Wales Rally GB

[T16]

OK,

I'm happy to kick this one off.... Just under a month to go and we're in for a proper, flat-out rally, given it's position on the calendar and the way the championship it hotting up.
I'm going to travel down from the north east on Thursday night and spectate Friday and Saturday. Can't wait., should be epic.

One negative point though.... how come they are charging £28 for a ticket for Thursday, when there is only one stage, yet Sunday has five stages and they are charging £23?

Enjoy if you go!

T16.

[Simmi]

OK,

I'm happy to kick this one off.... Just under a month to go and we're in for a proper, flat-out rally, given it's position on the calendar and the way the championship it hotting up.
I'm going to travel down from the north east on Thursday night and spectate Friday and Saturday. Can't wait., should be epic.

One negative point though.... how come they are charging £28 for a ticket for Thursday, when there is only one stage, yet Sunday has five stages and they are charging £23?

Enjoy if you go!

T16.

Does that Thursday ticket also get you into Shakedown? I didn't do Tir Prince last year but a few friends who did absolutely slated it.

You can spectate the Orme for free on Sunday which is possibly why they've reduced that price?


The big question is whether we get any interesting entries. Seems to be less and less the case these days and I'm not holding out much hope for Meeke.

[T16]

Does that Thursday ticket also get you into Shakedown? I didn't do Tir Prince last year but a few friends who did absolutely slated it.

You can spectate the Orme for free on Sunday which is possibly why they've reduced that price?


The big question is whether we get any interesting entries. Seems to be less and less the case these days and I'm not holding out much hope for Meeke.


Yeah, it gets you into both, but I'm hoping it's just a pricing error, thought I doubt it. I find it completely shocking to be honest... I thought they were trying to get more people into the sport.

Can't imagine Meeke will get an entry, but again, I very much hope I am wrong. Eddie seems to be convinced that he is still contracted to Citroen, so I guess that will squash any chances he has. It would be nice to think another team brought him into play from a tactical point-of-view, given his experience. Shame.

[AnttiL]

Would be probably a good idea to edit the year into the topic title.

The route is interesting, with a lot of tarmac sections and roads that haven't been used before, at least in years.

[T16]

[QUOTE=AnttiL;1190563]Would be probably a good idea to edit the year into the topic title.

Thanks and good idea, but I can't see how to... any ideas?

[MrJan]

Also heading up on the Thursday night and watching Friday/Saturday before heading back south. Can't be hassled with driving from the Sweet Lamb area back up towards Brenig, only to give myself a longer drive home on Sunday evening.

Still not picked what stages I'm going to but will probably head for car parks and sleep in the van rather than go for the 2 footed discount.

[T16]

Also heading up on the Thursday night and watching Friday/Saturday before heading back south. Can't be hassled with driving from the Sweet Lamb area back up towards Brenig, only to give myself a longer drive home on Sunday evening.

Still not picked what stages I'm going to but will probably head for car parks and sleep in the van rather than go for the 2 footed discount.

I too am planning on sleeping in the van... did you know they are charging a tenner for anyone sleeping overnight?

[MrJan]

I too am planning on sleeping in the van... did you know they are charging a tenner for anyone sleeping overnight?

No? In that case, f**k 'em and I'll apply the 2 foot discount...unless anyone knows of a code like the Toyota one last year that got 50% off.

[dimviii]

Good news! The speed that credited @NilSolans during the @ADACRallye, where he came to fight for the leadership of #WRC 2, has had his reward. @MSportLtd and @pirellisport have decided to enroll @WalesRallyGB him in, where he debuts with him as a co-pilot @MarcMartiWRC.

https://twitter.com/RallyTeamSpain/status/1037320311476285440

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map is out ► http://bit.ly/2rc9vjd

[hype]

Looking forward to this one, my first visit to Wales Rally GB :-)
Can I buy the rally pass on-site or should I order it online?

[T16]

Looking forward to this one, my first visit to Wales Rally GB :-)
Can I buy the rally pass on-site or should I order it online?

If it's the main world rally pass, that covers all the days, you need to get it online. I also think it is the same for the day passes, but you can say at individual stages on the gate.

[Simmi]

The now traditional press release about the entry list that doesn't actually include the entry list is out - http://walesrallygb.com/news/4230.php#.W5erW5MlNE5

[er88]

Is the shakedown stage being run in the rally yeah? Or is it a different route within the same forest complex?

[AnttiL]

Is the shakedown stage being run in the rally yeah? Or is it a different route within the same forest complex?

It's almost the same, with just a little deviation and obviously a lot cut from the start. The SS2 route is what has usually been the shakedown deviation and vice versa.

https://www.rally-maps.com/Wales-Rally-GB-2018/Shakedown-Clocaenog (go to "related stages" and click the 2018 Clocaenog to compare them).

[jbmarcus21]

Entrylist revealed with 60 crews (include 11 WRC + 14R5) .. Also Google Earth Map is available ► http://bit.ly/2rc9vjd

[er88]

Entrylist revealed with 60 crews (include 11 WRC + 14R5) .. Also Google Earth Map is available http://bit.ly/2rc9vjd24 R5 actually.

[AnttiL]

Camilli back with M-Sport...

[AnttiL]

My route preview https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.com/2018/09/17/route-preview-wales-rally-gb-2018/

- A lot of new sections
- Only one stage (Myherin) run like last year
- Less liaisons (more stages in North, only one non-service leg to Mid Wales)
- A considerable amount of tarmac roads
- Interesting road combinations

For the third WRC event in a row, I can provide onboards gathered from local rallies to preview new sections of the rally.

[wwbroe]

My route preview https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.com/2018/09/17/route-preview-wales-rally-gb-2018/

- A lot of new sections
- Only one stage (Myherin) run like last year
- Less liaisons (more stages in North, only one non-service leg to Mid Wales)
- A considerable amount of tarmac roads
- Interesting road combinations

For the third WRC event in a row, I can provide onboards gathered from local rallies to preview new sections of the rally.

As usual, you made nice job Anttil, please continu doing this kind of preview.https://www.motorsportforums.com/images/icons/icon14.png

[dodge33cymru]

Entry list feels a little disappointing compared to previous years somehow. R5 fight has no-one capable of taking it to Skodas.

Good to see Chris Ingram and Tom Cave in there at least.

[er88]

Brilliant work AnttiL. Thanks

[Sulland]

Veiby in C3 in wales?
https://www.ewrc-results.com/cars/82-citroen-c3-r5/

or will he drive a Fabia, as the entrylist says?

[mknight]

Veiby in C3 in wales?
https://www.ewrc-results.com/cars/82-citroen-c3-r5/

or will he drive a Fabia, as the entrylist says?

Some rumors about getting kicked from Skoda.

EDIT: Looks like it's true. For taking pictures of a new car model in restricted area and posting it on instagram. Kinda sounds a bit like an excuse given his results.

[T16]

Just trying to plan some points to watch at. Can anyone tell me which stage and car park I need to get to the point at 25s into this clip? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyfXUJyOZKo&feature=youtu.be

Many thanks for any help.

[er88]

Just trying to plan some points to watch at. Can anyone tell me which stage and car park I need to get to the point at 25s into this clip? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyfXUJyOZKo&feature=youtu.be

Many thanks for any help.That super fast section is in Aberhirnant. That stage isn't being run in the rally this year.

[T16]

That super fast section is in Aberhirnant. That stage isn't being run in the rally this year.

