WRC ADAC Deutschland Rallye 2019

[Allez Andruet]

Nobody matching Kalle in RC2

Someone get this guy a WRC!

[Mirek]

Kreim also with good splits so far.

[er88]

Becs and Jon together has to be most annoying duo of the all the commentary teams.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Becs and Jon together has to be most annoying duo of the all the commentary teams.

Yep. I put the Spanish comms on !

[Mirek]

Exactly :D Since I understand maximum two Spanish sentences per day I also prefer the Spanish commentary...

Ogier +3,6 at first split already...

[GravelBen]

I don't mind Becs most of the time, but Jon should be gagged and left tied up in a cupboard until the stage is over.

[EstWRC]

Ogier +3.6 spl 1

[EstWRC]

it seems Neuville has got a big boost from that circuit racing weekend

[AnttiL]

Mikkelsen quicker than Ogier?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Suninen is out. :(

[er88]

Mikkelsen on faster pace on this one.

[Mise]

Mikkelsen faster than Ogier in split 2.

Edit: Should refresh before typing. lol

[dimviii]

M-Sport
@MSportLtd
·
1m
⚠️
A technical issue means @TeemuSuninenRac
and @fcdajamo
will go no further today. The team are heading out to collect the car, and will investigate what happened upon their return to the service park. #WRC #RallyGermany

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier will be fuming. He thought he could fight Tanak here.

[Rallyper]

That´s what most of us thought, as well.

[Ucci]

Ogier will be fuming. He thought he could fight Tanak here.

Fuc#** C3 crap....

[EstWRC]

a stall from Ogier

[Mirek]

From the helicopter one could see some high speed sliding from Ogier which could point out to massive understeering issue.

[er88]

Almost feel sorry for Seb having to fight that f*cking c3

[EstWRC]

what a shame that Citroen isnt working, seemed and i hoped the other way based on shakedown

[Indreq]

hehe cool comment from Neuville: whenever Ott wants to turn it up - he can, but we cant. :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WTF is wrong with AllLive here... its not even a remote place.

[er88]

Meeke again losing time towards end of stage

Edit - slide wide on gravel on a slow corner. Lost a few secs

[EstWRC]

everybody losing a lot after split2 and split 3

[Rallyper]

In the middle of westworlds most industrial and tech countries, yes. Should be better broadcast.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Love Lappi. :D

[GravelBen]

everybody losing a lot after split2 and split 3

Probably the road getting dirtier and dirtier won't be helping the later cars.

[AnttiL]

what a shame that Citroen isnt working, seemed and i hoped the other way based on shakedown

Shakedown was a different road type and character than these stages. It's more like Freisen and Römerstraße

[EstWRC]

Probably the road getting dirtier and dirtier.

yep, especially after split3 where this forest section starts i think (Antti can correct me ), Sordo lost 3 secs there at the moment

[doubled1978]

I’m pretty sure Meeke and Latvala are driving to a pace, not trying to go fast like in Finland....

[Sulland]

In the middle of westworlds most industrial and tech countries, yes. Should be better broadcast.

Satcom and trees/physical hinder on "line of site" makes the signal in 100+ km/t be disrupted.
Pure physics!

[jparker]

It seems Tanak pushed at the last split section. Many others loosing time there.

[er88]

Gus shouldn't be too hard on himself there. Not a bad time considering his experience and road position...

[AnttiL]

It seems Tanak pushed at the last split section. Many others loosing time there.

This is where the road is getting the most polluted

[RS]

Seems that Gryazin is taking things easy here after last weekend’s fun.

[drive]

Comms plain keeps doing rounds, but no clear signal
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECpTYnMUYAAWI3X?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Mise]

According to splits he isn't

[Rallyper]

Satcom and trees/physical hinder on "line of site" makes the signal in 100+ km/t be disrupted.
Pure physics!

Not even when cars are at the finish... At 0 kph...

[RS]

So what’s wrong with the new Fiesta? Before this rally guys said they had a problem on gravel but it would be ok here, but it’s not.

[AnttiL]

Seems that Gryazin is taking things easy here after last weekend’s fun.

Must have a problem to lose so much now

[RS]

Mads not doing too bad at all, for him on tarmac.

[RS]

Must have a problem to lose so much now

Puncture? He lost most time on one split.

[KKS]

I’m pretty sure Meeke and Latvala are driving to a pace, not trying to go fast like in Finland....
It's really sense approach. I wounder that this two crashers can take that way.

[Kalm]

Puncture? He lost most time on one split.

it was a puncture

https://www.facebook.com/taavi.koha/videos/2474994015872134/

[Sulland]

Feel for Camilli, he looks lost, understanding that this has commercial implications for Malcolm & Co.

Still sorting the car, but seems they have a bit to improve on the engine.

Lets see in Norwegian Championship where Mollys man, Grøndal will driva his new Mk2 on asphalt as his first rally this weekend.

