[WRC] Rallye Monte Carlo 2021

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice lead for Evans now.

[Sulland]

Much Intecom failiure these days.
Not sure what makes them fail, why not double them apart from the Helmet parts, that they need to have spares for in the car.

So if the intercom starts to fall out, just swap the cable into the helmet for both and see if that set works, if not they have to scream/signal for that stage and repair on transport.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier:
"We had a puncture. There are many cuts in the stage. We took no special line, but we knew these tyres were weak for punctures and unfortunately it happened already"

[dupanton]

Now Gryazin likely went off in the same place. He continues as well.

And now also Camilli.

Anyone can tell me where it (roughly) is?

[wwbroe]

Anyone can tell me where it (roughly) is?

Apparently,shortly after start of stage, some 600 meters in the stage.

[meh]

Tänak to Estonian media (about what kind of changes/improvements is possible to do during lunch break): "at the end car is car, you can not change man to woman."

https://sport.delfi.ee/news/auto/wrc/delfi-video-prantsusmaalt-ott-tanak-enne-hoolduspausi-auto-on-auto-meest-naiseks-ei-muuda?id=92336047

[Negaiss]

Rally Region is getting engulfed by heavy rain. https://meteologix.com/lv/radar-hd/rhone-alpes/20210122-1130z.html

[meh]

Now we can see Ogier pushing, because if he want to win, he need to make lost time back.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

'Welsh' conditions should suit Evans... ;)

[EstWRC]

Ogier going for it or the conditons again working for his favour

[dupanton]

Yes I can confirm, a lot of rain.

[meh]

Neuville fastest (of 4) in 1st split

Evans lost 13sec split 3

[EstWRC]

Evans +13, Ogier again mastering it

[TypeR]

Ogier's rear left (stud) seemed like puncture/empty? no?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wow and Evans is usually good on wet tarmac.

[meh]

ooj ooj, Ogier is da master. (Tänak is losing even more than Evans)

[EstWRC]

Tänak loses even more

[ZequeArgentina]

ooj ooj, Ogier is da master. (Tänak is losing even more than Evans)

When he pushes and take risks, he is really fastest in these special
Conditions. No doubt


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[Augury]

Tanak having problems with the car again. windscreen misting up.

[Mirek]

Great time by Kalle Rovanperä.

[Mirek]

Sordo woke up finally.

[Lead]

And Sordo comes alive.

[Rallyper]

Sordo needed a couple of stages to get speed and rhytm. Normal thing. Can apply on myself back in the days... Three four rallies local rallies ever y weekend in a row made me quite fast... :) :)

[EstWRC]

So Ogier won all stages today....

E: not, Evans got one

[T16]

That's a cracking time for Greensmith.

[Mirek]

Loubet crashed in a hairpin.

[Rallyper]

Loubet big off.

[jonkka]

That's a cracking time for Greensmith.

Que? You mean, Greensmith is going to crack?

[Rallyper]

Nasty one for Loubet

[EstWRC]

day 2 https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/41079-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2021/?leg=2

[T16]

Que? You mean, Greensmith is going to crack?

He was less than a minute off the pace on that stage.

[Rallyper]

Solberg testing full speed, but something happened. Lost over one minute between split 1 - 2

Edit: red flag for Loubet

[T16]

Solberg testing full speed, but something happened. Lost over one minute between split 1 - 2

What do you mean by testing full speed?

[Mirek]

Looks like the stage was red flagged after Fourmaux.

[Rallyper]

What do you mean by testing full speed?

Faster than Mikkelsen on 1st split

And for sure he wants to learn and take it easy too, but for sure tried to push for a bit.

[AnttiL]

Faster than Mikkelsen on 1st split

So the time loss was just reacting to red flag

[meh]

Latvala is hired to talk, Kaj Lindström is the actual Boss in the Toyota :)

[Rallyper]

So the time loss was just reacting to red flag

Yeah.

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsVtQaSWMAAcsU4?format=jpg&name=small

[dupanton]

Stage cancelled

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Fourmaux:
"There may be some snow tomorrow and a lot of things could change."

[dupanton]

Fourmaux:
"There may be some snow tomorrow and a lot of things could change."

Yes, cold weather this night. On +1000m I think there will be some snow but bigger problem will be (black) ice.

[Rallyper]

Exciting but early morning tomorrow for us fans. Even earlier for some... ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Oliver Solberg:
Now we wait and see if the snow comes overnight to cover the 3 stages we tackle tomorrow - I have my fingers crossed !

[EstWRC]

Ogier really wanting to win this, sayin it himself in the media area, that he is also taking risks for it

MEDIA ZONE: OGIER

"This afternoon was like expected. Much more muddy and degraded conditions compared to the first pass. It was still enjoyable to drive with the winter tyres. Of course, for us, the big issue was the puncture which cost us a lot of time, but I think we did the best we could do today.
"I came here to win this rally and I'm going to do everything to make that happen. I think we were pretty unlucky with the puncture but there is nothing we can do about that."

[EstWRC]

MEDIA ZONE: TÄNAK

"The main thing is we are here. It's been a demanding day and every hour the conditions have been changing. It's only Friday and there are two days to go, so it's far too early to focus on position. It's more important to focus on how to manage these kinds of conditions.

"It's obviously not working today. Maybe different roads and different characteristics. We are okay on the uphill roads, but on the downhill bits we are missing a lot and there is a big job for the engineers to find out what is happening. It's mostly in the downhill braking sections where I am not getting any feedback."

[denkimi]

It's only Friday and there are two days to go, so it's far too early to focus on position.
Its friday noon and there's only 111km of stages left.

Pretty pathetic for a world class rally.

[AnttiL]

Its friday noon and there's only 111km of stages left.

Pretty pathetic for a world class rally.

But plenty of liaisons!