Ah, ok... I thought that might be the case. I stood at the end of a straight in Hafren last year where they took the left hander on the limiter and it was ridiculously fast.... they’ve cut that section for this year... gutted.

Can anyone recommend any super fast sections/ corners worth watching this year?

Thanks.

[jbmarcus21]

Power Stage in #WalesRallyGB will run for sunday second stage... Retirement during three stages after will be crucial and cancelled PS points ► http://bit.ly/2MPIOtD

[AL14]

Power Stage in #WalesRallyGB will run for sunday second stage... Retirement during three stages after will be crucial and cancelled PS points ► http://bit.ly/2MPIOtD

Why so?

[T16]

Why so?

Does JB mean that if you retire after the Power stage, given that it is not the last stage, then you will lose any power stage points you have potentially won?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That is the rule normally, but here the PS is not the last stage.

It's not been announced if the rule will be changed for GB so we have to assume it remains and driver's must finish to retain their PS points.

[AL14]

Does JB mean that if you retire after the Power stage, given that it is not the last stage, then you will lose any power stage points you have potentially won?

Yes. And that's fair imho. I just wanted to know why they decide to make PS a stage that is not the last one. Maybe scenery and characteristics fit better? TV&Media reasons?

[AnttiL]

Yes. And that's fair imho. I just wanted to know why they decide to make PS a stage that is not the last one. Maybe scenery and characteristics fit better? TV&Media reasons?

Originally they wanted Great Orme to be the power stage. However, FIA refused because an all-tarmac semi-super-special is not representative of the rally and not fitting for a power stage. Meanwhile, local funding was agreed by getting the Great Orme scenery on TV broadcasts. Thus a compromise was made to have an earlier stage as the power stage and Great Orme as a televised final stage. Well, why is Gwydir 1 power stage and not Gwydir 2? I suppose the reason is that the TV crews need more time in between to move from Gwydir to Great Orme.

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/135442/fia-blocks-radical-rally-gb-stage-plan
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/135487/fia-delay-prompts-questions-over-gb-future
https://rallysportmag.com/wales-rally-gb-overcomes-power-stage-route-crisis260418/

[Got Mail]

Yes. And that's fair imho. I just wanted to know why they decide to make PS a stage that is not the last one. Maybe scenery and characteristics fit better? TV&Media reasons?

I'm sure I've read that the PS needs to be representative of the characteristics of the rally in general.

[AL14]

Thanks guys. Now it's clear.

[Tarmop]

They wanted it to be the last tarmac stage, but had to change it yes. It was discussed here also in spring.

[EstWRC]

if you want to have a laugh in the morning https://www.facebook.com/walesrallygb/videos/2078306485763012/

lol

one of the oddest languages in the world IMO :D

[Jarek Z]

if you want to have a laugh in the morning https://www.facebook.com/walesrallygb/videos/2078306485763012/

lol

one of the oddest languages in the world IMO :D

This is great! Thanks for posting! :D

[AL14]

if you want to have a laugh in the morning https://www.facebook.com/walesrallygb/videos/2078306485763012/

lol

one of the oddest languages in the world IMO :D

lol at Latvala

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The Welsh only have a language so they can swap to it when an English tourist comes in their shop.

And its funny they dont sign 'Bed and Breakfast' in Welsh... ;)

[Mk2 RS2000]

The Welsh only have a language so they can swap to it when an English tourist comes in their shop... ;). So do the French, Mind that all changes once they are convinced that whist you speak the language you are not from nor have anything to do with England

[Fast Eddie WRC]

. So do the French, Mind that all changes once they are convinced that whist you speak the language you are not from nor have anything to do with England

The French speak French, they dont just switch into it when a tourist comes in...

One time two garage assistants switched to Welsh and then just ignored us... but my friend is Welsh and she gave them a volley in their own lingo ! :lol:

[MrJan]

So....any discount codes?

[noel157]

Guys, been years since I've been to RGB. One of my kids is heading over with friends so need some advice.
Is it possible to watch the rally without going to the spectator stages? Nothing to do with money but is it possible to park in a lay-by for instance and make your own way to a stage? It's just something we've always done at rallies and I guess he wants to continue doing it. Or if you use an official car park can you wander away from designated areas?
TIA.

[AndyRAC]

Unless you know people who have property that is on/ near the stages (or know the area) then I'm not sure it's possible. And quite a lot of the lay-bys will be shut. Not like the days of the old RAC, which had a slightly more relaxed attitude to parking; remember all the landowners/ farmers, etc letting people park on their land...... ;)

As for the official car parks, as long as you're sensible picking your spot, you should be okay - it's not quite as bad as people make out. However, I'd try to get in position about 1 hour before the first car.

[T16]

Guys, been years since I've been to RGB. One of my kids is heading over with friends so need some advice.
Is it possible to watch the rally without going to the spectator stages? Nothing to do with money but is it possible to park in a lay-by for instance and make your own way to a stage? It's just something we've always done at rallies and I guess he wants to continue doing it. Or if you use an official car park can you wander away from designated areas?
TIA.

Sounds do-able, but I reckon you will have to really know where you are going to walk from, as there are loads of minor roads etc. closed off. Have you checked out the on-line rally planner? Also, check out the two links earlier in this thread from jbmarcus21 and AnttiL. They are both cracking bits of work and I've used them loads for planning this year.
With regard to wandering, yeah, I do it on most stages to one extent or another. If you're safe, it's fine.

[MrJan]

It's doable, but you really need to know where you're going and be prepared for a long walk (as in 2 hours, most of it uphill). Laybays near the stages will be closed, plus there will be a lot of minor roads closed and there's always the risk you'll meet someone that doesn't want to let you by. I did a stage last year that was 4 miles, 3 of them uphill, just to reach the stage. After that we still had to walk a good way to get to the spot.

Most marshals are happy to let you wander if the stage isn't live and you're sensible about it. The more people listen to the marshals and do what they say (even if they don't agree) then the easier it'll be for everyone.

[the sniper]

The French speak French, they dont just switch into it when a tourist comes in...

One time two garage assistants switched to Welsh and then just ignored us... but my friend is Welsh and she gave them a volley in their own lingo ! :lol:

In mid and particularly north west Wales (the only bits I regularly visit) I find it to be the absolute norm that the locals converse as a matter of course in Welsh. If you go somewhere like the Tesco in Porthmadog out of season, pretty much everyone will be talking Welsh. So I don't agree with that generalisation.


Guys, been years since I've been to RGB. One of my kids is heading over with friends so need some advice.
Is it possible to watch the rally without going to the spectator stages? Nothing to do with money but is it possible to park in a lay-by for instance and make your own way to a stage? It's just something we've always done at rallies and I guess he wants to continue doing it. Or if you use an official car park can you wander away from designated areas?
TIA.

It's certainly possible. I'd say the majority of stages can be reached somehow for free by an hour's walk of two miles or so, give or take half a mile. I don't know of any that don't present a rather significant climb at some point or for the duration though! You really do have to plan it in advance and know where you're heading. This has been made a lot easier in the last few years, given that the official online rally planner shows you where the road closures are in relation to the stages, with the aid of OS maps and Google Maps/Streetview, I think it's now reasonably easy to work out in advance unofficial ways in. To be honest, given all the information now available, I've been surprised that it's still relatively few of us who do take the free route in. I normally travel to the rally alone, but if I were paying for more than one person, I'd balk at the idea of having to pay a multiple of £30 to enter an official stage car park!

