WRC ADAC Deutschland Rallye 2019

[cosmin_sb]

2nd day standing (157km):
1 Sordo 2 Tanak +4.4s 3. Meeke +11.1s

[EstWRC]

is that a hinkelstein that the rear passed so close?

yep, very very lucky

[KKS]

Mads puncture again near same place

[er88]

Puncture for Kopecky - or some sort of damage

[KKS]

Kopecky... finally some car with lightpod

[wrc2017]

1,2,3 toyota
4,5,6 hyundai
7,8 citreon

[er88]

Kopecky "repair the road or don't run this stage. I'm fed up"

[er88]

Ostberg throwing his Citroen team under the bus for destroying another rally of his - Rim issue. Not implementing or listening to changes he wants presumably.

[meh]

Party time for Tanak. Get your beers out Estonia

A bit too early... Just, do you remember Sardegna?

[HaCo]

TN spun right in front of us, have video but crappy internet.

[KKS]

Camilli have luck that it was a small deer rather a small tank on panzer area :D

[dimviii]

TN spun right in front of us, have video but crappy internet.

take your time.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECwVMvqX4AIz_6k?format=jpg&name=small

[erikli2]

My girlfriend asked me earlier today if animals ever gets hit my rally cars. In order to maintain the small interest in wrc that she has, I said "no, never". And now Camilli hits a deer on the live stream..

Anyway, feels like the R5 team of Citroën has some work to do. Mads sounded pretty fed up with them.

[eib1]

congrats to Teemu, really solid day

[KKS]

Ostberg throwing his Citroen team under the bus for destroying another rally of his - Rim issue. Not implementing or listening to changes he wants presumably.
Plus car can't to adjust a brake balance and u must use old Volvo tricks to get brakes as it should. And when it was dark your co-driver must hold by one hand his interior lights to read pacenotes. Perfect car!

[dimviii]

big balls pass.Hopefully rallyechrono have more passes from this at their full daily video
https://www.facebook.com/rallyechrono/videos/2218144388296423/?v=2218144388296423

[EstWRC]

TN spun right in front of us, have video but crappy internet.

if you mean Panzerplatte 2 then we have it here already by one member.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECvEDD0XUAUclyr?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

if you mean Panzerplatte 2 then we have it here already by one member.

we never mind a second one from different angle.

[eib1]

what are the Hyundai guys drinking, does Adamo has cows? :D

[EstWRC]

we never mind a second one from different angle.

of course, i meant that theres no hurry

Lappi in the media zone, he was asked that theres a little gap between him and Mikkelsen, will he catch him? Lappi: "Well eat him for breakfast!" :D

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4wJU9E7pl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaWf9gAGBc4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk6k_G2Rmfg

[hari]

Some images from Saturday: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_adac_rallye_deutschland_2019.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland4/1.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland4/2.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland4/13.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland4/15.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland4/12.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland4/4.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland4/42.jpg

[KKS]

big balls pass.Hopefully rallyechrono have more passes from this at their full daily video
https://www.facebook.com/rallyechrono/videos/2218144388296423/?v=2218144388296423
same spot as officials had their TV crew

[Rally Power]

Ostberg throwing his Citroen team under the bus for destroying another rally of his - Rim issue. Not implementing or listening to changes he wants presumably.

Did Tanak throw Toyota under the bus for all the reliability issues that his car suffered, preventing him to get deserved wins? Is Ogier bashing Citroen for the C3 poor handling? Real champs usually don't blame their teams in the worst moments; that's a sensible way to motivate the staff around them to do a better job. Others simply can't deal with frustration and get vocal in ways that hardly will help them.

[doubled1978]

Will be interesting to see if Meeke learns the lesson from this. He has driven within himself, kept out of trouble and is now second having benefitted from others having issues. He turned the wick up on 1 stage, just to put JML in his place for tomorrow.
Good job so far, but to be fair JML hasn’t done a lot wrong either, but I don’t think he has that last drop of pace that Meeke has when it’s drop your trousers time.

[Allez Andruet]

So to all our Estonian friends, get your chants of "and the new..." ready. That will be trending in few months.

[meh]

Will be interesting to see if Meeke learns the lesson from this. He has driven within himself, kept out of trouble and is now second having benefitted from others having issues. He turned the wick up on 1 stage, just to put JML in his place for tomorrow.
Good job so far, but to be fair JML hasn’t done a lot wrong either, but I don’t think he has that last drop of pace that Meeke has when it’s drop your trousers time.

I bet this time they'll have one serious "to-be-clear" conversation with Mäkinen just in case :)

Mäkinen's magic phone-call fixed some Latvala's mental issues today already.

[meh]

So to all our Estonian friends, get your chants of "and the new..." ready. That will be trending in few months.

Already commented, that it is too early to celebrate. In Estonian culture there is also saying "don't celebrate before the evening". Ott himself and all fans know it clearly and learned it hard way.

[HaCo]

Neuville spun at our place.

https://youtu.be/qUvMA3tZykI
I was right next to you!

[Allez Andruet]

Already commented, that it is too early to celebrate. In Estonian culture there is also saying "don't celebrate before the evening". Ott himself and all fans know it clearly and learned it hard way.

