[WRC] Rally Estonia 2022

[AnttiL]

The Rally Guide 1 was published on Friday but it tells only a few words about the rally itself:


Our mission is to offer a high level of organisation, an unforgettable experience and extraordinary emotions to the
crews, teams and spectators alike and we are exited that many innovations are waiting ahead in 2022 as well. At
the same time, we are partly returning to our long-standing traditions. The Rally HQ, Media Center and Service
Park are still on the territory of the Estonian National Museum, but after a two-year break, we have brought the Start
and Finish Podium back to the heart of Tartu, to the Town Hall Square, which offers an unforgettable experience
for both the audience and the competitors on the podium. The Powerstage is the legendary Kambja Special Stage,
but in a slightly new format - the finish of the stage and the spectacular Powerstage podium are located inbetween
the picturesque lakes of Leigo, where after watching the exciting finale of the the event, the spectators can applaud
to the winners at the Powerstage podium ceremony.
In 2022 we are welcoming the Estonian Rally Championship drivers to join in at the rally weekend. Round 4 of
Estonan Rally Championsip will be run as a separate event where approximately 40 cars of the national classes
will drive SSS1, SS4, SS5, SS10, SS11, SS12, SS13 after the first passage of the WRC rally participants.

Nice to see Kambja again as the power stage, last year's stage was horrible.

[ToKu]

It seems that there will be no compulsory fan sectors or am I wrong?

[cali]

It seems that there will be no compulsory fan sectors or am I wrong?No, you're not mistaken. After last years ticket sales fiasko it was the only thing reasonable they could do. Definitely going now myself as well.

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[flat_right]

It seems that there will be no compulsory fan sectors or am I wrong?

There are no compulsory fan sectors but you still can't go and choose your own random place. There are 80 unique fan areas where people can go and watch. They are not available yet (at least I haven't seen them) so can't tell which they are, how they look and are they worth the money.

But still, it is way better than last two years which have been total BS.

[AnttiL]

IIRC the previous compulsory areas were made to prevent spreading of COVID-19, to keep same small group of people in the same place throughout the rally. If that is not a problem anymore, they can just let people choose which spectator areas they go to spectate on.

[cali]

IIRC the previous compulsory areas were made to prevent spreading of COVID-19, to keep same small group of people in the same place throughout the rally. If that is not a problem anymore, they can just let people choose which spectator areas they go to spectate on.Not quite so. The idea behind it was as a new innovative way to organize rallyes and thats how you avoid also traffic jams. As far as I've heard the initial idea was to keep this approach but last years ticket sales was a wakeup call and the system was ditched

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[denkimi]

IIRC the previous compulsory areas were made to prevent spreading of COVID-19, to keep same small group of people in the same place throughout the rally. If that is not a problem anymore, they can just let people choose which spectator areas they go to spectate on.
That was one of those briliant ideas to stop an contagious disease. Instead of spreading people out along the stage, put them all close together in closed spaces. 🙄

[TypeR]

brilliant idea or not.. I assume it was one of the ways to get the WRC event to Estonia and continue the whole season.

Was it necessary last year.. don't know. Couldn't go either year because of different regulations, but hopefully can go to Estonia and see the rally myself this year..

[flat_right]

I agree that in 2020 it was a good idea how to get WRC going again. Estonians and rest of the world were hungry for WRC and the tickets were sold basically in 1 hour.

Last year, when they saw the benefits (equally spread spectators in their own bubble, no massive traffic jams, fewer security on the stages, super good ticket sales etc) they thought that let's repeat but I personally think that people didn't like this format where you can't choose your own place. From 5-6 spectator areas, where you were allowed to go, only 1-2 were worth it. Also the ticket price was quite high for this kind of format. Would have been okayish, if I could have been able to choose my own locations but not like this...

Maybe you have had the same idea or impression but with WRC (or actually any other bigger event), you need to have the hard core fan or someone who is following a lot. That person is like the catalyst. Usually you won't go alone, you have friends and girlfriends, children and if this so-called catalyst feels that this is not worth the money, then usually this whole group of people won't go. But this hard core fan, who has usually been to previous events, knows that if there is no option to choose the stage, then they would rather not go. Or at least I felt this way and I think last year it was the case many times... Many people felt that this was not worth it and organized a gathering at home and watched it on WRC all live.

[AnttiL]

24 stages

http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/wrc-rallye-estonie-2022/

[EstWRC]

24 stages

http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/wrc-rallye-estonie-2022/

Where did he get the info?

I don’t find anything on Rally Estonia page etc

No announcements today

[AnttiL]

All 2021 Saturday stages are now run on Friday.
Peipsiääre is now 1 km longer. This is the stage where Kalle made a huge time last year.
Mustvee is 5 km longer
Raanitsa is 1 km shorter
Vatsemoisa is the same

Neeruti and Elva are moved from Sunday to Saturday, lengths are similar
Otepää is moved from Friday to Saturday, length is similar
Mäeküla was run in 2020, not in 2021, now 4 km shorter. This is in place of the Arula stage, which has been partly on same roads.

Raadi is probably last year's horrible power stage, length is similar
Kanepi is moved from Friday to Sunday, length is similar. This is the stage where Tänak went off.
Kambja is moved from Friday to Sunday is again the power stage like in 2020. Length is a bit shorter and we've been told there's a new ending.

Seems like less new than last year, but it's fine after changing almost everything last year. And of course there could be direction changes or other surprises under the same title. I liked most of last year's stages, but sad to see the dreadful Raadi stage still retaining...

[EstWRC]

I still don’t get it where you guys got the info

[WRCStan]

I still don’t get it where you guys got the info

It's buried deep in the Supplementary Regs (https://rallyestonia.com/userfiles/WRCRE2022_SR_v4_290422.pdf), published today.

[Tauri_J]

Antti, power stage will finish at Leigo.

[EstWRC]

It's buried deep in the Supplementary Regs (https://rallyestonia.com/userfiles/WRCRE2022_SR_v4_290422.pdf), published today.

