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PLuto
26th January 2020, 09:52
Because this broadcast is targeted to "regular" viewers who might get confused if the car switches in the middle and then cuts to someone else's interview? I dunno. We understand this sport, but it's complicated to explain for the average man down the road.

I agree that it was dull to watch, but I also try to understand why they chose to do it like this.

I think most of the people watching it are rally fans. And I think that also "regulars" will understand that stage end interview in small box is different car than running on big screen. And I am sure that also this regulars will prefer to see the cars running on stage than only watching drivers staying on start/finish line.

AnttiL
26th January 2020, 09:58
I think most of the people watching it are rally fans. And I think that also "regulars" will understand that stage end interview in small box is different car than running on big screen. And I am sure that also this regulars will prefer to see the cars running on stage than only watching drivers staying on start/finish line.

Well, I know people who tune in if there's rallying on TV but don't follow the results or news other than maybe once a day. They don't know all the drivers by name etc.

And about the picture in picture interview, I think it's still better television if there's full size interview, although as a rally fan I'd rather see more driving footage.

KKS
26th January 2020, 10:09
Well, I know people who tune in if there's rallying on TV but don't follow the results or news other than maybe once a day. They don't know all the drivers by name etc.

And about the picture in picture interview, I think it's still better television if there's full size interview, although as a rally fan I'd rather see more driving footage.
But 'regulars' want rally, and got interview-analysis friday talk-show.. I bet that not they want

Rallyper
26th January 2020, 10:12
That talk about Ogier saving points rather than winning isn´t what has been written here on forum for the past ten years. Because he is not saving anything. His speed isn´t there. It´s as simple as that.

Ogier want to win every time. Now his pace just isn´t enough. Car, tyre choice or just driver. We don´t know.

Wouldn´t surprise me at all if he wins PS...

Fast Eddie WRC
26th January 2020, 10:13
Lappi drifting https://twitter.com/ChristianWRC1/status/1221366618804105216?s=20

Got Mail
26th January 2020, 10:20
Now it is cancelled.

Pluto - why would the organisers send 40 cars into a stage that is blocked?

Seems a strange decision.

EstWRC
26th January 2020, 10:23
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPMqgjgWAAA8AmN?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPMqgjmXkAEc11l?format=jpg&name=large

KKS
26th January 2020, 10:23
That talk about Ogier saving points rather than winning isn´t what has been written here on forum for the past ten years. Because he is not saving anything. His speed isn´t there. It´s as simple as that.

Ogier want to win every time. Now his pace just isn´t enough. Car, tyre choice or just driver. We don´t know.

Wouldn´t surprise me at all if he wins PS...
For this reason 'not saving anything' Ogier got 6 WDC. Meeke and JML that really pushing and crashing have how much on both? 0? Haha.. Really not working strategy for Ogier ;)

PLuto
26th January 2020, 10:25
Pluto - why would the organisers send 40 cars into a stage that is blocked?

Seems a strange decision.

I also dont understand. Maybe there is remote refuel which should be an issue in case of using alternative road?

PLuto
26th January 2020, 10:26
Suninen is on the road of SS 15 for more than 5 minutes and there is only chatting and talking about morning...

Eli
26th January 2020, 10:27
The stage has already started bit as usual they haven't got the pictures..... what the hell?!?!?!?!? this is 2020, how come they are still having issues with the pictures, I wouldn't have been so cross if this WRC+ was free but since it isn't this is just plain rude....

mknight
26th January 2020, 10:28
Yeah Suninen trough half stage and no pics..some technical issues?

deephouse
26th January 2020, 10:28
I bet that out of 5 pictures none of them are actually working like always.

Eli
26th January 2020, 10:30
Yeah Suninen trough half stage and no pics..some technical issues?

Honestly this is a disgrace....

Jakem
26th January 2020, 10:30
For this reason 'not saving anything' Ogier got 6 WDC. Meeke and JML that really pushing and crashing have how much on both? 0? Haha.. Really not working strategy for Ogier ;)
Haha you are compearing Ogier with Meek? Prokop used your strategy for years, how much titels he got:D?

cali
26th January 2020, 10:32
Some of you here are making wild assumption of everything:

- Rovanperä being brilliant to awful
- Ott very slow (was faster than Thierry on tarmac while it lasted) after 3 stages. Too soon to tell anything
- Ogier has lost it, no motivation etc
- Toyota dominant (while Thierry is leading and today so far destroying everybody else)

You forget that Monte is a very special event
Etc etc

Funny stuff guys, keep it going

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Rallyper
26th January 2020, 10:33
For this reason 'not saving anything' Ogier got 6 WDC. Meeke and JML that really pushing and crashing have how much on both? 0? Haha.. Really not working strategy for Ogier ;)

Disagree. Ogier rather push for 30 points than being 2nd. That has been for ten years now.

deephouse
26th January 2020, 10:33
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPMqgjmXkAEc11l?format=jpg&name=large

He looks like Gerard Depardieu.

KKS
26th January 2020, 10:35
Haha you are compearing Ogier with Meek? Prokop used your strategy for years, how much titels he got:D?
U need speed for sure. But if you got two choices: 1. Back off, got P3 and be WDC at the end. 2. Show great speed, post 2 fastest times and than crash and got 0 pts. Rally, and Rally season itself it's a long game, you need manage your lows, Ogier now doing that.
All you wish for him show great stage time and than crash on 180+ kph and spend night in hospital... for what? P3 - 15pts. Night in hospital - 0pts. U choose ;)

Rallyper
26th January 2020, 10:37
U need speed for sure. But if you got two choices: 1. Back off, got P3 and be WDC at the end. 2. Show great speed, post 2 fastest times and than crash and got 0 pts. Rally, and Rally season itself it's a long game, you need manage your lows, Ogier now doing that.
All you wish for him show great stage time and than crash on 180+ kph and spend night in hospital... for what? P3 - 15pts. Night in hospital - 0pts. U choose ;)

You talk about "you", like drivers in general. I´m talking about Ogier. He never backed off for 2nd if possible to win. Now he will aim for winning PS.

mknight
26th January 2020, 10:37
This way Rovanpera will pass Loeb

EstWRC
26th January 2020, 10:37
All you wish for him show great stage time and than crash on 180+ kph and spend night in hospital... for what? P3 - 15pts. Night in hospital - 0pts. U choose ;)

what kind of sick human being would wish that? you are getting very silly now with your comments

Rallyper
26th January 2020, 10:39
Loeb in trouble?

KKS
26th January 2020, 10:40
Loeb saving tyres?

KKS
26th January 2020, 10:40
You talk about "you", like drivers in general. I´m talking about Ogier. He never backed off for 2nd if possible to win. Now he will aim for winning PS.
You should know Ogier better

TypeR
26th January 2020, 10:42
Seems like Loeb losing place to Kalle, but no difference in manu points for Hyundai

Rallyper
26th January 2020, 10:43
You should know Ogier better

What? I´m just referring to what he has done the past ten years or so. 6 WDC titles included in that strategy.

EstWRC
26th January 2020, 10:44
seems very slippery, sudden slides for Thierry all the time

mknight
26th January 2020, 10:45
really weird from Loeb tbh, he has never been know as a tire destroyer

TypeR
26th January 2020, 10:45
okay.. what a BS.. no new tires for last 2 stages..

EstWRC
26th January 2020, 10:46
Ogier definitely trying now

EstWRC
26th January 2020, 10:53
Evans just 1.5 ahead of Ogier now, hmmmm.....


Good time from Lappi

AnttiL
26th January 2020, 10:54
I bet that out of 5 pictures none of them are actually working like always.

Have we had any rotating map moments on All Live this weekend? I remember one from the beginning of shakedown, that's all.

mknight
26th January 2020, 10:55
really weird from Loeb tbh, he has never been know as a tire destroyer

I re-checked.

Loeb is on 5 SS
others on 3+3

So it can make sense that he has no tires left

Mistake in tire choice from him then.

AnttiL
26th January 2020, 10:56
I re-checked.

Loeb is on 5 SS
others on 3+3

So it can make sense that he has no tires left

Mistake in tire choice from him then.

He already admitted that at the end of SS14 interview. It could have been "an inspired tyre choice" like in Catalunya, but now he got it wrong.

PLuto
26th January 2020, 10:57
Have we had any rotating map moments on All Live this weekend? I remember one from the beginning of shakedown, that's all.

I remember it many times. Especially today it is main programme of the day ;)

mknight
26th January 2020, 10:58
He already admitted that at the end of SS14 interview. It could have been "an inspired tyre choice" like in Catalunya, but now he got it wrong.

But he was 14s ahead of Lappi with nobody to catch in front.... seems strange to make a risky tirechoice in that position.

Rallyper
26th January 2020, 10:59
I re-checked.

Loeb is on 5 SS
others on 3+3

So it can make sense that he has no tires left

Mistake in tire choice from him then.

He said at the end of SS15 he had one tyre destroyed. Played it safe for PS.