Ofcourse, as Finns would say "älä nuolaise ennen kuin tipahtaa" (not gonna translate that to English). There's a long way to go (even in Germany), but at the moment it looks somewhat mission impossible to derail the Tänak title express.

[AnttiL]

Tomorrow is almost 80 km of stages, with the same tyres

[wrc2017]

Did Tanak throw Toyota under the bus for all the reliability issues that his car suffered, preventing him to get deserved wins? Is Ogier bashing Citroen for the C3 poor handling? Real champs usually don't blame their teams in the worst moments; that's a sensible way to motivate the staff around them to do a better job. Others simply can't deal with frustration and get vocal in ways that hardly will help them.

Slight difference..
Otsberg is probably paying for it

[Indreq]

So for first three stages tomoŕrow there are two things to watch : if Lappi bothers to try to catch Mikkelsen for 6th and if any Toyotas will break down. In studio they will probably discuss F1. Or kardashians...

[wia5958]

Wonder what that Meeke Ogier convo is about in that Michelin vid 😋

[doubled1978]

I bet this time they'll have one serious "to-be-clear" conversation with Mäkinen just in case :)

Mäkinen's magic phone-call fixed some Latvala's mental issues today already.

Oh for sure, that’s race over now Ogier has dropped back. They will be ordered to hold position and god help either of them if they disobey this time!

[wia5958]

Just a thought but which boss would u like to piss of least Tommi or adamo. Adamo could possibly headbutt u but that would be it done and dusted. But Tommi could make it a long cold painfull mistake u wouldn't forget for a long time just my thoughts 😁

[MTA]

Plus car can't to adjust a brake balance and u must use old Volvo tricks to get brakes as it should. And when it was dark your co-driver must hold by one hand his interior lights to read pacenotes. Perfect car!

Volvo tricks?

[er88]

Did Tanak throw Toyota under the bus for all the reliability issues that his car suffered, preventing him to get deserved wins? Is Ogier bashing Citroen for the C3 poor handling? Real champs usually don't blame their teams in the worst moments; that's a sensible way to motivate the staff around them to do a better job. Others simply can't deal with frustration and get vocal in ways that hardly will help them.Yeah I do agree in general. But maybe if Ostberg is bringing some budget/sponsors (I have no idea, so might not be the case), then you can sort of understand why he wants changes he suggests to be made pronto. He didn't even go to Finland because they didn't make the changes he wanted, so sounds like something isn't going well between him and the hierarchy.

[dimviii]

sanglieeeer
https://youtu.be/ap9cvFPmYTg

https://youtu.be/Th7JXcBXccs

[KKS]

Volvo tricks?
used brake pads on front and new on rear to adjust brake balance.
It's a factory rally car in 2019.

[KKS]

Very hard morning ))) wake-up at local 07:10 and was hard. Wounder how it was for rally guys to be on legs on 06:00 local

[KKS]

sanglieeeer
https://youtu.be/ap9cvFPmYTg

https://youtu.be/Th7JXcBXccs
That Suninen moment on a Brenn crest... oh

Rally Cars on low sun - it's a fantastic view!

[Integrale]

Very hard morning ))) wake-up at local 07:10 and was hard. Wounder how it was for rally guys to be on legs on 06:00 localIt's pretty early yeah!

[HaCo]

Last day, almost at the finish of ss grafshaft, nice overview on countryside, no vineyards in my view.

[EstWRC]

Moooorning

yes, very early mornings this time, expect friday

[KKS]

Lappi start to prepare his Norwegian breakfast :D

[EstWRC]

man how massively Ogier is cutting everywhere

[Integrale]

Seems like nobody is attacking anymore. Very tidy driving here.

[AnttiL]

Lappi will pass Mikkelsen, but Ogier cannot do that...interesting team order decisions ahead

[wrc2017]

sordo might by putting latvala under pressure

[EstWRC]

Latvala must up his pace a little bit

[AnttiL]

Latvala must up his pace a little bit

Nah, I think it's enough. Although no room for errors.

[TypeR]

Latvala waaaay too slow.. Hyundais getting really close

[EstWRC]

man this is too slow for Latvala

[er88]

What is Jari doing

[EstWRC]

he gave half the gap away already with one stage

[er88]

he gave half the gap away already with one stageThat worries me. Just puts himself under a bit more needless pressure now

[steve.mandzij]

he gave half the gap away already with one stagePuzzling strategy, with him feeling all okay about it too.

[KKS]

Mads on WRC2 have good spilts up on Kopecky and Rovanpera

[EstWRC]

Otts driving like on road mode

[AnttiL]

Will Hyundai drop Sordo anyway behind Neuville? Team points won't be affected.

[EstWRC]

Will Hyundai drop Sordo anyway behind Neuville? Team points won't be affected.

they will, Neuville mentioned it in the media zone yesterday

[AnttiL]

they will, Neuville mentioned it in the media zone yesterday

So, Sordo is not a threat to Latvala then?

[EstWRC]

So, Sordo is not a threat to Latvala then?

he is, i think this was meant if Sordo wouldnt pass Latvala

[AnttiL]

he is, i think this was meant if Sordo wouldnt pass Latvala

But will Neuville's points be more important than Sordo's podium (and ruining of Toyota's 1-2-3)?