Personally I go for a mix of unofficial and paying for the official car parks now, depending on the day/stage and normally how deep I wish to go into a stage. For example last year I parked in the car park for Dyfi, as having recced the walk in a couple of summers ago that I know Mr Jan does, I know I wouldn't fancy doing it on a dark, rainy winter morning! Last year time wise you could easily get over to Dyfnant 2 after Dyfi 1 & 2 were done, walking in, with the walk taking about an hour. I wouldn't walk into Dyfnant this year though because the configuration they're running is too far from the fairly obvious point where there is plentiful free parking that I used, plus the itinerary makes doing Dyfnant very unattractive.

As has been said too, you can reach pretty much anywhere in the stage without hassle, certainly if you get to the stage more than an hour early. Something to note with the official car parks is that you'll normally enter the stage from those at a junction. There there will be loads of taped area and marshals. I've found that while you'll almost always be directed away from traipsing through taped off areas and towards the official spectator area, even long before the start of a stage, I've never had a problem with walking a little way into the spectator area before getting onto the stage, even if you walk back past the entry point down the stage. Obviously you shouldn't get there late and do this though. I've never had a cross word from a marshal. Respect what they tell you, work with or around them, do not give them any grief. I'm not saying you would, just a general point!

[noel157]

Andy, T16, Mr Jan and Sniper, many thanks for your posts, very helpful. And yep, have downloaded Jérémie's and Anttil's info.

[pantealex]

https://walesrallygb.com/documents/1.1_BULLETIN_NO_1_(YELLOW).pdf

That new 4 wheels rolling rule is in use. (so it´s not new for 2019)

[MrJan]

For example last year I parked in the car park for Dyfi, as having recced the walk in a couple of summers ago that I know Mr Jan does, I know I wouldn't fancy doing it on a dark, rainy winter morning!

Yeah that's why I'm after a discount code for this year :D Don't fancy walking up that bloody hill again, but also don't fancy paying £30.

[Edemaca]

best places to photograph in brenig stage?

[EstWRC]

Right hand corner

[N.O.T]

best places to photograph in brenig stage?

hairpins with flowers in the backgound

[KiwiWRCfan]

hairpins with flowers in the backgound

thanks for the reminder N.O.T.
It is time for Professional photographers at Rally GB to compete for the annual "N.O.T. Award" given for best photo featuring Autumn leaf colours"
This year judges are expected to give extra credit for "hairpins with flowers in the background"

[GravelBen]

They're also introducing an exciting new awards category for 'old farmer leaning on post with dust in background'

[mknight]

Shrooms!
https://www.ewrc.cz/image/435819/

[AnttiL]

Current forecasts are giving somewhat rainy weather for next week and weekend, especially on the Northern stages. Although, it could still change many times...

https://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Wales/Betws-y-Coed/long.html
https://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Wales/Clocaenog/long.html
https://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Wales/Llanidloes/long.html
https://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Wales/Dolgellau/long.html

[AnttiL]

Press releases:

Toyota https://toyotagazooracing.com/release/2018/wrc/rd11-preview.html
Hyundai https://motorsport.hyundai.com/recharged-and-ready-for-wales-gb/

[Simmi]

best places to photograph in brenig stage?

It's a long walk from the carpark but along the lake is probably the most iconic bit of that stage. Depends what you want really.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5633/30697880636_0246d4dd1d_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/NLEEq5)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/NLEEq5) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr

Or there are some okay bits in the Alwen section too. Check out some onboards and YouTube videos.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4513/26310531319_b1313b7608_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/G5Ymjk)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/G5Ymjk) by Richard Simpson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/), on Flickr

[AnttiL]

Remember that Brenig is a bit different to what it was last year. Although, there's only a short bit from last year's stage missing and the added parts are mostly in the woods so not good for photographing.

[AndyRAC]

Ha ha, I should be there tomorrow on either my CX or MTB.......

[EstWRC]

Press releases:

Toyota https://toyotagazooracing.com/release/2018/wrc/rd11-preview.html
Hyundai https://motorsport.hyundai.com/recharged-and-ready-for-wales-gb/

and Toyota video preview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M71C_UDH0TY

[Brynmor Pierce]

If anyone is down by Wednesday please do come along to the rally forum...lots of amusing stories and a line up including:
Juha Kankkunen, Nicky Grist, Malcolm Wilson, Craig Breen, Mads Ostberg, Alain Penasse, Matt Edwards, Chris Ingram and some iconic cars in the room https://www.facebook.com/groups/1684774905180397/permalink/2169343470056869/

[tr4m]

and Toyota video preview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M71C_UDH0TY

2:29 - Hänninen is back.

[AnttiL]

2:29 - Hänninen is back.

As we speak he is codriving for Latvala on a historic Group A Celica at a Finnish Championship event

He has also done test driving for Toyota this year

[Mintexmemory]

thanks for the reminder N.O.T.
It is time for Professional photographers at Rally GB to compete for the annual "N.O.T. Award" given for best photo featuring Autumn leaf colours"
This year judges are expected to give extra credit for "hairpins with flowers in the background"

Not a good year in UK for leaf colour, owing to very hot dry summer (yes I know it's soggy Wales) the buggers are shrivelling brown and falling quickly.

[jbmarcus21]

Nice to see Paulo Nobre's back to WRC in Wales with a Skoda FABIA R5 ► http://bit.ly/2QkStu3

[AndyRAC]

Rode quite a bit of the Brenig stage yesterday; the open areas are dry & dusty, but the sections in the trees in Cloc & Alwen still have some moisture in the surface.
Oh, and coming into Ruthin on the A494, there were roadworks - no idea when they'll be completed.

[N.O.T]

Nice to see Paulo Nobre's back to WRC

why you want to see trash drivers back in the top of the sport ?

[Essaj]

why you want to see trash drivers back in the top of the sport ?

Yeah since more drivers in WRC is a bad thing...

[AnttiL]

https://rallysportmag.com/preview-wales-rally-gb-wrc-round-11/

All M-Sport cars will again use the old aero. Toyotas will have the new engine.

[MrJan]

Anyone know what scanner frequencies teams will use? Thought it might be interesting to try and listen in

[N.O.T]

Yeah since more drivers in WRC is a bad thing...

yes it is, if they are trash...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rally GB - Power Stage FAQ
https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/september-2018/rally-gb-power-stage/page/5768--12-12-.html

[er88]

Is the Great Orme free to attend? Bit of confusion today on the Wales Rally GB spectator Facebook page. I was sure it was free so that's why we had it in our itinerary for the Sunday instead of a forest, but if it costs I'd rather pay to enter a forest.

[Whinlatter]

Is the Great Orme free to attend? Bit of confusion today on the Wales Rally GB spectator Facebook page. I was sure it was free so that's why we had it in our itinerary for the Sunday instead of a forest, but if it costs I'd rather pay to enter a forest.
There may be a charge by the land owner for parking on the top of the Orme - think it's usually £10? Or you can park in Llandudno and walk up for free (doubt they will let you walk round at road level).

[SubaruNorway]

Is it true that you can't spectator recce stages in Wales? Read it on some spectator page on FB

[T16]

From Julian Porter’s Twitter:
The stages are looking fantastic for @WalesRallyGB - the weather was great on our recce last week, will it hold for the rally and who will come out on top of our championship challengers?
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[AnttiL]

Today’s forecasts give rain for Friday and Saturday.

[AnttiL]

Is it true that you can't spectator recce stages in Wales? Read it on some spectator page on FB

Most of them are private and closed from public. But not sure how strict and where.

