[ERC] Rally Hungary

[Andre Oliveira]

Sordo in

https://rallyhungary.com/hirek/a-wrc-meno-dani-sordo-is-indul-a-rally-hungary-n?fbclid=IwAR0_4xc2_vegddtV2ipSLUpyp1Q0FdAwfrXhIOi kQxdQo-2q8u5uvLuwDJg

[PLuto]

It is not correct info. Dani will not start in Hungary.

[mknight]

Huttunen then?

Cause without Lukyanuk the entry list is starting to look quite empty.

[RS]

Will Kopecky and Ostberg be there? They were doing Hungarian championship.

[PLuto]

Will Kopecky and Ostberg be there? They were doing Hungarian championship.

I think programme of Kopecky in hungarian championship when they have moved events to the dates which were in clash with his original programme. Like putting Vertes Rally to same date like Barum...

[PLuto]

But dont worry, entry list will be interesting. And it will be worth to watch ;)

[Jarek Z]

Miko Marczyk (Skoda Fabia Rally2) confirmed.

[Jarek Z]

One week before Rally Hungary Marczyk is going to compete in Rally Kosice in Slovakia (October 16-17). Despite being second in ERC he is also leading Polish championship and it is the last round. He said that Rally Kosice is held just 40 km away from the stages of Rally Hungary, so he will use this rally as a way to prepare for the ERC round.

Looking at the entry list he is the only ERC driver that had this idea:
https://kosice.rallye.sk/sites/kosice.rallye.sk/files/field/documents/entrylist_rke21.pdf

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBbWYlDWYAIsNld?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBbWYlAXoBIaNAt?format=jpg&name=medium

[mknight]

Østberg and Gryazin. So might be some nice fight between them.

Mikkelsen needs to defeat Llarena in classification of one leg to secure title, so I doubt he will push on Saturday. Whether there will be some fight with them on Sunday depends on the time difference I guess.

[Lead]

Thats a really nice start list.

[Danny0405]

Østberg and Gryazin. So might be some nice fight between them.

Mikkelsen needs to defeat Llarena in classification of one leg to secure title, so I doubt he will push on Saturday. Whether there will be some fight with them on Sunday depends on the time difference I guess.

To be precise, Mikkelsen will be champion as soon as Saturday night if he beats Llarena in the first leg + he is in the top 5 of the first leg (he needs both conditions).
But I agree globally with you, he will probably take a steady approach in the first leg to secure the title (should be okay looking at Barum and his last year Hungary rally) all the more than he is not planned to do Canarias (but might change as he may clinch WRC-2 title tomorrow) so no big sense to risk everything during the Saturday. And then, he will probably push hard on Sunday.

Except if he is in a logic that he is already champion because let’s tell the truth, it is not really probable (and even possible) that Llarena could score 75 points on the last two rallies, especially with the competition in Hungary and even with his last year Hungary performance.

[RS]

Is Gryazin in a Toksport Fabia for Hungary?

[Jarek Z]

To be precise, Mikkelsen will be champion as soon as Saturday night if he beats Llarena in the first leg + he is in the top 5 of the first leg (he needs both conditions).
But I agree globally with you, he will probably take a steady approach in the first leg to secure the title (should be okay looking at Barum and his last year Hungary rally) all the more than he is not planned to do Canarias (but might change as he may clinch WRC-2 title tomorrow) so no big sense to risk everything during the Saturday. And then, he will probably push hard on Sunday.

Except if he is in a logic that he is already champion because let’s tell the truth, it is not really probable (and even possible) that Llarena could score 75 points on the last two rallies, especially with the competition in Hungary and even with his last year Hungary performance.

Mikkelsen has just won WRC2 championship (without even going to Catalunya). Now he needs just a few points to win ERC too and his plan for the seson will be fulfilled. But did he make it in the style that he was expecting?

[Got Mail]

Is Gryazin in a Toksport Fabia for Hungary?

I heard it maybe a Citroen....

[RS]

I heard it maybe a Citroen....

He really is trying everything then!

[mknight]

To try everything he needs to drive the new Hyundai in Monza.

[tommeke_B]

So Gryazin with Polo R5 anyway... :)

Looking forward to the event, going to spectate there for the first time. The stages look great with a lot of variety in it.

[Mirek]

Btw. Marczyk won neighbouring Slovak Rally Košice last weekend. Košice is definitely a good test for Nyíregyháza event.

EDIT: Semerád will not start.

