matters.

Nope. The team picks rallies where they run him.

Since 2017 he did not stop doing full seasons cause he didn't want, but because the team dropped him due to too bad pace on those rallies.

I find this discussion amazing tbh. Just a day ago there was big discussion on how his pace dropped in Rally1 on all rallies and especially in mixed conditions.

Now he does a few top times while fighting for 5th! on his home rally on dry tarmac and suddenly he should do full season....

[EstWRC]

I really like this powerstage

Really nice and flowing and fast. And looked magical today in the morning with orange sunrise

[mknight]

By large margin these rallies are also Neuville's weakest. He was minutes off pace in Estonia and Finland. All four of them are high speed rallies. Should Neuville do half a season next year based on that logic?

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Nope, Neuville has won Sweden before as well as many podiums on wet gravel. You picked 1 out of 3 rally types listed.

The fact that Neuville can fight for championship even while being weak on that one rally type might have a bit to say as well.

But I get you were looking for quick troll response...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another disappointing rally for Gus but it cant be easy driving on your limit but knowing you're off the best pace and not able to fight for anything.

[meh]

Now he does a few top times while fighting for 5th! on his home rally on dry tarmac and suddenly he should do full season....

Before mentioning something like that I really recommend to read what I wrote - I help you out: "Sordo was so happy about the car that he may decide to do full next season from that emotion"

Sordo had so nice feeling in the car he may want to do full season or decide to continue. This question is to decide for him.

Nothing about my recommendation, nothing about team decision - just pointing out how satisfied he was at the stage end.

In short - stop this demagogic BS.

[EstWRC]

Thank you Paul Nagle, great character !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Farewell Paul Nagle. A top co-driver and a very brave man to sit with Kris Meeke in a WRC car.

[meh]

Thank you Paul Nagle, great character !

Jesus christ, Paul! Thank you :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans sounds a bit more positive at the end but it's been a poor rally from him again.

[AnttiL]

I think Toyota confirms manu title already when Kalle gets to the finish. Even if Ogier would crash, it would be enough.

[AnttiL]

Nope, Neuville has won Sweden before as well as many podiums on wet gravel. You picked 1 out of 3 rally types listed.

The fact that Neuville can fight for championship even while being weak on that one rally type might have a bit to say as well.

But I get you were looking for quick troll response...

Also remember how Neuville won Rally Poland 2017 when Sordo was struggling to get a top 5 stage time.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sordo says this maybe his last rally.

[meh]

Sordo says this maybe his last rally.

Last rally In Spain, no? He will do Japan I think.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Last rally In Spain, no? He will do Japan I think.

Yep.

[EstWRC]

I would have expected this performance from Tänak on Ypres not here

Disappointed like he said himself

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak blames himself for not being able to get the best from the car.

Maybe this is a way to keep well in with the team going forward and not criticising the car any more. A sign he is staying at Hyundai ?

[meh]

PS is like... Oh, what a time from Sordo. And then you repeat that impression with every next one.. Tänak, Rovanperä, Neuville and the final master, Ogier (at the moment based on first 2 splits).

[Eli]

Last rally In Spain, no? He will do Japan I think.

He will but Rally Spain won’t be on the calendar next year and no one knows when & if it will return.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Solid rally by Neuville and mainly happy with the car from the start for a change.

[EstWRC]

Congrats Ogier! Masterful drive this weeken and somehow I have a feeling he will be back full time

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Congrats Toyota - World Rally Champions ! :champion:

[Eli]

Damn ,the one time I didn’t put him 1st in the pickems and he wins, huge congrats to him & Benjamin, was an absolute pleasure to watch throughout the weekend.

[EstWRC]

not surpised with the result. i put pickems differently but kinda felt Ogier will take it and also Neuville will do good, i have said in the past that i consider them 2 of the best tarmac drivers in the series

Kalle and Ott kinda dissappointing this weekend but every driver has these kind of rallies now and then.

Msport, well, their most cheapest rally considering repair costs? But no performance at all. Kudos to Fourmaux to finish the rally this time after sitting out two rallies. Gus has to go, he is horrible.

Bring on Japan.