[pantealex]

Stage cancelled

No, only interrupted

Times are coming now.

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTYptgyVcHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R06OiB1Jm4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEU00sdG9hw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g3dLqEhj6Y

[Mirek]

Its friday noon and there's only 111km of stages left.

Pretty pathetic for a world class rally.

Better to have no rally at all? It's Covid times you know...

[AnttiL]

Better to have no rally at all? It's Covid times you know...

But only one 20 km stage was cancelled because of COVID. Saturday is short because they take the long liaison to Monaco (and because Thursday has also plenty of stage kilometres)

[denkimi]

Better to have no rally at all? It's Covid times you know...
They had those stupid itinerarys before covid times. Streching into 5 days what could be done in 3.

What's even the point of tomorrow? 3 stages, only 50 km's, starting at 5 in the morning to end before noon? Ridiculous.

[mknight]

No, only interrupted

Times are coming now.

Some really weird times getting assigned to those who started the stage and didn't finish at speed. Most notably Camilli's time is strange he was 4th Rally2 in first split and gets 2nd time at the end?

EDIT: It's time of first pass + 20, which is what Mikkelsen dropped.

[AnttiL]

They had those stupid itinerarys before covid times. Streching into 5 days what could be done in 3.

What's even the point of tomorrow? 3 stages, only 50 km's, starting at 5 in the morning to end before noon? Ridiculous.

To be in Monaco before 6PM

[Tom K]

No, only interrupted

Times are coming now.

Quite interesting how Camilli, Gryazin and Solberg got a uniqe time being red-flagged.
Moreover look at splits. For example Ciamin -> + 7 minutes on fifth split and + 1.34 in the finish.

Edit: From wrc.com WRC 3 review:

The day-ending Chalancon - Gumiane stage was red-flagged by event organisers following WRC driver Pierre Louis Loubet’s crash and all WRC3 crews were handed notional times.

[Mirek]

But only one 20 km stage was cancelled because of COVID. Saturday is short because they take the long liaison to Monaco (and because Thursday has also plenty of stage kilometres)

The original itinerary was created also in Covid time. It was here already during previous edition. None of us knows what kind of problems they had to solve during the year, what kind of conditions all officials, sponsors, promoter, etc. had, but we can be sure that organizing 2021 edition was definitely harder than 2020 already from the beginning.

[dupanton]

It was cancelled. Notional times for all cars behind, they passed as liaison.
Apparently it wasn't too hard to pass, so stage could have maybe run..

[AnttiL]

The original itinerary was created also in Covid time. It was here already during previous edition. None of us knows what kind of problems they had to solve during the year, what kind of conditions all officials, sponsors, promoter, etc. had, but we can be sure that organizing 2021 edition was definitely harder than 2020 already from the beginning.

But surely no 6-6 curfew in the summer when the original itinerary was created.

[dupanton]

They don’t follow the curfew. Impossible for the teams to stay in between these hours. They made it less late in the evening, but like today almost no cars in parc ferme at this time. And in the morning it’s even worst, service crews leave at 3 am or something.

[AnttiL]

They don’t follow the curfew. Impossible for the teams to stay in between these hours. They made it less late in the evening, but like today almost no cars in parc ferme at this time. And in the morning it’s even worst, service crews leave at 3 am or something.

But they can say to the media that the rally runs within the curfew, and that's what matters.

[AdvEvo]

I mostly watch the relive on wrc plus.

After ogier, tanak, evans, kalle, neuville, and maybe suninen i play the next stage.

I can’t pay attention to the paid drivers. 45 sec behind in a stage. Please make room for new talent.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The three hour breaks between loops could surely have been reduced and they wouldnt need these super-early starts ?

There's no corporate people at the SP so why still 3 hours ?

[Co-driven]

The three hour breaks between loops could surely have been reduced and they wouldnt need these super-early starts ?

There's no corporate people at the SP so why still 3 hours ?

Maybe there are other issues we, as spectators, can't think of. For example, maybe the plane needs time to go back, land, refuel and take-off again.

[Tom K]

But they can say to the media that the rally runs within the curfew, and that's what matters.

It seems plan was that no rally car will be on stage between 6pm and 6am. Plus 50 cars will arrive to Monte Carlo on Saturday before 6pm.

The rest of the activities are "invisible" for those not familiar with rally schedule.

[EstWRC]

if somebody didnt see this Tänak moment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykklwi3KslY

[AnttiL]

The three hour breaks between loops could surely have been reduced and they wouldnt need these super-early starts ?

There's no corporate people at the SP so why still 3 hours ?

It's not a three hour break.

SS5 starts at 9.01. It takes about 15 minutes for the crews to complete it. Then there's a one hour liaison back to the service park. We're talking about 10.20 or something. Then there's a media zone and some regrouping for 30 minutes before entering service at 10:56. Service takes 40 minutes. Then you're already in a hurry to refuel and start SS6 at 12.17, which is preceded a 30-40 minute liaison.

Maybe you could take 30 minutes of media zone / regrouping activity away but I don't think it would be worth the effort.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier spin on puncture at 4.30 in:

https://youtu.be/3g3dLqEhj6Y

[TypeR]

Ogier spin on puncture at 4.30 in:

https://youtu.be/3g3dLqEhj6Y
Front left totally gone off the rim.. 10kg weight save :D

[EstWRC]

stage guide for tomorrow https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/monte-carlo-rally-saturday-stage-guide/

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoKzut2eGtI&feature=youtu.be

[dimviii]

“We were more competitive in the latter part of last season and currently we are dominated and that’s not what we want when we come to rallies. Tonight I'm going to try to sort out everyone's ideas. »Says ADAMO

[itix]

Hyundai just didn't fit his driving style. The level of driving which gives you dominance in WRC2 doesn't automatically make you win rallies over Ogier, Neuville and Tänak. Everything needs to be perfect.This isn't just a Hyundai phenomenon.