[dimviii]

Nikolay Gryazin will make his Rally Hungary debut with a special livery dedicated to the people that have helped him the most during the 2021 season.

https://www.fiaerc.com/hungary-for-erc-gryazin-reveals-special-livery/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

QS times:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/68544-rally-hungary-2021/

Road position choosing starts soon.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Live streamed stages:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCTzP6dWQAkykyq?format=jpg&name=small

[dimviii]

FIA ERC
@FIAERC
Seems @AMikkelsenRally
's cat ran away again... Smiling face with open mouth and cold sweatBlack cat
#FIAERC #RallyHungary

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCUV8dKWUAcRgci?format=jpg&name=medium

[Ciko]

SS1 live:
https://youtu.be/ucW1EOz_YBk

[mknight]

I agree with Østberg for once.
The right lane had watersplash mid in their run while the left had it on the final straight, as a result fastest cars all started in left lane. (1-4, 6, 9)
Anyway it's just a 1-1,5s difference max it seems. Not like Azores.

[Sulland]

What happened to Solans?

[RS]

What happened to Solans?

Don’t know but should be restarting today.

[Mirek]

According to rally-base he is out with technical problems :(

[Lead]

Don’t know but should be restarting today.
Wont start today, electrical problems with the car.

[Mirek]

High speed off for Ostberg, also a puncture for Turán, Bonato, Scandola and Herzig. engine issue for Mikkelsen at the end of SS3.

[Sulland]

Mikkelsen says he is out with engine problems.
That is not often the Skoda engine gives in.

[Lead]

Mikkelsen says he is out with engine problems.
That is not often the Skoda engine gives in.
Its the same car/engine with who Bulacia drove in Spain?

[Mirek]

From the description it may not be an engine problem but a throttle one. We'll see, maybe they can fix it.

By the way Pajari and Franceschi were faster than Torn on SS2.

[Lead]

A wire problem for Mikkelsen, so nothing is lost yet. Needs to get through one stage and then the service.

[Mirek]

Marczyk just overshot a junction on a helicam. He said he had only FWD. Gryazin was off in high speed. Turán spun. Ostberg very vocal about spectators in very dangerous places. Double puncture for Scandola. Engine issues for Cais. Csomós spun.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Cais & Hadik going well in the Fiesta's this morning, both in the Top 4. Cais having a small car problem but still closest to Gryazin.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCYXu7yWYAULWzv?format=jpg&name=medium

[Lead]

Ostberg is such a complain machine. When his car works, then he finds and complains about spectators (says someone is going to be killed, FIA need to cancel the stage?). No other driver even mentions any problems with spectators.

[Mirek]

Ostberg is such a complain machine. When his car works, then he finds and complains about spectators (says someone is going to be killed, FIA need to cancel the stage?). No other driver even mentions any problems with spectators.

Sorry but that's nonsene what you just wrote.

First of all the crowds in that crazy dangerous place were clearly visible on the streamed footage. Second there were several other drivers complaining, including locals Herzig (who directly adressed the spectators directly in both English and Hungarian asking them to behave carefully), Turán and one another whom I don't remember.

The stage was later stopped and ambulance passed it. I don't know if it was related to some accident with spectators. I hope not.

[Walach]

I am the last one who would normally defend Ostberg, but there were a plenty of spectators standing in highly risky places at the TV stage alone.
Herczig also asked the spectators to behave responsibly in his end of stage interview.

[Fan1]

I belive it was Ken Torn

Sorry but that's nonsene what you just wrote.

First of all the crowds in that crazy dangerous place were clearly visible on the streamed footage. Second there were several other drivers complaining, including locals Herzig (who directly adressed the spectators directly in both English and Hungarian asking them to behave carefully), Turán and one another whom I don't remember.

The stage was later stopped and ambulance passed it. I don't know if it was related to some accident with spectators. I hope not.

[Lead]

Sorry but that's nonsene what you just wrote.

First of all the crowds in that crazy dangerous place were clearly visible on the streamed footage. Second there were several other drivers complaining, including locals Herzig (who directly adressed the spectators directly in both English and Hungarian asking them to behave carefully), Turán and one another whom I don't remember.

The stage was later stopped and ambulance passed it. I don't know if it was related to some accident with spectators. I hope not.
I watched stage end interviews till Herczig, so Ostberg was only one who complained, so if there was more drivers, ok, my bad. It was just sooo dramatic by him (and if the place was so crazy dangerous) then they should cancelled the stage immediately.

