[WRC] Rally Italia Sardegna 2020

[er88]

When Neuville sends it, there's not much better in rallying. When he goes for it I'm always reminded of that Golden Stage in Cyprus in 2011.

[erikli2]

Hope Sordo can make two good stages so we can have a fight for the win with 3 cars ��

[er88]

That'll do for Sordo, good stage

[meh]

If this 0.1sec is at the end, let's say Neuville 2nd ja Ogier 3rd, how Hyundai could put Sordo to 2nd place and Neuville to 2nd?

[wwbroe]

Great time from Sordo as well

[AnttiL]

this is so 2018 all over again

The sport at its best!

[AnttiL]

If this 0.1sec is at the end, let's say Neuville 2nd ja Ogier 3rd, how Hyundai could put Sordo to 2nd place and Neuville to 2nd?

They can't. There needs to be more than 10 seconds between Ogier and Neuville.

[EstWRC]

When Neuville sends it, there's not much better in rallying. When he goes for it I'm always reminded of that Golden Stage in Cyprus in 2011.

well there are some things better for me ;)

anyway, its always amazing to see TOP guys giving everything, no matter if its Tänak, Neuville, Ogier, Sordo, Evans or whoever.

but what was there in 2011 at that rally or particular stage?

[Rally Hokkaido]

Great stage for Dani. What a battle we have, now. I really like this weird stage - the second pass could decide the rally.

[Dejan]

well there are some things better for me ;)

anyway, its always amazing to see TOP guys giving everything, no matter if its Tänak, Neuville, Ogier, Sordo, Evans or whoever.

but what was there in 2011 at that rally or particular stage?

Take a look:https://youtu.be/M3dj13W7dSk

[wwbroe]

Take a look:https://youtu.be/M3dj13W7dSk

I still remeber that one, what a drive that was.

[Fredouye]

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[dimviii]

Nice spots Fredouye!

[Fredouye]

What a wonderful stage...Tula, Monte Lerno and Argentiera, my new favourite trio

[polomayu]

How do the penalties work, 10 sec for each minute late at tc?
Enjoy the last two stages!

[jonkka]

How do the penalties work, 10 sec for each minute late at tc?

Yes

[wwbroe]

Ogier faster on first split

[wwbroe]

Sordo good on split 1 also

[meh]

Neuville vs Ogier - for this battle - both deserve the title.

[wwbroe]

Ogier is taking this one

[wwbroe]

Sordo keeps 9.2 sec advantage for power stage

[EstWRC]

thats enough of a cap for Sordo, just 7kms to go

[meh]

Tänak has now nothing to loose on PowerStage - he need points, if he don't get maximum, is game over anyway. Additionally he is not driving for manufacturer points, no pressure from there also.

[EstWRC]

Tänak has now nothing to loose on PowerStage - he need points, if he don't get maximum, is game over anyway. Additionally he is not driving for manufacturer points, no pressure from there also.

but if he bins it then it is 100% game over.

with two rounds? to go theres still 60 points up to grab. Although yes, its more theoretical chance for him.

[Rallyper]

It´s gonna be absolutely thrilling this last stage!!!

[TypeR]

Solberg/Mikkelsen first car with Pirelli Citroen ;)

[AnttiL]

Puncture for Kajto, Huttunen leads now by a minute

[Rallyper]

Kajto dropped one minute to Huttunen on SS15.

An 8th place for Huttunen is very good. One more coming Finn... :)

[meh]

Last year Sordo won it a bit as gift due to Tänak's powersteering problems. Hopefully this year he can take it purely by his own. And it's not taken away by team orders.

[TypeR]

nice to see Citroen back on stage ;)

Driver - Monster
coDriver - RedBull
:D

[EstWRC]

man so heartwarming to see this

[SubaruNorway]

Did anyone time Petter's run?

Understeer on braking and oversteer on throttle was his first comment haha

[Sulland]

Did anyone take the time on Petter/Andreas?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Loved the double Energy Drink logos

Did anyone get a time on their run?

[cali]

Yesterday there was no considerable advantage but he was only 8.6 seconds slower than Ogier and 6.3 slower than Neuville, during the whole day.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/60433-rally-italia-sardegna-2020/?leg=2I'm not saying that Sordo should be marginally slower but he had starting position advantage. I guess today morning he took little bit easier but wouldn't lead the really without favourable starting position.