I see, thanks

Why I was asking because usually they announce everything in A big way

[stanm3]

Hi, I plan to arrive at the rally Estonia this year. I have a question about rally passes. Looks like it can't be sent to another country. Will it be possible to buy them in Otepaa during the rally? Will their price rise over time?

[flat_right]

Hi, I plan to arrive at the rally Estonia this year. I have a question about rally passes. Looks like it can't be sent to another country. Will it be possible to buy them in Otepaa during the rally? Will their price rise over time?

Hi! I just checked and it seems that they send to other countries (see the screenshot link below. I chose Germany just as an example but also Finland etc were available). I'm like 99% sure that there will be some option that you could buy the pass during the event. It would be a bad business decision for the organizers for not doing so. I think many people just decide based on the mood, weather etc. Maybe someone who knows how it was last year can confirm that. And I don't believe that the price would increase. The ticket is already quite expensive and I can't imagine it going higher. But anyway, hope you get your ticket and welcome!

https://www.upload.ee/image/14120407/Screenshot_3.png

[stanm3]

Ooh, you' re right. I had to be blind.. Thanks for the info. I'm really looking forward to attending this rally. Greetings from the Czech Republic.

[EstWRC]

https://youtu.be/1HW5fZ8F5cE

Betsafe podcast with Rally Estonia organizers.

- the spectating is more free this year. They say kinda like in Rally Finland with long spectating areas but There will be traffic jams because it’s more free to move
- 2 stages only exactly identical to last year, the others have been changed more or less
- Russian and Belarusian drivers won’t be allowed to participate, also with neutral flags. It’s not Rally Estonia decision but goes back to higher sport unions decision in Estonia in general
- Trucks are not allowed to participate in national class during the rally because FIA doesn’t like the lines they create. This is also the reason why Vanagas hasn’t been the zero car with his Dakar car, crowd loved it but FIA doesn’t
- Peipsiääre will have amazing jumps in the beginning of the stage according to Urmo. Also they changed the way the cars enter the Selgise quarry
- Aava expects the average to be 106km/h. Last year was 109
- The spectator app will show you traffic, how many parking spots there will be and etc
- The power stage finish will be exactly at lake Leigo. The podium will be in the middle of the lake

[AnttiL]

- The power stage finish will be exactly at lake Leigo. The podium will be in the middle of the lake

Must be this

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Estonia-2021/Kambja#/gps/58.135728,26.55476

[stanm3]

The organizers have created nearly 80 unique spectator areas for all rally fans, from which each spectator can put together a pleasant program for the entire rally weekend.

What exactly does that mean? Will all other places, except these 80 areas, be banned for spectators?

[EstWRC]

Don’t know exactly yet. They weren’t specific about that

Need to wait for more info. All they said was that you can go to every stage with the pass

[flat_right]

The organizers have created nearly 80 unique spectator areas for all rally fans, from which each spectator can put together a pleasant program for the entire rally weekend.

What exactly does that mean? Will all other places, except these 80 areas, be banned for spectators?

I'm pretty sure it means exactly that otherwise they would have stated that although we have created 80 areas, you don't actually have to go there. I can't quote it by heart but the head of security said that we are moving back towards the "wild" days of spectating where you could go everywhere.

To elaborate more on it, then they said that this year it will be more like Rally Finland spectator areas. The longest area is about 3km long, so you can go and hike along the road and choose your own place.

[pantealex]

head of security said that we are moving back towards the "wild" days of spectating where you could go everywhere.

so you can go and hike along the road and choose your own place.

Everybody just must remember that in WRC events walking on road ends 1 hour (or even earlier) before 1st car.
so getting to (and going back to your car) your own place could be difficult walk.

[ArviPommer]

https://sport.tv3.ee/wrc/video-tanavuse-rally-estonia-reedene-paev-viib-soitjad-tartust-peipsi-poole-trampliinide-ja-tehniliste-kurvide-korval-on-soitjatel-vaja-lahendada-veel-uks-usna-keeruline-ulesanne/?fbclid=IwAR3mCCgPH_6ZtiKvpco2j8DseCEszZjGmMn300PH vlokLQmTFuB82vhGEcE Selgise stage

[ArviPommer]

https://www.rallyestonia.com/en/spectators/general-information/maps/

[AnttiL]

https://www.rallyestonia.com/en/spectators/general-information/maps/

It looks like:

Shakedown same as before
Super special same as before but reversed

Peipsiääre has beginning modified with new spectator area (huge jumps(?))
Mustvee has new small road loop behind the tarmac road
Raanitsa shortened majorly from the end
Vastsemoisa same as before

Elva reversed (so it starts from rallycross track)
Mäekülä start from 2020 stage and end from 2020 Arula. Start is also extended to the tarmac main road.
Otepää almost same as before (sharing a short section with Vatsemoisa) with a new small road section at the end
Neeruti has new beginning

Raadi last year's power stage now reversed
Kanepi same as before
Kambja start is the same, turns onto a new road and then ending is reversed into a new finish location.

[stanm3]

Spectators are not allowed to bring own food and drinks to the spectator areas
Will this really be controlled, which way? I can't imagine everyone checking their backpacks

[EstWRC]

This has been the rule all the years but don’t remember them controlling it.

Have went in with my bottle of water and beers easily

[AnttiL]

https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Estonia-2022

Two things went unnoticed for me: the super special is also reversed now, and Otepää ending has a new short small road section. So only two stages are same as last year, like someone said earlier: Kanepi and Vastsemoisa.

[ArviPommer]

https://sport.postimees.ee/7541861/rally-estoniale-tehti-esialgne-pakkumine-wrc-sarjas-jatkamiseks Rally Estonia WRC until 2026?

[Eli]

https://sport.postimees.ee/7541861/rally-estoniale-tehti-esialgne-pakkumine-wrc-sarjas-jatkamiseks Rally Estonia WRC until 2026?