[meh]

* Only Rally1 cars in top 10 and no one in Top needed super-rally for that.
* Only (known) impactful moments for M-Sporters.
* Tänak and Evans were a bit lost for finding setup, no other surprises. Maybe only that Ogier was that (dominantly) good.
* Rally was already settled after SS7, after that few position changes happened only for punctures.

[cali]

Also remember how Neuville won Rally Poland 2017 when Sordo was struggling to get a top 5 stage time.Yes, 5 years ago... He was great in Sweden 2017 as well until he binned it. Recently not so good at fast rallies like Sweden, Estonia and Finland. Unfortunately we don't have Wales anymore in the calendar so that thing really doesn't hold any water.

Sordo has been 4th in Sweden and Finland around 2008-2009 and so on as well :D

On a serious note Sordo's major strength is his consistency which is very good value for a 3rd driver. To say that he is not good enough for a full season is a major statement and for me he has far better value than Meeke, Mikkelsen etc.

If HMSG and Dani decide to go with a full season for 2023 it would be the best solution IMHO.

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[meh]

RC2 field: https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/73368-rallyracc-catalunya-costa-daurada-2022/?s=370580&ct=1018
* Suninen stable and clear winner
* Lindholm made really strong PS, 2 extra points against Kaijto (actually surprised that Kaijto made that good time in PS as well)

Will be interesting in Japan.

[Eli]

not surpised with the result. i put pickems differently but kinda felt Ogier will take it and also Neuville will do good, i have said in the past that i consider them 2 of the best tarmac drivers in the series

Kalle and Ott kinda dissappointing this weekend but every driver has these kind of rallies now and then.

Msport, well, their most cheapest rally considering repair costs? But no performance at all. Kudos to Fourmaux to finish the rally this time after sitting out two rallies. Gus has to go, he is horrible.

Bring on Japan.

I picked him 1st for every start he’s had, the one time I didn’t, I got it wrong.
Horrid weekend for M-Sport but like you said, at least the repair bill this time was relatively low.
Kudos for Toyota for taking the title even if it was a walk in the park.

[AnttiL]

Yes, 5 years ago... He was great in Sweden 2017 as well until he binned it. Recently not so good at fast rallies like Sweden, Estonia and Finland. Unfortunately we don't have Wales anymore in the calendar so that thing really doesn't hold any water.

Sordo has been 4th in Sweden and Finland around 2008-2009 and so on as well :D

On a serious note Sordo's major strength is his consistency which is very good value for a 3rd driver. To say that he is not good enough for a full season is a major statement and for me he has far better value than Meeke, Mikkelsen etc.

If HMSG and Dani decide to go with a full season for 2023 it would be the best solution IMHO.

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I would use Dani for most of the season, but use someone like Suninen for Sweden, Finland etc. Sordo also benefits from having a good start position on the technical gravel rallies. But yeah, he is consistent, and rarely makes driving mistakes.

[cali]

I would use Dani for most of the season, but use someone like Suninen for Sweden, Finland etc. Sordo also benefits from having a good start position on the technical gravel rallies. But yeah, he is consistent, and rarely makes driving mistakes.Yes, that's a really good plan

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[Devillersvideo]

My video of this fast and big cuts rally :D
Greensmith make already a similar mistake friday but there was only ditch and not barrier.

http://youtu.be/fCx9O5LSxjU

[Eli]

My video of this fast and big cuts rally :D
Greensmith make already a similar mistake friday but there was only ditch and not barrier.

http://youtu.be/fCx9O5LSxjU

Really nice video thanks for uploading it! an absolute joy to watch them in the dark, wish we had more of that.

[TypeR]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/sordo-gets-spain-penalty-for-illegal-hybrid-boost/

SORDO GETS SPAIN PENALTY FOR ILLEGAL HYBRID BOOST

bbbuut Moncet said everything is OK from their side..

and Ogier's donuts before driving to final podium, cost 1500 euros :)

[Eli]

Always interesting to read at the end of the rally: https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-rallyracc-catalunya-post-event-press-conference

[manthey]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/sordo-gets-spain-penalty-for-illegal-hybrid-boost/

and Ogier's donuts before driving to final podium, cost 1500 euros :)

Is there the video about?

[Essaj]

Is there the video about?

https://twitter.com/SebOgier/status/1584187576109318144/video/1

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak blames himself for not being able to get the best from the car.