[Mirek]

I watched stage end interviews till Herczig, so Ostberg was only one who complained, so if there was more drivers, ok, my bad. It was just sooo dramatic by him (and if the place was so crazy dangerous) then they should cancelled the stage immediately.

Nobody cancels any stage based on a youtube interview. Stages are being canceled when problems are reported by marshals or stewards. When there are no marshals, nobody reports anything (that was the case here). Compains from drivers are being addressed by stewards only ex-post and only if handed in a more official way than talking on youtube.

[Lead]

Nobody cancels any stage based on a youtube interview. Stages are being canceled when problems are reported by marshals or stewards. When there are no marshals, nobody reports anything (that was the case here). Compains from drivers are being addressed by stewards only ex-post and only if handed in a more official way than talking on youtube.

Isnt there marshals in heli ?
I dont know which exact place in the stage Ostberg or other drivers reffered to, but if it was that place seen from heli (a long straight with people near the road), marshals (in heli) could make decision?

EDIT: I'm always for safety first.

[Mirek]

Isnt there marshals in heli ?

Marshall for sure not and most likely not even any steward or safety official. That is rather rare thing. I haven't visited many ERC events but a safety helicopter used to be only used in Ypres and a very long time ago in Barum (more than ten years ago).

Anyway you need marshalls on stage to keep order not in a helicopter. Helicopter doesn't work because everybody simply waits until it passes (that's how it worked in Ypres). You have to take into account that a safety helicopter can not just hoower over one stage. It needs to check the whole loop hence why it works in a same way as a safety crew driving the stage before start. The only advantage of the helicopter is better visibility but sometimes also with misleading angle of view.

[Mirek]

Brutal time from Cais!

He had small engine issues during the first loop and now it should be all ok.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Awesome stage by Cais and he takes the lead o/a ! :)

[Mirek]

Cais changing wheel

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Cais :(

[Mirek]

Vinyes crashed on a live heli cam. LR wheel torn away. Csomós also punctured.

[Lead]

Its crazy how many punctures drivers are getting...

[Mirek]

Mikkelsen had a puncture and if I am not mistaken he's not yet a champion after the leg 1.

Velenczei also puncture.

Bonato and Cais again warning spectators (in the same place as in the first run).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCZNNKtXsAMSF0z?format=jpg&name=medium

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ostberg up to 3rd, Mikkelsen down to 7th.

[Tom K]

Mikkelsen had a puncture and if I am not mistaken he's not yet a champion after the leg 1.



According to rules, he could not be a champion today, unless Llarena retired from the whole rally. Points for leg 1 are given when car is in final parc ferme.

[RS]

Shame about Cais’ puncture, he seems to be the real deal. Very fast here, on Catalunya and of course on Barum.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport @MSportLtd

Showing the true speed of the Fiesta Rally2 @CaisRally has been fighting hard for stage wins on @FIAERC @RallyHungary.

Taking the lead after SS5 until a puncture after SS6 :( There’s still a long way to go and he’s showing no signs of giving up yet

[Mirek]

Herzig crashed and the stage is interrupted. Torn retired with technical problems.

[dimviii]

Bonato Yoann - Boulloud Benjamin
"I think this rally is a joke, we had an ambulance in the stage, we had no red flag, no marshalls giving signals. It was funny driving behind the ambualnce, but its driver was not fast enough to win the rally..."

[Lead]

Bonato Yoann - Boulloud Benjamin
"I think this rally is a joke, we had an ambulance in the stage, we had no red flag, no marshalls giving signals. It was funny driving behind the ambualnce, but its driver was not fast enough to win the rally..."

:D

P.S. Mikkelsen doing everything to make his life harder.

[Lead]

Ostberg yesterday high speed mistake... was very lucky to escape that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilGGkDLfL-Q&t=9s

[dimviii]

Ostberg yesterday high speed mistake... was very lucky to escape that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilGGkDLfL-Q&t=9s

shitty pirellis not grip at all.
Nobody went to help him?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Looking for Herczig's crashed Skoda...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVaOLolDYSo/?utm_medium=twitter

https://www.fiaerc.com/erc-home-hero-herczig-it-was-as-if-the-ground-had-been-pulled-out-from-under-the-car/

[Jarek Z]

Bonato Yoann - Boulloud Benjamin
"I think this rally is a joke, we had an ambulance in the stage, we had no red flag, no marshalls giving signals. It was funny driving behind the ambualnce, but its driver was not fast enough to win the rally..."

