Rally5 news

[Rally Power]

There’s already an R1 thread on the national sub forum https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?24894-R1&p=1230670&viewfull=1#post1230670 but it makes sense to resume it here, alongside all the new classes’ topics.

Renault was the first manu homologating a Rally5 car (March 1st) and they took the new Clio to a bold premiere on WRC Rally Mexico. Even if only one of the 5 cars competing on local Clio Cup managed to finish, this was a rich experience for Renault Sport costumer service. Hopefully it wont take long to see these cars running in Europe.

https://www.facebook.com/RallyMexico/videos/3379001688781740/

[Sulland]

Has any country or region said anything on starting a Rally5 cup for 2021?

I guess 2020 is a gonner for Covid 19, hopefully 2021 could go ahead.

[jcevc]

Has any country or region said anything on starting a Rally5 cup for 2021?

I guess 2020 is a gonner for Covid 19, hopefully 2021 could go ahead.

Looks like Clio Rally 5 cup in France will go ahead already in 2020 with more than 30 teams registered...
https://www.cliorally.com/

[m-ast]

Has any country or region said anything on starting a Rally5 cup for 2021?

I guess 2020 is a gonner for Covid 19, hopefully 2021 could go ahead.


Looks like Clio Rally 5 cup in France will go ahead already in 2020 with more than 30 teams registered...
https://www.cliorally.com/

Also in Spain Clio Cup will start in September and some cars are already doing events

[Andre Oliveira]

Mexico too

[Sulland]

Impressed by the speed of the new Clio Rally5 in the hands of youngster Ola Nore Jr.
Not many rally4 cars in front of him so far in Hungary.

[Jarek Z]

Good debut of a new car in the hands of a young Norwegian driver. Not only was he 3rd in ERC3 Junior, but also 4th in ERC3.
https://www.fiaerc.com/erc-rookie-nore-impresses-in-all-new-renault-clio-rsr-rally5/

[Sulland]

Do anyone know the price for a Fiesta Rally5?

Is it still possible to buy the Rally5 kit and get a donor yourself?

[Andre Oliveira]

The conversion kit is priced at €26,990.00 + VAT (not including donor car or wheels), and the fully-built, ready-to-race car is priced at €45,990.00 + VAT. A conversion kit is also available so that the customer can upgrade the same car to the latest Ford Fiesta R2 specification when ready.

[Alpine-110]

Ok, so the same price as in 2019 that is showed in the R1 thread then.
Thx!

[Tom K]

Clio Rally5 Trophy on FIA ERC stages. With 10 cars capacity we can have quite nice addition to 2WD rivalry.

https://www.fiaerc.com/clio-trophy-by-toksport-wrt-is-go-for-2021-fia-erc/

[Sulland]

How many cars can we see in the ERC Clio Trophy this year?
10, 15 or maybe 20?

[Andre Oliveira]

Limitation to 10 max

"*Ten places are up for grabs with each driver charged €85,000 for the five-event season. Full details are available by emailing cliotrophy@toksport.com or https://cliotrophy.toksport.com/"

[Jarek Z]

133 Clios sold!
https://www.fiaerc.com/renaults-erc-ready-clio-rally5-deliveries-top-133/

[Sulland]

Must be a success, both for drivers, cups, and commercially for Renault Sport.


How many R1 cars/ kits were sold in the whole R1 period? Are there numbers available from M-Sport, Renault and Citroen?

[m-ast]

Must be a success, both for drivers, cups, and commercially for Renault Sport.


How many R1 cars/ kits were sold in the whole R1 period? Are there numbers available from M-Sport, Renault and Citroen?


I don't think numbers are available, but except for the Twingo and DS3 cups in France not many more were seen in good numbers, in Spain I only remember a Twingo R1 running local events, and a DS3 for renting

[Kenneth]

How many R1 cars/ kits were sold in the whole R1 period? Are there numbers available from M-Sport, Renault and Citroen?