Katvala
26th January 2020, 10:59
Have we had any rotating map moments on All Live this weekend? I remember one from the beginning of shakedown, that's all.Very little. The coverage has been very good, very few times have the footage been cut or had problems. And the video feels smoother than last year (dunno if this is just in my head or not)

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KKS
26th January 2020, 11:04
what kind of sick human being would wish that? you are getting very silly now with your comments
I'm not wishing nothing bad for all. You and Ott and Ogier should managing risks. Ott ver1.0 before 2017 was same as Meeke and JML - pushing and crashing. Ogier never push more that he feel. He feel 96% - he push 96%. Even if he knows that put him on P3, P4 or P5. No more than you feel. Ott always drove few % over it. If he was lucky - not crashing, if not - crashing. That 2017 year with Ogier in one team makes from crashing Ott ver1.0 - to a WDC Ott ver2.0, cuz he start driving as it feels. It's Ogier approach. But now 3rd season without Ogier in one team Ott starts to downgrading to 1.0 version. He want a prove that in new team he still fast and start overdriving own limits - and crash. Ogier know that and never overdrove own limits.
Ogier feel 96% → push 96% → got P3
Tanak feel 96% → push 98% → got crash and 0 pts. Simple as that.
I know for you it's unpleasant to read cuz Ott national hero, but Ott should try play long game as Ogier did. So far Ogier smarter than Ott.

Fast Eddie WRC
26th January 2020, 11:04
I fancied Neuville before the rally and he's proving me right. He's been fast here many times and won many stages so a win was likely eventually. Plus with others all in new cars it was a even better chance.

KKS
26th January 2020, 11:06
Very little. The coverage has been very good, very few times have the footage been cut or had problems. And the video feels smoother than last year (dunno if this is just in my head or not)

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video parameters same as last year.
720p, 25fps, 2000 kbps

mknight
26th January 2020, 11:06
I fancied Neuville before the rally and he's proving me right. He's been fast here many times and won many stages so a win was likely eventually. Plus with others all in new cars it was a even better chance.

He should have won in 2017. So indeed it was a matter of time. Last year he lost it with that small off to the side-road.
Only one not to change cars surely helped.

mknight
26th January 2020, 11:07
Btw. it looks like in R5, Citroen C3 will have first 5 positions!

Katvala
26th January 2020, 11:08
Neuville has won half of the stages in the rally https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200126/12a96d2814a14da90b4d60229a113713.jpg

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TypeR
26th January 2020, 11:11
I'm not wishing nothing bad for all. You and Ott and Ogier should managing risks. Ott ver1.0 before 2017 was same as Meeke and JML - pushing and crashing. Ogier never push more that he feel. He feel 96% - he push 96%. Even if he knows that put him on P3, P4 or P5. No more than you feel. Ott always drove few % over it. If he was lucky - not crashing, if not - crashing. That 2017 year with Ogier in one team makes from crashing Ott ver1.0 - to a WDC Ott ver2.0, cuz he start driving as it feels. It's Ogier approach. But now 3rd season without Ogier in one team Ott starts to downgrading to 1.0 version. He want a prove that in new team he still fast and start overdriving own limits - and crash. Ogier know that and never overdrove own limits.
Ogier feel 96% → push 96% → got P3
Tanak feel 96% → push 98% → got crash and 0 pts. Simple as that.
I know for you it's unpleasant to read cuz Ott national hero, but Ott should try play long game as Ogier did. So far Ogier smarter than Ott.

what are you talking? 3 stages in a new car, admits the mistake and now from your words, he can't drive anymore?

what about Ogier's Sardegna attempt to break the huge stone or stuck in snow in Sweden? alao downgrading?

Fast Eddie WRC
26th January 2020, 11:13
eWRC-results

With 3 WRC stage wins today @thierryneuville moves ahead of @OttTanak in the all-time stats - 225 stage wins against 223.

KKS
26th January 2020, 11:17
what are you talking? 3 stages in a new car, admits the mistake and now from your words, he can't drive anymore?

what about Ogier's Sardegna attempt to break the huge stone or stuck in snow in Sweden? alao downgrading?
When it's a new car, when it's only 4th stage - NOT PUSH MAXIMUM! Lose time, get confidence, when get-in - start to push. You all blaming Ogier that he slow and not overdrive own limits. And he's bad. Ott that push 100% with new car and crash got all right? And he's good?
You need check a standings table 2 hrs later to clarify ;)

TypeR
26th January 2020, 11:20
we can never know, what would have happened to others if they weren't warned by fans.. Teemu went before Tänak and had a moment there.. If Neuville and Ogier had passed the place with their right speed, there might have happened something bad also.

KKS
26th January 2020, 11:24
we can never know, what would have happened to others if they weren't warned by fans.. Teemu went before Tänak and had a moment there.. If Neuville and Ogier had passed the place with their right speed, there might have happened something bad also.
You never think that Teemu push little bit less than Ott? 1-2kph - make huge difference everywhere. From that bumps, to icy sections

Frostmourne
26th January 2020, 11:31
Any links for the powerstage?

Eli
26th January 2020, 11:33
Any guesses for Ogier winning that PS and taking off second place from Evans? Probably Toyota has already told Evans before the last one to give his place to Ogier...

EstWRC
26th January 2020, 11:35
Any guesses for Ogier winning that PS and taking off second place from Evans? Probably Toyota has already told Evans before the last one to give his place to Ogier...

nooooo, dont you remember the words before the season started and how it has been in Toyota the previous years?

no team orders!

cali
26th January 2020, 11:35
Any links for the powerstage?plus.wrc.com

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mknight
26th January 2020, 11:35
Adamo before Monte:
"We have the best car, but we also need the best drivers" (when asked about lineup)

Adamo right now:
"In certain situations it was more Thiery and Nicolas than our car keepig us in the fight"

Eli
26th January 2020, 11:36
nooooo, dont you remember the words before the season started and how it has been in Toyota the previous years?

no team orders!

Of course EstWRC, whatever you say ;)

TypeR
26th January 2020, 11:38
Of course EstWRC, whatever you say ;)

can't compare last years to 2020.. I bet that with 6x WDC it's can be a bit different. I think if Evans was 1st, then it wouldn't have happened, but with Evans being 2nd and Ogier 3rd, it may happen.

dimviii
26th January 2020, 11:40
Evans suddenly slower from Lappi.....

EstWRC
26th January 2020, 11:42
Of course EstWRC, whatever you say ;)

its not me, Ogier and Evans told this to autosport.com ;)

TypeR
26th January 2020, 11:49
like for real? :D Mads, can you explain what was that?

mknight
26th January 2020, 12:01
With Loeb ending behind Lappi I am sure there will be some complains to FIA about the legality of MSports front grille modification.

Fast Eddie WRC
26th January 2020, 12:02
Jocius safely home. Living the dream.

Fast Eddie WRC
26th January 2020, 12:04
Poor rally from Suninen, can do much better.

mknight
26th January 2020, 12:05
He actually got 8 out of it, which is somewhat amazing given what happened on first two stages and his speed rest of the weekend.

Fast Eddie WRC
26th January 2020, 12:09
Loeb just cruising home.

dimviii
26th January 2020, 12:10
Sébastien Loeb
@SebastienLoeb
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We made a choice with the team this morning by betting on the rain ... It did not come
��
So, we killed our tires from the first ... Our goal is clearly to reach the finish now and to score points for @HMSGOfficial

Rallyper
26th January 2020, 12:11
Rovanpera bad tyre choice as well?

Fast Eddie WRC
26th January 2020, 12:14
The King Of Monte got the tyres so wrong.

Fast Eddie WRC
26th January 2020, 12:15
Kalle just having fun !

EstWRC
26th January 2020, 12:18
Cmon Evans show your magic now

Fast Eddie WRC
26th January 2020, 12:20
Good job by Lappi to bring home 4th on his first Fiesta WRC drive.

mknight
26th January 2020, 12:24
Good job by Lappi to bring home 4th on his first Fiesta WRC drive.

Last 2 days he was where expected, first two days were terrible.

Ucci
26th January 2020, 12:26
Good job by Lappi to bring home 4th on his first Fiesta WRC drive.

After disastrous start of the event this 4th place is kind of a patch over the wound...

Fast Eddie WRC
26th January 2020, 12:26
Ogier in 'Doesn't win Monte season opener' shock. ;)

Katvala
26th January 2020, 12:26
Adamo don't want to watch https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200126/5bac1e1bfdc2226163c5a1816e75d28b.jpg

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EstWRC
26th January 2020, 12:26
Ogier passed Evans

KKS
26th January 2020, 12:26
So Ogier 2nd

Ucci
26th January 2020, 12:28
Ogier passed Evans

Yessss

Fast Eddie WRC
26th January 2020, 12:28
Nice try Elfyn but the win was just out of reach. :( Excellent first event in the Toyota shows great promise. :)

Fast Eddie WRC
26th January 2020, 12:31
After disastrous start of the event this 4th place is kind of a patch over the wound...

SS16:
@EsapekkaLappi secures his best Monte result - fourth place on his debut with the Fiesta WRC.

Fast Eddie WRC
26th January 2020, 12:32
Adamo ha ha :D

Rallyper
26th January 2020, 12:32
Happy. Had TN 1st and SO 2nd in Pickems...

EstWRC
26th January 2020, 12:32
hats off Thierry, mega performance

Rallyper
26th January 2020, 12:33
well deserved win for Thierry. After so many trials...

cosmin_sb
26th January 2020, 12:33
maximum points for Neuville

BigWorm
26th January 2020, 12:33
Yeeeeees!!! Redemption served neat

TypeR
26th January 2020, 12:33
So.. Tänak ended the frenchmen WDC era, Neuville the Rally Monte-Carlo winning era..