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[EstWRC]

someone from twitter said the time was 5:10

[Rallyper]

Good!! Tidemand wins WRC2!!

[TypeR]

5.10 it was

[Rallyper]

Johnston rolled today again.

[GigiGalliNo1]

So Solberg, if counted would have been in 8-9th position going off the morning stage times SS14.

[Rallyper]

Can anyone tell what Jari H did wrong in Hyundai team a couple of years ago? Was some talk on swedish television that he blew himself out in some kind of way...

(Now he seems wiser and have his revenge...)

[AnttiL]

Another great result for Huttunen. However I think Bulacia will still keep leading WRC3 with one more rally under belt

[AnttiL]

Can anyone tell what Jari H did wrong in Hyundai team a couple of years ago? Was some talk on swedish television that he blew himself out in some kind of way...

(Now he seems wiser and have his revenge...)

His 2018 season was disappointing, but at the same time the car was really underperforming and underdeveloped.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Can anyone tell what Jari H did wrong in Hyundai team a couple of years ago? Was some talk on swedish television that he blew himself out in some kind of way...

(Now he seems wiser and have his revenge...)

I'd like to know too. I saw him last in Mexico a few years ago and thought something was up. Attitude of him or the team towards him...

[wwbroe]

Greensmith had some kind of a problem in there, but is running again

[Rallyper]

His 2018 season was disappointing, but at the same time the car was really underperforming and underdeveloped.

Yeah. But this was something about his person, or personality..? Swedish commentator didn´t of course mention the details.

[TypeR]

Greensmith had some kind of a problem in there, but is running again

Edmondson said ,,soft restart, soft restart''

[wwbroe]

Ott is looking really commited in there

[EstWRC]

at least 1 point for Ott but thats it i guess

[Tauri_J]

3 points for sure period

[cali]

at least 1 point for Ott but thats it i guess5,6 sek faster than Neuville's top time and improved his time 12,2 sek from the first run of this stage. Likely not enough.

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[EstWRC]

great drive from Evans the whole rally!

just like needed, nice.

[RS]

And once again, WRC3 crews beat home the WRC 2s.

[Tauri_J]

Lol slower than Ott

[meh]

Ogier must have some mistake now to loose 2nd place

[Tauri_J]

Neuville all over the place

[EstWRC]

i was hoping for that after i saw it was only 1 sec in split 1, the ending has been strong from Ott

[wwbroe]

Maybe broken disc for Neuville?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Well done Elfyn Evans - good safe job keeping the WRC lead. Could expect no more with his road position.

[EstWRC]

ogier losing 2.4!!

[Tauri_J]

5p for ott

[meh]

Ogier must have some mistake now to loose 2nd place

And seems he have done it.

[EstWRC]

what a time by Ott

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice one Neuville !

[wwbroe]

Neuville takes second

[EstWRC]

its so intense even the picture has gone from tv!

[EstWRC]

and a second Hyundai 1-2 again in three last rallies!

[meh]

Adamo's turn now...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great drive by Sordo on his comeback.

[AnttiL]

Adamo's turn now...

Nothing they can do now

The tightest podium ever, all three within 6,1 seconds

[GigiGalliNo1]

Love to see the Points table now!

[Fredouye]

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[meh]

Love to see the Points table now!

Not the same feeling for estonians...

[Humber]

Well done Sordo and del Barrio

[EstWRC]

Not the same feeling for estonians...

well of course the pic could have been different without that mechanical issue but he lost only 1 point to Evans with this rally in overall.

Sordos win helped Ott the most this week.

[mknight]

Note than on a normal length rally Sordo wouldn't have been able to keep the lead. Very good drive still.

[Rallyper]

Well done, Sordo. Congratulations!

[EstWRC]

https://www.upload.ee/image/12377395/Screenshot_2020-10-11_at_14.17.13.png

[wwbroe]

Well deserved victory for Danni, but what an epic fight once again between Seb and Thierry.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans lead cut by 4 pts.

[cali]

Happy for Sordo!

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[wwbroe]

Adamo's toughts were going to the codriver that died yesterday in Portugal.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice words by Adamo for Sordo.