He was the slowest polo by far for years until vw decided to pull out and he needed to find a new employer.

Suddenly he woke up and started setting some decent pace, even winning his first rally.

[itix]

Something struck me now (I have been busy at work and I'm watching the stages a bit behind you guys).

Does Neuvilles new co-driver read the notes in French or in flemmish? From what I remember, Neuville speak French, flemmish and German.

[TypeR]

Ogier spin on puncture at 4.30 in:

https://youtu.be/3g3dLqEhj6Y


Something struck me now (I have been busy at work and I'm watching the stages a bit behind you guys).

Does Neuvilles new co-driver read the notes in French or in flemmish? From what I remember, Neuville speak French, flemmish and German.
If needed, he reads the notes in Neuvillesh.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

-3 to -4 degrees forecast tonight. All that rain in the area today will freeze on the roads, plus light snow on top. Should be exciting.

[itix]

If needed, he reads the notes in Neuvillesh.Meaning?
A mix of flemmish French and German?

Nicolas read them in French only.

[dupanton]

Meaning?
A mix of flemmish French and German?

Nicolas read them in French only.

Neuville is native German speaking. Learned French when started rallying for the Belgian national team. Gilsoul is French speaking. Wydaeghe is Dutch speaking.

The notes are 100% french

[mknight]

This isn't just a Hyundai phenomenon.

He was the slowest polo by far for years until vw decided to pull out and he needed to find a new employer.

Suddenly he woke up and started setting some decent pace, even winning his first rally.

BS, Mikkelsen was clearly faster than Latvala in 2016.

He won first rally in 2015, second in June 2016 and had contract until end of 2017.

VW announced they will pull out at end of October 2016, so 12 months after he won first rally and 4 months after he won second.

=> Basically nothing that you wrote is true.

Not to mention his 2nd place in C3 beating both teammates as well as Ogier.

[itix]

BS, Mikkelsen was clearly faster than Latvala in 2016.

He won first rally in 2015, second in June 2016 and had contract until end of 2017.

VW announced they will pull out at end of October 2016, so 12 months after he won first rally and 4 months after he won second.

=> Basically nothing that you wrote is true.

Not to mention his 2nd place in C3 beating both teammates as well as Ogier.From what I remember he was gifted the first win due to something.

I disagree that he was faster than Latvala. Latvala had a multitude of wins in the vw. Mikkelsen was consistently the slowest of the vw and often the only vw that the other teams managed to beat.

[EstWRC]

I shall get my popcorn now.

This is gonna be interesting

[TypeR]

-First win was 2015 ,,thanks,, to Ogier's PS crash..
-Second win was ,,thanks,, to Tänak's Dmack puncrure
-Third win was first ,,proper,, win..

[mknight]

From what I remember he was gifted the first win due to something.

I disagree that he was faster than Latvala. Latvala had a multitude of wins in the vw. Mikkelsen was consistently the slowest of the vw and often the only vw that the other teams managed to beat.

You were wrong, either on purpose or you didn't remember, now you trying to go around it. Mikkelsen was indeed "gifted" first win by Ogier crashing. Similarly Mikkelsen "gifted" Ogier win in Sweden 2015 just 9 months before by going in the snowbank on last stage.

In 2016 he was clearly faster than Latvala.

Note that first full season in WRC was in VW in 2014 (and part of 2013) at that point Latvala was on his 7th and 8th WRC season, Ogier on 5th and 6th and two times world champion.

[dimviii]

WRCWings
@llluis555
No more cooling issues with leaves at @MSportLtd
with the new grill protection of the Ford Fiesta WRC #WRC #WRClive #WRCliveES #RallyeMonteCarlo2021 #RallyeMonteCarlo


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsVLgZYXAAAgW8I?format=jpg&name=small

[dimviii]

Jari-Matti Latvala
@JariMattiWRC
The drivers and the team did an excellent job today! This was my first proper day at the office and I really enjoyed it

I feel more nervous to follow the race compared to the time I was driving myself! That’s a new thing!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsW0eU-XEAE1HEB?format=jpg&name=small

[dimviii]

warming tyres/brakes before stage

https://twitter.com/RubnPerez/status/1352703302274854913

[denkimi]

To be in Monaco before 6PM
6 hours to return to monaco?

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsWuduPXIAAaqdL?format=jpg&name=large

[Katvala]

Tomorrow will be a very short day unfortunately, with the bulk of the stages already through. Sunday will have one additional stage (4) but even less mileage than tomorrow.

I miss the longer rallies that we had, even just a couple years ago!

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[Morte66]

It seems weird that the bulk of the stages are on Friday, when many people have work, and they shorten Saturday when those people have a day off to watch.

There must be a reason for this. Can anyone explain?

[dimviii]

It seems weird that the bulk of the stages are on Friday, when many people have work, and they shorten Saturday when those people have a day off to watch.

There must be a reason for this. Can anyone explain?

because covid=done on purpose to avoid spectators

[dimviii]

WRC service park damaged by storm on Friday night

Extreme weather hit the Gap area in the evening and ripped through Monte Carlo Rally service park infrastructure

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-service-park-damaged-by-storm-on-friday-night/

[dimviii]

yesterday we had a conversation about Neuvilles new co-driver,and trying to read a bit deeper at his interviews.
Hope now is clear.

But yeah, Martijn is improving. Still a bit of work, but he’s very motivated and he knows what I’m asking for.”

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/adamo-takes-the-hit-for-poor-hyundai-tire-choice/

[itix]

You were wrong, either on purpose or you didn't remember, now you trying to go around it. Mikkelsen was indeed "gifted" first win by Ogier crashing. Similarly Mikkelsen "gifted" Ogier win in Sweden 2015 just 9 months before by going in the snowbank on last stage.