Fast Eddie WRC
26th January 2020, 12:34
Congrats Thierry
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPNN-tkWAAAqdkn?format=jpg&name=medium

Rallyper
26th January 2020, 12:34
what about PS timing? Thousands of a second decides?

EstWRC
26th January 2020, 12:35
what about PS timing? Thousands of a second decides?

0.016 in the end Neuville quicker

KKS
26th January 2020, 12:35
Perfect win for Neuville! Welldone!

EstWRC
26th January 2020, 12:36
why is Adamo so emotional?

Fast Eddie WRC
26th January 2020, 12:36
Adamo cant even talk.

cali
26th January 2020, 12:36
Mega interview by Adamo

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BigWorm
26th January 2020, 12:37
Don't do any damn illegal donuts now Thierry

TypeR
26th January 2020, 12:40
why is Adamo so emotional?

well it's quite hard weekend for Hyundai.. up and down emotions.. Tänak crashing and now Neuville/Hyundai winning.. true sportsman

erikli2
26th January 2020, 12:42
Seems like the biggest challenge this weekend was to hand out the champagne :D

BigWorm
26th January 2020, 12:44
Slippity slide for Gilsoul

Sulland
26th January 2020, 12:46
why is Adamo so emotional?

Monte win as team boss!!

mknight
26th January 2020, 12:47
Slippity slide for Gilsoul

Black ice

Japé
26th January 2020, 12:49
+ Evans, Katsuta, Ostberg
- Loeb

Rovanpera Jr seems to be using in ear plugs headset that is popular among circuit drivers. Other WRC drivers using more regular helmet integrated headsets.

dimviii
26th January 2020, 12:51
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2020/post-93-0-91604300-1580042745.png

danon
26th January 2020, 12:52
why is Adamo so emotional?

psycho

dimviii
26th January 2020, 12:52
hahahahah!!

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2020/post-2246-0-46937700-1580042696.jpg

KKS
26th January 2020, 12:54
Obelix! :D

PLuto
26th January 2020, 13:01
what about PS timing? Thousands of a second decides?

26. 01. 2020 13:18 CET 16 Power stage times: Neuville 9:39.076, Ogier 9:39.092

stefanvv
26th January 2020, 13:05
Well deserved for Neuville after smashing time on ss2 and consistent saturday stages. The driver of the rally is no doubt Evans.

dimviii
26th January 2020, 13:22
congrats to Neuville Gilsoul,really well deserved win,fastest crew won.
Evans superb rally,i am not so sure that he came 3rd just from his drive/pace.Suspicious about his pace near to Lappi and just ahead of Rovanpera(stage 15),and slower from Suninen at power stage..
At first pass this morning was faster from Ogier at both.He had same tyres as others.
Ogier nice rally,good result,he pushed to this point he was comfortable.Mature driving watching the big picture.
Waiting to be faster from Evans though,still first rally,we will see at later rallies again.
Loeb,a shadow from his previous Monte rallies.I think time for retiring has came even for the God.
Rovanpera excellent rally,done what asked/required.
Lappi bad start,but he found speed as the rally progressed.
Suninen still after so many rallies,i dont see any progress.
About Tanak,i wouldnt call it a drivers mistake 100%. From videos we saw,its clearly that after the 2nd bump,was just passenger. Not a good start,waiting for next rallies.
Makinen changed the whole team,and at Monte worked brilliant.Waiting to see next rallies,to see if Evans/Rovanpera could deliver at gravel rallies.

Bring on Sweden,cant wait!!

AnttiL
26th January 2020, 13:27
Mega interview by Adamo

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bluuford in the background :)

What an exciting rally!

EstWRC
26th January 2020, 13:27
congrats to Neuville Gilsoul,really well deserved win,fastest crew won.
Evans superb rally,i am not so sure that he came 3rd just from his drive/pace.Suspicious about his pace near to Lappi and just ahead of Rovanpera(stage 15),and slower from Suninen at power stage..
At first pass this morning was faster from Ogier at both.He had same tyres as others.
Ogier nice rally,good result,he pushed to this point he was comfortable.Mature driving watching the big picture.
Waiting to be faster from Evans though,still first rally,we will see at later rallies again.
Loeb,a shadow from his previous Monte rallies.I think time for retiring has came even for the God.
Rovanpera excellent rally,done what asked/required.
Lappi bad start,but he found speed as the rally progressed.
Suninen still after so many rallies,i dont see any progress.
About Tanak,i wouldnt call it a drivers mistake 100%. From videos we saw,its clearly that after the 2nd bump,was just passenger. Not a good start,waiting for next rallies.
Makinen changed the whole team,and at Monte worked brilliant.Waiting to see next rallies,to see if Evans/Rovanpera could deliver at gravel rallies.

Bring on Sweden,cant wait!!

+100000

exactly the same thoughts.

Especially about Loeb, really painful to watch him to go so slowly and i dont get it actually.

wyler
26th January 2020, 13:28
Loeb looking for bettere position for swe? (no change in manu point losing position)

Oraamat
26th January 2020, 13:38
You never think that Teemu push little bit less than Ott? 1-2kph - make huge difference everywhere. From that bumps, to icy sections
U never think that it wasnt driving mistake by pushing 110% but just bad pacenotes? It was new stage and Ott said that it was just something that they didnt see ahed on recce, so wtf are u talking about pushing on the limit.

AnttiL
26th January 2020, 13:46
Loeb looking for bettere position for swe? (no change in manu point losing position)

Securing manufacturer points.

KKS
26th January 2020, 13:55
Loeb,a shadow from his previous Monte rallies.I think time for retiring has came even for the God.

Not wan't start new war, but name me who was fast and comfortable with new Hyundai on tarmac except Neuville?

wyler
26th January 2020, 13:55
Securing manufacturer points.

sure, but also dropping one other position at no expense

mknight
26th January 2020, 13:55
Especially about Loeb, really painful to watch him to go so slowly and i dont get it actually.

Well there are two main options...

a) Loeb and Mikkelsen suddenly forgot how to drive on tarmac over the course of 1-2 rallies. (Mikkelsen from 2nd in 2017 Germany in C3 to 7-9th times in 2017 Spain in I20, Loeb from 2018 Spain win to 2019 Monte where he was slowest WRC on dry tarmac).

Btw. Loeb was beating everyone when on gravel tires on tarmac sections in Spain 2019 (road position shouldn't matter on those sections), just 3 months ago.

b) Hyundai tarmac car is rather specific


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b) seems more and more like the clear answer with every new rally where Loeb/Mikkelsen stuggle on tarmac while doing fine on gravel. Tanak's outing over the few stages seems more like confirming b) than a) as well.

But, as mentioned before there are close to no tarmac rallies this year, so it might not matter much how the car is on tarmac. With Neuville winning here it is again less likely they will do some massive changes to it. What does seem likely is that Sordo will drive in Germany and Japan.

AnttiL
26th January 2020, 13:59
Not wan't start new war, but name me who was fast and comfortable with new Hyundai on tarmac except Neuville?

Sordo

dimviii
26th January 2020, 14:04
(from French forum) Ogier cant swallow that he lost from Neuville.

Delecour who asks Ogier what he missed overall "the risk taking honestly, we did not dare to take as many risks as Thierry, when the conditions were delicate this is where we lost the longer. And hey, that's true to my course of action, I won the Montecarl several times, staying most of the time in my comfort zone, there we see that this morning again he is still hitting a low wall, it breaks a rim uh I mean when it wants to pass it passes but it will not pass every day it's clear ".

dimviii
26th January 2020, 14:06
Loeb tyres

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2020/post-3242-0-74221700-1580045093.png

BigWorm
26th January 2020, 14:08
Is it the first time 1st position on Power Stage is tied (counting to hundredths)? Is it still a shared stage win?

denkimi
26th January 2020, 14:11
Securing manufacturer points.
by being 2 minutes slower than lappi?

its very weird to see how someone like loeb with all those years of experience just ruined his tyres in 18km of stage.

EstWRC
26th January 2020, 14:12
when was the last time that defending champ started the year with a zero points?

i guess we have to go really back before Loeb era?

BigWorm
26th January 2020, 14:13
when was the last time that defending champ started the year with a zero points?

i guess we have to go really back before Loeb era?

Marcus Grönholm 2001 maybe? Or even 2003 perhaps

PLuto
26th January 2020, 14:14
Is it the first time 1st position on Power Stage is tied (counting to hundredths)? Is it still a shared stage win?

No.

26. 01. 2020 13:18 CET 16 Power stage times: Neuville 9:39.076, Ogier 9:39.092

AnttiL
26th January 2020, 14:14
Loeb tyres

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2020/post-3242-0-74221700-1580045093.png

And this already after the first stage of the morning!

AnttiL
26th January 2020, 14:15
by being 2 minutes slower than lappi?

its very weird to see how someone like loeb with all those years of experience just ruined his tyres in 18km of stage.