They said that after seeing the Safari Rally Kenya organizers striking a deal with the promoter until 2027(6?) they said they’d aim their rally to participate until 2026 where as before they were just looking for next year.

[Franky]

To sum up. There are two options, to go year-by-year or do a long term deal. They'd prefer a long term one but it's still necessary to "talk" with all parties involved in Estonia as well. They'd like to continue being the innovative event and to keep developing, not to rest on the already achieved level. Also mentioned that they are on the look for a title sponsor who'd bring around half a million to the budget. For two years there hasn't been a title sponsor.

[ToKu]

I've got a question about rally passes. Can't find information if they will be availiable to buy in Otepaa during the rally? Gas station, fan merchandise shop etc.? If the answer is somwhere on the rally site, I can't find it. Thanks in advance for any info on the issue.

[cali]

I've got a question about rally passes. Can't find information if they will be availiable to buy in Otepaa during the rally? Gas station, fan merchandise shop etc.? If the answer is somwhere on the rally site, I can't find it. Thanks in advance for any info on the issue.

Online shop only
https://rallyestonia.com/en/shop/

[Oliverk]

I´m pretty that sure passes are sold in Circle K stations also.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVdcpITWYAAbZoh?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVdcpITWYAQmyZw?format=jpg&name=large

[flat_right]

There is a pressure from media and public not to allow any Russian or Belarussian drivers to the rally. Urmo Aava (rally director) has said it publicly that they are not allowed to participate and their wish has been forwarded to FIA and promotor already earlier. And they don't even want to allow this scheme that you could participate under some other flag (be it neutral or some "my grandmother has X nationality). So probably Gryazin will not participate.

[WRCStan]

There is a pressure from media and public not to allow any Russian or Belarussian drivers to the rally. Urmo Aava (rally director) has said it publicly that they are not allowed to participate and their wish has been forwarded to FIA and promotor already earlier. And they don't even want to allow this scheme that you could participate under some other flag (be it neutral or some "my grandmother has X nationality). So probably Gryazin will not participate.

Too right, Agent Gryazin winning WRC2 would be the shot heard around the world!


Pathetic.

[EstWRC]

Aava said in that Betsafe podcast for SURE that Russian and Belarusian driver are not allowed

Interesting

[Eli]

Aava said in that Betsafe podcast for SURE that Russian and Belarusian driver are not allowed

Interesting

Yet the entry list published today shows a different picture, who knows, still enough time to change beforehand.

[Päss1928]

Aava said in that Betsafe podcast for SURE that Russian and Belarusian driver are not allowed

Interesting

What is also interesting is something else Kruus mentioned in that podcast - if they are allowed to start, how will the organisers guarantee their safety during the rally? I can't really imagine how serious of a problem it would be, but surely something to at least think about. This could potentially turn into something bigger, or what do you think about it?

[RS]

What is also interesting is something else Kruus mentioned in that podcast - if they are allowed to start, how will the organisers guarantee their safety during the rally? I can't really imagine how serious of a problem it would be, but surely something to at least think about. This could potentially turn into something bigger, or what do you think about it?

I don’t think Estonians are that feral that they’d attack anyone just for being Russian? Whole thing’s a nonsense anyway.. Putin isn’t gonna pull his troops from Ukraine because Nikolay Gryazin wasn’t allowed to start Rally Estonia is he?

[WRCStan]

What is also interesting is something else Kruus mentioned in that podcast - if they are allowed to start, how will the organisers guarantee their safety during the rally? I can't really imagine how serious of a problem it would be, but surely something to at least think about. This could potentially turn into something bigger, or what do you think about it?

It's a legitimate point but let the police and government agencies decide and define this. Not the job of the media or rally organisers.

Not much will change for 2023, this is long term. Estonia could drop off the calendar if a) the safety of competitors can't be guaranteed, or b) the organiser can't accept internationalism. We already saw 'Russian/Belarussian' driver continue with Toksport on rounds within the EU so it's not a restriction of bloc laws.

[ToKu]

I don’t think Estonians are that feral that they’d attack anyone just for being Russian? Whole thing’s a nonsense anyway.. Putin isn’t gonna pull his troops from Ukraine because Nikolay Gryazin wasn’t allowed to start Rally Estonia is he?

What is the point of doing anything then? He is still massacring Ukrainians, so sanctions are nonsense too.

[WRCStan]

What is the point of doing anything then? He is still massacring Ukrainians, so sanctions are nonsense too.

May I politely request to keep this thread on topic, there is a thread called 'Situation in Ukraine' in 'Chit Chat'.

[mknight]

May I politely request to keep this thread on topic, there is a thread called 'Situation in Ukraine' in 'Chit Chat'.

Read your own pathetic post #40, then delete this and stop beeing a textbook hypocrite.

[WRCStan]

Read your own pathetic post #40, then delete this and stop beeing a textbook hypocrite.

#40 was a shitpost but was a response to the attitude of the rally organiser. Inviting a discussion on the efficacy of sanctions, military tactics, political decisions and so on as I guess ToKu meant, will probably have this thread descend into chaos a month before the rally even starts. Sure though I did get pot/kettle vibes anyway.

[mknight]

The "attitude" of the rally organizer is perfectly easy to understand.
Multiple officials of a certain country have repeatedly declared that Estonia doesn't have a right to exist. (and also "rewoked" independence of Lithuania recently btw.)

Now rally Estonia has both direct and indirect support of Estonian officials (and taxpayers money).

In this situation it certainly might be a problem for them to give prizes (given usually by local state officials) and generally just using taxpayers money on someone representing Automobile Federation of that country.

So the only real news is that they might be against drivers starting under "neutral" flags like FIA or 3rd countries (RAF is not neutral). But I guess someone has a certain incident in Portugal in mind.

[meh]

Situation is solved on the gov level - Estonian government disallow them (Nikolai Grjazin, Konstantin Aleksandrov) to enter to the country from 23th June to 18th of July.