[tommeke_B]

Many roads/stages are locked and unaccessible indeed, especially the ones in North-Wales (like Clocaenog, Alwen and Brenig). I think Gartheiniog, Dyfi, Dyfnant, Hafren and Myherin could be accessible.

[AnttiL]

http://www.dai-sport.com/grist-wales-rally-gb-stage-guide/

Nicky Grist stage previews

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Today’s forecasts give rain for Friday and Saturday.

Been raining last night and BBC forecast also showing rain on Thursday.

Heard it for weeks here about an Indian Summer but it hasnt happened. It has rained on and off since August and I knew it wouldnt suddenly be dry for WRGB...

[T16]

@CitroenRacing

Recce lunch brake under typical Welsh weather! ☂️ #WRC #WalesRallyGB #WRGB

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[dimviii]

"The championship is still possible. Of course, we are not in the best position at the moment, but with 90 points still available and being 23 behind, it's definitely not lost."
Ogier had hoped for a revised engine specification aboard his Fiesta for GB.
While the new parts in the engine have been tested and demonstrated an increase in power, torque and efficiency, it remains to be seen whether the new hardware, which requires a homologation joker, will be fitted in time.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/139108/title-bid-is-over-if-i-lose-in-wales--ogier

[EstWRC]

"The championship is still possible. Of course, we are not in the best position at the moment, but with 90 points still available and being 23 behind, it's definitely not lost."
Ogier had hoped for a revised engine specification aboard his Fiesta for GB.
While the new parts in the engine have been tested and demonstrated an increase in power, torque and efficiency, it remains to be seen whether the new hardware, which requires a homologation joker, will be fitted in time.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/139108/title-bid-is-over-if-i-lose-in-wales--ogier

"Many times in my career I have had luck with me, but now I am missing some of that."

we have had many debates here about that luck ;)

[dimviii]

"Many times in my career I have had luck with me, but now I am missing some of that."

we have had many debates here about that luck ;)

it wasnt luck,it was just thathe knew from recce where he could go out of road.https://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/shifty.gif

[dimviii]

nice photo
https://twitter.com/BritRallyMedia/status/1047048192242659328

[mknight]

it wasnt luck,it was just thathe knew from recce where he could go out of road.https://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/shifty.gif

This is actually extremely funny (your stubbornness).

Even after basically every driver said how much time they use watching the onboards from previous years and recce. You still don't believe that Ogier is telling the truth that he knew a corner in the field a few kms from his birthplace in Gap on a rally that he has driven 8 times or so and a stage that was driven for at least 3 years before was (relatively) safe to go off on a second run of the stage.

The full quote from Ogier is btw:
"We knew it was an open area but I wasn't expecting so much dirt on the road. On the winter tyre we understeered. Okay, I could take a risk there because I knew it was only a field on the outside. I had to try and do a bit more here."

Totally won't be able to remember there is open field on the outside given all the facts listed above. He doesn't say it was safe to go off, just that he could take a risk cause the corner was less dangerous than others (ex. next to many trees).

This is the corner:
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4468675,5.7798676,3a,75y,115.71h,75.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqm-iq63P8AnRp67sTQaHPg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656


Being wrong is human. Repeating something again and again after proven wrong is....

[dimviii]

dont repeat this stupid thing please.

[mknight]

dont repeat this stupid thing please.

Truth hurts. Easier to fire off random accusations.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

"While the new parts in the engine have been tested and demonstrated an increase in power, torque and efficiency, it remains to be seen whether the new hardware, which requires a homologation joker, will be fitted in time."

Hopefully they will, why the hell would they not ??

[dimviii]

Mads Østberg
‏


@MadsOstberg

Recce of Thursday Friday and Saturday is done. The thought of a dry @WalesRallyGB was nothing but a wet dream! #WRC #reccedays #citroenracing

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nice photo's of Skoda PET's, also including Rovenpera, Chris Ingram & David Bogie :

https://www.facebook.com/pg/rallysportmedia/photos/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Still no new rear aero on the other M-Sports... or is it due to the chassis linking ?

https://i.imgur.com/H6Dttpb.jpg

[AnttiL]

Should be old aero on all cars according to Martin Holmes. But Toyota has new engines.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Just noticed the long liaison back to the Service Park on Friday lunchtime - all the way from Slate Mountain to Deeside (103km) !

OK, its maybe also for the WRC guests/hospitality at the SP, but what about all the lower entrants. I bet they're not happy.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoW5R6HXsAEFnhI.jpg:large

[pucky54]

I guess it's even more interesting to have the whole Saturday (nine stages) without service ;)

[AnttiL]

Just noticed the long liaison back to the Service Park on Friday lunchtime - all the way from Slate Mountain to Deeside (103km) !

OK, its maybe also for the WRC guests/hospitality at the SP, but what about all the lower entrants. I bet they're not happy.

Give me a WRC rally that doesn't have a single 100 km liaison. I think Wales Rally GB has done a terrific job at reducing liaisons this year.

[Franky]

Give me a WRC rally that doesn't have a single 100 km liaison.

You asked for it. Both Turkey and Germany. Didn't check others. But yeah, 100km is nothing.

[spiderem]

what's the deal with new aero on Fiesta? Linked to chassis for GB or just not good enough?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It just seems a long liaison back to the SP for a 30 minute service and then off again for the afternoon stages.

The Saturday has a remote service in Newtown which makes sense.

I think they are only coming all the way back to Deeside on Friday to give the SP some action during the day.

[AnttiL]

It just seems a long liaison back to the SP for a 30 minute service and then off again for the afternoon stages.

The Saturday has a remote service in Newtown which makes sense.

I think they are only coming all the way back to Deeside on Friday to give the SP some action during the day.

Do you realize that remote service is only a tyre change zone? The crews won't be able to get the damages fixed or setups changed. They can only service by themselves.

But it's also true that having the cars in the service park is financially an important thing to the organizers.

About pointless liaisons, in Rally Sweden the Karlstad super special is 100 km from the service park, and that liaison is done twice during the rally. (Also 90 km from Vargåsen finish, making it 190 km of liaison at the end of Saturday just for the sake of the super special)

[AnttiL]

You asked for it. Both Turkey and Germany. Didn't check others. But yeah, 100km is nothing.

True. Seems that Mexico and Argentina are also quite compact events. Finland could also be, but the popular Saturday stages like Päijälä and Kakaristo are behind a ~100 km liaison.

[torsteinrp]

Its 100km From Torsby service park to Karlstad not 190km.. So the same ass GB.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The Saturday just having a remote tyre-fitting and no service shows the return to the SP in the middle of Friday isnt really necessary.

[AnttiL]

Its 100km From Torsby service park to Karlstad not 190km.. So the same ass GB.

Yeah, my route calculation was mistakenly from Vargåsen to Karlstad to Torsby. So that is the 190 km distance. Thanks for the correction :)

[AnttiL]

The Saturday just having a remote tyre-fitting and no service shows the return to the SP in the middle of Friday isnt really necessary.

I bet the drivers are happy to drive extra 100 km to get their cars serviced. Also, remember that it's about 60 km from Slate Mountain to Clocaenog start. They would still have a long liaison in the middle of the day with service or not.

[Simmi]

The Saturday just having a remote tyre-fitting and no service shows the return to the SP in the middle of Friday isnt really necessary.

The organisers can't win really. They got complaints in the previous years that the service park was under utilised for teams/guests etc. Sadly that's a modern consideration of rallying. They are soulless places really I spend as little time at the GB one as possible.