I mean, after his mistake where he lost his position to Lappi, he started securing the points. Only Suninen was behind him of the manu nominated cars. (Rovanperä was already the third best Toyota). And the worst he could do was to ruin the tyres so bad he would retire (remember, only five tyres).

dimviii
26th January 2020, 14:22
with a nice fast spot https://youtu.be/3i9nFKDEr0w

Rallyper
26th January 2020, 14:30
Loeb tyres

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2020/post-3242-0-74221700-1580045093.png

Well, he said it himself. So something to think over, talking about Loebs pace today Sunday...there were reasons I should say.

flykas
26th January 2020, 15:23
Congrats to the winners, really great fight!
Very interesting dynamic as Neville showed incredible times in the beginning and got a pretty big lead, but then quickly lost the lead the next day and regained it at the end of the rally. At the end his driving looked most confident with clean lines, not much hesitation I guess fact that this is his familiar car played a role on his win but yeah he deserved it. Also I wonder if Tanak crashing out gave him confidence boost as everybody was expecting them to be fighting.

Tanak's crash was I think the scariest thing I ever saw on wrclive. Other two moments that I remember were Neuville's roll last year and Rovanpera's carsh over some tents. I am glad that they seem to be ok and they were really lucky. Also the strength of the wrc cars is incredible, reminds of video games. Also someone in prediction thread said that Tanak will be more crash prone this year, I hope not...

Evans is the man. Really great performance. I was expecting something from him, but he exceeded the expectations. His pace was equal to 6 times world champ, both in new cars. Really makes me wonder about next rounds.

Little bit strange that Ogier did win Monte in his first time in Citroen, but not with Toyota, but maybe the circumstances were different.

I'd say Loeb drove as expected, wonder why people are surprised.

Some good stages by Rovanpera. It is really interesting what we'll see from him in following events. Shows potential from the very beginning unlike Tiedemand or Greesmith.

Also happy for Lappi I hope this result will make him a more happy Lappi.

I think Suninen must hate this event:]

Katsuta not impressive, but seems like he could improve. He wasn't slowest all the time.

Overall, really exciting beginning.

stefanvv
26th January 2020, 15:27
About Tanak,i wouldnt call it a drivers mistake 100%. From videos we saw,its clearly that after the 2nd bump,was just passenger. Not a good start,waiting for next rallies.

There were actually 3 compressions/ bumps at that fast s-curve, the first was little far from 2 and 3 though. To me it looked like resonance effect, each compression just amplified the effect of the next one. It was just the speed that entered that bad sequence. They were passengers indeed.

EstWRC
26th January 2020, 15:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcuIfw7b63o

AnttiL
26th January 2020, 15:34
I'd say Loeb drove as expected, wonder why people are surprised.

He did until yesterday, but what he did today was unexpected from Le Maestro

mknight
26th January 2020, 15:52
He did until yesterday, but what he did today was unexpected from Le Maestro

He didn't do as expected yesterday either:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/59972-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2020/?leg=3

Especially those 1.8s/km (38s) lost on SS10 were unexpected. Thursday and Friday were as expected yes.

Two offs per rally is also rather unlike him.

dimviii
26th January 2020, 15:53
He did until yesterday, but what he did today was unexpected from Le Maestro

you know that maybe i am the biggest Loeb fan at this forum,but that will not stop me to say that at Saturday he was a shadow of himself too.Mistakes at this pace are unacceptable from him.

https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/59972-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2020/?leg=3

dimviii
26th January 2020, 15:59
Neuville at Adamo hug
https://twitter.com/thierryneuville/status/1221453180225118208

Got Mail
26th January 2020, 15:59
Loeb tyres

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_01_2020/post-3242-0-74221700-1580045093.png

Did they put used tyres on by mistake this morning?

Either that, or the geometry of the car is very strange.

SubaruNorway
26th January 2020, 16:01
Could have been something wrong with the wheel alignment, very strange for one tire to be like that when the road wasn't even fully dry

Revman
26th January 2020, 16:02
Key point here....the reliability of the Yaris, and a focal point for Fowler. All four cars without problems. If Toyota has made progress in this area (and I think they have), Seb will be Champion. The car has pace as always. I am bummed, but a great start really. Fabulous driver by Thierry.

dimviii
26th January 2020, 16:08
Neuville no lift at all,even not touching the brake pedal.
https://twitter.com/Ryan_Champion/status/1221436596018450434

mknight
26th January 2020, 16:10
Did they put used tyres on by mistake this morning?

Either that, or the geometry of the car is very strange.

It's not the first time they have strange tirewear issues. Similar was in Turkey last year on second passes and before that on Sardinia, with Neuville going off the road due to that as well.

So I'd go with strange setup/geometry.

dimviii
26th January 2020, 16:11
Could have been something wrong with the wheel alignment, very strange for one tire to be like that when the road wasn't even fully dry

from live stream we saw totally dry asphalt and that not only for few km.Super softs,and only 5 instead of 6 harder compound tyres for other competitors.
i dont see something strange in this photo,just totally wrong tyre choice

dimviii
26th January 2020, 16:18
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPNxwJqX0AEyH42?format=jpg&name=medium

Got Mail
26th January 2020, 16:28
from live stream we saw totally dry asphalt and that not only for few km.Super softs,and only 5 instead of 6 harder compound tyres for other competitors.
i dont see something strange in this photo,just totally wrong tyre choice

Loeb's tyres were shot by the end of SS13.

He was running 4 x SS6. Most other crew were running 3 x SS6 + 1 x S6.

Other crews had no problems.

I think he has run out of allocation of SS6 (24 tyres) and taken a 'best of' used tyre in a risky tyre gamble.

Either that or team have screwed up.

Got Mail
26th January 2020, 16:29
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPNxwJqX0AEyH42?format=jpg&name=medium

Is Gwyndaf driving?

SubaruNorway
26th January 2020, 16:33
Loeb's tyres were shot by the end of SS13.

He was running 4 x SS6. Most other crew were running 3 x SS6 + 1 x S6.

Other crews had no problems.

I think he has run out of allocation of SS6 (24 tyres) and taken a 'best of' used tyre in a risky tyre gamble.

Either that or team have screwed up.

And only about 7min of that first stage was dry, if it was just the tires shouldn't all of them have been like that after the stage just not one of them...? Looks like it's had too much air if you look at the middle, did Elena grab a smoke before the stage and forgot to lower the air pressure... :)

dimviii
26th January 2020, 16:41
Loeb's tyres were shot by the end of SS13.

He was running 4 x SS6. Most other crew were running 3 x SS6 + 1 x S6.

Other crews had no problems.

I think he has run out of allocation of SS6 (24 tyres) and taken a 'best of' used tyre in a risky tyre gamble.

Either that or team have screwed up.


Loeb had today morning 5 super softs,while all the others had 3 super softs + 3 softs.
the problem for Loeb was that he had to used these tyres for all 4 stages,while the others could rotate with softs
except that running a car with 3 softs and 1 ss doesnt slide so much,its much more grippier,so you protect better that 1 super soft you have on the car.

dimviii
26th January 2020, 16:46
And only about 7min of that first stage was dry, if it was just the tires shouldn't all of them have been like that after the stage just not one of them...? Looks like it's had too much air if you look at the middle, did Elena grab a smoke before the stage and forgot to lower the air pressure... :)

how you know that the other tyres are ok? wehavent seen any photos from other tyres.
7km are not few kms at dry for super soft.
When a tyre overheating this drives to inreases air pressure,so maybe this we see at the photo is not due to starting with high air pressure,but the result of overheated tyre.

denkimi
26th January 2020, 16:57
from live stream we saw totally dry asphalt and that not only for few km.Super softs,and only 5 instead of 6 harder compound tyres for other competitors.
i dont see something strange in this photo,just totally wrong tyre choice
if tyres are looking like that after just one stage, something is wrong.

even with the wrong tyres, loeb should know how not to destroy them.

doubled1978
26th January 2020, 17:09
Mighty impressive from Neuville today....but honestly I think the top 5 can all be pretty satisfied with the result.

Got Mail
26th January 2020, 17:51
if tyres are looking like that after just one stage, something is wrong.

even with the wrong tyres, loeb should know how not to destroy them.

Indeed.

Got Mail
26th January 2020, 17:56
Loeb had today morning 5 super softs,while all the others had 3 super softs + 3 softs.
the problem for Loeb was that he had to used these tyres for all 4 stages,while the others could rotate with softs
except that running a car with 3 softs and 1 ss doesnt slide so much,its much more grippier,so you protect better that 1 super soft you have on the car.

I'm pretty sure you wrong.

Nearly all ran 3xSS6 + 1xS6 on SS13.

Eli
26th January 2020, 18:04
To sum up I think this was Neuville's best performance to date, calm, collected, knew when to push and didn't overstep his limits. Once Tänak was out I think he both gained & lost lo of pressure, and he delivered faultlessly, I mean, honestly if you would have told me even 3 years ago that Neuville would win here I'd thought you would be bluffing, yet here we are in 2020 and he's won his first Monte. We are talking about the same person who's retired on his 3 first tries (if anyone here remembers back in 2012 when his DS3 was on fire)....very impressive start for Thierry here & a huge boost for his confidence and a win putting himself 30 points ahead of Tänak. Tänak rarely makes mistake these days (I checked and this was his first DNF since Australia 2018) so it's a good thing all of his rivals took off with a lot of points from this event as Tänak will be hunting them as soon as Sweden (a rally he has won last year). I guess it will take him time to fine tune his Hyundai to his liking but once he'll do that he'll be tough to match imho.