News in estonian: https://sport.delfi.ee/artikkel/120027490/eesti-riik-kehtestas-rally-estoniale-tulla-soovinud-venemaa-rallipaarile-sissesoidukeelu

[TypeR]

sounds good :)
rusia is large, can drive greml championship if needed :)

[AnttiL]

Route preview

https://itgetsfasternow.com/2022/07/04/route-preview-rally-estonia-2022/

Changes on all the stages except two.

[Rallyper]

Don´t forget Pickems. Closing time Thursday 19.30 CEST.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

A defining rally for Breen...

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/estonia-will-define-breens-m-sport-season/

[AnttiL]

Rain on the forecast. Interesting sporting wise but of course not nice for spectators

[EstWRC]

Rain on the forecast. Interesting sporting wise but of course not nice for spectators

well, tomorrow is the worst. After that just showers here and there it seems according to our national weather forecast.

But generally speaking it has been so dry this year up to last week, not much rain at all. At least in Tallinn where I live.

[bandit12]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/latvala-millener-and-moncet-to-race-each-other-in-estonia/
Sounds like fun

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Encouraging PET for M-Sport.

https://dirtfish.com/archive/m-sport-quietly-confident-for-estonia/

[Lead]

Cant find any info at official website, but is it possible to buy rally pass (day pass) at the entrance of the special stage? How was it last year?

[Prill99]

Cant find any info at official website, but is it possible to buy rally pass (day pass) at the entrance of the special stage? How was it last year?https://www.rallyestonia.com/en/shop Can buy day pass. 35.-

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[Kestask]

Maybe someone can answer, will it be possible to buy a ticket when entering at the stage? Or only in circle k

[Lead]

Maybe someone can answer, will it be possible to buy a ticket when entering at the stage? Or only in circle k
That was my question also.

[AnttiL]

well, tomorrow is the worst. After that just showers here and there it seems according to our national weather forecast.

But generally speaking it has been so dry this year up to last week, not much rain at all. At least in Tallinn where I live.

yr.no is now giving 20 mm of rain on Thursday for Otepää.

https://www.yr.no/en/forecast/daily-table/2-589782/Estonia/Valgamaa/Otep%C3%A4%C3%A4%20vald/Otep%C3%A4%C3%A4

[TypeR]

should be quite clear..



RALLY PASS INFORMATION
WRC Rally Estonia rally passes can be purchased by all rally fans at Circle K stations across Estonia and also at the Welcome Office located in the Sports Hall of the University of Tartu (address Ujula street 4, Tartu).

[WRCStan]

Does anybody know if I can use an umbrella?

Edit: "Yes, but it is strongly recommended to use a raincoat." https://www.rallyestonia.com/en/spectators/faq/

[svstock]

Your pick!
https://strawpoll.com/polls/1MnwvMDe1y7 OVERALL WINNERS (closes 15.07.2022 / 07:45)
https://strawpoll.com/polls/w4nWD3oJlgA POWER STAGE WINNERS (closes 17.07.2022 / 14:00)
Vote now!

[flat_right]

This is a section from Mustvee stage SS3 and SS7. Surely one of the trickiest places during the rally, especially during the second pass when there will definitely be some ruts as this is a newly built road (soft). And add some of the predicted rain which will make it even more slippery and softer.

https://streamable.com/axl0gl
I removed the Estonian voice over with a hopefully more familiar sound

[EstWRC]

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[AnttiL]

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Looks quite damaged...

[Eli]

Are all the roads in the stages like that and also does anyone know how much rain is expected during the weekend?

[EstWRC]

no all arent like that, quite a storm hit some of the stages yesterday, even trees fell down

today no rain is expected, on next days showers here and there but not for the whole day

[TheUsualSpectator]

Hey! Can some local suggest best stages to attend or just share some info about tricky places to visit?

[EstWRC]

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[drive]

Any has made google rally map?

[EstWRC]

Tänaks helmet for this event, celebrating 5 years with Betsafe

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[satnav]

Any has made google rally map?

Planetemarcus has as always a google earth map for the rally.

http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/wrc-rallye-estonie-2022/

[Tauri_J]

Heavy rain moving on to shakedown area

https://vana.ilmateenistus.ee/ilm/ilmavaatlused/radaripildid/komposiitpilt/

[EstWRC]

Proper rain now 20km away from the stage now according to my friend

Unfortunately couldn’t make it to the shakedown myself but will be on stages the next days

[Tauri_J]

I'm on shakedown. A little break from rain but should get a lot worse in no time.

[Got Mail]

Neuville still in service?

[AnttiL]

Shakedown live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1oUqN-Rivg

[AnttiL]

Fastest time on the shakedown first pass last year was 2:57.6. Currently the fastest time is 3:00.0

[Tauri_J]

By the looks of it Craig was fastest in our plac

E: time is shit though

[EstWRC]

The Toyotas seem so good

Will be difficult

[Eli]

The Toyotas seem so good

Will be difficult

From the outside they look to be changing direction quicker & more precise than the others, even Lappi who’s new here was looking fast and had the fastest time.

[EstWRC]

Well for me it was sure already before the rally that it will be Kalle vs Ott but it seems Lappi will be also maybe joining them

We will see. Will be interesting one with the weather and some Estonian experts saying that some of the new parts are tricky as hell and whoever has confidence there can make up big time

[satukata]

Toyota really strong. If it´s raining tomorrow Kalle will win again!

[AnttiL]

Rumors of Katsuta rolled

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/ewrcresults/status/1547487957845680129?s=21&t=NTaZYGuQIieeMQXU3DazUA

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/saarijarno/status/1547525105676439552?s=21&t=NTaZYGuQIieeMQXU3DazUA

[TypeR]

When was the last time, that WRC crews did so many runs on SD..? :O
Almost everybody 4, Lappi and Neuville 5 runs..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Maybe it's been discussed before or elsewhere, but this engine development by Toyota and also Hyundai which each has announced here - wasn't the development of the 1.6 WRC engines supposed to be frozen at the end of 2021 ?