[MrJan]

Does Mexico still have that ridiculous liaison where they put the cars on transporters to get from the Thursday night stage to Friday morning first stage?


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[AnttiL]

Does Mexico still have that ridiculous liaison where they put the cars on transporters to get from the Thursday night stage to Friday morning first stage?


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No, it was only in 2017. And it was only because VW dropped the sponsorship of the rally at the last minute so they needed Mexico City as an alternate financial backer. This year they didn't have to do it anymore.

[AnttiL]

The organisers can't win really. They got complaints in the previous years that the service park was under utilised for teams/guests etc. Sadly that's a modern consideration of rallying. They are soulless places really I spend as little time at the GB one as possible.

Service parks and super specials - they are not made for us who are so deep in the sport that we spend our free time talking on an internet forum about it. But these things are still important to the financial side of the rally, whether we like it or not.

[noel157]

Guys, been years since I've been to RGB. One of my kids is heading over with friends so need some advice.
Is it possible to watch the rally without going to the spectator stages? Nothing to do with money but is it possible to park in a lay-by for instance and make your own way to a stage? It's just something we've always done at rallies and I guess he wants to continue doing it. Or if you use an official car park can you wander away from designated areas?
TIA.

Need a bit more help please.
The boy is heading down to Wales Thurs night with 3 friends. Just found out they've hired a motorhome, great for sleeping, not so good for travelling between stages. Anyway he's asked me if they have to use official car parks etc how many stages can they expect to see out of the 7/8 on Fri/Sat? I'm assuming they won't be trapped in once in a viewing area. Obviously leaving the stage after 20 cars or so (if they decide to do that). Would they get 3 in considering traffic etc?

[T16]

Need a bit more help please.
The boy is heading down to Wales Thurs night with 3 friends. Just found out they've hired a motorhome, great for sleeping, not so good for travelling between stages. Anyway he's asked me if they have to use official car parks etc how many stages can they expect to see out of the 7/8 on Fri/Sat? I'm assuming they won't be trapped in once in a viewing area. Obviously leaving the stage after 20 cars or so (if they decide to do that). Would they get 3 in considering traffic etc?

It's going to be tricky, but I guess it depends on ho many spectators are going to watch this year (it was rammed last year).

I'm planning on doing a bit of stage hopping, but I'm going to judge it when I get there I guess.

If you can get me your email, I will send you the miles-between-stages plan I have done and show you what may work as options on Friday and Saturday.

[Jajá]

I remember this happened in Argentina one year (2011?), when they had a SSS in Buenos Aires Thursday night (which is ~700Km far from Cordoba) and they had to cancel all the friday morning stages as the cars did not arrive in time to get properly serviced and to the crews to leave SP. I remember being there and seeing the trucks arriving with the cars in the morning...

[Tarmop]

It also happened in Mexico last year.

[EstWRC]

so shakedown tomorrow...very crucial rally for all the championship contenders, maybe not so much for Neuville but if Tänak or Ogier doesnt do well and Neuville does then it will be very hard for them with just 2 rounds left.

I remember that last year Toyota struggled and Tänak, Ogier also did on Saturday when it was really polished and slippy, they just couldnt get the grip.

Ogier is the favourite for me with his great record here and good starting position. Interesting to watch Evans now that he has the same tyre as everyone but i dont expect any miracles from him.

Maybe Mikkelsen can surprise this time?

[the sniper]

Just found out they've hired a motorhome, great for sleeping, not so good for travelling between stages. Anyway he's asked me if they have to use official car parks etc how many stages can they expect to see out of the 7/8 on Fri/Sat? I'm assuming they won't be trapped in once in a viewing area. Would they get 3 in considering traffic etc?

I think three is theoretically doable on Friday, but I really wouldn't want to try it in a motor home. Getting out of one full car park early (presumably from the top of the car park) and arriving at another late can be a bit dicey even in a small car.

The official spectator areas all allow access back to the car park at any time, as far as I know. Some having marshalled stage crossing points to allow this. Just got to get around all the spectators.


Nearly there now folks. Looks like we might just get a bit of rain or drizzle in the morning. BBC maps showing a little blue blob just over Llyn Brenig, special order!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The organisers can't win really. They got complaints in the previous years that the service park was under utilised for teams/guests etc. Sadly that's a modern consideration of rallying. They are soulless places really I spend as little time at the GB one as possible.

I dont mind the SP at all and quite enjoy the atmosphere. I'll be calling there this year as there's an access tour for M-Sport Supporter's.

But I just think the route could've been better organised so as not to require a 100km drive back to service from the furthest point on Friday.

[mknight]

I actually think this rally is crucial for Neuville, cause unless some miracle development happens he will struggle in Spain both on friday due to road position and then on tarmac with the car. Luckily for him Loeb is likely to steal points from others.

Anyway here in GB I also rate Ogier as favourite of the 3. Toyota is still uncertain, didn't had top speed on wet on Sardinia.

[lluisva555]

what's the deal with new aero on Fiesta? Linked to chassis for GB or just not good enough?

While they use the old chassis (same used in Turkey) I think they are not forced to use the new aero.... which would probably be easily damaged in Wales. We'll see what decision do they take in next event (Catalunya)

[denkimi]

I actually think this rally is crucial for Neuville, cause unless some miracle development happens he will struggle in Spain both on friday due to road position and then on tarmac with the car. Luckily for him Loeb is likely to steal points from others.
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Anyway here in GB I also rate Ogier as favourite of the 3. Toyota is still uncertain, didn't had top speed on wet on Sardinia.
I don't believe loeb will steal any meaningful points. If nothing goes wrong he should end way beyond neuville, tanak and ogier.

[focus206]

I actually think this rally is crucial for Neuville, cause unless some miracle development happens he will struggle in Spain both on friday due to road position and then on tarmac with the car.

My thought as well. In Wales sweeping shouldn't be as bad as in Catalunya and Australia, especially if it's damp or wet. He should try to increase the points gap between him and Tanak/Ogier, because in the remaining two rounds (if he's still the championship leader), he'll have the sweeping disadvantage.

[N.O.T]

I don't believe loeb will steal any meaningful points. If nothing goes wrong he should end way beyond neuville, tanak and ogier.

like in mexico and corsica right ??

this sport is not for you... you watch it and you take away nothing.... ridiculous.

[MrJan]

Need a bit more help please.
The boy is heading down to Wales Thurs night with 3 friends. Just found out they've hired a motorhome, great for sleeping, not so good for travelling between stages. Anyway he's asked me if they have to use official car parks etc how many stages can they expect to see out of the 7/8 on Fri/Sat? I'm assuming they won't be trapped in once in a viewing area. Obviously leaving the stage after 20 cars or so (if they decide to do that). Would they get 3 in considering traffic etc?

I think 3 is fairly straightforward but always a compromise and a gamble. In terms of timings then I'd say Slate Mountain then Penmachno is best bet on Friday, but I don't know what parking is like at either (there is always the chance that you're best part of an hour's walk from the stage, and even that could be crap viewing). Saturday I'm not so sure on, in theory you'd have thought that the number of stages would make it viable, but there's some fair liaison in it for a motorhome. Probable best bet is to try Myherin first stage then consider where else might work (e.g both running of Garth).

Personally I'd rather just accept that I will only see cars twice (plus the national event) rather than rush and tear and possibly miss them. I've done trips where we watch the top 15/20 and then jump back in the car and it can be bloody tiring. With the help of J4MIE's planning we did something like 13 stages + shakedown for Greece 2012...and we could have watched the power stage too but sacked it off in favour of going to the beach for a shower (5 days in cars/tents/climbing hills really took a toll). I'm not sure I'll ever do something like that again, it was stupidly full on and involved a crazy amount of time sitting in the car.

