[WRC] 91e Rallye Automobile Monte-Carlo (16-22 January 2023) [Archive] - Page 5

Eli

24th January 2023, 20:19

the behaviour of the fans and marshalls was really shit this year IMO

what the hell was that what dimviii posted and the fans with their naked asses and making love on stage side and putting drivers into danger with the ice making, also i saw many times them standing in idiotic places. the opening ceremony was also a joke with a host who was barely talking english

i know it wont be dropped from the calendar but if it would be for couple of years, i wouldn't miss it to be honest. at least not this bone dry Monte what we had last year and this year

Last year was still better as the crews at least had some snow & ice to contend with, and don't forget we had a battle for the best Seb which made things interesting. Fans apparently forgot what happened in 2017 with Paddon ,it seems they won't learn until there will be big fines for standing in idiotic places. For next year I hope we go back to the 'old' rally bases and bring back a service for Saturday at least. As for the host I think he's been there for the past 20 years or so but the fact it's now on youtube makes it much more apparent. Also, it would be nice to have perhaps some longer stages...I mean 25kms is nice but it would be even nicer to have 30,35 or even 40kms of stages.

becher

24th January 2023, 21:06

Fans throwing snow on stages has been an issue for like 30 years or so, at least.
Make it 50.

J4MIE

24th January 2023, 23:58

unbelievable
https://twitter.com/MundoRallyes/status/1617974570136539137

I know it’s pretty pointless discussing with rally mad ‘enthusiasts’, but what is the problem there?
Crew are ok, stage isn’t blocked, marshals are trying to protect spectators on a narrow blind bend and following cars are hardly slowing down.

WRC1

25th January 2023, 04:38

I know it’s pretty pointless discussing with rally mad ‘enthusiasts’, but what is the problem there?
Crew are ok, stage isn’t blocked, marshals are trying to protect spectators on a narrow blind bend and following cars are hardly slowing down.

what is the Problem??? some may forget that Rallying is a Sport, against the clock...okay, the crew (the driver) did a mistake, but IF the police/marshall let the people come down imidiatly, the crew would have lost ...maybe 30sec, in this case, they lost almost 2min for nothing, put the car back on the wheels was not more dangouros for the spectators when they did it as if they let them do it immediatly.

mknight

25th January 2023, 07:05

So it seems Skoda PR went for "ignoring".

They removed the tweet congratulating on win (which was getting negative responses), with the penalty they can point out result change as main reason. None of Skoda Motorsport tweets now mentioned him at all.

They still didn't do a press release, not sure it will come at all.
All other CZ news just mentioned Cais, sometimes Solberg, with no mention of Gryazin at all.

So for now Skoda Motorsport seems safe. Since other rallies are not so visible and won't be the first start of the car it should be less of a problem in the future. For Sweden they also have more winner candidates.

As I mentioned long before the event, one has to question if it was in their best interest to get into this situation at all. "Sell" one more car early (that there is a long waiting list on) at the risk of severe backlash with all kinds of possible consequences.

djip

25th January 2023, 08:30

i know it wont be dropped from the calendar but if it would be for couple of years, i wouldnt miss it to be honest. at least not this bone dry Monte what we had last year and this year

The irony is the would the organisers have kept Gap as the central point as in the previous years, there would have been plenty of snow this year (not to mention going further north to Valence) ... If the rally becomes "Rallye de Nice" with only a short loop in the back mountains from Monaco, it is losing all of its uniquness and it is guaranteed no snow forever. There is a reason why all the rich people gather in Monaco : The weather is nice all winter long !

J4MIE

25th January 2023, 08:55

what is the Problem??? some may forget that Rallying is a Sport, against the clock...okay, the crew (the driver) did a mistake, but IF the police/marshall let the people come down imidiatly, the crew would have lost ...maybe 30sec, in this case, they lost almost 2min for nothing, put the car back on the wheels was not more dangouros for the spectators when they did it as if they let them do it immediatly.

You conveniently forget that all of those spectators are at risk when they are jumping all over the road. What if one of them is killed - does their family sue the crew for encouraging them to put themselves in danger?
As for the bloke on the wrong side of the car pulling, he’s a particular idiot.
Just leave the car there where it is and there’s no issue.

PLuto

25th January 2023, 11:03

You know what it means to be fastest, don´t you?

Yes, I know what it means to be fastest. And do you know what it means to be part of WRC2?

EstWRC

25th January 2023, 11:38

Zeroundersteer vid https://youtu.be/Misp0ytzB9c

Watch at 4:10 and from 13:00 onwards. Kindergarten

bomber21

25th January 2023, 11:50

Drunk people do silly things (especially those who put that penguin thing in the middle of the road).

AnttiL

25th January 2023, 12:05

Zeroundersteer vid https://youtu.be/Misp0ytzB9c

Watch at 4:10 and from 13:00 onwards. Kindergarten

horrible to watch, especially 4:10.

dimviii

25th January 2023, 12:42

EstWRC

25th January 2023, 12:53

Meh https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/wrc-no-plans-to-alter-monte-carlo-rally-route-after-lack-of-snow/10424395/

TypeR

25th January 2023, 13:07

Meh https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/wrc-no-plans-to-alter-monte-carlo-rally-route-after-lack-of-snow/10424395/
I think short answer may be money..

Sad tho..

bwallace

25th January 2023, 13:17

Zeroundersteer vid https://youtu.be/Misp0ytzB9c

Watch at 4:10 and from 13:00 onwards. Kindergarten

How lucky that girl is...