[KKS]

he is, i think this was meant if Sordo wouldnt pass Latvala
Yep, I think Adamo will not sacrifice Manu points

[AnttiL]

Hypothetical leaderboard before the last stage

1 Tänak M1
2 Meeke M2
3 Sordo M3
4 Latvala
5 Neuville M4
6 Lappi M5
7 Mikkelsen
8 Ogier M6

after team orders, manu points stay the same

1 Tänak M1
2 Meeke M2
3 Latvala
4 Neuville M3
5 Sordo M4
6 Mikkelsen
7 Ogier M5
8 Lappi M6

[er88]

Lappi was right about eating Mikkelsen for breakfast then....

[krissucool]

So for Ott sake, it would be nice if Sordo passed Latvala.

Would Adamo really sacrifice a podium to get Neuville a few extra points with the same manu points. Dont see it happening.

[EstWRC]

judging by Latvalas reaction and face it seemed to me they dont care if Sordo gets past or not, because the first two cars will bring manu points anyway

[KKS]

A hour before next stage and wrc+ didn't show even Mads. Strange, they have camera and reporter, they have free hour - SHOW US ALL FIELD! Nope, they showing photos with sad music....

[krissucool]

judging by Latvalas reaction and face it seemed to me they dont care if Sordo gets past or not, because the first two cars will bring manu points anyway

But then again, how likely is Meeke to get to the end? Like 60%?

[EstWRC]

But then again, how likely is Meeke to get to the end? Like 60%?

100%

why so negative ?

[krissucool]

Seen Meeke drive before...

He has had like 15 broken rims/flat tyres this year plus countless blounders in positions where he has absolutely no room to make a mistake.

[rp]

A hour before next stage and wrc+ didn't show even Mads. Strange, they have camera and reporter, they have free hour - SHOW US ALL FIELD! Nope, they showing photos with sad music....

At least they should have shown Mads, because he is WRC2 Pro driver and of course all the WRC2 competitors... :(

[wrc2017]

100%

why so negative ?

Meeke bashing a just a habit for some people.

[er88]

Small chance Ogier could get Mikkelsen?

[KKS]

Mads:

"The car stopped on final sector, we got it going again. Otherwise a good stage for us"
That's why he not a win stage. Early splits was good.

[krissucool]

Yes, he has not contributed to his reputation one bit.

[EstWRC]

quite a big losses already in first split compared to Suninen

[wia5958]

Tactics by Toyota drop latvala back a bit give Hyundai the scent of a podium n possibly force them into a mistake as they push for it

[surdna]

judging by Latvalas reaction and face it seemed to me they dont care if Sordo gets past or not, because the first two cars will bring manu points anyway

Ofcourse they care, last 1-2-3 podium for any team was from year 2015. But for to get the result it’s better to not but pressure on Latvala and he knows he needs to be calm for his sake.

[EstWRC]

wow Ogier: "i cant not drive this car!

[able1]

wow Ogier: "i cant not drive this car!

If that is coming from 6 times champ ... citroen really is crap

[KKS]

wow Ogier: "i cant not drive this car!
As we say in Ukraine: "Eyes see what they buy"

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Should've stayed at M-Sport, Seb !

[KKS]

If that is coming from 6 times champ ... citroen really is crap
If it come from Meeke two years rally by rally - it was a Meeke fault? :D haha. Now french trust only to french

[EstWRC]

Lappi also speechless

[krissucool]

Ogier knew what the Citröen car is. He chose it, nobody to blame.

[EstWRC]

Latvala has upped his pace

[wia5958]

Wow them Citroen guys are not happy

[EstWRC]

Latvala fastest in secon split

[er88]

Wouldn't hold it against Seb if he decides enough is enough and just retires. C3 a lost cause

[EstWRC]

nice answer Latvala

[T16]

Wouldn't hold it against Seb if he decides enough is enough and just retires. C3 a lost cause

I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up at one of the other three teams next year.

[wrc2017]

If it come from Meeke two years rally by rally - it was a Meeke fault? :D haha. Now french trust only to french

Yeah and its probably infinitely better than it was..

[wrc2017]

Ogier knew what the Citröen car is. He chose it, nobody to blame.

No, it was Meekes fault.

[Tauri_J]

I dont have time to look through all the posts but does anyone know where the hell is TV podium? Couldnt find any info

Thanks

[EstWRC]

delay with the next stage, should be live already

[er88]

I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up at one of the other three teams next year.Stranger things have happened tbf. Although he left Msport because he wanted a 3rd title with 3 different manufacturers before he retired, so couldn't see him going back to Msport.

Toyota might be in need of a new lead driver if Tanak actually went back to Msport though ;)

[Tarmop]

To take it further, that 3rd manuf. had to be Citroen at that time...so maybe M-Sport wouldn`t be a problem.

Then again we would lose a team with two cars, and we don`t have them enough anyway...

[HaCo]

A lot more drama last year on the final day.

[EstWRC]

lol https://twitter.com/richmillener/status/1165528361952784384?s=20

[wrc2017]

Stranger things have happened tbf. Although he left Msport because he wanted a 3rd title with 3 different manufacturers before he retired, so couldn't see him going back to Msport.

Toyota might be in need of a new lead driver if Tanak actually went back to Msport though ;)

Id say he'd retire.. But he might like to try the Toyota!

[AnttiL]

A lot more drama last year on the final day.