As for the man who came in second, Sebastien Ogier, I think this signifies the end of an era; you might claim that we were already past the Sebastien era after Tanak taking his title last year, but now I truly believe his reign is over, as it will be very tough for him to take his crown back. Even his Monte crown was taken from him and for the first time since 2013, there was someone faster than the Frenchman and for the first time since 2010 (or 2006, depends how you count it) a Frenchman hasn't won here. Besides that, I'm guessing that Evans won't let him past that 'easy' next time the Welshman challenges for a win.

For sure Evans has put himself right up there among Neuviile, Tänak & Ogier, he seemed to adapt to his car very quickly and hopefully will be again on the pace in Sweden. I'll admit I never saw the spark in him while others did, but this weekend he's changed my mind and I think that with good nurture he can become the next world champion, if it happens this year or next depends on him & Ogier (& Makkinen) IMHO.

As for the rest, I think Lappi managed to do a really good job considering it's a new car also for him, and the problems the M-Sport team have encountered on Thursday night, and he's been rewarded with his best Monte finish (was very close to finishing 4th in 2018 if you may recall until he went off on the last stage demoting himself to 7th).

Rovanperä was truly impressive, finishing 5th on his World Rally Car debut, was a real baptism of fire for the 19 year old and I'm sure that by the time we'll be getting to the last third of the season he'll finish on the podium once, hopefully I'm not over-optimistic.
Loeb, I really think it's time for him to retire, even before the incident with the tire this morning, there are other drivers outside the service park that should be in at least considered for that seat.

After this I really hope Sweden will go as planned, bring on the rest of 2020!

KKS
26th January 2020, 18:12
Sordo
+15sec in Spain Leg2 to Neuville
+4sec Leg3 to Tanak

Germany +46 to Tanak without penalty
Corsica +1.18 to Neuville

And complaining a lot about understeer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

mknight
26th January 2020, 18:13
For sure Evans has put himself right up there among Neuviile, Tänak & Ogier, he seemed to adapt to his car very quickly and hopefully will be again on the pace in Sweden. I'll admit I never saw the spark in him while others did, but this weekend he's changed my mind and I think that with good nurture he can become the next world champion, if it happens this year or next depends on him & Ogier (& Makkinen) IMHO.


I think you are way too early. After Wales 2017 british jurnos were putting him into title fight for 2018 straight away. With C. Clark saying "he will fight for title no matter what car he drives next year"....

then at end of 2018 most people wondered whether Malcom will kick him for the last time after he had epically bad season while Ogier won the title in same car.
In my eyes this was Evan's best drive up to date, I'd even rate it above Corsica last year since that was a pure dry rally.

Doesn't automatically make him WDC candidate though.

Eli
26th January 2020, 18:22
I think you are way too early. After Wales 2017 british jurnos were putting him into title fight for 2018 straight away. With C. Clark saying "he will fight for title no matter what car he drives next year"....

then at end of 2018 most people wondered whether Malcolm will kick him for the last time after he had espically bad season while Ogier won the title in same car.
In my eyes this was Evan's best drive up to date, I'd even rate it above Corsica last year since that was a pure dry rally.

Doesn't automatically make him WDC candidate though.

True but that's why I said 'this year or maybe next year', and he just seemed really confident this event and seemed to be adjusted really well to the Yaris WRC, and if it's anything to judge by he looks like he's at the sharp end. Anyhow, we'll be more clever after Mexico and even cleverer after Portugal.

cali
26th January 2020, 18:26
I'm pretty sure you wrong.

Nearly all ran 3xSS6 + 1xS6 on SS13.I think believing you or a guy who has done rallying himself (Dimvii) I tend to believe a person with experience.

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T16
26th January 2020, 18:33
Evans has quite clearly upped his game.
Amazing driving by the top three.
Hoping they all have seasons as good as this rally and hoping the very lucky Estonian can quickly jump back in at the sharp end too.

doubled1978
26th January 2020, 19:04
Evans has quite clearly upped his game.
Amazing driving by the top three.
Hoping they all have seasons as good as this rally and hoping the very lucky Estonian can quickly jump back in at the sharp end too.

Exactly, drivers are allowed to improve. Pre-2017 not many people would have backed Tanak to be WC material, but in 2017 he started to show that he had more than just speed in his locker, and after that he has been sensational.
So let’s give Evans the chance to show us, he has a top car, great opportunity and he’s made a good start.

dimviii
26th January 2020, 22:26
https://scontent-cdt1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p640x640/84557115_1340439832807575_3090937411442573312_o.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=TRF9z7DJcIoAX9Aecpt&_nc_ht=scontent-cdt1-1.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=a0b19825c4c8c6898dd3fa42942e49ab&oe=5ED9A16B

https://www.facebook.com/pg/Maxbphotographies/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1340438382807720

reff92
26th January 2020, 22:35
I have a feeling that Evans was pulled back by Ogier/Mäkinen himself . Same story as in M-Sport...
We all know how good Ogier is rolling over teammates with his titles. Last three+ years is only confirm that.

USER47
26th January 2020, 22:52
We all know how good Ogier is rolling over teammates with his titles. Last three+ years is only confirm that.
Yeah, poor Lappi would have been a champion last year, if Ogier didn't roll over him, right? Lol.

Do you seriously think any of the team mates Ogier had in last 3 years had a shot at championship that was somehow screwed by Ogier? Which one and when? In m-sport Tanak and Evans have been showing the speed ocasionally, but the consistency just wasn't there, and it wasn't Ogier's fault. Tanak only became champion material in Toyota. Evans hasn't shown all that much yet either, apart from ocasional good result in a rally or two. And Lappi in Citroen? That was a complete disaster.

If anything, both Tanak and Evans probably benefited from driving alongside Ogier. Certainly for Tanak it was a year it all started turning around after his relatively long career of speedy crashes.

dimviii
27th January 2020, 04:51
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPNyvibXkAAPMI0?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

flykas
27th January 2020, 07:16
We all know how good Ogier is rolling over teammates with his titles. Last three+ years is only confirm that.

Well I definitely don't know that. I think it is normal for team orders to happen later in the season when one of team members has clearly better chances for the title.

mknight
27th January 2020, 07:33
Not saying that it happened here, but the recent "normal" is that team orders happen already in Sweden. (Hyundai last year, Msport the year before)

Oraamat
27th January 2020, 08:13
Yeah, poor Lappi would have been a champion last year, if Ogier didn't roll over him, right? Lol.

Do you seriously think any of the team mates Ogier had in last 3 years had a shot at championship that was somehow screwed by Ogier? Which one and when? In m-sport Tanak and Evans have been showing the speed ocasionally, but the consistency just wasn't there, and it wasn't Ogier's fault. Tanak only became champion material in Toyota. Evans hasn't shown all that much yet either, apart from ocasional good result in a rally or two. And Lappi in Citroen? That was a complete disaster.

If anything, both Tanak and Evans probably benefited from driving alongside Ogier. Certainly for Tanak it was a year it all started turning around after his relatively long career of speedy crashes.

In my opinion brakethrough year for Tänak was year with Dmack. He wasnt able to compete with these tyres everywhere anyway so he learned his pace and to drive his own drive with is own rythm without pushing when its unneccesery or he just isnt able to push anyway. And where there was chance, there he was quick.

And year with next to Ogier he corroborated these things even more.

eib1
27th January 2020, 11:15
watched it too now, quite horrible, Tänak has no breath at all after landing, barely can speak and say it to Martin....but thats totally normal after such a big hits to your body

100G-s according to Järveoja

Rallyper
27th January 2020, 11:30
I think believing you or a guy who has done rallying himself (Dimvii) I tend to believe a person with experience.

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With full respect, neither of them were there at sight. So not whole picture.

Norm75
27th January 2020, 11:47
100G-s according to Järveoja

Doubtful, they would have blacked out if G force were that high. Fighter pilots only pull about 9G

denkimi
27th January 2020, 12:13
Doubtful, they would have blacked out if G force were that high. Fighter pilots only pull about 9G
No. One can withstand many g's if the duration is very short, just a few milliseconds. Fighter pilots take 9g for much longer times.

But i do doubt the 90g, since kubicas crash in canada 2007 was only 75g, and he hit a concrete wall at 230km/h.

mknight
27th January 2020, 12:20
Yeah, saying it was "100G" has close to no informational value. Highest recorded (survived) was 214G in a 2003 IndyCar crash. Yet even below 10G can kill you if it's in a wrong direction over a longer period.

Also check this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-force#/media/File:Human_linear_acceleration_tolerance.svg

bluuford
27th January 2020, 12:22
I think believing you or a guy who has done rallying himself (Dimvii) I tend to believe a person with experience.

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Yes, nearly all drivers run 3SS+1S for Ss13 and Ss14, Rovanperä changed to 2 softs for Ss14 and admitted in "all live" that it was wrong choice, because road was too wet. For SS13, from km 7, everything was from damp to wet until the end.

Mirek
27th January 2020, 12:34
Doubtful, they would have blacked out if G force were that high. Fighter pilots only pull about 9G

It's not doubtful at all.

The magic is in the time duration of the peak and in several aspects.

The first aspect is how high G your body parts can survive for how long time. Generally 100G over something like 0,00001s is a value which shall not kill a healthy person (you can achieve that by falling on your head in the bathroom for example - it shall not kill you but it may). Generally the acceleration is dangerous mainly for the brain. Most of the other organs have different critical damage criteria (for the soft stuff in your belly it's mainly the movement magnitude for example).