[Francis44]

it was a puncture

https://www.facebook.com/taavi.koha/videos/2474994015872134/

Holy sh*t!!!!! Is this the car he crashed last weekend?! If it is damn, those guys work fast.

[EstWRC]

when was the last time that M-sport built a car that wasnt good out of the box ?

[AnttiL]

Holy sh*t!!!!! Is this the car he crashed last weekend?! If it is damn, those guys work fast.

no...another chassis

[MartijnS]

Mads had quite a moment at our spot!

https://www.facebook.com/rallymedia/videos/896157914093690/

[dimviii]

when was the last time that M-sport built a car that wasnt good out of the box ?

fiesta s 2000

[AnttiL]

Lets see in Norwegian Championship where Mollys man, Grøndal will driva his new Mk2 on asphalt as his first rally this weekend.

At least there's Veiby with Polo for comparison

[KKS]

Holy sh*t!!!!! Is this the car he crashed last weekend?! If it is damn, those guys work fast.
no that not exist anymore, he miss another round of ERC cuz of that crash

[KKS]

Mads had quite a moment at our spot!

https://www.facebook.com/rallymedia/videos/896157914093690/

Same rear axle behavior was on yesterday SS01. Looks like that C3R5 - complete shit

[Mirek]

Looks like that C3R5 - complete shit

And that's why Mads is setting times close to Kopecký and Lukyanuk was leading Barum last weekend with it, right?

[Rallyper]

At least there's Veiby with Polo for comparison

Comparison should be made on international rallies. But MW doesn´t even want proper drivers. So outcome thereafter.

I´m sure the car could be proved better if MW just understand what marketing is about.

[AnttiL]

I´m sure the car could be proved better if MW just understand what marketing is about.

= your local driver would get a drive ;)

[Francis44]

So will Ogier persevere with the C3 for one more season or will he retire right at the end of this year? I was expecting greats things for the team but obviously the car is a dud.

There is a saying: "What is born bent will never straighten in its life". Pretty consistent with the C3.

[Mirek]

Comparison should be made on international rallies. But MW doesn´t even want proper drivers. So outcome thereafter.

I´m sure the car could be proved better if MW just understand what marketing is about.

Suninen is not a proper driver for Estonia? Camilli is not a proper driver for Germany? Come on, Per...

[RS]

Comparison should be made on international rallies. But MW doesn´t even want proper drivers. So outcome thereafter.

I´m sure the car could be proved better if MW just understand what marketing is about.

So far Suninen, Katsura, Campedelli and Camilli drove that car with not so strong results. They’re not ‘proper drivers’?

[KKS]

And that's why Mads is setting times close to Kopecký and Lukyanuk was leading Barum last weekend with it, right?
5sec per stage it's close time? with pace 0.5sec/km out of leader it's good?
If Lukyianuk has a different car - it was for him much easier to have a good pace, cuz now he fighting with a car and stages. Same do Mads all year with that C3R5. Same do Leverbve all 2018. And now he driving a Polo. If C3 so nice car why all buy Polo and Fabia? )

[Mirek]

How do You know that Mads would be faster with other car? He has never been any benchmark of an asphalt driver.

Yes, Polo and Fabia are fast but saying that Citroën is crap based on asphalt performance of Mads is a bit too much.

[Rallyper]

= your local driver would get a drive ;)

Please. Stop that. I´m talking about Ford here. Not swedish drivers future. You have to separate those two topics.

[Rallyper]

Suninen is not a proper driver for Estonia? Camilli is not a proper driver for Germany? Come on, Per...

Nope. They are not.

[AnttiL]

Nope. They are not.

Who is then???

[erikli2]

Why can't the commentators shut the hell up for once and let us enjoy the onboards?

[Rallyper]

So far Suninen, Katsura, Campedelli and Camilli drove that car with not so strong results. They’re not ‘proper drivers’?

Proper drivers, maybe. But not the driver needed to market your car as the fastest.

[AnttiL]

Why can't the commentators shut the hell up for once and let us enjoy the onboards?

you can watch them afterwards on WRC+

[EstWRC]

Ott not completely satisfied with things

[erikli2]

you can watch them afterwards on WRC+

Sure, but when 80% of their talks aren't interesting it ruins the live coverage.

[Rallyper]

Who is then???

Others than those he hired. He could have had Breen, Paddon in WRC17 car. I hardly dare say Tidemand, but him also.

In R5 there are plenty.

[AnttiL]

This stage is mostly just flat out and square corners, not much chances to make a difference. Double pollution because everyone does two laps.

[AnttiL]

Others than those he hired. He could have had Breen, Paddon in WRC17 car. I hardly dare say Tidemand, but him also.

In R5 there are plenty.

What Breen and Paddon in a WRC17 car has to do with the performance of the R5 Fiesta?