In 2016 he was clearly faster than Latvala.

Note that first full season in WRC was in VW in 2014 (and part of 2013) at that point Latvala was on his 7th and 8th WRC season, Ogier on 5th and 6th and two times world champion.Depends entirely how you count. If we take 2016 that you keep ousting as Mikkelsens dream season:

Latvala was (a lot) faster, but less consistent (as is Latvala standard procedure).

Monte: Latvala was faster on almost every stage before retiring with broken suspension. Mikkelsen 2 stage wins but average 4th on the stages.

Sweden: Latvalas center diff started slipping and lost him a lot of time but won almost every stage after that. Mikkelsen has a few 2nd on the stages but very inconsistent pace and goes off twice (without damaging the car more than superficially though).

Mexico Latvala won. Mikkelsen crashed on ss15 while he was several minutes behind Latvala in the same car.

Argentina Latvala won almost every stage and led by quite the margin before going off on ss14. Mikkelsen had one stage win and most stages around 3rd.

In Portugal Latvala was ahead of Mikkelsen before his power steering gave up. Won more stages than Mikkelsen too.

Sardegna: Mikkelsen was a lot behind Latvala when he crashed out on ss14. 2nd place best stage result (and very inconsistent pace). Latvala is second overall with two stage wins. Led the rally three times.

Poland: first rally of the year where Mikkelsen was genuinely quicker than Latvala. Won by Mikkelsen.

Finland: Latvala 2nd, Mikkelsen 7th, 2 minutes behind. There were stages where Tidemand beat him in a Skoda R5.

Deutschland: Latvala breaks the gearbox on ss1. Wins almost half the stages on the following two days. Mikkelsen wins three stages and has an average around 4th or 3rd on most stages. Clearly slower than Latvala.

Tour de corse: Mikkelsen and Latvala pretty equal on pace. Mikkelsen wins one stage. Latvala none.

Racc Espana: both crash. Latvala on day one and restarts. Wins 9 stages. Mikkelsen on day two, doesn't restart. Best stage result, 3rd. Average around 5th.

Wales rally GB: Latvala breaks a few gears in the transmission but doesn't retire. Best stage result 2nd, average around 4th or 3rd. Mikkelsen broke a drive shaft on ss4. Pace all over the place. Everywhere from one stage win to 10th. Very inconsistent (and not from mechanical reasons)

Australia: Mikkelsen wins, several stage wins. Second rally of the year where he is genuinely quicker than Latvala (also with a mechanically sound car).
Latvala touches a bridge on ss1 with the rear and breaks a toe arm. Repairs it enough to actually make it through the day with reduced pace. Wins two stages with a fresh car after service and has several second places. A bit inconsistent pace.

So that's two rallies in a year where he is quicker than Latvala and one of them was because he had to show pace to be interesting to the other teams. The rest goes to Latvala.

Sorry, but Mikkelsen is not quick unless his career is on the line. When he has a comfortable seat he just falls into a quiet slumber.

The only reason he had any pace at all was due to the fantastic polo chassis, which is still to this day dominating world rallycross in the hands of Johan Kristoffersson.

[dupanton]

Weather report posted on Facebook page Benoit Verlinde Rallydriver :)

[dupanton]

BTW there has been a storm at service park. A lot damage for some teams. Even Toyota hospitality lost some parts

[EstWRC]

Weather report posted on Facebook page Benoit Verlinde Rallydriver :)

SS9 conditions: Most of the stage is full ice! First 2km are dry, and some 6km in the middle of the stage with only a few spots of ice. Tricky for sure!

[dimviii]

Goooood mooooorning guys!


Sébastien Ogier
@SebOgier
Winter conditions await us in the stages this morning

At least, the tyre choice is easy!

[EstWRC]

TYRE NEWS

No surprise - all drivers have opted for a studded snow tyre for the loop.

Ogier/Katsuta/Evans/Rovaperä have six tyres on board, whilst the rest of the field have five.

[dimviii]

ss 9
https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/1352843176021778432

[Rally Hokkaido]

Goooood mooooorning guys!


Sébastien Ogier
@SebOgier
Winter conditions await us in the stages this morning

At least, the tyre choice is easy!

Yes, all on studs, some have five, others six.

[Mirek]

Bonjour!

Good news. Ostberg is commenting again :)

[AnttiL]

Good morning guys, short but exciting day ahead

[wwbroe]

Good morning guys, some tricky situation on the stages today

[SubaruNorway]

Lets hope sound won't be miss matched on all cars...

[Rallyper]

Morning guys.

[Lead]

Its like ice rink :)

[Mirek]

Neuville stopped for a while per live commentary.

[Rallyper]

Sordos camera is in a kind of wrong angle. Today also. Makes the car look limping all the time.

[Mirek]

Tänak also stopped for a moment.

Sordo nearly off now.

Another small off for Sordo just at the finish.

[Rallyper]

Katsuta learning for future...? He is in the future right now I think.

[EstWRC]

Tänak lost 21 sec, had a spin or something it seemed

[AnttiL]

Ogier flying at split 1

[EstWRC]

Sordo and Kalle might get past Tänak with this one

[AnttiL]

Sordos camera is in a kind of wrong angle. Today also. Makes the car look limping all the time.

I don't think they can fix that during the rally

[Mirek]

Tänak with LF puncture.

[Rallyper]

I don't think they can fix that during the rally

What I remember from the past (couple of years ago) technicians went in and out in the cars adjusting cameras...

[EstWRC]

Tänak with LF puncture.


and he has only one spare

[Rallyper]

Master has talked

[Mirek]

Ogier showing everyone who is the boss.