[eib1]

Millener went off at "PET" :)

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[mearioEnrico]

There are still some (small) changes allowed.

[TanaKa]

Hola partner,,Kalle sera sin contratiempos otra vez ganador y Lappi sin contratiempos sera 3º-4º y l 2º- 3º sera tambien sin contratiempos Ott - Neuville..saludos..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

There are still some (small) changes allowed.

Clearly enough to mention by Tom Fowler (Toyota)...

"We have put a performance package together ready for Estonia, which consists of a mid-season engine upgrade as normal. This is what we’ve done [in time for the mid-season fast rallies] for the last six years.”

What does a mid-season upgrade consist of these days?

“I think broadly speaking it’s power,” Fowler explains. “Every year we say we’ve gone torque, power, torque, power, torque, power. For the moment we’ve been looking for more power for the simple reason that the electric motor has got torque, so why would you put more of that at this point?

“So yeah, a more powerful engine is coming.”

[Kenneth]

Maybe it's been discussed before or elsewhere, but this engine development by Toyota and also Hyundai which each has announced here - wasn't the development of the 1.6 WRC engines supposed to be frozen at the end of 2021 ?

Didn't they move deadline for freeze until half of 2022?

[mearioEnrico]

AFAIK only spark plug, piston, intake and exhaust manifold can be modified.

Add 0.5hp to the previous engine spec and you have a more powerful engine. Marketing is part of the business.

[AnttiL]

And I think they can do lots with the software

[svstock]

SS1 Visit Estonia Tartu 1 [1.66 km] Team principals with GAZ rally truck.
Latvala (Team Toyota) 02:06,2
Millener (Team Ford) 02:09,3 (+3,1)
Maciej Woda (FIA Junior WRC Championship Manager) 02:12,9 (+6,7)
Moncet (Team Hyundai) 02:20,8 (+14,6)

[logic]

And I think they can do lots with the software

Software along with friction losses can amount to as much as 10 more hp.

If they go away from the traditional engine build philosophy you can free up many more HP, where as the usual brief is to have as much torque as possible for drivability. So if you go to add power there are many things within the parameters that you can change to achieve this.

[EstWRC]

Superb air shots of Tartu!

[WRCStan]

AFAIK only spark plug, piston, intake and exhaust manifold can be modified.

Add 0.5hp to the previous engine spec and you have a more powerful engine. Marketing is part of the business.

If piston includes conrod length, that can change power and torque through geometry IIRC.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I just read that the engine development 'freeze' was actually a freeze of the regulations, not of development of an engine itself within those regulations.

[EstWRC]

Tänak already with stuck gear …..

[wwbroe]

Besttime for Breen, that is a surprise

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Stage win for Breen should keep his confidence high for a rally they have done well on.

[focus206]

I can't see anyone besides Kalle winning this rally. I'd put Tanak in the fight, but he drives the "amazing quality" car...

[Tauri_J]

Looks like more of a drier weekend coming now. Some showers in the afternoon from friday-sunday Are possible

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Shakedown
https://youtu.be/RhsHt6_6Pi4

[EstWRC]

Good morning guys. Arrived to the spot. Nice sunshine at the moment and didn’t rain during night

[satukata]

Good morning guys. Arrived to the spot. Nice sunshine at the moment and didn’t rain during night

Is road dry or damp?

[EstWRC]

The place we are it’s rather dry I would say

Ss2

[AnttiL]

Tere hommikust! Enjoy your rally on the stages!

[AnttiL]

Neuville lost 3.8s to Kalle on first split. Tänak is going better.

[AnttiL]

Katsuta losing a lot, probably just due to the shakedown crash messing with him

Breen down 4.2s on second split.

Tänak going for a great time

[dimviii]

Early escape for Rovanperä

Kalle Rovanperä at SS2 stage end: "We were lucky, we hit a rock quite hard." There is evident damage on his right rear wheel.

[Eli]

No stage end interviews this morning? Too early for our wrc+ crews?

[AnttiL]

No stage end interviews this morning? Too early for our wrc+ crews?

I've seen the interviews well

Kalle clipped a rock, Tänak felt down on power at the end of the stage

In other news Evans is matching Tänak

[AnttiL]

Greensmith losing already 5.7 on first split. And 13.1 on second. Basically 1 s/km

[EstWRC]

I've seen the interviews well

Kalle clipped a rock, Tänak felt down on power at the end of the stage

In other news Evans is matching Tänak

I wondered where Tänak lost 0.5 suddenly in the end

Great news again!

[AnttiL]

Evans now faster than Tänak at split 3

[Rallyper]

Mawnin´all friends.

Just home from boatvacation in the archipelago of Norrtälje. Interesting three days ahead...

[AnttiL]

Loubet and Greensmith exactly equal at split 2, both slow.

Big time for Evans, 4s faster than Tänak

[EstWRC]

What a time from Evans

Him, Tänak and kalle Looked best on our place

Neuville all over the place and Breen looked just slow

[AnttiL]

Lappi and Solberg also quite slow. Maybe the road already deteriorationg?

[AnttiL]

Paddon also off the pace

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXryPpLVsAQh7JA?format=jpg&name=medium

Big gaps. Only Breen to Rovanperä is less than a second.

[meh]

Quite some differences in times immediately.

And we saw some RC2 cars as well, which is good.

... and the biggest question and worry in Estonia is: what is (or is there) the issue with Tänak's engine...

[AnttiL]

Huttunen losing a lot already on two first splits

[Rally Hokkaido]

I noticed quite a lot of ruts. Paddon was the only one who mentioned them.

[AnttiL]

I noticed quite a lot of ruts. Paddon was the only one who mentioned them.