[Mirek]

Proper drivers, maybe. But not the driver needed to market your car as the fastest.

Just admit that it's not the drivers what is wrong about this car and it's marketing strategy.

[EstWRC]

Ogier seems to be quite lost with the set-up, saying he knows whats wrong but doesnt know what to do, exactly like in Corsica

[Rallyper]

What Breen and Paddon in a WRC17 car has to do with the performance of the R5 Fiesta?

I´m talking initially of Malcolms marketing skills.

[EstWRC]

Neuville when seeing Otts time :D

lost only 1.5 but he is making such a deal out of it, cmon youre only 3.2 down from him

[Rallyper]

Just admit that it's not the drivers what is wrong about this car and it's marketing strategy.

Never said car isn´t a part of the problem. But then is even more important not to add extra problem hiring wrong drivers. Not even hiring I reccon... :)

[AnttiL]

I´m talking initially of Malcolms marketing skills.

We talk about the poor performance of the Fiesta R5 and you say


I´m sure the car could be proved better if MW just understand what marketing is about.

:confused:

[Mirek]

Never said car isn´t a part of the problem. But then is even more important not to add extra problem hiring wrong drivers. Not even hiring I reccon... :)

They have had the right drivers for Fiesta R5 in Estonia, Italy and Germany.

[EstWRC]

I´m talking initially of Malcolms marketing skills.

if theres a one guy in WRC paddock who knows what marketing is, then it is Malcolm Wilson.

[er88]

Pollution is clear in here. Times say everything, Jari thinks he has a good stage yet loses 6s in this type of stage.

[Mise]

Paali = Hay bale
Maali = finish

Was wondering why would Esuppi have "finish" in his notes in the middle of a stage. lol

[Rallyper]

We talk about the poor performance of the Fiesta R5 and you say



:confused:

Proved better than worse. Yes. Nothing else. Don´t mark word. Try to understand reasons behind is not about one issue.

[Rallyper]

if theres a one guy in WRC paddock who knows what marketing is, then it is Malcolm Wilson.

Seems not lately.

[Rallyper]

They have had the right drivers for Fiesta R5 in Estonia, Italy and Germany.

Why don´t you mention Finland?

[AnttiL]

Seems not lately.

What proves this? Better sales of Polo and Fabia?

[AnttiL]

What just happened? Kalle lost 12 seconds to Kopecky who went into the lead?

EDIT: Time fixed already

[Mise]

Did Rovanperä made a mistake at the end? Splits were almost equal to Kopecky and he managed to lose over 13 secs

[Rallyper]

What proves this? Better sales of Polo and Fabia?

Poor results.

[AnttiL]

Now Rovanperä's time was fixed

[AnttiL]

Poor results.

Good marketing wins rallies? I still fail to understand your point.

[Rallyper]

What just happened? Kalle lost 12 seconds to Kopecky who went into the lead?

Didn´t recognize any special. Think wrong timing.

[Rallyper]

Good marketing wins rallies? I still fail to understand your point.

Good results get good marketing. Essential. :)

[Mirek]

Why don´t you mention Finland?

Because they did not have proper drivers for Finland and that is one outing of four.

[Rallyper]

Because they did not have proper drivers for Finland and that is one outing of four.

Well, there we are. Maybe I´m counting Finland as well... :) ;)

[AnttiL]

Well, there we are. Maybe I´m counting Finland as well... :) ;)

So, who should have they had instead in Finland?

[Mise]

So, who should have they had instead in Finland?

Tanäk :D

[AnttiL]

Tanäk :D

Quite poor marketing skills not getting him!

[Rallyper]

Let´s sum up and leave it. We aint coming nowhere on this. We have a rally to follow.

Ford has big problems. Especially with R5 car. MW wants money from his drivers. Then he can´t get proper drivers maybe doing some better result, with still a car that hasn´t the speed.
Main point is for sure car isn´t good enough. Not yet.
MW had chances to gain better results if money wasn´t his most important goal. Now he could loose all, when Skoda and VW selling the more R5´s...

End of my discussion. Leave it here. You can go on if you want.
I´m taking a lunchbreak here. Coming back in the afternoon. so long. :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Awful morning for M-Sport except Greensmith on the last stage setting a decent time for a newbie...

[AnttiL]

EDIT: Continue the discussion here (https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?28327-R5-News&p=1227224&viewfull=1#post1227224)

[meh]

Can you just stop R5-good-bad-car-or-driver mess here? It's offtopic.

[meh]

Neuville when seeing Otts time :D

lost only 1.5 but he is making such a deal out of it, cmon youre only 3.2 down from him

https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/1164858505288986624

[Ucci]

They have had the right drivers for Fiesta R5 in Estonia, Italy and Germany.
Let's wait for next weekend-C.I.R Alpe Orientali with Simone Cempedelli behind new Fiesta R5. He should be a perfect benchmark.

