2022 - Race 15 Netherland

[F1nKS]

Max is dominant
Ferrari can't get out of the way of themselves
Hamilton struggles when driving in a crowd

Only thing left for this season seems to be the mid-field battles.

[truefan72]

I dare say alpha tauri sabotaged their race to help verstappen. This is stupid.
Mercedes screwing hamilton yet again with poor strategy. 2022 problems continue. Smh


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[The Black Knight]

I dare say alpha tauri sabotaged their race to help verstappen. This is stupid.
Mercedes screeing hamilyon yet again. 2022 problems continue. Smh


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I tend to agree with this. Both RBR and Alpha
Tauri were clearly colluding. This to me is more clear cut than Singapore. Both teams should be excluded from the championship. They made a complete mockery of the sport today. It won't happen though because the leadership and stewardship will of F1 is a joke.

Mercedes f*cked Hamilton in the end not putting him on the super soft tire.

[Zico]

I dare say alpha tauri sabotaged their race to help verstappen. This is stupid.

LOL. If you say so..



Mercedes screeing hamilyon yet again. 2022 problems continue. Smh

Russell just made a wise decision and called it. Lewis didn't.

I get that he is dissapointed that the decision didn't revolve solely round him.. but nor should it when he is not in contention for the WDC.

[Bagwan]

Had it been Lewis behind George , does anybody really think Hamilton would have been happy to be the wing-man , or asking for soft tires , just as his team-mate did ?

On the Alpha Tauri thing , they are being a little shifty in the explanations , but , I think it's more likely they are trying to avoid being fined for not fitting the tires correctly the first time , rather than colluding with the parent team .

[N. Jones]

I don't know what happened with AT. That just looked amateurish. Lewis getting passed by his teammate? Oh well!

[Bagwan]

Sounds like the AT had a half-shaft break , had no drive on one side , which Yuki read as a loose wheel .
He stopped , loosened his belts , and the team told him to return .
With new tires , they sent him out , and then realized he was right about something being wrong .

It's at this point that you can walk down either the sinister or the dexter road .
They told him to exit the pits and immediately pull over .

A Hamilton fan sees that as a free stop for Max , courtesy of AT .
Couple that with the fact there would be not have been an open pit lane for that free stop , had the car stopped before the exit , and you've got the makings of a scandal .

The team's explanation certainly makes sense , with only the exit of the pit area in question because of the radio call .

I guess you can call it collusion if you're Lewis , or you can call it good fortune , or wise choice for if you're young George .

[F1nKS]

Both RBR and Alpha
Tauri were clearly colluding.

You forgot Bottas blowing his engine intentionally to screw lewis and Mercedes - that's where the race changed.

ROFL:D I suppose you also believe in big foot and the loch ness monster.


The only thing clear is that Max doesn't need the help of Alpha Tauri. Yuki is just a guy who constantly does head-scratching things for every race.

[airshifter]

Sounds like the AT had a half-shaft break , had no drive on one side , which Yuki read as a loose wheel .
He stopped , loosened his belts , and the team told him to return .
With new tires , they sent him out , and then realized he was right about something being wrong .

It's at this point that you can walk down either the sinister or the dexter road .
They told him to exit the pits and immediately pull over .

A Hamilton fan sees that as a free stop for Max , courtesy of AT .
Couple that with the fact there would be not have been an open pit lane for that free stop , had the car stopped before the exit , and you've got the makings of a scandal .

The team's explanation certainly makes sense , with only the exit of the pit area in question because of the radio call .

I guess you can call it collusion if you're Lewis , or you can call it good fortune , or wise choice for if you're young George .

And to top it off, Yuki will now get a 10 place grid penalty at Monza due to points. I would venture to guess he would have released the belts, but instead only admitted to loosening them. Either way, not sinister unless you're into conspiracy theories.



You forgot Bottas blowing his engine intentionally to screw lewis and Mercedes - that's where the race changed.

ROFL:D I suppose you also believe in big foot and the loch ness monster.


The only thing clear is that Max doesn't need the help of Alpha Tauri. Yuki is just a guy who constantly does head-scratching things for every race.


You forgot how the flat earth influenced both the AT decision as well as the decision of Bottas. Not to mention that it's apparent the three colluded on the matter, and they should be banished from the earth for the mockery they have made of future conspiracy theories. :D






I dare say alpha tauri sabotaged their race to help verstappen. This is stupid.
Mercedes screeing hamilyon yet again. 2022 problems continue. Smh


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I tend to agree with this. Both RBR and Alpha
Tauri were clearly colluding. This to me is more clear cut than Singapore. Both teams should be excluded from the championship. They made a complete mockery of the sport today. It won't happen though because the leadership and stewardship will of F1 is a joke.

Mercedes f*cked Hamilton in the end not putting him on the super soft tire.

I can only picture children throwing those toys.

RB are 100+ points clear in the WCC and Max 100+ clear in the WDC. Being vast Merc and Lewis lovers still doesn't make nonsense make sense to anyone but yourself. Excluded from the championship because a fanboi said it was true! :laugh: :rolleyes: :arrows: :grenade: Thanks for the laugh and the further displays of bias.