Edit: Just had a look to jog my memory, on the Friday we did about 400km of driving to see 5 stages, slightly higher mileage on Saturday for almost 5 (I missed the first couple of cars on one stage, the others couldn't be arsed to scale the mountain to get there - I maintain that it was worth it for the view)
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7101/7319932412_04ab6fc351_c.jpg

[Simmi]

Wishing everyone who is going to the rally a great trip. Heading to Shakedown at silly o'clock in the morning. Doesn't seem like any momentum has been lost since last year so I think it's going to be packed again!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rally Forum live stream: Breen, M.Wilson, Kankkunen and more.

http://rallyfm.net/popup-player.html

[Whinlatter]

Shakedown and service park for me tomorrow, full day in Brenig Friday - bit undecided for Saturday - had been thinking of parking in Sweet Lamb, walking up past the old mines and into Hafren for the morning run before gradually making my way back through Sweet Lamb for the Nationals and second WRC run so I get a different photo point for each... but the forecast looks very wet for Saturday AM so I'm not sure I wouldn't be better going somewhere with trees. Ironically Sunday looks like a nice day but unfortunately I can't go!

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DomzZmxX4AARC00.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DomrwKDXsAIMtOx.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DomyjK3XgAAHMNR.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Domkc-wW4AA4Igq.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Domkc-tXkAEWVoJ.jpg

[er88]

Hi guys, does anyone think Clocaenog Ss2 for the first 15-20 cars is doable, plus slate mountain? I know it's a risk no matter what, just wanted to know hpw big a risk or if it's too unlikely to make the top guys at slate mountain at 10.40

[Whinlatter]

Technically possible but hard to tell how busy it could be with it being a completely new stage - are they using shuttle buses at Slate Mountain to take people up from the car park to the stage? Just thinking that if you have to wait for a bus to arrive, or fill up, then that might reduce your chances of making it in time - though I guess you could always hike up the same route that the buses are taking.

[AnttiL]

Expecting Neuville to have a slight advance on the muddy roads, especially if it starts raining tomorrow or Friday morning. The road should get more slippery with every car. Neuville had good pace last year so I think he has all the best chances to win, if only his head is strong enough. Ogier will struggle with slippier road and the Fiesta which may lag a bit behind the other cars. The Toyotas seemed to have problems last year with the aeros collecting mud and making the car heavy, as well as with turning in -problems. Let's see if they have overcome those problems. I could see Latvala and Mikkelsen end with good positions in addition to the obvious Tänak. Of course the long Saturday could change everything with the road order being reversed and the stages probably even muddier with more rain forecasted. Last year it was rather drama-free with only Breen and Hänninen having offs and the night stages shuffling the top six. How will it turn out this year? The route is also a bit different this year, more about the narrow North Wales stages than the faster and flowing Mid Wales ones and the tarmac bits there as well. It will be an interesting rally for sure.

[er88]

Yeah it's whether the shuttle buses are the only route up. If we get there say 10/10.15, then the shuttle buses might be halted as it seems there's only 3 designated spectator points at the stage, and the buses use the same single track up the mountain. We'll probably make a decision on Friday morning whether we risk it or not
Technically possible but hard to tell how busy it could be with it being a completely new stage - are they using shuttle buses at Slate Mountain to take people up from the car park to the stage? Just thinking that if you have to wait for a bus to arrive, or fill up, then that might reduce your chances of making it in time - though I guess you could always hike up the same route that the buses are taking.

[janvanvurpa]

I don't believe loeb will steal any meaningful points. If nothing goes wrong he should end way beyond neuville, tanak and ogier.


Oh yea of little faith.

[T16]

Hi guys, does anyone think Clocaenog Ss2 for the first 15-20 cars is doable, plus slate mountain? I know it's a risk no matter what, just wanted to know hpw big a risk or if it's too unlikely to make the top guys at slate mountain at 10.40

The car park at Clocaenog looks quite close to the road, so I reckon it will be easy enough to get out from.

[noel157]

It's going to be tricky, but I guess it depends on ho many spectators are going to watch this year (it was rammed last year).

I'm planning on doing a bit of stage hopping, but I'm going to judge it when I get there I guess.

If you can get me your email, I will send you the miles-between-stages plan I have done and show you what may work as options on Friday and Saturday.

When you get a chance, many thanks.

[EstWRC]

The Toyotas seemed to have problems last year with the aeros collecting mud and making the car heavy, as well as with turning in -problems. It will be an interesting rally for sure.

It seems they had the same issue on Friday in Sardegna this year, especially the turning in issue.

But Ott was happy after the Wales PET and said they have made lots of progress.

We will see in 24 hours!

[AnttiL]

Another weather post

Clocaenog: https://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Wales/Clocaenog/hour_by_hour.html
https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/clocaenog/ll15-2/hourly-weather-forecast/715610
Brenig: https://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Wales/Alwen_Reservoir/hour_by_hour.html
Penmachno: https://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Wales/Penmachno/hour_by_hour.html
https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/penmachno/ll24-0/hourly-weather-forecast/710535?hour=33

There could be some morning and evening showers on Clocaenog and Brenig tomorrow. Penmachno could have some rain already today and more rain tomorrow morning and yet more in the evening.

Myherin and Sweet Lamb Hafren: https://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Wales/Llangurig/hour_by_hour.html
https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/llangurig/sy18-6/hourly-weather-forecast/330381
Dyfi and Gartheiniog: https://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Wales/Aberllefenni/hour_by_hour.html
https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/aberllefenni/sy20-9/hourly-weather-forecast/717633
Dyfnant: https://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Wales/Llangadfan/hour_by_hour.html
https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/llangadfan/sy21-0/hourly-weather-forecast/711987

It seems it starts raining Friday afternoon and will continue overnight. The rain should stop at Saturday noon, but it's too early to look that far into the rally.

[EstWRC]

Damn delay again

[AnttiL]

Shakedown is now live https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/43469-dayinsure-wales-rally-gb-2018/

[AnttiL]

Tänak went off! https://twitter.com/jackbenyon/status/1047745918605381632

[EstWRC]

Lol. A bit sleepy I guess

[AnttiL]

I suppose Ogier and Lappi had to slow down because of Tänak? Everyone else is doing almost the same times...

[EstWRC]

Another angle of Tänak off https://twitter.com/neilhatdell/status/1047749598687768576?s=21


That handbrake didn’t work? Look how early neuville is sideways already but Ott not. He doesn’t seem to turn at all

[Allez Andruet]

Another angle of Tänak off https://twitter.com/neilhatdell/status/1047749598687768576?s=21


That handbrake didn’t work? Look how early neuville is sideways already but Ott not. He doesn’t seem to turn at all

All wheels seemed to be locked when Ott was entering the corner. I'd like to call it "hartialukko" if it wasn't for one of the best rally drivers on the planet.

[GravelBen]

Lol. A bit sleepy I guess

Brain fade? :D

[TypeR]

seems like engine stalled and couldn't do anything after that

[AnttiL]

Most drivers not improving their times after first pass. Roads getting worse.

[EstWRC]

Stage diving Tänak style

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DopcXVRXsAEEE8E.jpg

[RaunoK]

Good to get the crash out of the system on a test stage.