[dimviii]

Sébastien Ogier
@SebOgier
·
11m
��️
"Unfortunately we didn't really solve the problem since Corsica. Basically the car is not turning, it's understeering far too much. We are trying many things but at the moment it's not responding like we would hope. Of course I'll keep pushing but it's difficult to do better"

[dimviii]

mistake of Lefebvre at ss 3.He lost 3 sec to Kalle at this stage
https://twitter.com/MKiviaho/status/1164865020343308288

[Portimao]

From what Meeke's saying he had some serious conversation with his boss and he knows his only Target is to get to the end and provide decent manufacturer points.

[KKS]

How do You know that Mads would be faster with other car? He has never been any benchmark of an asphalt driver.

Yes, Polo and Fabia are fast but saying that Citroën is crap based on asphalt performance of Mads is a bit too much.
we have de Mevius on same event and he even deeper. Lukianuk and Arai on ERC not shine too in ERC. And if you look to previous events. Mads every time complain about a car. Or it's not working properly, or it's complicate car issue. And it's not something new, same was in 2018 with Leferbve, but on that time i give some credit that car is new and need a time to make them more competitive.

Nearly same now happen with FiestaR5 Mk2. Camilli is fast driver especially on tarmac, but his pace with Mk2 so poor. I really hope that M-sport in few month can fix a car but seems it's not be happen. It's like C3WRC was build with issues and it so hard to improve in a years

[Rallyper]

Sébastien Ogier
@SebOgier
·
11m
��️
"Unfortunately we didn't really solve the problem since Corsica. Basically the car is not turning, it's understeering far too much. We are trying many things but at the moment it's not responding like we would hope. Of course I'll keep pushing but it's difficult to do better"

2 mm more toe-in...

and one click harder suspension on rear piggy.

[doubled1978]

From what Meeke's saying he had some serious conversation with his boss and he knows his only Target is to get to the end and provide decent manufacturer points.

I think that was pretty obvious from both his pace, and his demeanour at stage ends...you can just tell he isn’t happy driving to a pace. But so far he is doing what Toyota need, in touch to take advantage of any mistake from the top guys, but in front of Sordo & Mikkelsen.

[wia5958]

2 mm more toe-in...

and one click harder suspension on rear piggy.
Think it's more difficult than that per it's not a MK2 they setting up. Seems to be the problems are arising from the diff changes and other changes they made through the winter. Don't forget this car was undoubtly best tarmac car in 17/18 and with Ogier at the wheel on tarmac should be unbeatable but whatever compromise they have made to improve it on gravel has greatly affected it on tarmac

[EstWRC]

#RallyeDeutschland - #Tyre info - Day 1 afternoon

All the @Michelin @OfficialWRC drivers with 5 MICHELIN Pilot Sport H5 (Hard)

[Mirek]

Think it's more difficult than that per it's not a MK2 they setting up. Seems to be the problems are arising from the diff changes and other changes they made through the winter. Don't forget this car was undoubtly best tarmac car in 17/18 and with Ogier at the wheel on tarmac should be unbeatable but whatever compromise they have made to improve it on gravel has greatly affected it on tarmac

I always thought the asphalt car had little common with the gravel one (for example the front axle of the C3 is completely different for each surface).

[Rallyper]

Think it's more difficult than that per it's not a MK2 they setting up. Seems to be the problems are arising from the diff changes and other changes they made through the winter. Don't forget this car was undoubtly best tarmac car in 17/18 and with Ogier at the wheel on tarmac should be unbeatable but whatever compromise they have made to improve it on gravel has greatly affected it on tarmac

Of course I know that. Forgot to add :) on that one. However sometimes the easy way is the way forward. Technicians sometimes make things very complicated, when the solution still is in front of you...

[EstWRC]

Tänaks speed showing 0km/h on wrc plus but its a glitch

[Mise]

Ogier and Neuville faster than Tänak in first split

Edit: not first but second and third

[EstWRC]

Neuville really loves this stage, Ott next two ones

Ogier much better

E: this guy are like robots, exactly like in the morning with Thierry 1.6 quicker

[Mirek]

I don't watch the all live now. What Lappi did at the beginning of the stage?

[EstWRC]

I don't watch the all live now. What Lappi did at the beginning of the stage?

dont know yet, spin or stall i predict

[TypeR]

Lappi: I spun

[er88]

Lappi with a spin.

[dimviii]

Unfortunately, this morning, we had a bit of the same problems as during our last asphalt rally in Corsica," said Sébastien Ogier at the microphone of Olivier Gaspard, the RTBF's special correspondent in Germany. it's difficult to go faster now, I'm struggling, but it's complicated, the longer the stage, the weaker the grip, and the more the problem gets worse. on a shakedown of five kilometers where the grip was important, it was correct, but here, we have trouble, and the problems encountered in Corsica reappeared.It's been a while that we have pinpointed the problem, but we has still not found the answers, but we will continue to fight. "

[er88]

Good time by Meeke in relation to Latvala and Sordo. 2nd quickest through overall.