[dimviii]

Hyundai Shell Mobis WRT 208
Toyota Gazoo Racing WRT 201
M-Sport Ford WRT 117
Hyundai 2C Competition 8

[EstWRC]

they just showed clips of Ypres, really remind me germany a lot.

[GigiGalliNo1]

I hope Hyundai let Dani keep this win!

[AnttiL]

they just showed clips of Ypres, really remind me germany a lot.

Similar nature - if there is a corner, it's either flat, square or hairpin. And lots of straights. And chicanes.

[wwbroe]

they just showed clips of Ypres, really remind me germany a lot.

It is quite different tough.

[EstWRC]

Similar nature - if there is a corner, it's either flat, square or hairpin. And lots of straights. And chicanes.

Tänak is rubbing hands :D

[AnttiL]

Tänak is rubbing hands :D

Evans and Ogier also rubbing hands by getting the best starting positions - it will get muddy.

[erikli2]

Is there some delay for the rest of the field? Only 24 cars through SS15. Effect of Johnson roll?

[wwbroe]

Another codriver was killed today in an accident in Ralli Vidreiro today, what a bad weekend for rallying. RIP

[T16]

Another codriver was killed today in an accident in Ralli Vidreiro today, what a bad weekend for rallying. RIP

I wonder if you are referring to the young lady, Laura Salvo? If so, it was yesterday. I really hope that there hasn't been another.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Another codriver was killed today in an accident in Ralli Vidreiro today, what a bad weekend for rallying. RIP

Tomas Aguado

[mknight]

Evans and Ogier also rubbing hands by getting the best starting positions - it will get muddy.

I see it as very unlikely that Ypres is ran atm. If it's only Monza, possibly even without road stages Evans can just cruise for 6th place and get title.

[SubaruNorway]

Happy Sordo finally got a win without any directly help from others having a crash or technical issues.

The spectators sure got themselves in the way of the camera a lot on that last stage for being a non spectator event....

[wwbroe]

I wonder if you are referring to the young lady, Laura Salvo? If so, it was yesterday. I really hope that there hasn't been another.

Unfortunally it is another one.:mad:

[Rallyper]

Unfortunally it is another one.:mad:

What cars or class are we talking about? R5 cars or less safer ones?

[wwbroe]

What cars or class are we talking about? R5 cars or less safer ones?
It was a Renault Clio

[polomayu]

And yesterday a peugeot 208 rally4

[Rally Power]

Another codriver was killed today in an accident in Ralli Vidreiro today, what a bad weekend for rallying. RIP

You should be more carefull and get these kind of news right before posting. The rally was cancelled yesterday, after the young codriver accident. The other sad news that came out today it's not related with that event.

[T16]

Unfortunally it is another one.:mad:

Oh no.

[PLuto]

Is there some delay for the rest of the field? Only 24 cars through SS15. Effect of Johnson roll?

INFORMATION ABOUT SS 15
Stage is cancelled, other crews will obtain notional times.
Stage is stopped because of crash st.no.42.
retired (42 - Johnston Sean / Kihurani Alex): accident in SS 15

link (https://rally-base.com/2020/rally-italia-sardegna-2020/?ssId=5998&ssGroupId=1)

[wwbroe]

You should be more carefull and get these kind of news right before posting. The rally was cancelled yesterday, after the young codriver accident. The other sad news that came out today it's not related with that event.
I didn't say it was related with that same event, i even mentioned the rally where the accident took place. The important thing is that yet another codriver passed away in this same weekend.

[Sulland]

Cred to Sordo, coming in and winning on gravel, after a long time without a rally at this level!

I need to adjust him up for future pickems!

[Rally Power]

I didn't say it was related with that same event, i even mentioned the rally where the accident took place. The important thing is that yet another codriver passed away in this same weekend.

For God's sake; the rally you've mentioned, Rallye Vidreiro, was the one that was cancelled yesterday, after the young girl unfortunate accident.

[wwbroe]

For God's sake; the rally you've mentioned, Rallye Vidreiro, was the one that was cancelled yesterday, after the young girl unfortunate accident.
Sorry for that mistake Rally Power, it was not at all my intention, that is what i read.
Seems it happened at Rally del Sosio, my mistake.