Yeah, could see them already on the last Rally1 cars

[AnttiL]

Kalle says it's cleaning a lot

[AnttiL]

Would love to get translated what Ott and Martin talked at the end of SS3

[Päss1928]

Would love to get translated what Ott and Martin talked at the end of SS3

Didn't hear the beginning, but in the end Martin said there was an interesting noise.

[Rallyper]

Lindholm also fast on SS2.

[meh]

Man of the morning is Evans

[satukata]

Rallyradio?

[Rallyper]

Very different approaches in the last corners of SS3. Kalle, Tanak and Solberg seemed to break too much, while Fourmaux, Loubet were very fast, straighten the corners efficient.

[Lead]

Did I hear correctly? Engine issue for Huttunen on stage 1?

[meh]

Based on all-live maps, Virves stopped?

edit: moving again.

Not nice addition for Estonians after Kaur's situation.

[mearioEnrico]

If piston includes conrod length, that can change power and torque through geometry IIRC.

Piston means piston.


Software along with friction losses can amount to as much as 10 more hp.

If they go away from the traditional engine build philosophy you can free up many more HP, where as the usual brief is to have as much torque as possible for drivability. So if you go to add power there are many things within the parameters that you can change to achieve this.

Software is homologated as well.


I just read that the engine development 'freeze' was actually a freeze of the regulations, not of development of an engine itself within those regulations.

Engine development is frozen apart from few parts like I wrote :) The only other way is for reliability reasons.

[ouvreur]

Very different approaches in the last corners of SS3. Kalle, Tanak and Solberg seemed to break too much, while Fourmaux, Loubet were very fast, straighten the corners efficient.

So fast and efficient that they only finished 17.5 and 18.5 seconds off fastest :spin:

[Rallyper]

So fast and efficient that they only finished 17.5 and 18.5 seconds off fastest :spin:

I didn´t talk about whole stage, man. Just one corner. Read again, please.

[EstWRC]

Tänak gives a lot of time away on every stage with second half

Still the power problems?

[meh]

Toyotas will dominate here again.

[ouvreur]

I didn´t talk about whole stage, man. Just one corner. Read again, please.

And I'm not saying you did... I just find it quite amusing that your analysis of that corner contrasts so starkly with the actual stage result (other than Solberg)...

[Rallyper]

Breen off...?

Edit: Off and steering broken.

[Rallyper]

And I'm not saying you did... I just find it quite amusing that your analysis of that corner contrasts so starkly with the actual stage result (other than Solberg)...

Two completely different matters.

[seb_sh]

Breen off, that's dissappointing again

and looks like he's out for the day

[ouvreur]

Two completely different matters.

I disagree - the way a driver drives their car should have some impact on their stage time, shouldn't it? They're not likely to have driven the last few corners differently to how they drove all the preceding ones.

Or, if that isn't the case... what was the purpose of your comment?

I was just trying to have a bit of fun with it...

[EstWRC]

Evan class of his own

[Rallyper]

It amuses me when people not can take in a quote and analyse it. Only make fun of it.

I´ve watched rallycars since more than 60 years. I´ve driven rallies myself during around 30 years.
Different approaches of corners is nothing strange, you know.
Maybe you should take a look on the replay and do your own analyse instead of making fun of people.

[seb_sh]

Everybody except Toyota have started taking themselves out already. Let's see what Tanak and Neuville can still do.

[meh]

Evan class of his own

Evans is good, but take in account start position as well. Probably we'll see the reality tomorrow when they have similar road position with Rovanperä

[Rallyper]

Oliver mentally down atm.

[ouvreur]

It amuses me when people not can take in a quote and analyse it. Only make fun of it.

I´ve watched rallycars since more than 60 years. I´ve driven rallies myself during around 30 years.
Different approaches of corners is nothing strange, you know.
Maybe you should take a look on the replay and do your own analyse instead of making fun of people.

Come on now. I'm not trying to fall out with you, no matter how touchy you are or how hard it seems you are trying to fall out with me.

I don't disagree with much of what you've said. I'm not laughing at what you have said or saying what you think you saw is wrong. If, as you say, Fourmaux and Loubet look faster, it's cute, because their stage times don't reflect that (at least relative to the fastest two or three drivers).

You are correct - there is nothing unusual about drivers taking different lines or moving their cars in different ways. But if you tell me that two guys looked fast and efficient, and those guys set times over 1 second per km slower than the scratch...

[TWRC]

Lappi also seems a bit lost over driving style issues.

[Lead]

Great pace from Lindholm so far. Lets see if he can keep it on the road.

[Lead]

Morning positives - Evans, Lindholm, Kaur
Negative - Lappi, Breen, Solberg

[jonkka]

Lappi also seems a bit lost over driving style issues.

He's nursing a brake problem which forces him to brake with right foot.

[EstWRC]

Evans is good, but take in account start position as well. Probably we'll see the reality tomorrow when they have similar road position with Rovanperä

Maybe

For me it’s more the fact that Toyota is just so much better car

[meh]

Lappi also seems a bit lost over driving style issues.

He has brake issues.

[EstWRC]

I raise my hat Evans

What a drive in morning loop

[Rallyper]

Come on now. I'm not trying to fall out with you, no matter how touchy you are or how hard it seems you are trying to fall out with me.

I don't disagree with much of what you've said. I'm not laughing at what you have said or saying what you think you saw is wrong. If, as you say, Fourmaux and Loubet look faster, it's cute, because their stage times don't reflect that (at least relative to the fastest two or three drivers).

You are correct - there is nothing unusual about drivers taking different lines or moving their cars in different ways. But if you tell me that two guys looked fast and efficient, and those guys set times over 1 second per km slower than the scratch...

Ok. You win. By lots of words. We see things different and you´re an expert. Not me.
I´m amused by your way of taking in others.

[pantealex]

I raise my hat Evans

What a drive in morning loop

Looks like "old" Evans is back!

[spyros]

Looks like "old" Evans is back!

I expect to beat Kale here and at Finland.

[meh]

I expect to beat Kale here and at Finland.