I wouldn't be suprised if there are more Clios Rally5 sold than all of R1 cars.

[Sulland]

I don't think numbers are available, but except for the Twingo and DS3 cups in France not many more were seen in good numbers, in Spain I only remember a Twingo R1 running local events, and a DS3 for renting

In Norway we have had 2-3 Fiestas, mostly due to the french was mostly developed for tarmac I think.
2 are still in use.

A top driver took one of them for a rally, and Anders Kjær drove it into 15th overall!!

[denkimi]

I don't think numbers are available, but except for the Twingo and DS3 cups in France not many more were seen in good numbers, in Spain I only remember a Twingo R1 running local events, and a DS3 for renting
R1 was understandbly never a succes. The cars were just too slow.

For the same or even a lower price you could get an old clio 2 group N, which was a lot faster.

[Sulland]

Any news on competitors that will compete in the Clio Trophy by Toksport in 2022?

The link on the ERC page does not point to a live site, so someone must uptate the link.

Was impressed with the speed of the Clio Rally5 last year, so a top opportunity for a youngster,going international.

[Sulland]

Seems there is a big difference between Ford and Renault in the number of Rally5 cars vs Rally4 cars produced.

Ford has aprox 10 rally5 of ca 150 produced cars.
Renault aprox 140 Rally5 of ca 160 produced cars, mainly due to many cups.

Is the Clio that much better, so that the fiesta is outpaced

Was the Fiesta upgraded when it was renamed from R1 to Rally5 or is it still 150 hp?

[dupanton]

Seems there is a big difference between Ford and Renault in the number of Rally5 cars vs Rally4 cars produced.

Ford has aprox 10 rally5 of ca 150 produced cars.
Renault aprox 140 Rally5 of ca 160 produced cars, mainly due to many cups.

Is the Clio that much better, so that the fiesta is outpaced

Was the Fiesta upgraded when it was renamed from R1 to Rally5 or is it still 150 hp?

It has nothing to do with the old R1. I think it's about on the level of the Clio, but it's a bit behind.

Like you say, the Clio is used in a lot of cups. It's good publicity for the car as a lot of quick guys drive the car. Also, a lot of cars are for rent as big teams have several cars to rent for cups.

[Sulland]

It has nothing to do with the old R1. I think it's about on the level of the Clio, but it's a bit behind.

Then M-Sport Is not doing a very good job of marketing it.

https://www.m-sport.co.uk/fiesta-rally5
It is a mix btw R1 and Rally5.

What is upgraded from the R1?
Is the Rally5 program also managed from Poland, so they do Rally5 to Rally3?

[WRCStan]

Then M-Sport Is not doing a very good job of marketing it.

If you offer Rally4 you might as well offer Rally5 if the customer wants to pay, but there's more original parts in Rally5 so less value added for profit opportunity I guess. Presumably Renault Sport are Renault whereas M-Sport are not Ford. Then you can also ask of who really wants them and what for. Just a guess but besides, I think M-Sport Poland would prefer to strike Rally3 market at the mo without competition.

I think they just produced the promo material before the Rally5 name came along and CBA updating it. They're even still flogging Fiesta WRC and not Rally1.

[Mirek]

Then M-Sport Is not doing a very good job of marketing it.

https://www.m-sport.co.uk/fiesta-rally5
It is a mix btw R1 and Rally5.

What is upgraded from the R1?
Is the Rally5 program also managed from Poland, so they do Rally5 to Rally3?

M-Sport can not do all at once. They must prioritize something over something else. The same goes for Renault. You can see that while Renault is not busy with Rally 1 and 2 they still have the same disballance just in favor of Rally5.