[EstWRC]

Estonian media reporting that’s it for Tänak with shakedown

[AnttiL]

Estonian media reporting that’s it for Tänak with shakedown

Hopefully the car can get fixed

[mmm]

Estonian media reporting that’s it for Tänak with shakedown

Getting shakedown runs is the least of their problems - fingers crossed, looking at the impact, that the chassis is 100% fine.

[AnttiL]

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/139139/msport-decides-not-to-use-upgraded-engine-for-gb

M-Sport couldn't get the upgraded engine for Wales because of reliability issues

[Tarmop]

They aren`t facing the oncoming cars, they are further on the right.

[EstWRC]

Getting shakedown runs is the least of their problems - fingers crossed, looking at the impact, that the chassis is 100% fine.

Just reported that The car will be fixed for tonight

[AnttiL]

They aren`t facing the oncoming cars, they are further on the right.

There’s also a ditch and a bank, as Tänak’s off shows. Trees also protect them

[AnttiL]

Suninen's fastest time fixed or removed

[Fast Eddie WRC]

@jackbenyon re Tanak
He’s got going again. Spectators had to jump on the boot! https://t.co/IslxhOa0FP

Proper rallying already @WalesRallyGB, spectators helping @OttTanak back on the road. From damage. https://t.co/B7TWqbfcVe

[Tarmop]

Whatever the camera angle most speccy pens are behind the corner now. WRGB provides full stage information most UK events now one maybe two specific points. Same principle applies which is why when you marshal on a club event now spectators say "we were allowed to stand in the same position on WRGB"!!

And what`s the problem with THAT place. It is safe for the mentioned reasons. Every other place is another story.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Nearly another off ! @AMikkelsenRally @WalesRallyGB https://t.co/bRIqBSgmBd

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier now fastest...

Shakedown - Clocaenog (3.37 km)
⏱️*New best time of 2'01.4 and quickest so far
#WRGB #WRC https://t.co/kEjGI2gC5i

[AnttiL]

Ogier now fastest...

Shakedown - Clocaenog (3.37 km)
⏱️*New best time of 2'01.4 and quickest so far
#WRGB #WRC https://t.co/kEjGI2gC5i

shared fastest with Latvala and Evans.

[KKS]

seems like engine stalled and couldn't do anything after that
Well spotted. And it happens for Yaris many times this year :(

[APX]

Latest info is that Tänak still plans to go back to SD.

[EstWRC]

Well spotted. And it happens for Yaris many times this year :(

It is indeed worrying. Luckily it didn’t happen on the stage

Ogier with a very good time on his latest run

[TypeR]

Ott started moving back to SD

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Thank you guys for this quick repairing work. We are able to go to the SD again. 💪

#WalesRallyGB #WRC #Rallying #GoOtt #TGR_WRC https://t.co/CeKlGUjmRZ

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Still no further SD times for Tanak. Has he missed the slot for P1 Driver's ?

[the sniper]

He's in the stage, just gone past me!

[T16]

Still no further SD times for Tanak. Has he missed the slot for P1 Driver's ?

He's showing now.

[T16]

When you get a chance, many thanks.

Sent it, Noel.

[KiwiWRCfan]

Still no further SD times for Tanak. Has he missed the slot for P1 Driver's ?

Shakedown is open until 12:00 for P1 drivers. Ott then has an hour to return to service Park for the FIA press conference at 1:00. Just over 40km to travel so should be easily doable if Ott wants to keep doing SD passes right up until 12:00.
Other P1 driver for press conference are Breen, Evans & Paddon

[the sniper]

Anyone know where Ingram is? Supposed to be entered in WRC2, but hasn't gone out on Shakedown.

[mknight]

Anyone know where Ingram is? Supposed to be entered in WRC2, but hasn't gone out on Shakedown.

Tracking shows him on start of SD

[Essaj]

Anyone know where Ingram is? Supposed to be entered in WRC2, but hasn't gone out on Shakedown.

Looking at the gps dots in the WRC+ app he has been standing close to shakedown start for good 2 hours. No idea what's going on.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I thought Ingram was supposed to he at the rally forum last night, but there was no mentionof him...

[Got Mail]

Looking at the gps dots in the WRC+ app he has been standing close to shakedown start for good 2 hours. No idea what's going on.

Slight technical issue with the car, that is all.

[pantealex]

https://walesrallygb.com/documents/2.2_STEWARDS_DECISION_NO._1.pdf

They are allowed to swap tyres from car to car at Shakedown. Inresting but weird request from M-Sport.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier set his fastest time on his last run when the road was said to be worst. Most others on their first or second runs.

Tanak slowest of the WRC's. The off wont have helped his confidence.

[T16]

Slight technical issue with the car, that is all.

Has he managed any runs at all in SD?

[spiderem]

Anybody can think of a silly reason behind? Some weird tactics? or just nothing really.

[T16]

Anybody can think of a silly reason behind? Some weird tactics? or just nothing really.

Behind what?

[T16]

https://walesrallygb.com/documents/2.2_STEWARDS_DECISION_NO._1.pdf

They are allowed to swap tyres from car to car at Shakedown. Inresting but weird request from M-Sport.

Yeah - it's so the drivers can evaluate different compounds without having to travel the long distance back to service to change tyres.

[EstWRC]

shakedown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAeJ-tuLvHw&t=

[Allez Andruet]

Tanak slowest of the WRC's. The off wont have helped his confidence.
After winning the last three rallies, I'm quite sure he knows he can beat them all.

[Tarmop]

Well, the road wasn`t like it was before for sure and he mentioned, that he took that place with extra caution, so hard to make any conclusions...he hasn`t actually been the fastest, even in the top3 in previous 3 SD`s.

11 drivers in 1.9 seconds on the other hand should give us a very evenly matched event. :D

[mknight]

If you compare results of last years rally with SD nothing except Evans winning matches. Often it's the exact opposite (ex. Sordo 2nd fastest SD and then slowest wrc all weekend).

[Ucci]

https://walesrallygb.com/documents/2.2_STEWARDS_DECISION_NO._1.pdf

They are allowed to swap tyres from car to car at Shakedown. Inresting but weird request from M-Sport.

M-Sport Will use every possible mean to relive Ogier's chance in the fight for the WC crown.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Hot moment for Evans...

@ElfynEvans running a bit wide in shakedown https://t.co/M0q8OkiIfw

[Fast Eddie WRC]

TGR
Shakedown is completed ✅ and cars are back in the service. Check out the video and see what were the brightest highlights...

#TOYOTA #YarisWRC #RallyWalesGB #WRC #Rallying https://t.co/Uq5IJGAs8C

[dimviii]

another angle from Tanaks off
https://youtu.be/VJWxS_-7brA

[KKS]

After winning the last three rallies, I'm quite sure he knows he can beat them all.
no on this one. In Wales Fords seems to be quick

[EstWRC]

Ott at the press conference:

Q:
Ott, firstly let’s start with what happened at shakedown this morning. We saw you off the road, how did it happen and what damage was done to the Yaris?
OT:
I had some electrical issue with the wipers, there was something before the corner and I tried to get them in the position so I could see out of the screen again. When I looked out, the corner was already there and I was much too quick, I should have been concentrating on the main job!

