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Crazy J
23rd January 2019, 11:32
While waiting Monte to start, what you think about the current WRC drivers as characters? Are they interesting to follow and hear what they have to say? I had some extra time to wrote my current feelings on below. This is of course very subjective matter, so don't take any hard feelings from these opinions, but hopefully this will create some discussion :)

Driver character rating +++
Tanak, the current golden god of rallying. Has courage for sharp comments and big promises and has balls and skills to even surpass the expectations in stages after that. He is crazy fast but still on road while not in the air. Reminds me about Maximum Attack on his best days. Tanak is an example of how successful rally driver can behave and what kind of (inter)national fan movement they can create. Yet he keeps some shield on every now and then. Could team with Martin, who is alike.

Loeb, when his domination made WRC became close to destruction he was a much hated, now everyone loves Loeb’s rockstar like rough charisma, wants to see him back and back winning. Old super stars who have courage to comeback are the extremely popular, also because often being more funny, relaxed and honest, being more real person than in younger. Still Loeb shows his raw speed in stages. Danos is currently maybe the most interesting character to follow in WRC, he would have huge marketing potential.

Neuville, has more spice than many of the “basic driver products” both on and off the stage. Clearly he is not feeling that he has to behave certain way, but instead he is showing character, emotions bold comments and cat like skills from whole range. He is always on hunt which makes him liked. Neuville is showing that being serious in WRC title chase doesn’t meant that you have to be boring and predictable.

Gronholm, a bit same category as Loeb. Gronholm is known of being impulsive and giving sharp comments, untypical Finn, a bit Alen like. Everyone wants to see the duel of Loeb and Gronholm and these are the unique opportunities in WRC history that WRC+ should catch and document. What a pity that we are missing the Mr. Hollywood from this party.

Bertelli and Block. Guest stars with different fan following. Important characters for WRC also as a business. Often spectacular on and off the stages and they know, they are there to make the show, having fun and enjoying, still to be fast. They can be what they want and they don’t have to behave correctly dull in front of media just to follow some brand guidelines in comments. WRC needs more of free artists like them.

Ostberg, together with his codriver Torstein, they are interesting persons to follow. Mads seems to be very approachable, open and honest character with interesting continuous struggle to establish himself in WRC with respect. Known and liked for very spectacular old school driving style and funny commenting. Add just H.Solberg to this soup and they are even more “media-friendly” for real.

Latvala. Twisted character mainly known for driving mistakes and nervous breakdowns desperately hunting for some success and respect. Used to keep so strong shield that interviews started to be weirdly fun to follow. Has dumped the mental mentors and new girlfriend has encouraged to express his true feelings in last season? Rumour says he wants to adapt Tanak’s setup style in this year. Anyway, true rally fun himself.

Driver character rating ++
Meeke, unique combination in many ways. Character that has technical & analytical mode, outspoken mode, “basic driver product” mode, crazy driving mode, etc. As being sometimes unpredictable on and off the stage, he could be interesting to follow, but often drops just to “media-mode”. Probably will be more relaxed in this year if feels welcome in Toyota.

Lappi. Use to be very fun and fast in the past. Now he has turned to Gardemeisterish soft, sometimes patheticly unambitious , always whining and having poor performances on stages > No guts no glory! Of course in itself this change has made him as more interesting person compared to many others. And combined that his co-driver Ferm is one of the most funny characters in the series, WRC should follow more of Janne instead.

Al Qassimi and Serderidis. As Bertelli and Block, it is always interesting for followers to see different guest stars on events that present untypical background for WRC driver compared to “basic driver product”. These type of drivers are often very honest, approachable, fun and real as not having any shield on. Naturally it would be interesting to see more Lara Vanneste.

Ogier, used to be more of a dull “basic driver product” but has raised his character rating in past years. Known for continuous whining and super fast but consistent driving. Has started to collect more respect and sympathies from fans all over after changing to M-Sport and continuing with Citroen. Has opened up himself as a person, but is still not as colourful as some of the drivers. Plus points from interesting wife.

Breen. Might be more interesting character than drivers listed below as being more open, honest and unpredictable in stages. It is easy to detect the mood changes from Breen often not keeping the shield on.

Driver character rating +
Mikkelsen, Tidemand, Paddon, Evans. Would rate this group as a “basic driver products” that whose characters present restrained predictable neutral WRC driver. It could be called professionalism in some barometer, but does it really give much to people following rallying or potential sponsors? Is the sponsorship value counted on how quickly you put your RB cap on after stage and how correct comments you give or what you would really like to say or nothing at all? Mikkelsen’s difference to others in this group is that he is always smiling, wears full face helmet and his performance on stage varies more. There is certainly nothing wrong in this (or any) group, since they are what they are, great drivers indeed.

Driver character rating -
Suninen, what can you say about driver who always looks statically unhappy and whose input is mainly “I need to improve my driving” x number of driven SS on 2018. Well, at least that is being honest. Of course someone could interpret his static commenting and behaving as an interesting character as well.