Two stages to go still!

[EstWRC]

why the delay? 10 minutes already

[HaCo]

Please don’t cancel!

[KKS]

Id say he'd retire.. But he might like to try the Toyota!
it better to retire :)

[HaCo]

Helicopter circling around.

[wrc2017]

why the delay? 10 minutes already any longer they might have to cancel

[EstWRC]

any longer they might have to cancel

exactly, tight schedule

[KKS]

why the delay? 10 minutes already
Probably to watch as Mads winning a stage )

[EstWRC]

stage live now

[er88]

Going to be some cold tyres for the drivers sitting in that line of cars

[KKS]

exactly, tight schedule
it was a 40min regroup after. So all ok.

[Tarmop]

No, it was Meekes fault.

And Portugal/ Finland were Toyota`s fault? And the main developer of Citroen was...?
I`d say a mix of both, but wouldn`t blame all on the car and also not all on Meeke.

[krissucool]

And Portugal/ Finland were Toyota`s fault? And the main developer of Citroen was...?
I`d say a mix of both, but wouldn`t blame all on the car and also not all on Meeke.

:D

[HaCo]

Ogier touched , over steering, a walking road side right in front of us.

[EstWRC]

and on this stage the Citroen suddenly works

[KKS]

And Portugal/ Finland were Toyota`s fault? And the main developer of Citroen was...?
I`d say a mix of both, but wouldn`t blame all on the car and also not all on Meeke.
Sarcasm? No! Did't hear about that

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Suninen faster than stage winner Neuville was on the first run of this stage.

[KKS]

If some tactics will apply it's right time on it. Latest possible at regroup-in TC after this stage

[wia5958]

Don't know anyone can blame Meeke at all for Citroen flaws he is of course a very experienced guy at car testing involved in DS3 C4 207 and mini. So to say the c3 is his fault is unfair.

[krissucool]

Don't know anyone can blame Meeke at all for Citroen flaws he is of course a very experienced guy at car testing involved in DS3 C4 207 and mini. So to say the c3 is his fault is unfair.

God sake guys, nobody blamed him, it was the clearest sarcasm you will ever see from wrc2017. Come on, you are better than this guys.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier & Lappi - never heard two more dejected team-mates.

[EstWRC]

Latvala holding steady with Sordo

[KKS]

Can't get why Neuville is pushing. To catch Sordo in fair fight and probably crash during it? Very smart

[Tarmop]

God sake guys, nobody blamed him, it was the clearest sarcasm you will ever see from wrc2017. Come on, you are better than this guys.

Yes, because Meeke is one of his favourites, Citroen not...:)

[EstWRC]

Neuville just confirmed he is going past Dani after rally

[wia5958]

I am aware but in general people believe Meeke developed the c3 alone and that's y it is so bad and yes he did develop it and it obviously worked well on Citroen's test track but there is a fundamental flaw somewhere in the design of that car that nobody has been able to solve and that has to fall on the design department no one else

[er88]

Ogier is just so dejected- like Lappi has been most of the year.

Ogier has nothing to prove and left to accomplish in the wrc so can happily retire, but I just hope this car/team doesn't break and scar Lappi permanently.

[er88]

I am aware but in general people believe Meeke developed the c3 alone and that's y it is so bad and yes he did develop it and it obviously worked well on Citroen's test track but there is a fundamental flaw somewhere in the design of that car that nobody has been able to solve and that has to fall on the design department no one elseYeah it's probably not worth going over again, but Citroen admitted it was their engineers and designers fault - too many risks taken by them.

[EstWRC]

now Latvala has given chuck again but all okay

[RS]

Nice splits from Kajto.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tremendous time by Neuville... beating Suninen's time by 7s !

[KKS]

Nice splits from Kajto.
and Andolfi, but he's was already out with that

[EstWRC]

was i only one who heard a loud hit against the rim when Ott cut one corner in the end ?

[RS]

FFS, no R5 on all live again.

[KKS]

Stage stopped after Andolfi

[wrc2017]

Don't know anyone can blame Meeke at all for Citroen flaws he is of course a very experienced guy at car testing involved in DS3 C4 207 and mini. So to say the c3 is his fault is unfair.

It's was designed by the Citröen WTCC team before he even seen it. You can't make gold from a turd...as Ogier is finding out.

[KKS]

And wrc+ immediately switch off after wrc - it's not good news :(

[wrc2017]

was i only one who heard a loud hit against the rim when Ott cut one corner in the end ?

That when he looked right out of the window

[EstWRC]

It's was designed by the Citröen WTCC team before he even seen it. You can't make gold from a turd...as Ogier is finding out.

but he was praising the car through all the 2016 season when competing on certain rounds, i will remember his words till the end of my life: "just wait till i get/compete in the 17 car"

but this shows again that testing is another thing and real rally another, as some guys have told here the C3 indeed looked amazin on the tests but sucks on real stages

[EstWRC]

That when he looked right out of the window

that was later and he strangely looked onto the field or smth like that, that was weird

[wrc2017]

that was later and he strangely looked onto the field or smth like that, that was weird

Maybe some girls with their boobs out.