[EstWRC]

Tänak did right thing not to change it, had lost another minute if did

[TypeR]

He is just embarrassing everybody else, hats off

[Tauri_J]

Tänak did right thing not to change it, had lost another minute if did

Of course, the pace is so slow...would be terrible to Even think about changing.

[AnttiL]

What I remember from the past (couple of years ago) technicians went in and out in the cars adjusting cameras...

Going in to take the memory cards to drive them quickly to the service park so we could have onboards to watch. They switched to all wireless transmitting a couple of years ago I believe, no more going in the car for memory cards.

[dimviii]

He is just embarrassing everybody else, hats off

Evans the second faster took 1sec/km.
Ogier destroying them.

[Lead]

Who Mikkelsen's gravel crew?

[Rallyper]

Going in to take the memory cards to drive them quickly to the service park so we could have onboards to watch. They switched to all wireless transmitting a couple of years ago I believe, no more going in the car for memory cards.

Yeah for sure changing cards. But not hard to adjust angle at the same time I´d reccon...

[EstWRC]

Ott Tänak
@OttTanak
·
30s
⏱️ SS8 La Bréole - Selonnet:
�� “It was at the beginning. I had a spin, then at the next corner there was a loose rock inside. It's a beautiful morning!”

lol

[Rallyper]

Oliver seems quite good at making pacenotes as well,isn´t he? Who´s doing his gravelnotes is another question...

Now taking a breakfast and bathroom brake...

[SubaruNorway]

Who Mikkelsen's gravel crew?

Bernt Kollevold and Cato Menkerud

[TypeR]

Pirellis come off the rim easier? Ogier and Tänak both had punctures and tyres completely gone

[SubaruNorway]

Oliver seems quite good at making pacenotes as well,isn´t he? Who´s doing his gravelnotes is another question...

Now taking a breakfast and bathroom brake...

Saby and Giraudet

[EstWRC]

about Ogier

i just have no words, yes its his home soil but what a time man, just crushed everybody again and fully deserves Monte Master name on Sunday if he wins.

[AnttiL]

about Ogier

i just have no words, yes its his home soil but what a time man, just crushed everybody again and fully deserves Monte Master name on Sunday if he wins.

Yeah, this and also all of yesterday morning loop (albeit with some start position advantage).

Also nice to see Sordo waking up.

Toyotas have a 1-2-3 with Neuville 25 seconds behind Rovanperä.

[EstWRC]

Yeah, this and also all of yesterday morning loop (albeit with some start position advantage).

Also nice to see Sordo waking up.

Toyotas have a 1-2-3 with Neuville 25 seconds behind Rovanperä.

and Ott just 4 secs behind Neuville but im afraid he will drop even more now with no spare and confidence gone.

Sordo really surprised me this morning

[dimviii]

Oliver Solberg
@OliverSolberg01
·
2m
Good run through a very slippery SS9 - only 11.5s off the stage win, and that's after losing around 15s with a stall early on! Ready for a snowy SS10

[Sulland]

Monte is a love/hate rally for me.
There are always changes and surprizes both in weather and due to that driving conditions.

some drivers can thrive in a stage like this and some others loose a whole rally by a puncture or a small off.
We have unsung heroes like the hugely important ice crew. They should be nemed in the startlist. Without them you are 100% lost, due to fast changing conditions. Kudos to all ice crews this year as well - hat off!

Next stage is supposed to be full snow, same again, but we can see different crews going fast compared to a black ice stage.

Ogier and other locals, that have been playing on roads like this since 18 yo, same with Nordic drivers have an advantage from playing around frozen lakes and normal winter roads!

[dimviii]

WRCWings
@llluis555
·
13m
Top speeds at the long straight in the first kms of SS6 yesterday at #RallyeMonteCarlo:
182 km/h Tänak,
181 km/h Neuville,
176 km/h Ogier, Evans, Sordo,
174 km/h Rovanperä
170 km/h Greensmith
168 km/h Katsuta, Mikkelsen
164 km/h Fourmaux
#WRC #WRClive #WRCLiveES

[EstWRC]

this is a proper monte stage!

[Rallyper]

Mads comments is really good, all the time!!

[Essaj]

Seems that WRC broadcast removed cancelled SS8 totally from their system and we're just now on SS9 which was the previous stage :confused:

[Rallyper]

Loubet just before a breaking point from high speed and they change to GG... Man! We want to see action. Not a steering wheel...

[dupanton]

Seems that WRC broadcast removed cancelled SS8 totally from their system and we're just now on SS9 which was the previous stage :confused:

SS8 was canceled 2 weeks ago already, with their revised itinerary

[Mirek]

Neuville overshooting basically every hairpin a bit now.

[EstWRC]

man its so slippery

[TypeR]

Tänak +28 lol

[EstWRC]

this is miserable from Ott

[Mirek]

Tänak stopped

[Rallyper]

It´s not for changing wheel I guess...

[EstWRC]

he let Ogier through and now continues, weird

[EstWRC]

why they dont show us what happened with Tänak=

[meh]

Probably another puncture and they just limping to the end to not stay on the stage.

[Tauri_J]

Probably another puncture and they just limping to the end to not stay on the stage.

Would be my bet also

[Rally Hokkaido]

Ogier is bleeding time, don't know why

[Tauri_J]

What is going on lol

[EstWRC]

terrible rally for Ott which started off very good

i hope he manages to get into end to continue today and tomorrow

[Rally Hokkaido]

could the surface be polishing that much so soon?

[br21]

Ogier with helmet not "belted"

[EstWRC]

could the surface be polishing that much so soon?

must be

[Rally Hokkaido]

Tanak stopped again. Out of the car and now back in.

[Rallyper]

Rather more slushy...

[Mirek]

Looks like Hyundais are better set for snow.

[Tom K]

Ogier has unbottened helmet.

[AMSS]

Rather more slushy...