Overall not a terrible race, with enough strategy and safety car periods to keep it interesting and make you wonder how it would turn out.

Max was on fire for sure. In his hands I think he had the race won regardless of and safety car periods. Though the Mercs did well to make the mediums last and good pace on the hards, I don't think they had the pace to keep Max behind them. George was thinking on his feet and pushed to go to the softs, and it paid out for him overall. But I think Lewis was screwed regardless, and was just upset that he lost his tail gunner. At least Lewis had the decency to apologize to the team after the radio drama.

After a good qually, the Ferrari's struggled, but Leclerc managed to stay on the podium when all was said and done. Carlos just seemed to have a crap day all around, and not much more could have gone wrong really. I can only assume that they looked at the yellow flag incident and concluded he was in front by the time he could see the flag. From his onboard it looked htat way. If anything I think they should have maybe looked harder at Ocon, as being in front he should have seen the flag and backed off IMHO. By staying in it longer, he lost the position regardless and it seemed like he stayed in it after it was a sure thing for Carlos to pass unless Carlos backed out. As for the release incident, hard to call, but I think it was all on him really. It seemed like he was just too cautious about not clipping anyone in the McLaren pit even after his front end had cleared them.

Perez had a weekend not much better than Sainz, but at least stayed out of any real drama. KMag got away with a fairly decent hit, not that it did him any good really. He seems to have faded quickly this year. Lando does well again considering the car, and Alpine gets them both in the points once more. Stroll had a decent race to stay in the points and out of trouble.

Six different constructors in the top 10 this race. I hope it stays interesting.

[F1nKS]

Also, it looks like Horner did a Jedi Mind Trick on Hamilton and had him put his PU in the wrong mode at restart so that Max could cruise by with no drama.

[sgr]

I tend to agree with this. Both RBR and Alpha
Tauri were clearly colluding. This to me is more clear cut than Singapore. Both teams should be excluded from the championship. They made a complete mockery of the sport today. It won't happen though because the leadership and stewardship will of F1 is a joke.

Mercedes f*cked Hamilton in the end not putting him on the super soft tire.


Bullpoop

He couldn't even defend before the first turn, after the safety car returned. :rolleyes:

There's no way on this flat earth Sir Entitled would have defended again Max on soft tyres had he remained on hard tyres. If anything, the gap at the end would have been even larger.

Did anyone else expect Toto to squel "No Russell, no Russell no no...." when Russell overtook Hamilton? :p

[truefan72]

Sounds like the AT had a half-shaft break , had no drive on one side , which Yuki read as a loose wheel .
He stopped , loosened his belts , and the team told him to return .
With new tires , they sent him out , and then realized he was right about something being wrong .

It's at this point that you can walk down either the sinister or the dexter road .
They told him to exit the pits and immediately pull over .

A Hamilton fan sees that as a free stop for Max , courtesy of AT .
Couple that with the fact there would be not have been an open pit lane for that free stop , had the car stopped before the exit , and you've got the makings of a scandal .

The team's explanation certainly makes sense , with only the exit of the pit area in question because of the radio call .

I guess you can call it collusion if you're Lewis , or you can call it good fortune , or wise choice for if you're young George .

After the smoked cleared, this seems to be the reasonable explanation for what happened.
It still stinks, but less nefarious than how it seemed to feel in real time.

either way, Hamilton should have switched to softs at the end and either he or bono simply didn't make the right call. Doing so would have meant that he would have finished no less than P2.
But the curse of VSC and SC continues to haunt Hamilton/Mercedes in 2022.

[Bagwan]

After the smoked cleared, this seems to be the reasonable explanation for what happened.
It still stinks, but less nefarious than how it seemed to feel in real time.

either way, Hamilton should have switched to softs at the end and either he or bono simply didn't make the right call. Doing so would have meant that he would have finished no less than P2.
But the curse of VSC and SC continues to haunt Hamilton/Mercedes in 2022.

Thank-you for that .

[The Black Knight]

Bullpoop

He couldn't even defend before the first turn, after the safety car returned. :rolleyes:

There's no way on this flat earth Sir Entitled would have defended again Max on soft tyres had he remained on hard tyres. If anything, the gap at the end would have been even larger.

Did anyone else expect Toto to squel "No Russell, no Russell no no...." when Russell overtook Hamilton? :p

Ah yeah that's right a team that has spent millions in development, have some of the brightest people on the planet working for them, travel around the world rebuilding their car race after race with 100s of censors on the car cannot tell if there is a differential issue. Instead they tell the driver to carry on, then to pit and carry on again like a bunch of amateurs. All this just happens to occur at the perfect time to assist their sister team in winning the race. Apparently you believe in fairytales.

[Bagwan]

Ah yeah that's right a team that has spent millions in development, have some of the brightest people on the planet working for them, travel around the world rebuilding their car race after race with 100s of censors on the car cannot tell if there is a differential issue. Instead they tell the driver to carry on, then to pit and carry on again like a bunch of amateurs. All this just happens to occur at the perfect time to assist their sister team in winning the race. Apparently you believe in fairytales.