Without taking away anything from Evans's performance, don't judge before tomorrow, when they have similar road position.

[EstWRC]

Lappi just 2.6 from Neuville

He will get past for sure when brakes working and the just Tänak between the Toyotas

[meh]

Maybe

For me it’s more the fact that Toyota is just so much better car

I was just comparing Evans and Rovanperä. If Tänak will not invent some miracle during lunch time, he does not seem to have no response for Toyotas this year.

[EstWRC]

Tänak admitting he is on the edge and can’t beat the Toyotas in media zone

[240RS]

Seem to recall Evans having what he felt was a defining PET test in Finland last yea, viz-a-viz set-up. Wondering whether those lessons are being to very good use here! Currently, he is no doubt a step up on everyone!

[meh]

And Tänak got 10sec penalty for not driving in EV mode somewhere.

[jonkka]

And Tänak got 10sec penalty for not driving in EV mode somewhere.

No kidding? Ouch, home crowd isn't going to like that.

[M3 Jambo]

Without taking away anything from Evans's performance, don't judge before tomorrow, when they have similar road position.

Totally agree, remember what happened in Portugal, albeit disadvantage running first may be less here.

[Eli]

Have to admit that atm at least, the rally isn't the most interesting, Toyota dominating again (or at the very least take the win again), M-Sport are way off now with Breen out for the day, & Rovanperä doesn't have to push for the win as even if Evans does take this one, he'd still be some 60+ points behind, at this point the championship feels like who finished second which is a shame since we did get the new regs for this season.
Still early days in the rally I know, but Toyota's domination is starting to take it's toll, nothing against the rally or the competitors, it just feels like we've seen this situation a few times before this season. I can't stress this enough, I hope Hyundai get their parts together for 2023, so we'll have some competition, also I hope Tänak leaves them for M-Sport or something. I'm aware I'm stating the obvious, it's just a shame we have these (still) magnificent cars yet we're not enjoying them to the full extent, like we did back in 2017.

[EstWRC]

What a stupid mistake from Ott

It’s over now

[Lead]

What a stupid mistake from Ott

It’s over now

Its still a long way to go. If it starts raining everything can happen.

[Lead]

I take my words back about Lappi as negative surprise so far. I hope he can turn it around in the afternoon when brake problem is fixed.

Shame for Breen. This was the rally where he could have showed his real potential.

[TWRC]

Paddon out with mechanical problems.

[jonkka]

Neuville falling further and further behind...

[flat_right]

From onboard it looks like Ott is fighting a lot and pushing like hell and time is not there. Just sad.

[jonkka]

It seems that Lappi will pass Neuville to 4th overall.

[meh]

Fourmaux with the same time as Evans on split 1... a bit scary.

edit: 7.2sec down on split 2

[Rallyper]

Does All Live work for you?

[EstWRC]

I don’t get it

Tänak is fastest basically in first splits the whole day then loses a lot after that

[Eli]

Does All Live work for you?

No

[meh]

Does All Live work for you?

Nope. Down. Seems like "Made by Hyundai". If to quote fellow country-man, then: "The quality is amazing"

[Prill99]

In Estonia TV ITS working.

Sent from my GM1913 using Tapatalk

[rp]

Does All Live work for you?

That´s why I have also CMore. It´s working, when WRC+ is down.

[PLuto]

From onboard it looks like Ott is fighting a lot and pushing like hell and time is not there. Just sad.

Sometimes pushing like a hell doesnt meen to have good times. Often it is better to push little bit less, drive more precisely and time will be better...

[Eli]

Later on we'll hear an "Apologies for us" by the great commentators, and as to making sure these things don't happen again, they'll just copy paste the same response for next time.

[meh]

Meanwhile in rally, Rovanperä took 5.5sec back from Evans.

[jonkka]

Evans' clean run of stage wins comes to an end.

[dimviii]

ss8

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXthHArVQAAc-rM?format=jpg&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXtjKIRVEAA0J01?format=jpg&name=small

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXtl-sxVsAIsN9c?format=jpg&name=large

[dimviii]

Sunninen 4,1 from Mikkelsen,Lets see what Lindholm can do.

[wwbroe]

Sunninen 4,1 from Mikkelsen,Lets see what Lindholm can do.

Lindholm back in front now;)

[Lead]

Sunninen, Mikkelsen, Lindholm all in 5sec

[flat_right]

Sometimes pushing like a hell doesnt meen to have good times. Often it is better to push little bit less, drive more precisely and time will be better...

These times you can see from Neuville.

[flat_right]

It has to be something to do with the web because in Estonia TV3 Sport is showing stages live and I haven’t seen any issues.

[ouvreur]

ss8

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXthHArVQAAc-rM?format=jpg&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXtjKIRVEAA0J01?format=jpg&name=small

Careful now, don't leave your phone there, it might get damaged...

[WRCStan]

Martijn W did not look well at all at the end of this stage.

[er88]

Kalle is going to catch Evans isn't he.....

[dimviii]

Sunninen now 1,9 from Mikkelsen

[EstWRC]

Tänak gave up? Sorry wasn’t able to follow

[rp]

Kalle is going to catch Evans isn't he.....

Of course he will.

[Sulland]

On gravelrallies drivers should not have to drive same stages twice. Must be scary with these deep ruts!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Amazing quality from Hyundai (yet again).

[EstWRC]

This is just ridiculous…..

[bandit12]

Is Alzenau a big village?

[WRCStan]

I look forward to the video compilation of all these comical things.

[EstWRC]

And the luck Kalle has is also kinda ridiculous

[rp]

Kalle will win all the remaining rounds! Not so good for the rallying...

[er88]

Fucking hell Evans

[TypeR]

Is Alzenau a big village?
Shelter on a desert island..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle is going to catch Evans isn't he.....

No sooner said than done.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans says 'you must've seen' ..er no, All Live just isnt..