Also the more advanced the cars are the more money you can make out of them hence why priorities shall naturally lean towards the more expensive cars.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9MrOCvWcAAqBPx?format=jpg&name=medium

[bf1_IRL]

From https://www.fia.com/news/fia-announces-world-motor-sport-council-decisions-geneva


FIA Rally Commission

New Technical Regulations for cars in the group Rally5-kit will apply from 2024 with the objective to create a new grassroots category for Rally and increase the number of cars eligible in the RC5 class.

More details about the Rally5-kit as well as further updates on the FIA WRC and Regional Rally championships will be included in the upcoming FIA Rally Newsletter.

Anyone know what this 'kit' will be?

[TWRC]

From https://www.fia.com/news/fia-announces-world-motor-sport-council-decisions-geneva



Anyone know what this 'kit' will be?
Just a guess, it might be similar to Oreca's R4-kit, except maybe with more freedom, ie there will not be a standard engine.

[wyler]

roughly translated from italian media:

In practice this would be an opening to national homologations, to give an international balance to the technical rules and allow these cars to be used on all race courses, within their own country and outside. The vehicles concerned are two-wheel drives with a performance ratio of 6 kg/hp (about 180 horsepower and 1080 kilograms); a table with flange and weight specifications for balancing performance will be applied to these. This will allow brands, branches and tuners a homologation process with their own federation of reference, whose homologation will be automatically included among the FIA homologations at world level. Advocating the cause was the Spanish federation, which proposed the rally5-kit project at last year's Catalunya, and taking it forward was the Galicia R-Technology structure, which has set up and run a Suzuki Swift Rally 5port in the Spanish championship with national homologation this season. Technical details on the regulations should be made public shortly

[Co-driven]

From https://www.fia.com/news/fia-announces-world-motor-sport-council-decisions-geneva



Anyone know what this 'kit' will be?

I think it will allow local teams to develop cars, without the need of manufacturer doint it. I think in Portugal (or maybe Spain) there is already a "Rally5" car running.

[Andre Oliveira]

Spain
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ffg7PRAXwAIxHuV?format=jpg&name=medium

[bf1_IRL]

Paperwork has been published: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/260b_2024_wmsc_2023.10.19_jt.pdf

[becher]

Good news, maybe we'll see this in other categories in the future as well.

[Kenneth]

So to me it looks like you can get almost any car, use some mandatory parts from the kit and you have a race car that you can upgrade it by using non-mandatory parts until you have full Rally5 car. Sounds really promising!

To me it looks like manufacturers don't really care about Rally5 as they can sell very similar Rally4 for more money.

Would be really great to allow something like that in Rally3. But I can't see the same with Rally2 or Rally4 with how FIA goes on hand to manufacturers.

[becher]

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/int/artikel/fia-neuer-rally5-kit-ab-15000-euro-51099/

In german but google translate should work.

[becher]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/fia-confirms-new-rally5-kit-regulations-for-2024/

Pretty much the same as above, but now in english.

[Sulland]

I am guessing that there will be a Spanish Cup for the Rally5-Kit Suzuki.

With 15 000 for the kit, how much could a complete car be, with a possible dicount for a new donorcar?

[YerayEcoBoost]

It is almost impossible for there to be a Suzuki Swift Cup again in Spain since the brand withdrew its official support a year ago and withdrew from the official competition.

[Kenneth]

Iirc Spanish Suzuki Cup was never supported by Suzuki itself, always by Spanish branch, which will stay the same. If it was supported by Suzuki, they would make Rally5 with FIA homologation and wouldn't need to create this Rally5-kit class.

[becher]

Weatley: "Das erste Auto, das das Rally5-Kit-Reglement verwenden wird, wird der Suzuki sein, der in Zusammenarbeit mit der RFEdA in Spanien homologiert worden ist. Er wird ab 2024 an den Start gehen, und wir arbeiten mit einer Reihe von ASNs auf der ganzen Welt zusammen, um ähnliche Ein-Marken-Meisterschaften zu entwickeln,..."

In english: Suzuki will be homologated in Spain and there will be a one make cup in 2024.