Agree, the slush can make the difference..

[TypeR]

terrible rally for Ott which started off very good

i hope he manages to get into end to continue today and tomorrow

doesn't really matter anymore..

[Tauri_J]

must be

Mikkelsen as fast as ogier

[Rallyper]

Ogier has unbottened helmet.

So what the penalty for that?

[Rally Hokkaido]

Ogier is really sliding. Is it tyres or steering issue?

[meh]

so... who pressed the "Snuffle" button?

[Tauri_J]

So what the penalty for that?

Leclerc drove with unfastened seatbelts, FIA did nothing

[EstWRC]

doesn't really matter anymore..

dont be silly, every point matters

[Mirek]

Evans stalled in hairpin.

Mikkelsen was stopped for a while according to the commentary but he himself didn't mention anything extraordinary. He said they were safe.

Camilli cought Fourmaux who had a puncture.

[Rally Hokkaido]

So what the penalty for that?

It should be the same as was applied a few years ago to the crews who didn't do up their belts until they after they were moving.

[Rallyper]

Leclerc drove with unfastened seatbelts, FIA did nothing

Ten years ago they got 5 min for not having the right socks. I think in Finland.

[Sulland]

I guess the temperature on SS10 just went above 0C when the sun started to work this morning!

[EstWRC]

double pucnture for Tänak

[meh]

Probably another puncture and they just limping to the end to not stay on the stage.

and this is how it was. Retirement now?

edit: damaged some tire on stage and replaced that on stage with previously damaged rim to be able to limp to service with "a bit damaged tire" (do not have to rim's and retirement as a result)

[TypeR]

good tyre strategy again by Hyundai..

[jonkka]

and this is how it was. Retirement now?

Seems so - but with that much time lost, it doesn't really make any difference.

[EstWRC]

but what a time stage by Neuville with new codriver!

hats off

[Mirek]

Tänak changed a flat tyre for a bare rim in the stage and back after the stage. Now he's driving on the flat tyre in the road section. Let's see if he can reach the service.

[Rallyper]

Tänak changed a flat tyre for a bare rim in the stage and back after the stage. Now he's driving on the flat tyre in the road section. Let's see if he can reach the service.

Yeah. Rubber on!!

[dimviii]

double pucnture for Tänak

really cant understand why they choosed to run all hyundais with just 5 wheels,at such a loop with very well known from yesterday the ice and snow.

[wwbroe]

really cant understand why they choosed to run all hyundais with just 5 wheels,at such a loop with very well known from yesterday the ice and snow.

Toyota's also had only five wheels

[Lead]

Solberg was waiting for snow all rally long, but not on pace in this one.

EDIT: He had puncture.

[dimviii]

but what a time stage by Neuville with new codriver!

hats off

Ostberg said that was his road position.
First cars had the snow layer for grip,after some cars snow sweeped,and was just ice.

[EstWRC]

Tänak changed a flat tyre for a bare rim in the stage and back after the stage. Now he's driving on the flat tyre in the road section. Let's see if he can reach the service.

wasnt it maybe so that he felt its puncture again on this stage, so he stopped and he actually changed the damaged rim from 1st stage and put the one which had at least tyre to the back and now changed it back again?

[EstWRC]

Toyota's also had only five wheels

they had six

[dimviii]

Toyota's also had only five wheels

i remember all yaris are with 6?

[wwbroe]

i remember all yaris are with 6?

My mistake, i tought only Katsuta had six?

[Mirek]

Mikkelsen now with 2,5 minutes lead among all Rally2 crews.

[wwbroe]

Mikkelsen now with 2,5 minutes lead among all Rally2 crews.

That's right Mirek, but great drive by Andreas

[mknight]

Road development can do a lot. If it just about starts to melt but not yet enough to go full slush you get a 0,5-1cm layer of slush on top of harder snow/ice. With shorts studs you don't go down to ice and have no grip.

Stock studded tires in Scandinavia have similar stud length and every one driving here has experienced this.

Setup can also do a lot, first stage was tarmac and hard ice.

Note that Ogier and Neuville have exactly same time over the 2 stages combined.

[dimviii]

Solberg was waiting for snow all rally long, but not on pace in this one.

Oliver Solberg
@OliverSolberg01
·
10m
Left front puncture from the very start of SS10, same corner as @AdrienFourmaux
we think... big shame on the only snowy stage, hoped for a good time on that one
Face with rolling eyes
lost almost a minute, but we go back to service now and reset!

[bwallace]

what abaut ogier helment not fixed and forced , time penalty ? 2032

[wwbroe]

what abaut ogier helment not fixed and forced , time penalty ? 2032

FIA will pretend they never saw it.:D

[Lead]

Oliver Solberg
@OliverSolberg01
·
10m
Left front puncture from the very start of SS10, same corner as @AdrienFourmaux
we think... big shame on the only snowy stage, hoped for a good time on that one
Face with rolling eyes
lost almost a minute, but we go back to service now and reset!

Thats a shame. Was looking forward for his first stage win.

[TypeR]

seems like the punctured wheel is getting worse.. keep falling behind on the map..

[mknight]

Thats a shame. Was looking forward for his first stage win.

Cause without the puncture he would automatically win the stage, based on?

Cut the hype, let him drive and learn, he is doing ok.

[T16]

The insight from Ostberg has been superb. They need rot get him signed up.
in car cameras have been dreadful - esp the Toyotas.

[Mirek]

in car cameras have been dreadful - esp the Toyotas.

And Sordo

[T16]

And Sordo

true

[meh]

Is it only me or others feels the same as well - Neuville does not search excuses and wining too much but searching solutions how to get things working instead? Hope he will keep that, way more enjoyable.

[mknight]

The insight from Ostberg has been superb. They need rot get him signed up.
in car cameras have been dreadful - esp the Toyotas.