[Ucci]

Tanak: ''A clean run. No risk''. Guy is under no pressure, relax friday's afternoon drive, and loses (almost) nothing....what if he would push??

[Ucci]

And Mikkelsen: except SS4 losing app.0,5sec/km......so, nothing new for him...shame.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nasty scare for Mads.

[EstWRC]

wow, a spectator fell from a cliff and straight in front of Mads car, he was quite shocked, nearly killed him

[TypeR]

holy sh*t, it was even scary to listen that

Camilli had problems with cars, was stopped on liaison, but now running

[Rallyper]

wow, a guy fell from a cliff and straight in front of Mads car, he was quite shocked, nearly killed him

What!?

[Mirek]

Camilli had problems with cars, was stopped on liaison, but now running

When he finally had a good stage time.

[Rallyper]

When he finally had a good stage time.

Think it was confused timing getting a late check in...

And if it would have been me some 30 years ago, I´d drive like mad after such fail...

[Mirek]

Rovanperä so far in a league of his own.

[Rallyper]

Rovanperä so far in a league of his own.

Yeah. What can you say. Really good. So exciting to see what happens to him next year... ;)

[Ucci]

Yeah. What can you say. Really good. So exciting to see what happens to him next year... ;)

Hmmmm, Toyota Yaris WRC!!

[EstWRC]

this mittelmosel will be now the key stage, it got very polluted already on the first pass, especially after split 2

[Fast Eddie WRC]

They didnt show anything of Ostberg on that stage... must've been a scary view of the spectator near-miss.

[EstWRC]

lol exactly the same losses in first split as in the morning, exactly the same

[Augury]

Ogier whacked a haybale with the rear.

[EstWRC]

and quite a big hit

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Untidy from Ogier or the car playing up again.

[er88]

Ogier trying so hard to tame that French shitshow.

[EstWRC]

too bad Ogier lost so much in the morning, now the three showing exactly the same pace, awesome

Meeke also on their pace

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Much better pictures on WRC+ this afternoon and so much more enjoyable to watch. Shows it can be done.

[er88]

Latvala and Sordo coming back on Meeke

[EstWRC]

SOrdo as fast as Ott in splits

[er88]

Great battle for the lead, and a great battle for 3rd between 4drivers!

[EstWRC]

how wrong was I ? Latvala said the stage was in better condition than in the morning

so close times, great

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Greensmiths times are getting in the ball-park now. Pretty good for a rookie.

Wonder what Suninen could've done. Hopefully find out tomorrow.

[Mirek]

No split times after Kopecký?

[denkimi]

Hmmmm, Toyota Yaris WRC!!
That must be a terrible car, just look at katsuta's times. :p

[EstWRC]

almost a death moment https://twitter.com/RallyeSport/status/1164923763114336257?s=20

[er88]

almost a death moment https://twitter.com/RallyeSport/status/1164923763114336257?s=20So so lucky. Great reactions from Mads, but a split second later and the spectator was dead. Must still be hurt.

Hopefully it was just a really unfortunate fall and not because of being too drunk or the like....

[dimviii]

Rigostyle video
https://youtu.be/0Q9AKkrLRmw

[Mirek]

That's one boring stage :\\

[Rallyper]

Ogier late to TC?

Edit: WRC+ can´t put in right order....

[EstWRC]

Ogier into the field

[er88]

Head up Seb, the car is just flawed. He's trying his absolute max to get every last ounce out of it.

[EstWRC]

nothing tho choose between Tänak and Neuville here....very close gaps like in finland

tomorro is a massive long and difficult day, whoever comes out without puncture from long panzerplatte is a winner

[er88]

Lol Meeke hates that stage. Rubbish time and he described it well.

[er88]

Hyundai fucked. Sordo in trouble

[Mirek]

Sordo with big technical problems...

[Rallyper]

gearbox issue...?

[Mirek]

Only first gear...

[EstWRC]

what a rotten luck, only some kms left


feel sorry for him

[Mirek]

Hopefully he can crawl to the service.

[er88]

Toyota got a chance here for decent pts.

Let one of Meeke/Jari push and try and hunt down Ogier tomorrow, while the other takes no risks and keeps it ultra safe? Or will both just be ordered to play it safe now Sordo/Mikkelsen are behind?

[Rallyper]

No more splits for rest of the field?

[Mirek]

They are not yet on stage. Same gap as on the previous one.

[cali]

Yet another legendary Adamo interview :D

[er88]

Yet another legendary Adamo interview :DNice hug after it :D

[Tarmop]

That must be a terrible car, just look at katsuta's times. :p

You mean the one that drives itself???:D

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/3iIcKq0U3Hk

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice end to the day by Greensmith, 5th best time equal with Ogier.