Second aspect is that you can not measure the highest and shortest peaks by common accelerometers. You need hugely expensive gauges to catch the short peaks. These definitely aren't mounted in the rally cars, i.e. what you can measure is a value over a certain period of time not short enough to catch the highest value.

The last aspect is that the acceleration measured by the gauge is not an acceleration of the brain. The brain is inside the head and the head is inside the helmet which is specifically designed to slow down the acceleration movement; the head is flexibly attached to the body (not that much with the HANS) and the body is flexibly attached to the seat. All of that also has its own inertia. As a result the acceleration of the brain in this crash scenario is probably much smaller than the peak achieved at some rigid point of the bodyshell.

The 9G limit for fighter pilots allows them to withstand such acceleration without black-out for several seconds. That is something completely different than crash mechanics. the values are incomparable because if we speak about crash we mean a peak which takes for example 100000x shorter time than the turn in the fighter jet.

TypeR
27th January 2020, 12:52
Järveoja said that:,,According to FIA it was 100G..'' not that he himself made up some number

Here's the whole article in Estonian:
https://www.topauto.ee/et/jarveoja-rallimotted?news_id=796

Norm75
27th January 2020, 13:19
No. One can withstand many g's if the duration is very short, just a few milliseconds. Fighter pilots take 9g for much longer times.

But i do doubt the 90g, since kubicas crash in canada 2007 was only 75g, and he hit a concrete wall at 230km/h.
Yes with anti G suits and many months training. Without can easily black out.
How do Fia measure it? Do they have sensors on driver and co pilots suits? Or do they just use bullshit-o-meter.
Brack may have survived many G's but with multiple injuries, and at what point he blacked out who knows.

Mirek
27th January 2020, 13:22
Anti-G suit is completely useless for crash. You keep comparing what is incomparable.

Norm75
27th January 2020, 13:30
Not really, I know fighter pilots sustain G for longer periods than what would be achieved in a car accident. I only said I doubted the 100G quoted as in my opinion one or both of them would have blacked out. To which those of you that are saying different have all said you doubt the 100G figure, or lack of any accurate measuring equipment, to prove my opinion wrong.

TanaKa
27th January 2020, 14:10
Great Rally of Neuville, having Toyota as Champions of last year, I think they are the ones with more power, and Ogier and Evans, did not give the size and Rovampera surpassed them, very well Lappi, Suninem did not give his 3 years. . in M-Sport, and Citroën with its Cr3 if it gave a good brand image, not like last year, I also carry a large collection of drivers, I really liked Munster being Novel in the World Cup ... Loeb, it's worth the shame to take brand points and My Tanak ,, I pay your mistake very expensive ,, greetings.

dimviii
27th January 2020, 15:13
Yes, nearly all drivers run 3SS+1S for Ss13 and Ss14, Rovanperä changed to 2 softs for Ss14 and admitted in "all live" that it was wrong choice, because road was too wet. For SS13, from km 7, everything was from damp to wet until the end.

thats correct,but we dont know at what condition were these super softs they installed.Were new ones?or used ones with already some stages on them?
if we dont have all data,we cant say its wrong alignment,or he dont know how to preserve his tyres etc

Simmi
27th January 2020, 16:09
Back from my second Monte trip and what I just worked out is my 21st foreign WRC event.

A tiring but rewarding event. Wish there was a bit more widespread snow and ice about but at least it meant it was easy to get around. We stayed in Ancelle which was very convenient for stage 9/11 on Saturday which passed right through there. This year, despite a lot of advice, I went to the Col du Turini. I had to see it for my own eyes. Sadly my own eyes were a number of years too late to see any kind of spectacle or excitement. It is a tarmac car park. But never mind.

Some photos here if anyone is interested: https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/albums/72157712847773756

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49446313502_f91c22a6c8_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ikphjA)1 (https://flic.kr/p/2ikphjA) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49446320617_623dfa4c4c_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ikpjrg)2 (https://flic.kr/p/2ikpjrg) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr
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dimviii
27th January 2020, 16:16
On the morning of the RC opening round, Rally Monte Carlo, Friday, January 24, Oit Tanak, who was hit by a major accident at the new stage SS4, left the hospital where he spent the night. On Saturday, 25, Hyundai's service was shown (photo before the rally start).

"I don't have any pain in my body, I'll heal quickly with just a small bruise. I checked everything at the hospital, there's nothing broken and I'm not worried. I'm ready now, it was boring to be in the hospital (laughs), but the food was good because the team catered.

It was a bit surprising for me to leave the course there. Maybe there was a slight misunderstanding when I recked. Is that the cause? The notes weren't fully open, but at speeds near that, there weren't any cautions, especially bumpies. Rather than being optimistic, it seems like I missed the pace note in various combinations. Anyway, I was surprised. Last night I spent at the hospital just in case, but now I'm focusing on the future. I never lose my confidence. Just a crash. It's common in rallies. It's normal for me.

Of course, I wish I had spent more time learning this car. Thursday night was not a good feeling. It was a little better yesterday morning and I was going to improve it little by little. Unfortunately, it was a very short rally. However, the season is still long. We will continue to do our best to avoid the troubles and to do our best according to the schedule we have decided.

Video of the accident? Oh, I saw about 300 times (laughs). WRCtv has been playing many times. In fact, the audience showed me at the scene of the accident. But there was nothing new from the outside. I'm experiencing it from the inside here. ''

https://i0.wp.com/www.rallyplus.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/2020MONTECARLO_FD_140_-1536x892.jpg

https://www.rallyplus.net/66704

dimviii
27th January 2020, 16:43
red bull review Friday
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/events/world-rally-championship-monte-carlo-2020-event-info/live/wrc-monte-carlo-friday-recap

Saturday
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/events/world-rally-championship-monte-carlo-2020-event-info/live/saturday-recap-monte-carlo

Sunday
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/events/world-rally-championship-monte-carlo-2020-event-info/live/sunday-recap-monte-carlo

SubaruNorway
27th January 2020, 17:16
Yes with anti G suits and many months training. Without can easily black out.
How do Fia measure it? Do they have sensors on driver and co pilots suits? Or do they just use bullshit-o-meter.
Brack may have survived many G's but with multiple injuries, and at what point he blacked out who knows.

Don't know if you just meant the indy crash but It's in the car, like the light you can see on the top right of the Yaris dash that flashes if you crash hard enough and sends a signal with rally safe to FIA.

Mirek
27th January 2020, 18:13
This is an example of real crash test measurement. You can see that at pretty slow 35mph crash the dummy's head acceleration reached nearly 70G. It corresponds roughly with values I have seen long time a go in the university for Skoda Felicia crash test.

https://cdn.hswstatic.com/gif/crash-test-head-accel.jpg

EstWRC
27th January 2020, 18:36
Reigning World Rally champion Ott Tanak wants to be back in a Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC as soon as possible following his high-speed crash out of last week's Monte Carlo Rally.

Tanak - who won last year's WRC title with Toyota - switched to Hyundai for 2020, but crashed his i20 Coupe WRC out of the Monte Carlo Rally last week on Friday.

The accident happened on SS4, when Tanak and co-driver Martin Jarveoja were running third.


The Hyundai left the road at 113mph and cartwheeled through a crash which lasted 14 seconds and ended with the car dropping 30 metres off a cliff.

Tanak and co-driver Martin Jarveoja were kept in hospital for surveillance overnight, but were given the all-clear and discharged on Saturday morning. They flew home to Estonia on Sunday.

"The biggest shame is that we couldn't spend too much time in the car," Tanak told Autosport.

"On the first evening I did not feel too good, but we improved the car overnight and already on Friday morning it felt better.

"But then the ride was cut a bit short.

"It was a proper accident.

"When the car was destroyed and it's not possible to continue, that means it was a good one.

"The safety equipment did its job, we're happy to be here."


"Now it's a long break in, let's say, the Tarmac championship - the next one (asphalt round) is at the end of the year. Now we have to focus on the dirt."

Asked about the cause of the accident, he said: "We hit a bump that I didn't recognise in the recce and that sent us onto the wrong line, but it's never one thing.

"It was a combination of things that all together caused us to go off the road.

"As we know, accidents happen in motorsport, it's nothing new.

"Our plan is the same.

"This is a long season and it's time to fightback - we're fit and we're ready for that."

Tanak's team-mate Thierry Neuville went on to win the event, overcoming Tanak's Toyota replacement Sebastien Ogier and his team-mate Elfyn Evans on the last day.

For the next event, Rally Sweden, Hyundai has confirmed that nine-time WRC champion Sebastien Loeb will be replaced by Craig Breen in the third i20 WRC.


https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/148042/tanak-laments-monte-crash-for-lack-of-seat-time

Norm75
27th January 2020, 18:42
This is an example of real crash test measurement. You can see that at pretty slow 35mph crash the dummy's head acceleration reached nearly 70G. It corresponds roughly with values I have seen long time a go in the university for Skoda Felicia crash test.

https://cdn.hswstatic.com/gif/crash-test-head-accel.jpg
Interesting, and quite eye opening Mirek.
Was it the usual vehicle projected into a solid concrete block crash test though?
And do we know if the crash test dummy blacked out ;)

Fast Eddie WRC
27th January 2020, 18:46
It'll be interesting to see if it does affect Tanak at all.