"This feels like sitting in the front of a bus" Østberg on Toyota in car cam.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Is it only me or others feels the same as well - Neuville does not search excuses and wining too much but searching solutions how to get things working instead? Hope he will keep that, way more enjoyable.

I noticed this, too! Also, he seems to like being a teacher for his new co-driver. I am impressed by his change of character.

[rallyfiend]

I suspect this helmet issue is going to take Ogier's victory away from him...

That is unlikely to be a light penalty

Thierry's new co-driver could get a podium on debut! That will annoy Nicolas one would think.....

[T16]

I suspect this helmet issue is going to take Ogier's victory away from him...

That is unlikely to be a light penalty

Have they mentioned it on the coverage yet?

[EstWRC]

I suspect this helmet issue is going to take Ogier's victory away from him...

That is unlikely to be a light penalty

i wouldnt be surprised if nothing is done

[Rally Hokkaido]

Have they mentioned it on the coverage yet?

WRC+ refrain from mentioning controversial things until it is public knowledge. They didn't even comment on Ott having a piss while Martin re-fitted the bare wheel after the stage.

[mknight]

Have they mentioned it on the coverage yet?

It's a tradition that this kind of stuff doesn't get mentioned. Just like speeding on liasons.

I expect either nothing is done or 1 min penalty.

Ogier saying that Hyundai used slightly worn studded tires since that makes the stud stick out more.

[cali]

We need Ostberg in the Wrc+ full time. He improves the quality of knowledge and expertise hugely

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[T16]

It's a tradition that this kind of stuff doesn't get mentioned. Just like speeding on liasons.

I expect either nothing is done or 1 min penalty.

Ogier saying that Hyundai used slightly worn studded tires since that makes the stud stick out more.


No, I think it's because the used tyres have less studs in them, not because they are sticking out more.

[Rally Hokkaido]

I'm sorry to say that action must be taken over Seb's failure to wear his helmet correctly. If the Stewards have not received a report on it yet, then it is time for Jari-Matti should be making a phonecall.

[T16]

We need Ostberg in the Wrc+ full time. He improves the quality of knowledge and expertise hugely

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he's that good, they need to take note from this. It's a far superior service with him.

[mknight]

No, I think it's because the used tyres have less studs in them, not because they are sticking out more.

Ogier, Evans and Østberg say the opposite.

[cali]

I'm sorry to say that action must be taken over Seb's failure to wear his helmet correctly. If the Stewards have not received a report on it yet, then it is time for Jari-Matti should be making a phonecall.Call Anttik7 whoever this fia reporting chap was here :D

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[Portimao]

What is wrong with Ogier's helmet?

[TypeR]

What is wrong with Ogier's helmet?

strap wasn't fastened on stage

[Sulland]

We need Ostberg in the Wrc+ full time. He improves the quality of knowledge and expertise hugely

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Well, Mads is a nutural TV/Radio type of person and is perfect for the job.
But if he gets back to driving, there are enough drivers with fresh experience they could use.

Loeb or Petter would be good candidates?

Who would you like to see?

[T16]

Well, Mads is a nutural TV/Radio type of person and is perfect for the job.
But if he gets back to driving, there are enough drivers with fresh experience they could use.

Loeb or Petter would be good candidates?

Who would you like to see?

Course there are plenty of other drivers, but he's definitely set the bar now. May be tempting to get a name like Loeb or Solberg, but I they aren't as good at insight, then it's a step back.

WRC live won't give a toss though, they'll go back to 'normal' as they do with cameras etc.

[EstWRC]

Tänak made it

[cali]

Well, Mads is a nutural TV/Radio type of person and is perfect for the job.
But if he gets back to driving, there are enough drivers with fresh experience they could use.

Loeb or Petter would be good candidates?

Who would you like to see?Loeb maybe too dull.
Seb Marshall was ok.

Petter certainly would be entertaining.



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[meh]

Lappi for WRC+

[dimviii]

Mikko Hirvonen
@MikkoWRC
Replying to
@planetemarcus
and
@HartusvuoriWRC
Hello Jérémie! Yes we are in Rallye Monte-Carlo working with Kalle. They are doing a cracking job with Jonne!

[dimviii]

Ruben Perez
@RubnPerez
This is how the #OpticRallyeForez cameras captured the spin that Ott Tanak and Martin Jarveoja were doing this morning on SS9.

After turning around and stepping inside, they punctured one of the tires of their Hyundai with a stone. #WRC

https://twitter.com/RubnPerez/status/1352914257638252544

[Humber]

Rally Stewards appear to be the fining type this week.

https://acm.mc/en/edition/rallye-monte-carlo-edition-2021/competitors-information/official-notice-board/stewards-documents/

[AndyRAC]

Course there are plenty of other drivers, but he's definitely set the bar now. May be tempting to get a name like Loeb or Solberg, but I they aren't as good at insight, then it's a step back.

WRC live won't give a toss though, they'll go back to 'normal' as they do with cameras etc.

Mads has been a great addition to the coverage; seemingly natural, bringing a wealth of knowledge of current cars, tech, etc Very much like Alex Brundle during the Spa/N24 coverage.....

[Tom K]

Tanak retires, Hyundai confirmed.

[AnttiL]

Tänak retired.

[bt52b]

Rally Stewards appear to be the fining type this week.

https://acm.mc/en/edition/rallye-monte-carlo-edition-2021/competitors-information/official-notice-board/stewards-documents/

Not sure how the forger still has a contract with the WRC

[meh]

Blah, it's a bit "smartassing after", but can not really understand the need for gamble with this 5 tires (instead of safe 6), because there is no rally2 option available and no option for collect points from powerstage (or for manufacturer, if there will be another car forced to retire).