[AnttiL]

Note than on a normal length rally Sordo wouldn't have been able to keep the lead. Very good drive still.

How come? Sunday was now exactly the same as four previous years. Friday and Saturday were both shorter than normally, so his starting position advantage would have been longer, but also the time he drove in equal starting position on Saturday would have been equally longer. The biggest difference was the absence of any super specials, which could have made the difference of those few seconds!

[mknight]

How come? Sunday was now exactly the same as four previous years. Friday and Saturday were both shorter than normally, so his starting position advantage would have been longer, but also the time he drove in equal starting position on Saturday would have been equally longer. The biggest difference was the absence of any super specials, which could have made the difference of those few seconds!

I just know it ;) (joke)

You are right, both legs were 40km longer. So it's not certain at all.

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

Sordo again jumping in the sea
https://twitter.com/rallyssimo/status/1315310996299419648

[dimviii]

?????

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkEADymWsAYg6YU?format=jpg&name=large

[AnttiL]

https://yle.fi/urheilu/3-11590112

This says Sordo's car hasn't passed final scrutineering

[dimviii]

https://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/smooth/omg.gif


Dani Sordon Hyunda has found something illegal during the final inspection. Official results have not yet been published. The jury is apparently considering the matter at the moment. #rally #mmrally

https://twitter.com/T_Tuominen/status/1315346734416003074

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkEUlKoXgAAF9_P?format=jpg&name=medium

[EstWRC]

Text to it by Ogier: No winners on board this time..but proper bottles! ��

https://twitter.com/sebogier/status/1315355200845017089?s=21

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkEYNs9XgAMgcD4?format=jpg&name=large

[dimviii]

Andre was faster.

[TypeR]

...

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkEUlKoXgAAF9_P?format=jpg&name=medium

https://twitter.com/AndreaKaiser/status/1315363469462568961

[AnttiL]

I just love it how these dudes are still such friends although biggest rivals in rival teams :)

[dimviii]

I just love it how these dudes are still such friends although biggest rivals in rival teams :)

this is not friendly though...

Scott Martin
@scottmartinat
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2m
I’ve seen exclusion in the past but times have changed I guess.

[TypeR]

this is not friendly though...

Scott Martin
@scottmartinat
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2m
I’ve seen exclusion in the past but times have changed I guess.

Ooh.. shut up..

[Mirek]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkEYNs9XgAMgcD4?format=jpg&name=large


Those rules.. :lol: ,,5 teaspoons of sugar too lightweight'' and 10k eur fine (or 30k if similar problem occurs during 12 months time)

This is a thing for which everyone bar works team would be immediately excluded. That's simply a fact and we have seen that gazillion times.

Even last week FIA in their decision about exclusion of Lindholm from Latvia wrote that it is irrelevant how much a measured value cross the tolerance limit. The tolerance is there to give no discussion about breaching it. They also clearly wrote in the very same decision from last week that any consideration of the competitive advantage coming from the breach of the tolerance must not be considered an excuse.

[Kradovech]

At least it was just a fine, it would have been silly if they had taken the win away from Sordo.

[Mirek]

At least it was just a fine, it would have been silly if they had taken the win away from Sordo.

No, it would not have been silly. It would be perfectly by the rules applied to everyone else.

Again, this decision completely contradicts last week decision about exclusion of Lindholm from the Rally Liepaja and about hundreds of other cases.

It's irrelevant how much a value cross the tolerance. The tolerance is set exactly to avoid any discussion about the size of infringement and about any competitive advantage.

[T16]

At least it was just a fine, it would have been silly if they had taken the win away from Sordo.

There’s also the high possibility it would have taken Hyundai away from the championship too. Hurts to say it, but the last thing that the FIA want to do is piss off one of two manus that are part of the championship, very much especially at the moment.

[Kradovech]

No, it would not have been silly. It would be perfectly by the rules applied to everyone else.

Again, this decision completely contradicts last week decision about exclusion of Lindholm from the Rally Liepaja and about hundreds of other cases.

It's irrelevant how much a value cross the tolerance. The tolerance is set exactly to avoid any discussion about the size of infringement and about any competitive advantage.

It would have been justified, yes. But it would have been a silly situation nonetheless - a very small mistake by the team and major consequences.
I would say that since no real advantage was gained, a fine is reasonable punishment.