Really happy for him to see the progress after a very soild day.

[wrc2017]

Lol Meeke hates that stage. Rubbish time and he described it well.
Meeke dropped almost 10s in that stage run twice..

[EstWRC]

https://youtu.be/UNPXeT01Di4

[EstWRC]

Tänak onboard of ss4 https://youtu.be/7d-1X88rmXo

[hari]

Some images from today: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_adac_rallye_deutschland_2019.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland3/1.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland3/2.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland3/3.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland3/8.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland3/17.jpg

[janvanvurpa]

Some images from today: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_adac_rallye_deutschland_2019.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland3/1.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland3/2.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland3/3.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland3/8.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschland3/17.jpg


Such nice landscape..Looks like wonderful summer weather..

[Jarek Z]

Such nice landscape..Looks like wonderful summer weather..

Yes, a perfect weekend - full summer, beautiful weather, vineyards and a rally :)

[AnttiL]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECraSq1WwAIj5_d?format=jpg&name=medium

Finnish rally reporter showing the condition of Panzerplatte

[EstWRC]

This isn’t normal, like I said. Whoever comes out there without puncture is a winner

Lottery tomorrow

[Mirek]

And I thought that Barum was rough...

[Tauri_J]

https://www.adac-rallye-deutschland.de/docs/wrc/2019/static/604/Start_List_Section_4.pdf

Start list for saturday

[denkimi]

Tänak onboard of ss4 https://youtu.be/7d-1X88rmXo
Far from perfect, corrections for oversteer everywhere.
Yet, the fastest off them all.

[Indreq]

One Estonian reporter asked Ott why is his lead over Neuville so small at the end of day - Ott was clearly amused by stupidity of the question and responded that not all rallies can be decided on 1st day and obviously other drivers also can drive fast.

That said - Thierry is somewhat anomaly, rest of the pack are 20+ secs behind already, something we are not surprised to see this year. Seems that changed rear wing of Yaris did not change the balance of things much.

[dimviii]

This isn’t normal, like I said. Whoever comes out there without puncture is a winner

Lottery tomorrow

lets hope that these are some small parts,that they will have at their notes.

[Mise]

https://youtu.be/UNPXeT01Di4

Could somebody making these vids tell me why they are edited like this.
Why can't it be like:
first place showing all cars
Second place showing all cars

Very hard to compare the lines when the first place in vid is showed again after
26 cars from 15 different places?

[wrc2017]

Far from perfect, corrections for oversteer everywhere.
Yet, the fastest off them all.

thats called trying hard.

[Jarek Z]

Could somebody making these vids tell me why they are edited like this.
Why can't it be like:
first place showing all cars
Second place showing all cars

Very hard to compare the lines when the first place in vid is showed again after
26 cars from 15 different places?

I guess someone wanted to make this video more interesting. Seeing the same corner 20 times in a row can be too boring for a normal viewer.

[EstWRC]

Far from perfect, corrections for oversteer everywhere.
Yet, the fastest off them all.

Well no surprise because he said after morning loop he had understeer. Although you mention oversteer

Anyway, he wasn’t satisfied with the morning loop

[AnttiL]

Why can't it be like:
first place showing all cars
Second place showing all cars

Very hard to compare the lines when the first place in vid is showed again after
26 cars from 15 different places?

This.

The explanation I've heard that the shuffle-edited videos get more views, and that all the best shots must be in the beginning of the video.

[stefanvv]

One Estonian reporter asked Ott why is his lead over Neuville so small at the end of day - Ott was clearly amused by stupidity of the question and responded that not all rallies can be decided on 1st day and obviously other drivers also can drive fast.

That said - Thierry is somewhat anomaly, rest of the pack are 20+ secs behind already, something we are not surprised to see this year. Seems that changed rear wing of Yaris did not change the balance of things much.

Neuville & Hyundai are suited really well for this rally. They should be happy that Tanak is even leading.

[Integrale]

I didn't see it mentioned here or in the highlights, but Ogier had a pretty heavy touch with a haybale when he slid wide. This was in the forest at the end of Mittelmosel 2.

Very nice rally to follow. Neuville and Tanak both impressive and committed in the fast sections. Tanak - or the Toyota - very nimble, clean start-stop driving is what gets him those tens of seconds.

[Mirek]

This.

The explanation I've heard that the shuffle-edited videos get more views, and that all the best shots must be in the beginning of the video.

The point is that for every one geek who uses the video for analytical purposes there is like thousand others who just want to enjoy some fun watching it.

[Zeakiwi2]

How much of the Panzerplatte stage is in poor condition ( as shown by the Finn reporter)? Would the organisers have been better to run the 'virtual chicanes' through the broken 'concrete' sections?
IMO consider an organisational fail to run the stage like that. Guess summer NATO tank training has caused the damage and the military does not want to fix it and the organisers don't want to pay to repair the track?
The 'virtual chicanes' can be run through the rough or too fast sections with RallySafe and road cones marking the start/ end of the sections.