[EstWRC]

great

0 points again

[dimviii]

Οliver
https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1352920781244813312

So Tanak managed to reach service with flattyre,but organizer forced to retire?

Ott Tänak
@OttTanak

We are back in service, but unfortunately we have to retire the rally as we had two punctures and only one spare wheel. No restart possible on Sunday due to event rules.

[Rallyper]

Οliver
https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/1352920781244813312

So Tanak managed to reach service with flattyre,but organizer forced to retire?

Ott Tänak
@OttTanak

We are back in service, but unfortunately we have to retire the rally as we had two punctures and only one spare wheel. No restart possible on Sunday due to event rules.

Ok. Then. Ogier to get 5 min penalty would be kind of equal.

[AndyRAC]

I find that slightly ridiculous - he managed to get to service - but has to retire.....

[Mirek]

Ok. Then. Ogier to get 5 min penalty would be kind of equal.

Equal to what? If Tänak retired it means the rubber didn't stay on the rim. That is automatic retirement per rules (if stewards don't pretend blindness like with Solberg in Hungary).


I find that slightly ridiculous - he managed to get to service - but has to retire.....

Such has been the rule for at least a decade now. He's far from being the first one.

[sti123]

I find that slightly ridiculous - he managed to get to service - but has to retire.....

There was some rubber left, yes. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsaT72tW4AAY6jf?format=jpg&name=small

[Lead]

Cause without the puncture he would automatically win the stage, based on?

Cut the hype, let him drive and learn, he is doing ok.
Automatically no, but his comments from yesterday (how he was waiting for snow) and after great pace in first morning's stage, he would go for it in snowy ss10. Stage conditions was good for him to show a great time.
Of course he is doing fine, not hyping him or anyone up, calm down.

[TypeR]

I find that slightly ridiculous - he managed to get to service - but has to retire.....
it's stupid yes.. had to struggle 1.5 hours thru traffic with damaged car, made it there and then.. no , you can't continue..

[Mirek]

There was some rubber left, yes. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsaT72tW4AAY6jf?format=jpg&name=small

Thanks, now there's no discussion.

[rage82]

I have a feeling it's the power stage next at this time and the last stage of the day :)

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[Mirek]

it's stupid yes.. had to struggle 1.5 hours thru traffic with damaged car, made it there and then.. no , you can't continue..

The rule was created to give everyone fair and straight conditions and to prevent safety incidents and troubles with local police. Before it was one big mess. Someone could finish (Loeb in Mexico), someone else was stopped by police (Mäkinen in Wales), some drove with co-drivers sitting in the side windows, on the bonnet etc. Now everyone knows, Tänak of course as well.

[TypeR]

The rule was created to give everyone fair and straight conditions and to prevent safety incidents and troubles with local police. Before it was one big mess. Someone could finish (Loeb in Mexico), someone else was stopped by police (Mäkinen in Wales), some drove with co-drivers sitting in the side windows, on the bonnet etc. Now everyone knows, Tänak of course as well.

agree, what I meant was that he should have been stopped and retired before going to traffic..

[denkimi]

He should have driven it on the rim then, and only change it right before entering service or being stopped by the police.

[sti123]

He should have driven it on the rim then, and only change it right before entering service or being stopped by the police.

Still strange exclusion if you read the rule book: 20.1.5 On a road section that is a public road and at the start of a stage, a competition car may only be
driven on four freely rotating wheels and tyres. Any car not complying with this article will be considered as
retired as per WRC Art. 46. An additional penalty may be imposed by the stewards. Ott still had some rubber left...

[Rallyper]

Equal to what? If Tänak retired it means the rubber didn't stay on the rim. That is automatic retirement per rules (if stewards don't pretend blindness like with Solberg in Hungary).



Such has been the rule for at least a decade now. He's far from being the first one.

Equal meaning some decision has to come for Ogier as well. If he gets out of it without penalty it´s NOT equal. See what I mean?

[br21]

what is strange there?
and continuing on rim and changing before service is also not allowed.

[dimviii]

Contrasting morning for Wydaeghe: Lost in his notes, then a first scratch in the WRC

Sometimes it goes well - a first scratch in the WRC in SS10 - sometimes it goes less well - he got lost in his notes in SS9 -, but Thierry Neuville's co-driver is in the midst of learning.

"I'm pretty happy with our second special, but in today's first special I was not in a good pace, and that frustrates me," Martijn Wydaeghe admitted at WRC All Live. We are here to be efficient, and I want to be the best possible. And in the second part of this stage, there were a lot of corrections in my notes, and I got a little lost. I apologize to Thierry for that! C ' was better in the second special, and a scratch, it's always nice. This week, I'm living at 150 km / h. It's a big challenge for me, and I'm learning a lot every day. "

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_matinee-contrastee-pour-wydaeghe-perdu-dans-ses-notes-puis-un-premier-scratch-en-wrc?id=10680794&fbclid=IwAR13rfr9DdkgRVlnIlwBmQtKfNmckkEqe2-b-WLOipWX7Rii4oxZZCfYQsA

[Rallyper]

Still strange exclusion if you read the rule book: 20.1.5 On a road section that is a public road and at the start of a stage, a competition car may only be
driven on four freely rotating wheels and tyres. Any car not complying with this article will be considered as
retired as per WRC Art. 46. An additional penalty may be imposed by the stewards. Ott still had some rubber left...

and rules came when they drove without any wheel or supsension mounted or hanging. That´s why "rotating" is written I reccon.

[dupanton]

Still strange exclusion if you read the rule book: 20.1.5 On a road section that is a public road and at the start of a stage, a competition car may only be
driven on four freely rotating wheels and tyres. Any car not complying with this article will be considered as
retired as per WRC Art. 46. An additional penalty may be imposed by the stewards. Ott still had some rubber left...

Honestly, you can not call that a tyre, can you?