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr_COu7nQH4

[dimviii]

Mirek is right,while there is no advantage to this particular case,rules are rules.
Plenty of others disqualified for the same reasons.
I wouldnt like Sordo to withdraw,but everyone must play with same rules.

[dimviii]

Ogier opened his mouth ,and i am sure he didnt think twice what he said.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkEmhECXgAA6t6B?format=jpg&name=medium

[Mirek]

It would have been justified, yes. But it would have been a silly situation nonetheless - a very small mistake by the team and major consequences.
I would say that since no real advantage was gained, a fine is reasonable punishment.

Do You agree when the very same rules are applied in a different way in relation to the manufacturers and the privateers and when FIA completely contradicts their own statements in matter of days?

[wwbroe]

Ogier opened his mouth ,and i am sure he didnt think twice what he said.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkEmhECXgAA6t6B?format=jpg&name=medium

What about unlimited testing in neighbourhood of Jyvaskyla?

[dimviii]

Transcript of the post-event press conference organised by the FIA for the 2020 Rally Italia Sardegna.

https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-d-sordo-you-could-see-others-were-pushing-really-hard

[AnttiL]

What about unlimited testing in neighbourhood of Jyvaskyla?

Not anymore in two years, and never on the route of Rally Finland the same year...

[EstWRC]

this is not friendly though...

Scott Martin
@scottmartinat
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2m
I’ve seen exclusion in the past but times have changed I guess.

I would like to hear Ogiers opinion about this

[Kradovech]

Do You agree when the very same rules are applied in a different way in relation to the manufacturers and the privateers and when FIA completely contradicts their own statements in matter of days?

Sorry, I am not informed enough. What particcular incident do you have in mind?

In general I agree that the rules are same for everyone, and all transgressions should be followed by a punishment. However it seems fair that the severity of the penalty depends on the severity of the transgression of the particcular rule. In this instance the limit is set to 2%, Hyundais value was 2,3%. Had it been say 4%, a more severe penalty would be natural.
So where would I draw a line? When should it be a fine, when a time penalty, when a disqualification of the driver or when should it be a disqualification of the entire team? Its a difficult question as any line, although necessary, would be arbritary. Luckily its a a question which is not up to me to answer.

That being said, obviously the rules should be applied the same way to privateers. If anything, the fine should be reduced for a similar transgression (In this instance exceeding the limitation by 0,3%)

[denkimi]

Similar nature - if there is a corner, it's either flat, square or hairpin. And lots of straights. And chicanes.
euhm, no.
some square corners, but no hairpins or chicanes. it has mostly fast flowing corners.

its narrow, slippery, has many tricky place and deep cuts everywhere. but most importantly has deep ditches almost everywhere.

[TypeR]

wrong thread

[T16]

What would lead them to inspect the subframe? It’s a fairly integrated part in terms of what is bolted to it, isn’t it? Would they have spotted something / totally random / had a tip off?
Let’s face it, 25g is pretty much invisible isn’t it.

[Mirek]

Let’s face it, 25g is pretty much invisible isn’t it.

It was not 25 gramms lighter but 211 gramms lighter.

You guys mix nominal homologated value with lower tolerance limit. That is two different things. Guess why there is the tolerance?

[Rally Power]

No, it would not have been silly. It would be perfectly by the rules applied to everyone else.

Again, this decision completely contradicts last week decision about exclusion of Lindholm from the Rally Liepaja and about hundreds of other cases.


Aren't fines current nowadays in the wrc? when was the last time that a manu driver was 'properly' penalized for tech infrigements? But you're totally right on the privateers discrimination, althought for some of them these values would probably mean a huge blow on their budgets.

P.S.: huge congrats to Sordo/del Barrio, Huttunen/Lukka and Hyundai.

[cali]

I'm with Mirek on this one. There's tolerances and they were below MINIMUM weight.

I can understand in both ways and problably Sordo did not gain any real advantage because of it but in the same time these are the RULES. And rules should've applied to anyone.

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[er88]

I'm actually shocked there's been no time penalty or even disqualification.

[SubaruNorway]

What would lead them to inspect the subframe? It’s a fairly integrated part in terms of what is bolted to it, isn’t it? Would they have spotted something / totally random / had a tip off?
Let’s face it, 25g is pretty much invisible isn’t it.