[KKS]

"And yet another one special stage was stopped before our start. SS18 was interrupted after the crash of Fabio Andolfi. After that an ambulance left to the stage – Fabio’s co-driver Simone Scattolin needed the medical help. "

(

[KKS]

Maybe some girls with their boobs out.
No Mads - no boobs :D

[rhm]

"And yet another one special stage was stopped before our start. SS18 was interrupted after the crash of Fabio Andolfi. After that an ambulance left to the stage – Fabio’s co-driver Simone Scattolin needed the medical help. "

(

I hope the crew are ok and it's just precautionary.

[Tarmop]

but he was praising the car through all the 2016 season when competing on certain rounds, i will remember his words till the end of my life: "just wait till i get/compete in the 17 car"

but this shows again that testing is another thing and real rally another, as some guys have told here the C3 indeed looked amazin on the tests but sucks on real stages

It was quite amazing in Corsica for example, 2017. So you could say all the videos didn`t lie.

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECzTWiZWwAA3Lyg?format=jpg&name=large

[krissucool]

It is incredible how poor the C3 is on asphalt these days. I think nobody has any objections if we say Ogier is one of the fastest if not the fastest asphalt drivers these days.

This year in Corsica and Germany, both strong events for him previously. He is driving 4-6th place pace all rally. Incredible.

[Rally Power]

If it come from Meeke two years rally by rally - it was a Meeke fault? :D haha. Now french trust only to french

At least Ogier isn´t crashing the car rally in rally out, like Meeke was.

As a rally fan I can’t get why so many here seem to have pleasure bashing Citroen, some even wishing them to retire from the WRC. Maybe the day Toyota is left alone running the series (hope never, but their domination can become hurtful) people will regret the French cars absence.

Hopefully in Turkey things will get better and Citroen drivers can be able to show a top pace, like they did in Finland, just 3 weeks ago. Meanwhile, let’s enjoy the PS.

[mknight]

It is incredible how poor the C3 is on asphalt these days. I think nobody has any objections if we say Ogier is one of the fastest if not the fastest asphalt drivers these days.

This year in Corsica and Germany, both strong events for him previously. He is driving 4-6th place pace all rally. Incredible.

You could say the same about I20 with Loeb and Mikkelsen. Using 2018/2017 C3 as comparison.

[krissucool]

You could say the same about I20 with Loeb and Mikkelsen. Using 2018/2017 C3 as comparison.

Absolutely. But Loeb is like 50 and his co-driver weighs like 200 pounds. A decline is pound to happen at some point.

And Mikkelsen is Mikkelsen. Ogier is the reigning world champion, was the reigning winner in Corsica and was the 2nd fastest driver last year in Germany.

Also, Mikkelsen does not have much excuses, Neuville and Sordo showing great pace with Hyundai on asphalt.

Both Citröen drivers struggling mightily and showing utter frustration towards the car.

[KKS]

At least Ogier isn´t crashing the car rally in rally out, like Meeke was.

As a rally fan I can’t get why so many here seem to have pleasure bashing Citroen, some even wishing them to retire from the WRC. Maybe the day Toyota is left alone running the series (hope never, but their domination can become hurtful) people will regret the French cars absence.

Hopefully in Turkey things will get better and Citroen drivers can be able to show a top pace, like they did in Finland, just 3 weeks ago. Meanwhile, let’s enjoy the PS.
Cuz they french! They build a car. two years they was told that it was all wrong. They disregard all and do the same.. result? C3WRC worst car.
Than same team create C3R5 without brake bias at all. Why? Cuz it's their approach to make bad rally cars.

[T16]

Cuz they french! They build a car. two years they was told that it was all wrong. They disregard all and do the same.. result? C3WRC worst car.
Than same team create C3R5 without brake bias at all. Why? Cuz it's their approach to make bad rally cars.

Didn't they win nine WDCs with Loeb?

[mknight]

Absolutely. But Loeb is like 50 and his co-driver weighs like 200 pounds. A decline is pound to happen at some point.

And Mikkelsen is Mikkelsen. Ogier is the reigning world champion, was the reigning winner in Corsica and was the 2nd fastest driver last year in Germany.

Obviously we are not comparing Loeb 10 years ago but Loeb 2018 vs 2019.

Similarly to Ogier, Mikkelsen was 2nd fastest in 2017.

So technically (in terms of pace/stage times) Loeb/Mikkelsen drops are bigger that Ogier's. While their teammates have podium pace!!!

My whole point with this comparison is that (some?) 2017+ cars seem to be rather tricky with setup/small changes.

[krissucool]

Obviously we are not comparing Loeb 10 years ago but Loeb 2018 vs 2019.

Similarly to Ogier, Mikkelsen was 2nd fastest in 2017.

So technically (in terms of pace/stage times) Loeb/Mikkelsen drops are bigger that Ogier's. While their teammates have podium pace!!!

My whole point with this comparison is that (some?) 2017+ cars seem to be rather tricky with setup/small changes.

I understand. My point is that while Hyundai seems to be a difficult car to set up. Citröen seems to have just utterly screwed up their car on asphalt where nobody seems to be able to set it up anymore.

[HaCo]

Camilli punctured rightfront.

[mknight]

I understand. My point is that while Hyundai seems to be a difficult car to set up. Citröen seems to have just utterly screwed up their car on asphalt where nobody seems to be able to set it up anymore.