Maybe this is a way to keep well in with the team going forward and not criticising the car any more. A sign he is staying at Hyundai ?

Obviously not ! :D

[Eli]

The one we've all been waiting for: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/colin-clarks-2022-rally-spain-driver-ratings/

On a more serious note though, I do hope we'll have more insight into 2023 in the coming days.

[seb_sh]

The one we've all been waiting for: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/colin-clarks-2022-rally-spain-driver-ratings/

On a more serious note though, I do hope we'll have more insight into 2023 in the coming days.

Actually decent this time. I suppose he forgot his Tarot cards at home hehe

[cali]

Actually decent this time. I suppose he forgot his Tarot cards at home hehe

This is his best ratings imho. I guess he stopped looking for a sensation.

[Tom K]

Nikolay Gryazin (Rally Hungary 2021) heavy breathing :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WERLsRZYuPE

[denkimi]

Nikolay Gryazin (Rally Hungary 2021) heavy breathing :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WERLsRZYuPE

looking at those images, lindholm should be penalized for not stopping and helping like Kajetanowicz did.

[wyler]

why? consider the context and the fact we don't know about the in car messages. it's just happened, there's the co-driver closing the door and signaling him to go over. no smoke, no sos sign, no hand signals to stop for help from codriver, marshals or other people. maybe they did not assess correctly the situation at first, but the signal is clear to go. then when kaito and other arrives, probably the ss is already neutralized by in car com, and some help is requested on spot, but you can see people telling him to go,not to stop...so not knowing on the spot.

[Tom K]

53.3.2 Any crew which has the red “SOS” sign displayed to them, or
which sees a car which has suffered an accident and the OK
sign is not shown, shall immediately and without exception
stop to render assistance.

Because this point probably only refers to situation when car is on fire, in lake etc.

53.3.4 Should it not be possible, or for whatever reason, to display
the OK/SOS board in any of the above situations, this may
be replaced by an evident and clearly understandable sign
language shown by the crew outside of the car:
- an arm and thumb up to indicate "OK"
- crossed arms above the head to indicate "SOS".

But if you would like to apply this, it means Gryazin got 15 minutes because Herczig was waving, without thumb up...

[Co-driven]

looking at those images, lindholm should be penalized for not stopping and helping like Kajetanowicz did.

Lindholm could clearly see Sarrazin out of the car and he never made any sign showing that there might be a real problem with the codriver still inside the car. Also Kajto stopped because he wanted to, as Sarrazin was also there before his car showing he was ok.

[J-Records]

https://youtu.be/r4Bu8HUzO6c

Our probably fastest video from Rally Catalunya 2022 😊

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ff7LGRXXkAEr9sY?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://www-dirtfish.imgix.net/2022/10/03_Katsuta12ESP22cm434.jpg?fit=scale&fm=pjpg&h=760&ixlib=php-1.2.1&q=70&w=1142&wpsize=gallery-carousel

[PLuto]

But if you would like to apply this, it means Gryazin got 15 minutes because Herczig was waving, without thumb up...

Gryazin got 15 minutes mainly because stewards wanted to show their big importancy, nothing else...

[PLuto]

looking at those images, lindholm should be penalized for not stopping and helping like Kajetanowicz did.

Finally I have seen the whole video. For me the biggest mistake is on side of Sarrazin (not only for crashing), but mainly not showing what exactly he really wants. For both Emil and Kajto he is showing them slow down or stop, but never shown anything else (everything is ok, you can go or we need help etc), only closing door for Lindholm to allow him to pass the car. So, for me, there is no clear sign that everything is ok, so Lindholm should stop on the scene and properly check the situation. Like Kajto really did.

And for me, this is much worse situation that Gryazin/Herczig in Hungary (but like I wrote in the past, solution of that situation and penalty was a big bad joke from stewards).

[ouvreur]

only closing door for Lindholm to allow him to pass the car
That's the main thing for me... what better sign could you get that the driver does not need you to stop, than doing his best to clear the way for you to drive through?

[denkimi]

That's the main thing for me... what better sign could you get that the driver does not need you to stop, than doing his best to clear the way for you to drive through?
Although i agree that clearing the way seems to indicate that everything is ok, that is not what the rules say.