Teams will be fuming if their rally is ruined by lumpy concrete on what is supposed to be a hard surface event.

[er88]

Will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Remember in corsica all the drivers were very concerned about the gravel section on one stage, where only half the road had been finished with tarmac. In reality it wasn't an issue at all.

Could be the case here where everyone thinks punctures will effect at least 4/5/6 of the top 10 or so, but in reality everyone is extra alert and has marked the worst spots in their notes to drive around/avoid.

Or..., a lot of the road really is as bad as stated/shown, and it's an absolute demolition out there and a total lottery which nobody wants.

Remains to be seen whether drivers will drive at current full pace or back off and play it sensible, hoping others slip up.

[Rally Power]

No chance to follow the rally today but from the results and some comments here it seems the C3 is preventing Ogier to match Tanak and Neuville brilliant pace; hope that tomorrow some tech miracle will allow the French to get closer to the lead, keeping the title figth as open as possible. Incredible job from Rovanpera in WRC2 and a big disappointment from the Fiesta Mk2 R5; those having doubts about the car performance were, regrettably, right.

[SubaruNorway]

This.

The explanation I've heard that the shuffle-edited videos get more views, and that all the best shots must be in the beginning of the video.

Important to get the first 5 min really good as that's the average watch time usually, you can go from a few thousands on a stage by stage video to a few hundred thousand or even millions on a shuffle video. That's why :)

[Munkvy]

It will be interesting to see what Sordo can do with a better start position, not that he is in contention for anything now sadly. Same with Gus with that start order he has the best chance of showing his ability.

[EstWRC]

Morning guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udG3B-LfYQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxIQKTTJlaw

[stefanvv]

Morning, long day ahead, the beer is in the fridge, bring on

[stefanvv]

Suninen's pace seems to be good

[EstWRC]

Yep, Sordo not much fater

Gus is stopped

E: puncture

[EstWRC]

Latvala slow in first split. Sordo was flyin on those stages last year too

[stefanvv]

Doesn't look good for c3 today either

[EstWRC]

now Meeke has lost a lot between spli1 and split 2

[stefanvv]

quite surprising times for later, doesn't seem to be much dirt on the road and it should get warmer.

[EstWRC]

and the tight battle continues

[AnttiL]

ewrc says Greensmith hit a tree, any info on that?

[EstWRC]

Rovanpera slid off

[AnttiL]

Oh damn kalle

[stefanvv]

that's trouble

[EstWRC]

cmon where are spectators ?

[TypeR]

the car has to be stuck on some kind of stump or smth

[stefanvv]

the worst time to get out for Ostberg

[EstWRC]

that was an amatur hour from the marshall stopping Mads

[KKS]

Oh such idiots marshals and spects

[KKS]

Mads should be given a Kopecky time

[stefanvv]

sloppy from the marshals indeed

[AnttiL]

When Kopecky passed the spectators with tow rope almost got run over. Then Mads was stopped completely...was the stage red flagged?

[KKS]

Mads should be given a Kopecky time
even Kopecky lost ~8sec on that place. notional time should be less than 9min

[MartijnS]

Everybody still passes in the speed limiter here so I guess not ;)

[dimviii]

rallye chrono video day 2
https://youtu.be/66KEJRz9ZCs

[dimviii]

Ciamin fantastic so far.

[dimviii]

Eric, the day was not easy for you, with probably a lot of disappointment at home.

"It's a little hard, I admit. Mentally, it's not easy because we have the habit of fighting in front. The competition is tough and we see that we are not yet in time. Once in Finland, it's ok, but here again, especially here, where we used to play in front, it's a bit frustrating. We must also know how to adapt and work. We do not despair, we give the maximum. We are gradually reducing the gap. I found stuff, I understood things about the engine and the differentials. I also attacked more. To roll to 3 tenths, I'm at 115% and as Benji told me, I do not really want to continue like this. We must be honest, we take on ourselves. The bottom line is that I hope it does not hurt our image. It's never very good to be behind but people do not realize how fast things are going. We regained confidence this afternoon, I saw that I could still transcend myself. It had been a long time since I had done this kind of special. At least that makes us progress and we know that if we have to jump into a WRC, we will be ready to give everything. "
In Corsica, you were largely ahead with the Polo in WRC-2, and there you are fighting for a top 8 in R5. How do you live that?