I agree, point was that they managed to do that with seemingly small changes in very short time (from Spain 2018 to Corsica this year, or you might even say it was good in Monte this year). Budar even said on Corsica that all diffs and dampers were same like the year before.

So small things seem to make big differences.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

C3 was good only on tarmac so they developed it for gravel as there are more gravel rallies.

Plus Citroen budget isnt what Toyota & Hyundai have and it shows. The others have improved while Citroen havent done so much.Sad situation for WRC really.

[Indreq]

Is there echo in wrc+ or is the problem with my system?

[Rallyper]

Is there echo in wrc+ or is the problem with my system?

No echoe at my place.

[Katvala]

My guess is that Toyota with Tänak will turn into domination mode for a few years, like in the Volkswagen era.
At least after Ogier retire

Edit: re:echo. no echo here either
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[wia5958]

At least Ogier isn´t crashing the car rally in rally out, like Meeke was.

As a rally fan I can’t get why so many here seem to have pleasure bashing Citroen, some even wishing them to retire from the WRC. Maybe the day Toyota is left alone running the series (hope never, but their domination can become hurtful) people will regret the French cars absence.

Hopefully in Turkey things will get better and Citroen drivers can be able to show a top pace, like they did in Finland, just 3 weeks ago. Meanwhile, let’s enjoy the PS.

Again that's after much development to make it more driveable. I wonder what the story would of been if seb was in it in 17 start of 18 can u imagine his comments and I'm sure there would of been a few offs

[Rallyper]

Solid rally from Suninen. Didn´t really expect that.

[Indreq]

No echoe at my place.

Thanks, i found the problem. Wrc dedicated app didnt work for me in the morning, so i opened wrc+ in browser window. Now couple of hours later app started also videostream in background but with small delay, so sound had weird echo due to that.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Suninen 3.3s faster than the stage winner on 1st run of Dhrontal.

[AnttiL]

Good time from Suninen, let's see how far it takes him

[EstWRC]

Ogier ont he stage, lets see, quite often he suddenly finds magical speed on those

[meh]

Was it Timo Jouhki (manager for Latvala and Rovanpera) in Toyota "house"?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Excellent display by Suninen. He would've been right in the top 5 fight but for Friday's car issue.

[Oliverk]

Was it Timo Jouhki (manager for Latvala and Rovanpera) in Toyota "house"?

Yes

[TypeR]

that C3 must really be a red brick if Ogier can't beat Teemu on tarmac :O

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good job by GG too. No big mistakes on a tricky rally. Great experience.

[Rallyper]

Ogier down on Suninen, +1,5 s ...!

[RS]

Was it Timo Jouhki (manager for Latvala and Rovanpera) in Toyota "house"?

Buy one get one free?

[Rallyper]

Buy one get one free?

Swap JML to Suninen? (swop?)

[GravelBen]

Excellent display by Suninen. He would've been right in the top 5 fight but for Friday's car issue.

He is a surprisingly good tarmac driver (breaking the Finnish gravel stereotype), IIRC ex Finnish karting champ?

[HaCo]

Apparently 15000 spectators on the power stage, info from stage speaker/organization.

[Katvala]

Now let's see what Neuville can do..

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[krissucool]

Now let's see what Neuville can do..

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Massive shock if he doesnt win this.

[EstWRC]

1 sec down in first split

[Fast Eddie WRC]

He is a surprisingly good tarmac driver (breaking the Finnish gravel stereotype), IIRC ex Finnish karting champ?

Yep a karting background.

He looked rapid in the PET & Corsica so no surprise he was good here.

[krissucool]

1 sec down in first split

Wow. Teemu is an absolute monster.

[rhm]

Lappi seems devastated, still beating Andreas...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville slower on split !

[EstWRC]

now 0.5 faster

[Katvala]

0.5s faster on split2

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[RS]

Swap JML to Suninen? (swop?)

I would quite like to see JML at M-Sport, they could do with a team leader and I think maybe he could thrive there.

But I'm still not sure about Suninen.. if I were Tommi I'd rather keep Jari Matti.

[meh]

Impressive drive from Neuville, but what I can not stand are comments "we probably could won".

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Shame for Neuville losing points with that puncture.. he was super-quick all rally.

[rhm]

yeah, but shoulda woulda coulda been a top 2 finish...

[Indreq]

Wtf Sordo is not giving his spot to Neuville?

[Katvala]

Wtf Sordo is not giving his spot to Neuville?They sort that out after stage end. Checking in late if needed, for a penalty

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[Zeakiwi2]

Check in late to final control?

Are the post event reports by the FIA officials put online anywhere?

[Katvala]

Yes

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[Rallyper]

Happy Latvala at the finish!! Happy for him.

[EstWRC]

Ott taking it safe

[Rallyper]

Ott taking it safe

Loosing many points on FantasyWRC...

[krissucool]

Greensmith pace? That is weird.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dream rally by and for Tänak and Toyota. Doesnt get any better than a 1-2-3. Congrats to them all - great job.

[rhm]

Going to be a fun party at Toyota tonight!

[Rallyper]

Big congrats to the whole Toyota team! And to Ott, winning again!!!

[EstWRC]

fuck, some issues again and didnt get any points

[meh]

Ott with only one brake, that's why he was slow.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Brake issue stopped him pushing.

[meh]

Meeke and Latvala, job well done!