He's already won the Title and is very family-orientated so the crash might have a psychological impact on his speed and approach to danger.

dimviii
27th January 2020, 18:57
Neuville,Evans ,Ogier,first one the best pass.

https://youtu.be/kBrf62bM7hc

Norm75
27th January 2020, 19:02
Don't know if you just meant the indy crash but It's in the car, like the light you can see on the top right of the Yaris dash that flashes if you crash hard enough and sends a signal with rally safe to FIA.and here is the crux, genuine question and not just arguing for the toss, but if the car is equipped with a device that measures the G force of a crash, would it not have automatically triggered a red flag if a car had an impact measuring 100G?

Fast Eddie WRC
27th January 2020, 19:06
https://www.wrcwings.tech/2020/01/27/aero-issues-during-rally-monte-carlo-2020/

Allez Andruet
27th January 2020, 19:09
It'll be interesting to see if it does affect Tanak at all.

He's already won the Title and is very family-orientated so the crash might have a psychological impact on his speed and approach to danger.

This. Tänak's crash was so HUGE that it definitely is a relevant question whether he'll be the same again. In a sport where it's all about hundredths per km these kind of things can make the difference. But, having seen what kind of monster Tänak is at the wheel of a World Rally Car, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he comes and dominates in Sweden straight from SS1.

Mirek
27th January 2020, 19:15
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49446094906_44941dae20_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ikoakG)4 (https://flic.kr/p/2ikoakG) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/)

Sad to see the empty Turini. This is us there exactly ten years a go...
http://www.autosport.cz/img/fotografie/2e29a05f1c6e7e7e909e7fe8c609a35c.jpg

gorganl2000
27th January 2020, 19:16
It'll be interesting to see if it does affect Tanak at all.

He's already won the Title and is very family-orientated so the crash might have a psychological impact on his speed and approach to danger.

i don't think it will. Tanak is a tough person/driver mentally, you can tell from his persona. Last year Neuville had a really bad one and he too recovered quickly.

Mirek
27th January 2020, 19:17
Interesting, and quite eye opening Mirek.
Was it the usual vehicle projected into a solid concrete block crash test though?
And do we know if the crash test dummy blacked out ;)

I guess it was against the solid concrete wall, yes. That was the old crash test procedure. Not sure though.

Regarding the black out - just out of curiosity - I blacked out myself in a ski accident few weeks a go even with a helmet on (went spinning backwards over a crest hitting a frozen ground). The blackout took just one or two seconds and the force direction was opposite so nothing really comparable but at least it says that big hit may make you black out for only a very short period of time.


and here is the crux, genuine question and not just arguing for the toss, but if the car is equipped with a device that measures the G force of a crash, would it not have automatically triggered a red flag if a car had an impact measuring 100G?

No, there is nothing like an automatic red flag. I'm quite sure about that.

dimviii
27th January 2020, 19:42
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2020/bog_20293.jpg
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https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2020/bog_74754.jpg

https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/59972-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2020/305/

mknight
27th January 2020, 19:50
This. Tänak's crash was so HUGE that it definitely is a relevant question whether he'll be the same again. In a sport where it's all about hundredths per km these kind of things can make the difference. But, having seen what kind of monster Tänak is at the wheel of a World Rally Car, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he comes and dominates in Sweden straight from SS1.

In Sweden he might as well dominate. I don't think it will affect his ability to drive fast/push (= he won't get scared).

But I think it might affect his confidence in the tarmac car. Both Loeb and Mikkelsen had ok-ish speed when they first drove the tarmac i20 , then after a few crashes/small misses from both they stopped trusting it and went backwards. (Mikkelsen crashes/issues in Spain 2017 and Monte 2018, Loeb Corsica 2019)

EstWRC
27th January 2020, 20:00
i think it wont affect anything

the guy has been in the fire in past, in water, now in the air had a massive one in Argentina in 2014, also in Australia that year, Finland 2016, Portugal 2014.

so far none of those havent bothered him.

EstWRC
27th January 2020, 20:24
bestof by checkpointrallye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugv8R2xTLx4

doubled1978
27th January 2020, 21:29
In Sweden he might as well dominate. I don't think it will affect his ability to drive fast/push (= he won't get scared).

But I think it might affect his confidence in the tarmac car. Both Loeb and Mikkelsen had ok-ish speed when they first drove the tarmac i20 , then after a few crashes/small misses from both they stopped trusting it and went backwards. (Mikkelsen crashes/issues in Spain 2017 and Monte 2018, Loeb Corsica 2019)

Maybe, but I suspect he will be just fine. The Hyundai tarmac car is a tricky beast, but if you watch closely Neuville has found a very specific way to get the best out of it without murdering the front tyres with understeer, I think Tanak will be able to do the same and I think his mentality is plenty strong enough to cope with a mistake.

itix
28th January 2020, 01:16
He was doing JWRC only last year, not year before. He was really improving during last year. But like I told, level of 2WD on Monte is not so high.

Alex Kihurani has nothing to do with Pastrana, in past he was codriving Alex Parpottas and some UK or USA drivers.

A bit late to barge into this conversation but Alex Kihurani is one of my favorite people in rallying. His father (also a motorsport nut) is Kenyan in origin and his mother American.

He is very intelligent, has a degree in economics (if I recall right) and had a blog that was very interesting to follow.

Happy they did well.

A great rally overall. The loss of Citroen was not felt as bad as I thought it would be.

itix
28th January 2020, 01:39
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2020/bog_20293.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2020/bog_60019.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2020/photos/rallye_automobile_de_monte_carlo_2020/bog_74754.jpg

https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/59972-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2020/305/Holy crap that's tight to the wall. I'd be amazed if you can even get a standard A4 in between there. These people are not human.

Karbonyl
28th January 2020, 13:35
and here is the crux, genuine question and not just arguing for the toss, but if the car is equipped with a device that measures the G force of a crash, would it not have automatically triggered a red flag if a car had an impact measuring 100G?
I'm sure that red flag shouldn't be automated and should rely on manual control of the rally dispatchers. From real experience the G-sensor in the monitoring unit doesn't recognise if the car hits something or just runs into a sharp hole or lands heavy on a jump, and can send false alarm despite the car continues running. If the alarm would launch the automated red flag, most of the stages would be cancelled without reason.

masa90
28th January 2020, 15:04
I really enjoyed the rally. Though must say I missed Citroen and having more teams on. I just feel like there was so few cars on there, bit like from 2003->2004.

denkimi
28th January 2020, 15:42
I'm sure that red flag shouldn't be automated and should rely on manual control of the rally dispatchers. From real experience the G-sensor in the monitoring unit doesn't recognise if the car hits something or just runs into a sharp hole or lands heavy on a jump, and can send false alarm despite the car continues running. If the alarm would launch the automated red flag, most of the stages would be cancelled without reason.
I'm sure you know, but for those who don't:

They all have a semi automated system that is activated automatically by stopping in the stage. At that point the equipe either has to push the ok button, or the sos button. If they push neither button within a minute, race control tries will suspect an emergency and should stop the stage. That is, as far as i'm aware, the theory.
In practice most cases or just codrivers forgetting to push the button when stuck or replacing a tyre, so race control will first try to contact the equipe or the mashals close by to confirm the situation.

AnttiL
28th January 2020, 15:56
I'm sure you know, but for those who don't:

They all have a semi automated system that is activated automatically by stopping in the stage. At that point the equipe either has to push the ok button, or the sos button. If they push neither button within a minute, race control tries will suspect an emergency and should stop the stage. That is, as far as i'm aware, the theory.
In practice most cases or just codrivers forgetting to push the button when stuck or replacing a tyre, so race control will first try to contact the equipe or the mashals close by to confirm the situation.

In 2018 Mexico Loeb changed a tyre and they forgot to push the OK button. The stage wasn't automatically red flagged, but I think they were penalized for it.

PLuto
28th January 2020, 16:17
Job of rally control is not easy, but they are checking informations from all possible sources - GPS, marshalls, radiopoints, onboard cameras (and I am often using also spectators-friends). Every situation is very specific and it is up to the people to decide if the stage is interrupted, red flagged, sending ambulance/rescue system or nothing...

dimviii
28th January 2020, 18:44
Sébastien Loeb himself decided not to participate in the second round of the World Rally Championship.

In the wake of a Monte-Carlo Rally where "the planets were not aligned", Sébastien Loeb disappeared Monday from the entry list for the Rally of Sweden, where he would normally have been present. The announcement was made by the Hyundai team, the nine-time World Champion giving way to Craig Breen without the South Korean manufacturer providing explanations other than elusive. Loeb gave them in person: his boss Andrea Adamo asked him the question directly on the evening of the Monte-Carlo and the Alsatian grabbed the pole.
Also read:

Hyundai replaces Loeb for Rally Sweden

The context is twofold for the Frenchman, who is obviously upset by this difficult first rally, painfully completed in fifth place and with times that are far too far from the best. "It was certainly not the rally we were hoping for, the whole weekend was difficult," he said. "Everything was fine until the second day but then we were overwhelmed." This poor performance is compounded by the difficult conditions that threaten the Rally Sweden. The snow is there for the moment and the holding of the event is not even assured to date. This was enough to convince Loeb to pass his turn.