[PLuto]

Weatley: "Das erste Auto, das das Rally5-Kit-Reglement verwenden wird, wird der Suzuki sein, der in Zusammenarbeit mit der RFEdA in Spanien homologiert worden ist. Er wird ab 2024 an den Start gehen, und wir arbeiten mit einer Reihe von ASNs auf der ganzen Welt zusammen, um ähnliche Ein-Marken-Meisterschaften zu entwickeln,..."

In english: Suzuki will be homologated in Spain and there will be a one make cup in 2024.

Wheatley in original:

Approval of the Rally5-Kit regulations is hugely important as a means of providing accessible rallying globally and, as a result, driving motor sport participation. Can you explain the thinking behind this new and exciting category?
“We have an incredibly successful Renault Clio Rally5, for example, but it’s not sold throughout the world and there are not so many other options on the marketplace. We sat down with the FIA Technical Department to see how we could open up the Rally5 entry-level concept to make it more accessible internationally. The result is the Rally5-Kit regulations.”

What are the differences between Rally5 and Rally5-Kit?
“The Rally5-Kit regulations follow a very similar principle to Rally5, namely a two-wheel-drive car up to 1.6 turbocharged or up to 2-litre normally aspirated which is then given a limited number of modifications to change it from being a standard production vehicle to a car that has the feel and driving dynamics of a proper competition car. The changes are in the gearbox, with the five-speed sequential gearbox an option rather than being compulsory. The FT3 fuel tank is not required and there is also an option for one-way adjustable dampers to enable the car to be competitive against the Rally5 cars that exist. But instead of being homologated by the FIA in Europe, the cars can be homologated through a collaboration between the local ASN and the FIA in Geneva.”

How will that work?
“If you are in South America, Australasia, in Europe or wherever, you can locally homologate a car in the Rally5-Kit class which will then be available to compete all over the world under international homologation. It’s a way of being able to use local parts and local experience to be able to introduce vehicles that could work cost effectively in the local market. The primary goal for Rally5-Kit is to provide competitors with a route into homologated cars that will ultimately create a series of one-make championships around the world.”

What’s the cost?
“The intention is that the conversion kit will cost between 15,000-18,000 euros, meaning you can take a base car and between 15,000-18,000 euros later you will have a competition car that can compete anywhere in the world. The target performance of the Rally5-Kit car is similar to Rally5. A system of balancing the air restrictor against the weight of the car will be used so if the car is heavier, it will have a bigger air restrictor, it it’s lighter it will have a smaller air restrictor. The intention is to be able to balance the car performance against the benchmark of the existing Rally5 cars that are available. It will create more opportunities at national level with the opportunity to develop international regional series.”

When will the first Rally5-Kit car break cover?
“The first car that will use the Rally5-Kit regulations will be the Suzuki that’s been homologated in conjunction with RFEdA in Spain. It will be competing from the start of 2024 and we are working with a number of ASNs around the world to develop similar one-make championships, which have always had a good response and have always helped to develop drivers in a very positive way. The ASNs will perform a major role in making Rally5-Kit a success with the aim of doubling motor sport participation globally.”

[Andre Oliveira]

E-Rally5

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GA2Eat6WgAAxswU?format=jpg&name=medium

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/260a_2024.pdf

[Andre Oliveira]

Peugeot 208 Rally5-Kit by MAVISA SPORT to Volant RACC 2024. Opel Corsa Rally5-Kit too.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJNljXCXsAAKtZq?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJNljW5WsAA8vN3?format=jpg&name=large

[Andre Oliveira]

Opel Corsa Rally5-Kit
Peugeot 208 Rally5-Kit

Debut at Volant RACC in Rally Empordà today

Pic of Shakedown Media

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOcDDXiWQAEzZGZ?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

208 Rally6
Photo of Regis Theve

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYaxLp9bcAA34-n?format=jpg&name=medium