[Katvala]

10 points between 4th and 8th in the championship

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[RS]

Looks like Griebel wants the place back off Kajto.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice close up in the Manus.. Toyota just 8 pts down now.

[able1]

Is it first time during this season where Meeke and Latvala contributed to tanaks wdc ambition?

[RS]

Looks like Griebel wants the place back off Kajto.

And he does it, good job by German drivers in RC2 here. 1-2-3 for Fabia Evo too.

[EstWRC]

cmon Ott and Martin cheer up, you look like on funeral on the podium

[mknight]

Meeke and Latvala, job well done!

Imagine if they drove like this from the start. Not pushing for stage wins and avoiding mistakes.

IMO they should have been coached this way already 5-6 rallies ago.

[meh]

cmon Ott and Martin cheer up, you look like on funeral on the podium

They potentially just lost up to 5 points...

[AnttiL]

He is a surprisingly good tarmac driver (breaking the Finnish gravel stereotype), IIRC ex Finnish karting champ?

At one point Esapekka was Teemu's mechanic in Karting.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@TeemuSuninenRac
Yess! Second fastest and four extra points from Power Stage with time 7.31,5 - just 1,3 from @thierryneuville. The last two days were really good to us. We could show our speed on tarmac.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECz9PaGXkAAXq3O?format=jpg&name=small

[GravelBen]

At one point Esapekka was Teemu's mechanic in Karting.

Excellent random fact, I'll remember that one! :D

[EstWRC]

best of rallyechrono https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA1jscGnX3I

[kraut]

Any informations of Sordo and possibly Lappi checking in two minutes late at the final time control?

[AnttiL]

I'm happy about Meeke finally getting a good result. Now all works drivers have a podium for this year.

[doubled1978]

I'm happy about Meeke finally getting a good result. Now all works drivers have a podium for this year.

Yes good for him, let’s see if he can maintain this kind of driving for the coming rallies.....maybe something will click with him, he really only drove to his fast speed on 1 stage for the whole rally, and he finished 2nd.

[Simmi]

cmon Ott and Martin cheer up, you look like on funeral on the podium

Rare to see Ott crack a smile these last few years. I've not seen his film yet which I'd be interested to watch, as I'm sure it would give a good insight into the person.

But his mood seems to have darkened the better he's performed.

[svstock]

https://i.imgur.com/iinODms.png

#ralli-tekst-otse
https://discord.gg/yVqYv2q

[Carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/iinODms.png

#ralli-tekst-otse
https://discord.gg/yVqYv2q

Pathetic, they try so hard but after all they fail. No respect at all.

[Rally Power]

Congrats to Tanak/Jarveoja and Toyota. Hope their competitors will be able to provide a harder fight in Turkey; this podium looked as a Yaris Rally Cup celebration...

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECzHRLdXsAIYbqt.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_08_2019/post-365-0-72910400-1566736606.jpeg
https://img2.autohebdosport.es/e0/34/2a/wrc_2019_rd10_246-990x600.jpg

[EstWRC]

https://twitter.com/TGR_WRC/status/1165597242033614848?s=20


updated table now after swapping places

1⃣ Tanak 205
2⃣ Neuville 172
3⃣ Ogier 165
4⃣ Meeke 80
5⃣ Mikkelsen 79
6⃣ Evans 78
7⃣ Latvala 74
8⃣ Suninen 70
9⃣ Sordo 62
10 Lappi 62

[er88]

I'm happy about Meeke finally getting a good result. Now all works drivers have a podium for this year.Been long overdue.

Unlucky puncture while leading Mexico, when he should've been finishing 2nd. Car issues/ puncture/ time penalty combined when Ogier pipped him to the podium on the last stage in Argentina, and then inexcusably chucking away 2nd and then 3rd place in rally portugal on the last day/stage. Overstepping the limit in Finland as well when that should've been another podium, despite the consequences of hitting that rock being unlucky vs how Latvala got off lightly.

Story of what might have been this year. It's poor conversion considering the positions he's been in, and that will make it doubly annoying for Meeke/Toyota because these tiny margins would've had him comfortably 4th in the championship and Toyota better off in the manufacturers.

However on the flipside of that, it's not like he's had a bad season in terms of being lost and miles off the pace in his first year in the Yaris. Let's see what he can do for the rest of the season, Turkey will be difficult though - 4th on the road now and wasn't there last year. Yaris struggled a bit for pace too (compared to how fast it is normally).

[EstWRC]

lol

https://scontent.fhen1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69175337_1149138978617771_3196023248152166400_o.jp g?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQnT8QO9YNMLa46Rgod_UNitSk2tl8YCcnstcTcEzii p6ZMQAOrWdLgWJF-na0OqLpU&_nc_ht=scontent.fhen1-1.fna&oh=c07362fe7edf15ae44b24b3d3bf1ea94&oe=5E136F07

[EstWRC]

Rare to see Ott crack a smile these last few years. I've not seen his film yet which I'd be interested to watch, as I'm sure it would give a good insight into the person.

heres a short clip of the movie just released now (because of the win) https://www.facebook.com/otttanakmovie/videos/2270800513232768/

in the behind the scenes photos i see a lot of pics with him smiling and etc, i think its just that he is so concentrated during the stages

[rallysupportnl]

Video WRC Rally Germany 2019!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM6dvTbxey8

[wia5958]

Imagine if they drove like this from the start. Not pushing for stage wins and avoiding mistakes.