"So I didn't particularly want to go there, but since it was decided like that with the team, I intended to respect the commitment," he revealed in an interview with the newspaper L'Équipe. "Andrea probably felt something and, on Sunday evening, he asked me if I wanted to do Sweden. He told me that I was doing as I felt, but that I had to decide quickly because the limit for a crew change was this Monday. It didn't take me more than twenty seconds to decide. "
Sébastien Loeb, Daniel Elena, Hyundai Motorsport Hyundai i20 WRC Coupe

This decision taken in his soul and conscience, Sébastien Loeb suspected that it would cause a stir until it was explained. "I knew people were going to react by saying that I was fucked outside!" loose there. Reactions that stir little the character, who preferred to trust his feelings, also recalling that his commitment to Hyundai was to "move the team forward" and that he refused to be "a brake" in such a case figure: "Going to Sweden to run in crappy conditions, while the others are going to ride like savages and it was going to have to be pinned down to try to do something, I didn't really feel it".

Sébastien Loeb's partial program is again structured around six rallies this year, and his absence in Sweden does not call this number into question for the moment. On the other hand, the Monte-Carlo came to reinforce the conclusions that the pilot was already drawing at the end of October, when he questioned his performance, which had become better on land than on asphalt. This trend could therefore provoke a change of approach to define the rest of the season. "We may be thinking about orienting the program on dirt heats, because it's obvious that I can't make time with the i20 on asphalt," concludes Loeb.

https://fr.motorsport.com/wrc/news/loeb-explique-absence-rallye-suede/4677524/

doubled1978
28th January 2020, 20:19
Sébastien Loeb himself decided not to participate in the second round of the World Rally Championship.

In the wake of a Monte-Carlo Rally where "the planets were not aligned", Sébastien Loeb disappeared Monday from the entry list for the Rally of Sweden, where he would normally have been present. The announcement was made by the Hyundai team, the nine-time World Champion giving way to Craig Breen without the South Korean manufacturer providing explanations other than elusive. Loeb gave them in person: his boss Andrea Adamo asked him the question directly on the evening of the Monte-Carlo and the Alsatian grabbed the pole.
Also read:

Hyundai replaces Loeb for Rally Sweden

The context is twofold for the Frenchman, who is obviously upset by this difficult first rally, painfully completed in fifth place and with times that are far too far from the best. "It was certainly not the rally we were hoping for, the whole weekend was difficult," he said. "Everything was fine until the second day but then we were overwhelmed." This poor performance is compounded by the difficult conditions that threaten the Rally Sweden. The snow is there for the moment and the holding of the event is not even assured to date. This was enough to convince Loeb to pass his turn.

"So I didn't particularly want to go there, but since it was decided like that with the team, I intended to respect the commitment," he revealed in an interview with the newspaper L'Équipe. "Andrea probably felt something and, on Sunday evening, he asked me if I wanted to do Sweden. He told me that I was doing as I felt, but that I had to decide quickly because the limit for a crew change was this Monday. It didn't take me more than twenty seconds to decide. "
Sébastien Loeb, Daniel Elena, Hyundai Motorsport Hyundai i20 WRC Coupe

This decision taken in his soul and conscience, Sébastien Loeb suspected that it would cause a stir until it was explained. "I knew people were going to react by saying that I was fucked outside!" loose there. Reactions that stir little the character, who preferred to trust his feelings, also recalling that his commitment to Hyundai was to "move the team forward" and that he refused to be "a brake" in such a case figure: "Going to Sweden to run in crappy conditions, while the others are going to ride like savages and it was going to have to be pinned down to try to do something, I didn't really feel it".

Sébastien Loeb's partial program is again structured around six rallies this year, and his absence in Sweden does not call this number into question for the moment. On the other hand, the Monte-Carlo came to reinforce the conclusions that the pilot was already drawing at the end of October, when he questioned his performance, which had become better on land than on asphalt. This trend could therefore provoke a change of approach to define the rest of the season. "We may be thinking about orienting the program on dirt heats, because it's obvious that I can't make time with the i20 on asphalt," concludes Loeb.

https://fr.motorsport.com/wrc/news/loeb-explique-absence-rallye-suede/4677524/

To be fair, he’s clearly being honest. As I recall he didn’t really want to do Sweden last year and I don’t blame him at all for not fancying it this year either with the potential dodgy conditions. Better to let ones of the guys with something to prove have a go.
He hasn’t been able to get the best out of car on tarmac, so best to have a go at some gravel rallies where he is comfortable with the car and with a good road position...

mknight
28th January 2020, 20:33
One final thought about Ogier at Monte. I read a lot of comments how he now wasn't the fastest while he won all those previous year.

Yes discounting the VW year he won in 2017-2019, but he wasn't really fastest in any of those years.
In 2017 Neuville was beating him quite clearly, even if you remove the 40s lost in a ditch.
In 2018 again Neuville was quicker most of the time (but lost lot of time in start stuck on the side of the road)
Finally last year Tanak was clearly fastest and Neuville could also have beat him if he didn't go off road on that junction.

In light of that this year's performance doesn't really stand out. The only catch there is that he wasn't clearly beating his teammate.

AndyRAC
28th January 2020, 20:59
I'm pretty sure he only set one fastest stage time when he won in 2009 in the Peugeot...

br21
29th January 2020, 13:55
According to FIA onboard accelerometers it was 35G, I don't know how accurate they are, but I believe quite good, as together with dashboard face facing camera they are used to analyze the accidents and implement additional safety features. And in this value I can believe, as he didn't hit anything solid that stopped the car (creating big G), he basically slide over those first obstacles.
Those sensors are not used for red flagging automatically, but they are additional information, together with temperature sensor (for fire), etc. So if car stops suddenly with big G then it's most likely some accident, which makes rally people more aware about the situation, comparing to stop to change a tire when crew forgets to press OK button, which happens very often...
Anyway for me it was very difficult event, like every Monte basically. Tire choice complicated in two, maybe three situations, but road conditions changed a lot from recce time, so for small teams with not much information it was tricky.

AnttiL
29th January 2020, 14:02
One final thought about Ogier at Monte. I read a lot of comments how he now wasn't the fastest while he won all those previous year.

Yes discounting the VW year he won in 2017-2019, but he wasn't really fastest in any of those years.
In 2017 Neuville was beating him quite clearly, even if you remove the 40s lost in a ditch.
In 2018 again Neuville was quicker most of the time (but lost lot of time in start stuck on the side of the road)
Finally last year Tanak was clearly fastest and Neuville could also have beat him if he didn't go off road on that junction.

In light of that this year's performance doesn't really stand out. The only catch there is that he wasn't clearly beating his teammate.

Yeah, I think Ogier was as fast as always, Neuville just managed to keep it together this time, and Evans was faster than usually.

dimviii
29th January 2020, 15:02
To be fair, he’s clearly being honest. .

you need big balls to be honest with 9 world championships.No moaning about car also.
He is very big,inside and outside car.

dimviii
29th January 2020, 15:03
I'm pretty sure he only set one fastest stage time when he won in 2009 in the Peugeot...

dont remember how many stages he had won,but remember that he wasnt the fastest at all.

dimviii
29th January 2020, 15:40
about the tyre choices at Hyundai for Sunday.They were very close to catastrophe even for Neuville.
Thats the articles we want to read at wrc offical site.But they are really a bunch of amateurs clueless.

https://www.dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/sordos-tough-weekend-as-neuvilles-ice-man/

EstWRC
29th January 2020, 15:48
about the tyre choices at Hyundai for Sunday.They were very close to catastrophe even for Neuville.
Thats the articles we want to read at wrc offical site.But they are really a bunch of amateurs clueless.

https://www.dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/sordos-tough-weekend-as-neuvilles-ice-man/

agreed, Dirtfish has surprised me a lot so far, especially during the Monte, very good interviews, quickly news and updates, articles on their site etc, this is exactly how wrc.com should be.

and it seems that David Evans is also joining them. well done so far

Lancia Stratos
29th January 2020, 17:35
They did - just from a different story angle.

https://www.wrc.com/en/editor-tree/season-2020/wrc/neuville-on-sordo/

dimviii
29th January 2020, 17:42
They did - just from a different story angle.

https://www.wrc.com/en/editor-tree/season-2020/wrc/neuville-on-sordo/

while they wrote what we already knew,they didnt write the most important,that we didnt knew.The change at last minutes from super softs to softs.That was the important,not that Sordo helped Neuville.

dimviii
30th January 2020, 14:55
Νeuville ss 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=k-s6vPYjYDE&feature=emb_logo

spyros
30th January 2020, 16:19
Νeuville ss 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=k-s6vPYjYDE&feature=emb_logo

excelent driving,well deserved win.

EstWRC
4th February 2020, 19:32
Rovanpera onboard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd_Qi750gWA

EstWRC
7th February 2020, 22:11
we need this kind of analysis on WRC+and RIGHT NOW

https://pushingpace.com/wrc/analysis/2020/02/07/neuville-v-evans-telemetry-battle-ss2-bayons-breziers/

dimviii
7th February 2020, 22:50
nice work from the guy!

Fast Eddie WRC
7th February 2020, 23:12
we need this kind of analysis on WRC+and RIGHT NOW

https://pushingpace.com/wrc/analysis/2020/02/07/neuville-v-evans-telemetry-battle-ss2-bayons-breziers/

Great analysis, showing what its like when WRC is taken seriously ... unlike by Becs & Co.