Q:
Not much multi-tasking went on this morning then…
OT:
Not at all. I ran out of talent


haha


link https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-wales-rally-gb-press-conference-0?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[BigWorm]

Ott at the press conference: "there was an electrical issue and the whipers didnt work, so I tried to get them into the position that I could see out but at the same i forgot my main job which is driving and I didnt even have a chance to take the corner"

Get the shoelaces!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

A sign of the conditions this morning and to come...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DopvVtTWwAALrgG.jpg:large

[EstWRC]

michelin video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa2McMF3GR0&feature=youtu.be&a=

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Press Conference video: https://www.facebook.com/105010216258023/posts/1913760108716349/

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/dayinsure_wales_rally_gb_2018/hfr_dsc_5959-edit_i.jpg

more
https://www.ewrc.cz/foto/43469-dayinsure-wales-rally-gb-2018/515/

[EstWRC]

#Tyre info - SS1

Citroën/Toyota: 5 MICHELIN LTX Force S6
Hyundai: 4 MICHELIN LTX Force M6 +1S6
M-Sport: 5 MICHELIN LTX Force M6

[Indreq]

On that first stage they could probably go with tires borrowed from random Volvo parked on the roadside and they wouldnt lose more than handful of seconds. :D

[KKS]

https://twitter.com/JariMattiWRC/status/1047897510273007616

Like a home rally for JML!

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/jackbenyon/status/1047750543203078145

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Awful stage.

[EstWRC]

is this a WRC round or am I watching a local Wales rally?

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/KielderWT/status/1047816692317999104


nice photo of Evans
https://twitter.com/BSWRally/status/1047758114622255104

wtf
https://twitter.com/DanniMendiola/status/1047872392897462272

[KKS]

is this a WRC round or am I watching a local Wales rally?
did you expect a Saarema rally-queue in Wales? Of course it's local's Welsh and BRC drivers

[EstWRC]

IMO this stage is a lot better than in Germany and Turkey

[dimviii]

PassatsDeCanto video
https://youtu.be/a-Uk9216Zuo

e-rally video
https://youtu.be/wW3ngX4Nfvk

[dimviii]

@OfficialWRC
Citroën and Toyota: Five softs
Hyundai: 4 mediums and one hard
M-Sport Ford: 5 mediums #WRC

[mufcAleksi]

Quite interestingly this is the first time a Finn has led a rally this year!

[Oliverk]

Worst live stage ever. 2 guys with vhs cameras filming prob.

[mknight]

Quite interestingly this is the first time a Finn has led a rally this year!

Yeah cool that you noticed. First on SSS on the 11th round of the season. When both Lappi and Latvala have 25 stage wins between themselves.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What an ugly stage.

When I think back to the beautiful spectator stages we watched at stately homes back in the RAC Rally days...

[Barreis]

What an ugly stage.

When I think back to the beautiful spectator stages we watched at stately homes back in the RAC Rally days...

Network Q RAC 1993, that was first rally I watched coverage day by day :)

[EstWRC]

Rally GB: “Intense” WRC title contenders rate their chances

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/rally-gb-intense-wrc-title-contenders-rate-their-chances/3188905/


the video is filmed before Turkey

[AnttiL]

IMO this stage is a lot better than in Germany and Turkey

I think the trotting track part is actually quite good, but the next part where they do donuts and laps in the dark parking lot is just bollocks...

[AnttiL]

https://yle.fi/urheilu/3-10440150?origin=rss

Not sure if this is covered elsewhere, but Tänak said the shakedown crash hit his balls quite hard :D

[Simmi]

A sign of the conditions this morning and to come...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DopvVtTWwAALrgG.jpg:large

This corner was damed by a well known photographer which made it seems a lot wetter than it was. Class corner though - some very big sideways moments there! Really warm today. Should all change tomorrow though.

[KKS]

Suninen shakedown onboard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj11xPatEnc

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This corner was damed by a well known photographer which made it seems a lot wetter than it was. Class corner though - some very big sideways moments there! Really warm today. Should all change tomorrow though.

Forecast is for light rain tonight and tomorrow morning.

Then some heavy rain overnight Friday into Saturday morning.

Should then clear Saturday afternoon and be dry and bright on Sunday.

[the sniper]

This corner was damed by a well known photographer which made it seems a lot wetter than it was. Class corner though - some very big sideways moments there! Really warm today. Should all change tomorrow though.

I was there too! Bit of a moment for Matt Edwards I caught there: https://youtu.be/bZWNhoToawA

(I nearly caught some mud/rocks too!)

[EstWRC]

Morning guys

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#tyre info:

Citroën/Hyundai/Latvala/Lappi: 5 MICHELIN LTX Force S6
Tänak: 4S6 +1M6
Ogier: 3M6 +2S6
Evans/Suninen: 5 M6

#WRC #RallyGB

[the sniper]

I'm on the east side of Brenig. Really slippery/muddy over here.

[AnttiL]

I'm on the east side of Brenig. Really slippery/muddy over here.

Is it raining or looking like it will?

[EstWRC]

Lappi pissed off, it seems he had the handbrake issue with stalling again

[EstWRC]

Evans and Suninen with very good first part of the stage, looks like medium tyre works very well there

E: and EVans with a very good time in the end

[KKS]

it's very short stage to judge about correct or wrong tyre choise, but next long one will provide the answer

[RS]

Very nice time by Rovanpera, not so good for Tidemand.

[AnttiL]

Very nice time by Rovanpera, not so good for Tidemand.

Tidemand probably playing it safe for the championship, knowning a lot will happen in a rally like this

[RS]

Tidemand probably playing it safe for the championship, knowning a lot will happen in a rally like this

He can only get the title still if he goes to Australia i think?

[Allez Andruet]

Someone get this boy a World Rally Car!

[AnttiL]

He can only get the title still if he goes to Australia i think?

He needs to do another event, Spain or Australia, and he needs 28 points more than Kopecky. It's not yet confirmed whether Kopecky will do Spain or not (probably yes).

[Rallyper]

Morning friends!

About Rovanperä: his time will come within a couple of years. Be patient "Allez".

About Tidemand: Long rally to go... Much tactics.

[EstWRC]

calm down Ott

[Rallyper]

Does splits on WRC.com work for you?

[Eric]

Ott is flying. He must be on the limit with that speed

[René]

Does splits on WRC.com work for you?

Yes it works well for me...

[Rallyper]

Yes it works well for me...

Ok. My slow computer then ... ;(

Edit: Now working ok.

[RS]

He needs to do another event, Spain or Australia, and he needs 28 points more than Kopecky. It's not yet confirmed whether Kopecky will do Spain or not (probably yes).

True, although I think Pontus needs 32 points?

[AnttiL]

True, although I think Pontus needs 32 points?

Correct. My bad :) Or actually 33 points, I think he needs one more than Kopecky?

[EstWRC]

Ott is flying. He must be on the limit with that speed

nope...it would be stupid to go flat out right now

[BigWorm]

13 seconds dear lord

[EstWRC]

look at the difference of the mud on the cars. Tänaks car was completely muddy on side but Ogiers not so much

[RS]

Correct. My bad :) Or actually 33 points, I think he needs one more than Kopecky?

If Pontus wins here and in Spain or Oz he would have same number of wins as Kopecky but more second places (presuming Kopecky doesn’t win or finish second on either!)

[AnttiL]

Suninen doing well

[EstWRC]

Evans coming with great speed,,,just over a second down in final split

[Tarmop]

Evans also, but in the end they have to be in the right place...

[pantealex]

If Pontus wins here and in Spain or Oz he would have same number of wins as Kopecky but more second places (presuming Kopecky doesn’t win or finish second on either!)

Remember that 6/7 results will be counted. Pontus has one 2nd place and DNF, so his maximum is 5x25 +18 = 143points.
Kopecky has 125 (5x25)