Could it be that It was subframe that got a crack or something on Tänak's car on Friday causing the "suspension problem" and they wanted to check if something was done to it?

[T16]

It was not 25 gramms lighter but 211 gramms lighter.

You guys mix nominal homologated value with lower tolerance limit. That is two different things. Guess why there is the tolerance?

Ah - OK.. must have misinterpreted.

I’m still pretty certain he didn’t get disqualified from the rally because of the threat of them pulling out of the championship.

[mknight]

It is perfectly possible to also give time penalties and not just disqualification or fine (= nothing).
Lukyanuk go 1 min penalty for similar thing last year in Roma Capitale.


Off course it's a political decision not to "anger" Hyundai, and we know that Tommi is not really a guy to complain too much. Ogier might...

Imo the "wise" middle ground would have been to give him 1 min penalty and drop him to 3rd, moving Ogier and Toyota 1 spot. That way Hyundai would still lead manu champ but by less points.

[macebig]

It's scandalous that Hyundai's don't get at least a time penalty. Guess taking their ball home at Nurburgring 2 weeks ago has worked and now FIA let's them get away with what they want...

[Humber]

These are just a few I remember

Burn's flywheel 20 grams too light in Argentina = exclusion from Burn's inherited win.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/19079/burns-accepts-argentina-exclusion

Hirvonen's clutch and turbo in 2012 Portugal. The turbo part .02mm too big. Hirvonen's win transferred to Ostberg,
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/98551/clutch-turbo-key-to-hirvonen-case

2009 Rally Australia - antiroll bars - Citroen - 1 minute penalty. Hirvonen/ Ford winner instead of Loeb.

[GigiGalliNo1]

https://youtu.be/U5G7wH_cYjQ

3:23 hairpin
3:41 chicane

You're right that hairpins and chicanes aren't as common in Ypres as in Germany. Let's say we take out Baumholder and vinyards, the country stages are quite similar to Ypres.

The main thing is that it's relatively rare to get a medium speed corner, it's either very fast or very slow.

Further discussion on Ypres should me moved to seperate thread.

[flykas]

Really interesting weekend. Same fight between Ogier And Neuville as two years ago and Neuville won again. I was hoping that Ogier would take this one, but I guess now things are more interesting for the future. And can someone explain Suninen's phenomenon? As I see it, when he beat everyone by 12s it wasn't just because of the road position because there were guys going after him. Man, that was impressive and wonder why didn't it last.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Looks like Hyundai got away with one. A fine as a penalty is poor enough for an intraction of the rules, but this is even a suspended fine.

Mind you, Toyota got away with their over-sized rear wing last year.

[AnttiL]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/what-we-learned-from-2020-rally-italy/




On the Cala Flumini stage that was the exact same 8.73 miles in length in 2016 – when the older generation cars last ran at the front of the WRC – as it was in 2020, who do you think was quicker? The quickest overall time in 2016 from Thierry Neuville or the fastest Rally2 in 2020 from Mads Østberg?



Neuville posted a 9m08.1s on the first pass and got that down to an 8m53.0s on the second. As for Østberg, he set a time of 9m06.2s first thing on Sunday – 1.9s faster than Neuville in ’16 – and a 8m53.1s on the second pass, just 0.1s shy.

[meh]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/what-we-learned-from-2020-rally-italy/

Interesting to compare them and R5 definitely is quicker now than in 2016, but the main parameter should be road condition? In 2016 it was in June, now in October. Maybe road was enough more damp and packed go give more grip?

[AnttiL]

Interesting to compare them and R5 definitely is quicker now than in 2016, but the main parameter should be road condition? In 2016 it was in June, now in October. Maybe road was enough more damp and packed go give more grip?

Well the progression with the current WRC cars was only slight from last year (actually from 2018), so I wouldn't say the road was considerably faster this year.

WRC
2020 Ogier 8:23.2
2019 Mikkelsen 8:34.8
2018 Neuville 8:28.9
2017 Lappi 8:46.9
2016 Neuville 8:53.0

RC2
2020 Østberg 8:53.1
2019 Østberg 8:58.4
2018 Veiby 9:09.9
2017 Camilli 9:18.2 (second run cancelled)
2016 Lappi 9.03.8

In 2016 Lappi was 5th on the stage on the Skoda R5, beating Ogier, Sordo and Tänak in WRC cars!