"We have to adapt to the situation. M-Sport gives us the means to be here and we must know how to stay positive. Others are in front but have to pay. We are official, so we do not have to complain, and do our best to make the car better and meet the goals. And here we are on the right track, I'm happy. "

You must be satisfied with your time in the SS6 (5th time of the R5)

"Yes, it's the one I remember, especially in a legendary chrono like Mittelmosel. We lose 6s on Rovanperä in 22 km, so I think it's not bad. With the differences in development between cars, I think it's a good overall performance. Frankly, we did a great special, but it was very hot. We saw 2-3 trees, it was hot (laughs). "

I take this opportunity to thank all the people who support us and who understand that auto sport is not just a time sheet, but also a story of men and mechanics. We can not always be ahead, there is a lot of competition, some cars are nascent, others are already born. Time takes time. We see that in 1 month, we still went from 1s to 3 tenths per kilometer. After that, it's sure that when I see the VW in front, a car that I developed, it's hard. But we are progressing. "

https://www.rallye-sport.fr/camilli-on-ne-desespere-pas/

[Mirek]

Greensmith starting late, he was repairing something related to the steering on the road section (steering rod replacement?).

[EstWRC]

Great stage from Lappi

[AnttiL]

Lappi got like 1,5 seconds at the last split

[EstWRC]

very nice fast stage this, basically no cuttin at all

[Mirek]

Rovanperä was in a ditch but continues.

[EstWRC]

Lappi has been just mighty on the last sector, took 0.6 out of Tänak


E: Rovanpera off again and back on the road

[er88]

Kalle having a shocker today. Utter shocker

[tomhlord]

Kalle off in the famous ditch, the jump where the side road joins the main road I think. Will be all over YouTube later I'm sure.

[AnttiL]

Ott's lead was extended heavily because of Neuville's stalling

[dimviii]

Kopecky a bit harsch at his comments about Rovanpera? (he was reffering about the previous stage,without knowing that he was again of road))

Sat 09:49 - SS9: Kopecky
Jan leads the WRC 2 Pro category now following Rovanpera's misfortune. -23.0s faster than his teammate here. "I think Kalle was going over the limit. It is very close to make a mistake and he is very lucky that he could continue. It's good for him because he can gain some experience."

[er88]

Reckon Sordo will catch and pass Mikkelsen today at this rate despite his time loss yesterday.

[dimviii]

Meeke

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECuEOO2XUAAnw08?format=jpg&name=large

[Mirek]

Kopecky a bit harsch at his comments about Rovanpera? (he was reffering about the previous stage,without knowing that he was again of road))

Sat 09:49 - SS9: Kopecky
Jan leads the WRC 2 Pro category now following Rovanpera's misfortune. -23.0s faster than his teammate here. "I think Kalle was going over the limit. It is very close to make a mistake and he is very lucky that he could continue. It's good for him because he can gain some experience."

The tone of the interview was not harsh at all. At first place it would help if the reporters didn't keep asking him about Kalle all the time.

[EstWRC]

Ott's lead was extended heavily because of Neuville's stalling

Neuville Thierry - Gilsoul Nicolas

"I was at a junction and I was late on the brakes and stalled a little bit. I struggled to restart the engine as a fuse was gone and we lost a lot of time."


but he actually took 0.8 back from Ott after that, he was 6secs down in split 2 but in the end 5.2.

[KKS]

Latvala should sort out his feeling/confidence before afternoon Panzerplate, cuz he might lost a lot of time there with unconfident drive

PS Only I worried about sentence "Meeke on Panzerplate"?

[meh]

Latvala should sort out his feeling/confidence before afternoon Panzerplate, cuz he might lost a lot of time there with unconfident drive

PS Only I worried about sentence "Meeke on Panzerplate"?

Anything can happen and Panzerplate is lottery anyway. At the moment seems that Meeke is doing the job he is asked to do without taking any stupid risks.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice return by Suninen being 2nd & 3rd fastest on the opening stages. Such a pity about the car issue yesterday. At least he's now shown the Ford Performance guys its still a quick car.

[meh]

Ott's lead was extended heavily because of Neuville's stalling

Compared to 1.5 sec 6.7 sec is huge but it does not change anything. You are not going to back-off because of this lead.

[EstWRC]

Latvala should sort out his feeling/confidence before afternoon Panzerplate, cuz he might lost a lot of time there with unconfident drive

PS Only I worried about sentence "Meeke on Panzerplate"?

im worried about everybody, i dont want anyone having troubles there

[er88]

In the long stage it'd be great if WRC+ could focus on the top 2/3/4 in the stage for the most part. Instead of just seeing everyone in order where you get a couple of minutes focused on the lead drivers at the end of the stage.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECuKhkHWkAU4RF6?format=jpg&name=small

[dimviii]

Kreim with good times today,very close to leading French polos

[dimviii]

Rovanpera mistake
https://youtu.be/Zd0QD4qG-zs

Neuville stall
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2503569603022824

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Kalle Rovanpera
@KalleRovanpera

Another rookie mistake. Really sorry for the team that I messed up our 1-2. :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Bail-bashing...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECuCjxuXsAARlqQ?format=jpg&name=large