Perhaps they were focusing on what Tsunoda was saying , which was that he was certain a wheel was not fitted correctly .
He was that certain he was out , he undid his belts .

Had they wanted to create that safety car that lap , they could have told him to pull over at any time during his slow ride back to the pits , and had him park it in a really dangerous spot , guaranteeing it .

That would have been easier .

But then , maybe they felt they needed the pit stop practice .

[airshifter]

C'mon Bagwan. Everyone knows that RB was up against the wall with barely a 100 point lead in both championships. They weren't going to risk that going down by a couple of points, so they gladly risked exclusion from the entire season to make sure they got the win. Otherwise the Merc and Lewis would easily catch up to them before the season ends. :laugh:



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[sgr]

Ah yeah that's right a team that has spent millions in development, have some of the brightest people on the planet working for them, travel around the world rebuilding their car race after race with 100s of censors on the car cannot tell if there is a differential issue. Instead they tell the driver to carry on, then to pit and carry on again like a bunch of amateurs. All this just happens to occur at the perfect time to assist their sister team in winning the race. Apparently you believe in fairytales.

Yes. RB have designed a car part that had built in AI. This futuristic AI was so advanced, it could anticipate Mercedes strategy, then calculate "a perfect time" when to commit harakiri. Not only this, it used quantum entanglement to influence receptive parts on bottas car to go kaboom at another "perfect time". It also used jedi mind powers to make Russell ask for soft tyres at yet another "perfect time" :rolleyes:

[Zico]

Ah yeah that's right a team that has spent millions in development, have some of the brightest people on the planet working for them, travel around the world rebuilding their car race after race with 100s of censors on the car cannot tell if there is a differential issue. Instead they tell the driver to carry on, then to pit and carry on again like a bunch of amateurs. All this just happens to occur at the perfect time to assist their sister team in winning the race. Apparently you believe in fairytales.

I didn't think it likely at the time... and I think it even less likely now after hearing AT's version of events.

Massive points lead, leading both championships. The risk of expulsion and the shame and damage it would inflict does not outweigh the potential reward... not that I think Lewis could have beaten Max even if it hadn't happened.

Only a complete idiot would consider trying to get away with such a stunt... and I don't think Horner and/or Mateschitz are idiots.

Find the smoking gun then you will have my full attention. I'm very sure you won't find it though.

[gm99]

Ah yeah that's right a team that has spent millions in development, have some of the brightest people on the planet working for them, travel around the world rebuilding their car race after race with 100s of censors on the car cannot tell if there is a differential issue. Instead they tell the driver to carry on, then to pit and carry on again like a bunch of amateurs. All this just happens to occur at the perfect time to assist their sister team in winning the race. Apparently you believe in fairytales.

That would be almost as unrealistic as expecting Ferrari to spend millions on development, have some of the brightest people on the planet working for them, and then forgetting their car actually has four wheels so they need four tires at the pit stop ;)

[truefan72]

Well, to me it seems that there really should be a stronger or a full separation of these sister teams. To be honest Alpha Tauri for the most part simply exists to support RBR. The management is too closely aligned and too many questions of competitive integrity. What happened at the Dutch GP was/is too much of a grey area to ignore, and despite my changed belief that it wasn't nefarious, who really knows what was going on behind the scenes. I appreciate RBR providing another team to give us at least 20 drivers on the grid and not 18. But those last 2 seats are as close to a support team as ever. The FIA should look into a proper separation of the 2 teams to the extend that their relationship should be as light as possible.

[airshifter]

Well, to me it seems that there really should be a stronger or a full separation of these sister teams. To be honest Alpha Tauri for the most part simply exists to support RBR. The management is too closely aligned and too many questions of competitive integrity. What happened at the Dutch GP was/is too much of a grey area to ignore, and despite my changed belief that it wasn't nefarious, who really knows what was going on behind the scenes. I appreciate RBR providing another team to give us at least 20 drivers on the grid and not 18. But those last 2 seats are as close to a support team as ever. The FIA should look into a proper separation of the 2 teams to the extend that their relationship should be as light as possible.

The regs are fairly tight with regards to IP, and we've seen exclusion from the points due to it already. But it requires evidence beyond how the cars look, work, etc.

We've had the Pink Mercedes and now we have the Green Red Bull. I don't think the Williams side pod designed got named a copy of the Merc idea, but there was certainly some familiarity of the small pods before the recent Williams changes, and that happened at the start of testing, when nobody had any chance to simply try to copy a working design.

If you draw the lines in different places for ownership vs engine suppliers and such the whole thing gets fuzzy quickly. It's F1 and teams will try to copy more successful teams, or at least use their concepts as a basis for research.

The same applies to the drivers programs really, as we have seen recently that who supported them on the way to a seat doesn't matter much. Regardless of ownership any driver can be in contract with multiple teams. Though the RB/AT relationship does allow for an easy "swap" between teams due to most contracts, it's really no different than what the other teams can do when a shuffle takes place.