IMO they should have been coached this way already 5-6 rallies ago.

Your only comment the whole rally and it couldn't even be a decent one

[T16]

heres a short clip of the movie just released now (because of the win) https://www.facebook.com/otttanakmovie/videos/2270800513232768/

in the behind the scenes photos i see a lot of pics with him smiling and etc, i think its just that he is so concentrated during the stages

They’re hardly going to make him look like a dick in his own movie.

[wrc2017]

It is incredible how poor the C3 is on asphalt these days. I think nobody has any objections if we say Ogier is one of the fastest if not the fastest asphalt drivers these days.

This year in Corsica and Germany, both strong events for him previously. He is driving 4-6th place pace all rally. Incredible.

Maybe Ogier is not as fast as he once was?

[wrc2017]

Rare to see Ott crack a smile these last few years. I've not seen his film yet which I'd be interested to watch, as I'm sure it would give a good insight into the person.

But his mood seems to have darkened the better he's performed.

Its an act.. Ice man

[wrc2017]

Your only comment the whole rally and it couldn't even be a decent one

'Meeke Bashing' is a virus.. Apparently there is no cure just yet. He's a bad case.

[Tarmop]

heres a short clip of the movie just released now (because of the win) https://www.facebook.com/otttanakmovie/videos/2270800513232768/

in the behind the scenes photos i see a lot of pics with him smiling and etc, i think its just that he is so concentrated during the stages

Who knows what is going on behind the scebe. Mexico for example, a solid 2nd...dead-serious Tänak. Afterwards it came out that he had just received a message from his wife saying they are in the hospital with their kid...

[Kradovech]

Guys, can you help me figure something out? What is the point of the final time control?

To me it seems silly to have something that can affect the results after the award ceremony. There may be mechanical problems which prevent drivers getting there in time or teams may simply use it to shuffle the standings around as has been the case several times. Why not end the rally at the finish line of power stage?

I can understand the nessecity of time controls and time penalties regarding it before stages - you need it to make sure everyone is at the start line at the correct time in correct order so the proper flow of the event can be quaranteed. Makes perfect sense. But what is so important about the final time control that it needs to dictate the rally results?

I have several unanswered questions in my mind about the rules since I started watching WRC in more detail last year, in the light of Rally germany I thought I would try and clear this one.

[denkimi]

Guys, can you help me figure something out? What is the point of the final time control?

To me it seems silly to have something that can affect the results after the award ceremony. There may be mechanical problems which prevent drivers getting there in time or teams may simply use it to shuffle the standings around as has been the case several times. Why not end the rally at the finish line of power stage?

I can understand the nessecity of time controls and time penalties regarding it before stages - you need it to make sure everyone is at the start line at the correct time in correct order so the proper flow of the event can be quaranteed. Makes perfect sense. But what is so important about the final time control that it needs to dictate the rally results?

I have several unanswered questions in my mind about the rules since I started watching WRC in more detail last year, in the light of Rally germany I thought I would try and clear this one.
The rally is not finished at the finish line of the power stage, it's finished when the car is in parc ferme.

[Kradovech]

The rally is not finished at the finish line of the power stage, it's finished when the car is in parc ferme.
Yes, I understand that. My question was why it is like that? Is it only historical reasons or is there something else?

[Jarek Z]

How about this photo? :)
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/503461/?entry=2356331

[Jarek Z]

Or do you prefer winery? :)
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/503459/?entry=2356331

[pantealex]

I didn´t see this one here
https://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2019/static/604/Stewards_Decision_5.pdf
Morten Østberg fighting with fire-mans...

[denkimi]

Yes, I understand that. My question was why it is like that? Is it only historical reasons or is there something else?
Because that's how rally works. It's always been like that. You start at the parc ferme and you finish there too so they can do final scrutineering.

[NielsH]

Got some pics:
https://www.rally-photo.net/2019-adac-rallye-deutschland-wrc/

https://www.rally-photo.net/wp-content/gallery/2019-adac-rallye-deutschland-wrc/IMG_4908a.JPG

https://www.rally-photo.net/wp-content/gallery/2019-adac-rallye-deutschland-wrc/IMG_4915a.JPG

https://www.rally-photo.net/wp-content/gallery/2019-adac-rallye-deutschland-wrc/IMG_5642a.JPG

[Pršljen]

Well, the fight for the WMC should be a great one. Adamo's calculations with the lineup vs the unstoppable Tanak and awakened Meeke and Latvala.

I can't see Ogier retaining the title, the C3 is just not the championhsip car. Turkey is a hasard for anyone and there is a cleaning effect, the same goes for Australia if the championship will be opened then at all. Half tarmac Spain will also cost Ogier a lot since C3 is a proven blunder on that surface. Not even close to being enough to come back from -40.

[AnttiL]

Yes, I understand that. My question was why it is like that? Is it only historical reasons or is there something else?

Well this is how rallies are arranged. The podium at the end of the power stage is a fake podium only for television. The results are always provisional at that point. Basically even the winner could still retire on the last road section.

Rally Sweden ends so close to the service park that they can show the actual podium on TV.