That's funny, but to be honest Bonato is not fast enough either :)

[Lead]

That's funny, but to be honest Bonato is not fas enough either :)

He has a few top5 times in last stages, so the pace has improved. But dont want to see ambulance driver anymore :) (I'm glad Herczig and his co-driver is Ok).
Its Gryazin's rally to loose now.

[Danny0405]

Pajari seems to have improved on tarmac, I thought it would be complicated for him in JWRC andERC3 Junior as there were only tarmac events.
Still, the title is not done in ERC3 Junior as it is best 5 out of 6 and Franceschi had a retirement (so a best improvement margin in Canarias).
I would have a small preference for Franceschi as Pajari has yet won some drives for next year thanks to JWRC and Franceschi had some issues to build a budget for this year (+ would show Clio is a good car so would strengthen the competition in Rally4 car).

Good job by Gryazin; for Mikkelsen, he cannot do maximum attack today as he lost the daily top 5 yesterday because of his late puncture (would have clinched the title).
Cais what a speed for his experience; if he can become consistent, he will be a WRC driver quite early (a couple of years).

[RS]

Looking for Herczig's crashed Skoda...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVaOLolDYSo/?utm_medium=twitter

https://www.fiaerc.com/erc-home-hero-herczig-it-was-as-if-the-ground-had-been-pulled-out-from-under-the-car/

They just showed stage side and on board clips on ERC Live on Youtube, Mikkelsen had an issue there too. Unlucky such a relatively minor accident caused such injuries to the co-driver.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Chris Rawes @chrisrawes

⁦Today we close an incredible 9 year ⁦@FIAERC chapter.
⁦
@The_Rally_Guru⁩ this is the last time we will work together reporting the sport we love in the current format.

Julian it has been an absolute honour to work with you, thank you for everything.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen now just 0.1s ahead of Llarena.

[RS]

Chris Rawes @chrisrawes

⁦Today we close an incredible 9 year ⁦@FIAERC chapter.
⁦
@The_Rally_Guru⁩ this is the last time we will work together reporting the sport we love in the current format.

Julian it has been an absolute honour to work with you, thank you for everything.

I am curious to see what is coming next year for ERC under the new promoter, hopefully they'll continue to produce excellent videos like this as well as continuing/improving the live Youtube stuff:

https://youtu.be/Go6MWm9ckQk

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I am curious to see what is coming next year for ERC under the new promoter, hopefully they'll continue to produce excellent videos like this as well as continuing/improving the live Youtube stuff:

https://youtu.be/Go6MWm9ckQk

I hope so too, although I fear it going behind another paywall..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hungary in the Fall :cool:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCeBD08X0BA5pu6?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCeBHBwXMBI0vxc?format=jpg&name=medium

And at sun-down...

https://d2np1px3e8f3t5.cloudfront.net/f0/1100x800_max/f0179f11aced80c5fb07138b781d1297

https://d2np1px3e8f3t5.cloudfront.net/77/1100x800_max/776f8d7531b1c9e637fb69f5d6199369

https://www.fiaerc.com/photos/?fid=1425-rally-hungary

[m-ast]

15 minutes Penalty for Gryazin:
https://storage.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/sportity-storage/o/879004d2-cff0-4699-b4b3-ce484ebe9dc2%2F43e29376-b03c-4021-ae7b-9b3da65a7d99_Doc.%20N.%202.17%20-%20Decision%20N.%2016.pdf?generation=1635106527346 109&alt=media

[Lead]

15 minutes Penalty for Gryazin:
https://storage.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/sportity-storage/o/879004d2-cff0-4699-b4b3-ce484ebe9dc2%2F43e29376-b03c-4021-ae7b-9b3da65a7d99_Doc.%20N.%202.17%20-%20Decision%20N.%2016.pdf?generation=1635106527346 109&alt=media

Wow... what a way to loose a rally win. This was because he didnt stop to make sure Herczig's co-driver is Ok?

[aattiillaa89]

Ramón, Herczig's codriver sustained a fractured rib, but he was released from the hospital. A longer video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC44INRyAhY
And his son in the same place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twDzdFgHxb0

Bassas crash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgeaVVjrzN4

[Mirek]

A crazy video from a crazy event: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igEciesak90

[tommeke_B]

Had a great event too, will post some photos and short resume later tonight. Video from my mate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-0I937nJWM

[WRCStan]

I hope so too, although I fear it going behind another paywall..