[denkimi]

Mind you, Toyota got away with their over-sized rear wing last year.
Not just last year, they got away with it for 2 and a half year before anyone noticed it was illegal.

[tommeke_B]

That was actually a mistake by FIA, for having the wing homologated as it was.

[dimviii]

some interesting stuff from Adamo.Also a big bravo to Dirtfish for bringing this info out.

What was going on? How could the man who’d already won twice here be so far out to sea with the set-up. Had the changes made to the i20 to speed it up on fast gravel compromised it on the slower stuff?

“That’s a simplistic answer,” was team principal Andrea Adamo’s straight answer. “If I would say that, then I would also be stupid in respect of the job done by my engineers. This is not a Formula 1 car and we are not running in Monte Carlo with the Monza set-up. We are just modifying many things. And, don’t forget, for certain stages it’s easier to set the car up for Estonia than it is for Sardinia.

“There have been many differences in the stages this morning. The first stage was technical, twisty and the second one was faster and both with different surfaces. The best compromise has not been found.

“And let me say one more thing, if I may be permitted. If I check the stage times it’s not really that [Neuville’s car] doesn’t work; if I’m not wrong in the last stage it was one-two [for Hyundais] and if it didn’t work, it would not have been like this. Of course, I say it like this, sometimes Thierry is more Italian than me. Emotions can take control of him. We have to modify the set-up for his needs, I’m not worried about this.

“We modified a lot of the car this summer and I feel we still have a lot of things to unlock that are new and we have to understand exactly what we have to put to make it work perfectly for everybody.”

But still, here’s the thing, in search of the best compromise, Neuville reached out to Sordo and the dampers he was using to help him find the feeling himself. He’d tried it the Sordo way in shakedown, but it didn’t work. In service after SS4, he was willing to give it another shot.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/how-sordo-leapt-to-a-second-sardinia-win-in-a-row/

[SubaruNorway]

Interesting to compare them and R5 definitely is quicker now than in 2016, but the main parameter should be road condition? In 2016 it was in June, now in October. Maybe road was enough more damp and packed go give more grip?

Cala Flumini is a bit of an unique stage though, not a lot of places where the WRC gets to stretch It's legs with it being so narrow and twisty. Conditions in the powerstage was much better coming down the hill this year, looked like they had put some better gravel on it maybe.
When you saw the difference between WRC and R5 at the fast section in Erula-Tula with the tricky bump on the left hander and jump by the windmills you clearly see why WRC is so much better to watch

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaIbT8yT-Os
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFMQn36RMYw

[AnttiL]

Cala Flumini is a bit of an unique stage though, not a lot of places where the WRC gets to stretch It's legs with it being so narrow and twisty.

There's a couple of very fast places but I guess R5 benefits in the narrowest places with less width and a simpler center diff, just like on super specials

[Fredouye]

Here are my pictures (shakedown + 8 special stages) : https://flic.kr/s/aHsmRnUrvJ

[EstWRC]

nice pics man!

any other stories to tell of the event?

[Fredouye]

A lot, give me a few hours

[Rally Power]

These are just a few I remember

Burn's flywheel 20 grams too light in Argentina = exclusion from Burn's inherited win.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/19079/burns-accepts-argentina-exclusion

Hirvonen's clutch and turbo in 2012 Portugal. The turbo part .02mm too big. Hirvonen's win transferred to Ostberg,
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/98551/clutch-turbo-key-to-hirvonen-case

2009 Rally Australia - antiroll bars - Citroen - 1 minute penalty. Hirvonen/ Ford winner instead of Loeb.

Those are good examples of time penalties, and even exclusions, that were used in the past but at some point (2015?) they started to be replaced by fines, which become the new normal. Hyundai 50k€ fine in Italy 2016, for lighter rear windows, is also a good example as some years before Ford drivers got a 5m penalty for a similar infringement (Portugal '07).