Lindholm should have stopped to check, but sarrazin should have made that more clear.

[PLuto]

That's the main thing for me... what better sign could you get that the driver does not need you to stop, than doing his best to clear the way for you to drive through?

Closing door is for sure not the clear sign that everything is ok. Not only according to regulations, but it can also means to allow the driver to car the park later as it can stand on dangerous place.

[wyler]

Closing door is for sure not the clear sign that everything is ok. Not only according to regulations, but it can also means to allow the driver to car the park later as it can stand on dangerous place.

sorry but if i 'd need help i'd never let a car pass past me...
no danger in leaving it there. there was plenty of people to stop other cars.

[Tom K]

Did you:

a) read the rules?
b) hear anything about the post-accident shock? Lindholm was at the scene about 63 seconds (Sarrazin was about 3 s faster on the previous sector) after the crash. Sarrazin needed some time to get out of the car, and go to the co-driver side. So we can assume he had about 40 seconds to evaluate the situation.

Both Sarrazin and Lindholm did not follow the rules. And even if 20 spectators are telling you to go, you cannot when OK/SOS is not shown. As simply as that.

The best part of it is, that Toksport went to Stewards to get back time and they got it.

[WRCStan]

53.3.2 Any crew which sees a car which has suffered an accident and the OK
sign is not shown, shall immediately and without exception
stop to render assistance.

OK, but,

53.3.4 Should it not be possible, or for whatever reason, to display
the OK/SOS board in any of the above situations, this may
be replaced by an evident and clearly understandable sign
language shown by the crew outside of the car:
- an arm and thumb up to indicate "OK"
- crossed arms above the head to indicate "SOS".

Something about the wording means that an unconscious crew may be the reason why the board isn't showing and that's also why they weren't evidently and clearly showing the arms SOS sign language, and the following car can not be punished as breaking rules for not stopping.

Lindholm can demonstrate that Sarrazin was using sign language 'for whatever reason', and, evidently did not have crossed arms above his head but his arm was up... it's only then about the positioning of a thumb. Hard to blame Lindholm when Sarrazin was flapping his hand about.

Besides, if an OK display is not as good as the A3 board, what's the point in having it? https://youtu.be/iDWseIQE42U?t=371
Yellow puts the thumb argument back.
Red, we would have known.

Any Finn's have onboard access? Reeta says .... ohhhhh ohhh STOP STOP, ...., Emil says something, then she says ey OK, GO!

[Essaj]

Any Finn's have onboard access? Reeta says .... ohhhhh ohhh STOP STOP, ...., Emil says something, then she says ey OK, GO!

Emil asks "Should we just stop?" and Reeta just says "No keep at it"

[dupanton]

It's all very easy afterwards. I speak from experience, it all goes so quickly, you have 1 or 2 seconds to judge the situation and make a decision. I've (we've, you are 2 in the car) made the wrong decision before as well.
If you stop there can always be some discussion about the notional time you get, so the first reflex is always to try to continue.

[CWJ]

This was a very hight risk for Lindholm and there is only one solution. If you dont see a thumb up or "OK" sign, just stop! Every experienced codriver should make that clear in a situation like that.

Its nearly professional racing, so they should decide a strategy for that in advance: if you stop, Kajto need to stop as well... no disadvantage possible.

[WRCStan]

If you dont see a thumb up or "OK" sign, just stop! Every experienced codriver should make that clear in a situation like that.

Its nearly professional racing, so they should decide a strategy for that in advance: if you stop, Kajto need to stop as well... no disadvantage possible.

Pretty sure they did. Reeta definitely had her reason to flip from STOP, STOP to GO in the space of seconds. See the face camera onboard and she is holding a stop hand up, then thumbs up question gesture and eye contact to Sarrazin whilst he is shutting his door and maybe using his right arm to usher them on. Seems professional and planned enough even if a gesture was misinterpreted as OK.

If you expect them to stop, get out the car and remind Sarrazin of his duty to put up a thumb, take a photo of him posing just in case, and he doesn't need them, well Kajto has already arrived and the stage will just stop anyway. Maybe the beauty of what goes is that unless there is clear SOS sign, another car will be along in 60 seconds anyway if it's then determined SOS.