Paywall or not, whatever their plans are for ERC I personally wish WRC would absorb the visual stopline radio/monologue-style now and again, even just one stage a day. It's been said many times before that rally-radio is preferable, because it works. 100% commentary and footage is obviously good but it's mostly rally racing with rather formulaic stage end interviews. I think Chris and Julian better present the area, the challenge of the rally and roads when talking to themselves and they also get so much more out of the drivers in this format. It's enjoyable even when talking about the Azorean dairy industry or wandering off to have a look at a ski-lift whilst waiting for the first car but maybe I'm alone in that. Personally I hope WRC.P sign Chris up.

[tommeke_B]

So small resume. First time at Rally Hungary for me. From last two years the stages looked amazing, and they didn't disappoint. A lot of variety. Shakedown was relatively boring, with a lot of straights and junctions, I thought. It was a surprise to arrive at some gravel section from which you'd think you are in a rally in The Netherlands. Some tightening medium-fast lefthander with a lot of gravel made things very interesting for the qualifying. Friday night the superspecial was quite nice, never been a fan of it, but it was really enjoyable. On saturday we did 2x the SS Ujhuta on a gravel section, and SS Mad in the vineyards. Some amazing action on both stages, the only place that was less interesting than expected was some left-right-left combination, well-known from many videos from last years. Action in the vineyards was amazing, at one long fast lefthander with a big cut, the road was full of gravel, Ostberg had some huge moment there. Sunday ended with 3x SS Erdobenye, all nice places, once on the wide road, once on the narrow part towards the finish, it resembles some Barum-roads (like Trojak) quite a lot. On one spot the tarmac was extremely slippy, Ostberg had some big moment there as well. All in all great event, and fantastic action from RC2-cars (also the locals) and from the junior drivers. The level of competition in ERC is very, very high.

Only small downside to the event was that in terms of organization it was a complete disaster. I haven't seen anything worse in my life. On shakedown they started dropping off a few marshalls around time the stage should have normally started. When we arrived at stage you could easily drive onto it if you wanted to, maybe 15 minutes before the start. Then some car from the fire brigade passed, and 5-10 minutes later Gryazin was on the stage. Before qualifying the only safety car was 000. On saturday's 4 stages combined I saw one marshall. I was also at one place where the drivers complained about, rightly so. There were more than 100 people at a fast downhill corner, no stewards in sight, even while there was an access road to that place. Few minutes before the first car people started standing less than a meter from the road, some were completely drunk. After a few cars I stowed away my camera and started just watching a bit further away. Sunday was a bit better, also less spectators than on Saturday, on the places we were. Maybe half of them had a headache from drinking too much the day before.

Some photos:

https://scontent.fbru4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/248665224_6772692879409207_7549936337335853834_n.j pg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=NZssB8oBDtIAX-NN_YW&_nc_ht=scontent.fbru4-1.fna&oh=55dc907f2bf76c44e4297c523619dbfc&oe=619DC0D6

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My album: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?vanity=rallyimage&set=a.6772731156072046

[PLuto]

Paywall or not, whatever their plans are for ERC I personally wish WRC would absorb the visual stopline radio/monologue-style now and again, even just one stage a day. It's been said many times before that rally-radio is preferable, because it works. 100% commentary and footage is obviously good but it's mostly rally racing with rather formulaic stage end interviews. I think Chris and Julian better present the area, the challenge of the rally and roads when talking to themselves and they also get so much more out of the drivers in this format. It's enjoyable even when talking about the Azorean dairy industry or wandering off to have a look at a ski-lift whilst waiting for the first car but maybe I'm alone in that. Personally I hope WRC.P sign Chris up.

ERC Rally Radio is over after Rally Islas Canarias...

[m-ast]

ERC Rally Radio is over after Rally Islas Canarias...

That's a real shame

[Fast Eddie WRC]

ERC Rally Radio is over after Rally Islas Canarias...

Any knowledge of what we will have next year Pluto ?

[rp]

ERC+ next year?

[PLuto]

Any knowledge of what we will have next year Pluto ?

Nobody knows anything...

[RS]

Nice feature from Mikkelsen’s eventful Hungary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfj1VRMHTJ8

[mknight]

Well if you watch it together with his own vlog it was indeed eventfull.

https://youtu.be/LTld3T9ztXA

On the vlog it seems that the car he got (Bulacias from Spain, crashed on powerstage), arrived in pretty bad shape and wasn't straight for the pre even test, then got engine issues due to a damaged cable on Saturday morning.
Originally he was supposed to drive the one Stritesky had.

[PLuto]

Originally he was supposed to drive the one Stritesky had.

Stritesky was using winning car of Mikkelsen from Fafe.