[EstWRC]

A lot, give me a few hours

seems to be very long post :D

[Fredouye]

Sorry, a lot of work after these 4 days off, and English is not my native language :)

As a lot of people, I guess, I was still hesitating about this rally ten days ago...especially with the huge entry list.
In my case, I thought the sanitary risk was quite low, as I use to sleep in my car and bring my own food.
I spent a few days using WRC+ / Rally-Maps / OpenStreetMaps looking for "hidden" paths to the special stages, and planned to walk before sunrise...

I took a covid-19 test last Monday, filled all the required forms, booked a "fake" hotel and took the ferry from France last Wednesday. It turned out, when arriving in Sardegna, that _nothing_ was required, I just had a quick temperature check...

Thursday morning was spent trying to find access to the Castelsardo special stage, and then I got to the Olmeldo city, head of the shakedown. A lot of marshalls and cops, it began to smell bad :)
In fact when trying to reach one of the places where I'd planned to park, some marshalls were guiding people...I walked to the shakedown, and saw...a food truck, a parking, tens of cops, a few tens of spectators !
It turned out marshalls were just trying to keep people behind the green lines...After that, I began to think it would be easier than expected.

Some more recel in the afternoon, and I headed to the Tula special stage for the night. I was the second car parking here (hello Matthias :)), but when waking up there were a few dozens of other cars...and at least 100 people at the junction with the road. I spent the 2 loops in Tula, which is a wonderful rollercoaster place, and then took my car to the Castelsardo special stage.

When arriving in Castelsardo, I began chatting with 3 marshalls which offered me a fresh beer (which I refused, but I was happy to accept a fresh bottle of water :)). They were super nice, but not very concerned by covid-19 issues, and had no instructions about blocking the access to spectators...

After ~ 40 cars I went back to my car, and rejoined the Monte Lerno special stage. I parked outside of the stage, which turned out to be a "mistake", as I had to walk 20km that day...same here with the marshalls, only one told be (it was still dark) not to walk on the road, and the marshalls on my first loop's spot were very nice, I showed them photos of the last day, it was nice. Timetable was the same as the day before, with 2-3 hours to get to the afternoon special stages, and I went back to the Castelsardo special stage.

This was the only time I've found marshalls to be "nervous", because of 10-20 spectators just after a series of 3 bumps...but they left and everything went smooth.

I then got to the powerstage for the night, on a parking ~ 200m from the beach. At 11PM there were...3 cars parked.
In the morning a lot of cops, which were only dealing with cars badly parked on the side of the road.
But A LOT of marshalls on the special stage, with groups of 10/50 people all around the public areas, which cover the entire special stage. Once again, marshalls were not too concerned about placement, I was able to get "close" to the cars on some places.

To sum up, I haven't meet anyone (marshalls/cops) who had instructions about blocking the public...but I met A LOT of people (especially young ones) without masks, even some marshalls...

A wonderful event, 8 special stages, 51km of walking, I had the chance to meet some nice people, and talk to a few pro photographers...I'll definitely try to come back next June, fingers crossed !

[T16]

Fredouye, fantastic post, feels like I’ve been to an actual rally now! Thank you and really happy for you that you had a good adventure!
Top man!

[dimviii]

nice post Fredouye! also nice photos,specially Neuvilles at air,and nice selected spots!

[dimviii]

“He had a 34s lead and he won by six seconds,” said Adamo, “I didn’t tell him to create this level of emotion and tension! Honestly, I have to remind him that he is paid by Hyundai and not by the promoter!

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/how-adamo-spooked-sordo-in-italy-decider/

[dimviii]

nice photo with Kalle

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2020/jpo_2000287-rovanpera-pn.jpg

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[Sulland]

Tänak said that suspension issue.

Did someone say what the issue was on the first morning for Tanak?

[Pascal 07]

Les photos de Jean-Loup sont en ligne....

https://zupimages.net/up/20/43/vct1.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=20/43/vct1.jpg)

https://zupimages.net/up/20/43/4teq.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=20/43/4teq.jpg)

https://zupimages.net/up/20/43/o2ge.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=20/43/o2ge.jpg)

https://zupimages.net/up/20/43/atmc.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=20/43/atmc.jpg)

http://motors-photos.com/jean-loup-pontet.htm

[EstWRC]

Did someone say what the issue was on the first morning for Tanak?

suspension issue

[Rallyper]

suspension issue

I guess he wish a more detailed description... ;)

Me too.