[EstWRC]

Fucking hell Evans

Wasn’t his fault. Conditions just getting a lot worse

[Eli]

Conditions reminding me of Wales, shame we don’t get that rally at the end of the season after Japan. It’s nice to see when it’s not sunny all the time.

[Eli]

Rovanpera leading at the end of Friday, where have we seen this before. What do you think guys, will he take the title in Acropolis or only in NZ?

[er88]

Wasn’t his fault. Conditions just getting a lot worseYep. Just my frustration as soon as I saw the 1st split. Kalle is in Ogier mode now, when you're on the top of your game even the luck goes your way

[focus206]

Is Alzenau a big village?

Hyundai Shell Mobis VRT (Village Rally Team)

[eib1]

https://www.facebook.com/100001273602781/videos/785382939487439/

[bandit12]

Sarcasm in purest form

[dimviii]

did Kalle had an advantage at last stage?
difference sec/km is more than 2 sec from second faster.

[eib1]

did Kalle had an advantage at last stage?
difference sec/km is more than 2 sec from second faster.

yes, heavy rain basically followed him

[eib1]

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/293470732_10216867469038040_5832007592247547677_n. jpg?stp=cp1_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=mOlhUTM3C4gAX8Tsszl&_nc_ht=scontent-arn2-1.xx&oh=00_AT-12-GLL-aHnhBLa5M_kK5GhATvP1TkdX4wkHk88KcypA&oe=62D5FBF1

seems like The Pope himself pushed Loubet back on road :)

edit: video
https://www.facebook.com/groups/rallirahvas/permalink/2046742532174488/

[dimviii]

yes, heavy rain basically followed him

Is that an advantage at these circumstances/ road position?

[EstWRC]

did Kalle had an advantage at last stage?
difference sec/km is more than 2 sec from second faster.

Was first on the road when the heavy rain hit. The others Had much worse conditions

[jiipee64]

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/293470732_10216867469038040_5832007592247547677_n. jpg?stp=cp1_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=mOlhUTM3C4gAX8Tsszl&_nc_ht=scontent-arn2-1.xx&oh=00_AT-12-GLL-aHnhBLa5M_kK5GhATvP1TkdX4wkHk88KcypA&oe=62D5FBF1

seems like The Pope himself pushed Loubet back on road :)

edit: video
https://www.facebook.com/groups/rallirahvas/permalink/2046742532174488/

That video is pure gold (at the end of the rainbow)

[bomber21]

Solberg thing is not working for Hyundai. He is lost for another rally. Sordo would fight for the podium…

[Danny0405]

Solberg thing is not working for Hyundai. He is lost for another rally. Sordo would fight for the podium…

Not much sense to send Sordo in a fast gravel event; he would be at best 6th tonight (and maybe worse considering how much time he didn’t drive on fast gravel). Belgium could be more an acceptable bet but clearly not a gift when we see what happened last year to drivers with no experience there.

Not saying promoting Solberg was a good idea but clearly, if you don’t put him here, you won’t put him anywhere.

[COD]

Not much sense to send Sordo in a fast gravel event; he would be at best 6th tonight (and maybe worse considering how much time he didn’t drive on fast gravel). Belgium could be more an acceptable bet but clearly not a gift when we see what happened last year to drivers with no experience there.

Not saying promoting Solberg was a good idea but clearly, if you don’t put him here, you won’t put him anywhere.

Solberg would have benefitted from another full season in WRC2 imho

[steve.mandzij]

Solberg would have benefitted from another full season in WRC2 imhoOr two... Even his driving style is wrong, slow and hard on the tyres. The gamble to get two Rovanperäs in the championship backfired big time.

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[dimviii]

nice clip with Evans
https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1547916871432712192

[WRCStan]

That video is pure gold (at the end of the rainbow)

https://i.imgur.com/C678kAr.jpg

ANY DREAM WILL DOOOOOO

[Hüttünen]

Jari Hüttünen was phenomenal once again yesterday in WRC2. He is such a young and promising talent! Everyone in Finland is speaking about him. In 2030’s he will win WRC2 Title. And after Rovanperä era in 2020’s to 2030’s, Huttunen will be there in 2040’s to clean the table in WRC.

[Eli]

Solberg thing is not working for Hyundai. He is lost for another rally. Sordo would fight for the podium…

Not sure about a podium as Sordo never excelled in these types of rallies however if any of the Hyundais fail, which we’ve seen happen he would be the one to pick up the pieces which is more than can be said about Solberg Jr.

[EstWRC]

Wow Ott totally on another level so far compared to others on our place

[TypeR]

Tanak said their were late on service and have to work on brakes.. Hopefully they just didn't have time to touch them, not being late to TC..

Evans still 1.4 faster, can't beat these Toyotas with Hyundai

[Eli]

Not much sense to send Sordo in a fast gravel event; he would be at best 6th tonight (and maybe worse considering how much time he didn’t drive on fast gravel). Belgium could be more an acceptable bet but clearly not a gift when we see what happened last year to drivers with no experience there.

Not saying promoting Solberg was a good idea but clearly, if you don’t put him here, you won’t put him anywhere.

So? You don’t put him anywhere, doesn’t seem like much of a loss, perhaps just the sponsorship money. Besides having Sordo in Ypres wouldn’t be the worse idea, he knows his way around getting the points when he doesn’t know the event.

[EstWRC]

Evans even crazier!

Kalle wasn’t that commited and Tänak and Evans

[bandit12]

Did i hear correctly? All live mentioned some kind of oil leak from Tänak's car after stage end interview

[Sproaks]

Transmission oil they said

[Rallyper]

What happened to Lindholm late yesterday?

[Hüttünen]

What happened to Lindholm late yesterday?

He got crushed by Huttunen. Mentally.

[TypeR]

this photo sums up the current situation in Hyundai pretty good at the moment..
https://www.upload.ee/image/14330498/Screenshot_20220716-101507_Instagram.jpg

[Rallyper]

He got crushed by Huttunen. Mentally.


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