Rallyper

25th January 2023, 13:31

Yes, I know what it means to be fastest. And do you know what it means to be part of WRC2?

Oliver was still fastest. Sorry.

AnttiL

25th January 2023, 13:45

Oliver was still fastest. Sorry.

Oliver's performance was impressive throughout the rally but at the same time he had nothing to lose, he could just throw caution to the wind. Let's see how it goes when he's driving for points and leading the rally :)

ouvreur

25th January 2023, 14:02

Oliver was still fastest. Sorry.

Fastest in RC2... not WRC2... it's pedantic I know, but Oliver was not participating in WRC2.

Rallyper

25th January 2023, 14:28

Oliver's performance was impressive throughout the rally but at the same time he had nothing to lose, he could just throw caution to the wind. Let's see how it goes when he's driving for points and leading the rally :)

Doesn´t take away what he did in RMC.
You "mockers" always find excuses... ;)

SubaruNorway

25th January 2023, 15:17

I know it’s pretty pointless discussing with rally mad ‘enthusiasts’, but what is the problem there?
Crew are ok, stage isn’t blocked, marshals are trying to protect spectators on a narrow blind bend and following cars are hardly slowing down.

It's coming out of a slow hairpin, it's not really a dangerous spot, the dangerous thing are the marshals or what they are just pointlessly running around doing a half assed job of slowing cars down. It's the same as the Greensmith situation in Kenya.

bwallace

25th January 2023, 16:51

So it's official monte coming back to gap region ? (https://www.ville-gap.fr/le-rallye-monte-carlo-wrc-de-retour-gap-en-2024)

Eli

25th January 2023, 18:13

So it's official monte coming back to gap region ? (https://www.ville-gap.fr/le-rallye-monte-carlo-wrc-de-retour-gap-en-2024)

Not according to Simon Larkin, at least not for 2024...sometimes their decision making process is beyond me: https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/wrc-no-plans-to-alter-monte-carlo-rally-route-after-lack-of-snow/10424403/

Edit: Sorry for double posting, didn't see the other article from motorsport.com outlet until after the post.

dimviii

25th January 2023, 18:24

It's coming out of a slow hairpin, it's not really a dangerous spot, the dangerous thing are the marshals or what they are just pointlessly running around doing a half assed job of slowing cars down. It's the same as the Greensmith situation in Kenya.

driver of 208 at French forum

We stayed in the car until the spectators came to put us back on the wheels, but as already said the gendarmes were against the idea. Result the car remained too long on the roof (while we cut it in 3s), and the engine was blocked so abandonment, thank you cops...

http://forum-rallye.com/index.php?/topic/5928-rallye-monte-carlo-2023-1922-janvier-wrc/page-102

Co-driven

25th January 2023, 20:20

Oliver was still fastest. Sorry.

Has Oliver got the Power Stage win points?

Rallyper

26th January 2023, 07:33

Has Oliver got the Power Stage win points?

Should he?

AnttiL

26th January 2023, 08:24

Doesn´t take away what he did in RMC.
You "mockers" always find excuses... ;)

I'm a "mocker" but I said what he did was impressive.

But it's a big psychological load to be leading a rally, to maintain that and not being allowed to make mistakes. Very different than being driving outside points, with a time loss at the start of a rally with nothing to lose and everything to win. And I think this is what Oliver needs to learn, to win rallies, to keep lead overnight, day to day. It's not easy. But I'm sure we'll see this soon :)

Has Oliver got the Power Stage win points?

I assume it's a rhetorical question

Rallyper

26th January 2023, 09:39

I'm a "mocker" but I said what he did was impressive.

But it's a big psychological load to be leading a rally, to maintain that and not being allowed to make mistakes. Very different than being driving outside points, with a time loss at the start of a rally with nothing to lose and everything to win. And I think this is what Oliver needs to learn, to win rallies, to keep lead overnight, day to day. It's not easy. But I'm sure we'll see this soon :)

Circumstances, circumstances...

For sure you´re right about (maybe) less pressure - I´m not sure myself if that´s correct, because of all things happened for Oliver being sacked from Hyundai and stepping down, starting with a known hard rally to begin with.

However - pressure or not. He was fastest guy in RC2 car (Note - I changed from WRC2 to RC2) :) :)

bandit12

26th January 2023, 10:03

Well. Great discussion, but it really suits to Oliver's personal thread.

EstWRC

26th January 2023, 10:54

So what’s the status of going back to Gap or not?

Yesterday I saw many French people in Twitter saying it’s confirmed but haven’t seen anything official yet

bwallace

26th January 2023, 12:12

So what’s the status of going back to Gap or not?

Yesterday I saw many French people in Twitter saying it’s confirmed but haven’t seen anything official yet

It's look like ACM do not take decision yet might there is some word agreement only and they take it seriously.

Co-driven

26th January 2023, 13:10

I assume it's a rhetorical question

Yes, it is.

To me, it can't be said that Oliver won the PS. He was fastest in that stage but, considering he wasn't scoring points in WRC2 he's not the Power Stage winner. But that's just my opinion.

bwallace

26th January 2023, 18:49

Yes, it is.

To me, it can't be said that Oliver won the PS. He was fastest in that stage but, considering he wasn't scoring points in WRC2 he's not the Power Stage winner. But that's just my opinion.

Jesus...

bluuford

26th January 2023, 20:35

So what’s the status of going back to Gap or not?

Yesterday I saw many French people in Twitter saying it’s confirmed but haven’t seen anything official yet

There was a talk that some renovation/reconstruction is going to take place in Monaco where the service was located this year. So, it is likely they move away for next year. But you never know with this event.