Often co-drivers are more interesting characters to follow that drivers, since co-driver can be and behave more real on and off the events and social media.

N.O.T
23rd January 2019, 13:02
go back to F1 and stay there...

racerx1979
23rd January 2019, 13:30
Lol I was waiting for NOT to respond to this thread...

RAS007
23rd January 2019, 13:46
Oh dear.

Rally Power
23rd January 2019, 14:13
go back to F1 and stay there...

Or to Formula E; fan boost vote was already included on that electric racing farce...

In Rally we'll keep using the best character rating available: stage times!

stefanvv
23rd January 2019, 14:29
Funny thread, but someone should delete it.

Crazy J
23rd January 2019, 14:59
Well, if someone from above did not understand, this thread is not about the fastest driver (there is other topics from that). Ultimately rallying is interesting because of other dimensions included. If only the fastest stage times would matter, rally could be as well driven with drivers being anonymous and everyone would present UN. Many times respect from audience comes because the driver character as a whole. Often from the most respected drivers there are books and documentaries made, etc. Those would probably not being made if the driver would be total shithead or fast but just too dull character. If you are not up to proper comments you can leave the personal recommendations and other type of troll replies just not posted.

N.O.T
23rd January 2019, 15:16
which part of the "go way" you fail to understand kid ?

if you want to talk about personalities and hair products drivers use go to F1 where all the cool girls hang out.

pantealex
23rd January 2019, 15:20
Al-Qassimi and Bertelli more inresting than Suninen? LOL

Suninen is great character ;)

tommeke_B
23rd January 2019, 15:20
Ogier... Plus points from interesting wife.

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AnttiL
23rd January 2019, 15:37
I don't want to get into this discussion, but if you want to know more about Teemu Suninen and his personality, watch this youtube-documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI4LOGjImd8

Crazy J
23rd January 2019, 15:45
Sometimes there might be a relation between driver's nationality and audience nationality, how interesting audience finds some particular driver, but I could believe in most cases it is not defining. In Finland Suninen could be higherly rated character than Al-Qassimi or Bertelli. Then if you ask from Italians or UAE it might be the different case, but who knows. Yet drivers who aren't driving full season are often without pressure to behave according to team instructions, and because of the costs of WRC these drivers nowadays often present something different. These might increase WRC interest also in other groups than just hardcore rally fans (with some of them naturally included) and that is why it would be important for WRC to give some screen time and interviews for them as well.

dupanton
23rd January 2019, 15:56
I think this thread is made only to annoy NOT

dimviii
23rd January 2019, 16:07
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Norm75
23rd January 2019, 16:43
Awaiting crazy j's follow up thread, which dwilf* do you rate the most (*drivers wife I'd like to . . . )

Rally Power
23rd January 2019, 17:07
Well, if someone from above did not understand, this thread is not about the fastest driver (there is other topics from that). Ultimately rallying is interesting because of other dimensions included. If only the fastest stage times would matter, rally could be as well driven with drivers being anonymous and everyone would present UN. Many times respect from audience comes because the driver character as a whole. Often from the most respected drivers there are books and documentaries made, etc. Those would probably not being made if the driver would be total shithead or fast but just too dull character. (...)

Sorry mate, but you’ve completely missed the rally spirit. In our sport drivers popularity cames from the magic moments they provide behind the whell of a car on a rally road. No one really cares about their PR skills in front of a camera or a microphone. Once they’ve proved to be talented, brave and fast on a SS they will always be respected by the fans, no matter how dull they may look on an interview.


PS: who’s the blondie, dimviii?

dimviii
23rd January 2019, 17:23
PS: who’s the blondie, dimviii?

Latvalas wife.

stefanvv
23rd January 2019, 17:30
I wish it's Thursday night already.

Crazy J
23rd January 2019, 17:52
Sorry mate, but you’ve completely missed the rally spirit. In our sport drivers popularity cames from the magic moments they provide behind the whell of a car on a rally road. No one really cares about their PR skills in front of a camera or a microphone. Once they’ve proved to be talented, brave and fast on a SS they will always be respected by the fans, no matter how dull they may look on an interview.

Following may sound provocative but that is not the purpose: If in the other words you would be saying that in your opinion, mainly driver input inside the car matters to drivers popularity, then let say that when having equally good drivers - does it matter who the driver is? For example would you be as satisfied whom wins, or would rallying become less interesting if drivers would be anonymous or driven by AI as long as rally driving would remain spectacular? I believe for many the same factors are highly important as what you mentioned, the priority in tight competition and brave driving, but e.g. when you have multiple equally spectacular drivers, people start to have favourites where distinction between the drivers is made from drivers actions, presence and character outside of the car. For sure if you are absolutely the best in car then it matters less what you are outside of the car, except financial side.

Rally Power
23rd January 2019, 18:01
Latvalas wife.

Wow…no wonder he’s always trying to get home sooner! Just kidding…he’s a fantastic driver; fingers crossed for him on MC!

pantealex
23rd January 2019, 18:55
Latvalas wife.

GF actually not wife.