Rallye WRC Monte Carlo 2019

[Eli]

What time is next stage starting?

17 Minutes and counting...

[NoName]

Latvala, meek, loeb, evans, lappi and suninen all have to go.. They are slower then Mikkelsen!! what a joke :p :spin:

[Lead]

Lets just wait for next two stages and then draw conclusions for today.

[dodge33cymru]

Shout out to the guy ragging the Citroen C2 R2 like it's his last day on earth (and risking it being so) and taking it to the 208s.

[dupanton]

Tidemand retired on ewrc...

[Rallyper]

What about Tidemand, offroad or technical

technical I Believe...

[EstWRC]

dry stage, C3 likes it, Ogier has 3 slick tyres with him. Let see

[denkimi]

Tidemand retired on ewrc...
Lappi too on the wrc app.

[EstWRC]

Neuville +2.3 split 1

[N.O.T]

Ogier just 4 seconds quicker than this morning while suninen was 10

[EstWRC]

Ott still so slow, mystery to me

[N.O.T]

Ott still so slow, mystery to me

maybe he does not want to relive the nightmare of sweeping the road in sweden

[EstWRC]

Tänak stopped

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Puncture from big cut.

[EstWRC]

a nightmare today for him

[deephouse]

Man where tanak stops. almost in the middle of the road

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I was just going to post 'Tanak taking huge cuts'.

[KKS]

курча!!!!

[N.O.T]

bye bye tanak...

[Essaj]

Man where tanak stops. almost in the middle of the road

3 min gaps so he can easily change it before the next car

Edit: Just correcting myself, actually just 2mins gap

[deephouse]

3 min gaps so he can easily change it before the next car

The way he drive now he will need another change

[EstWRC]

Ogier absolutely flying

[krissucool]

Tänak driving at snails pace and still managing to break the tire. Really strange.

[Essaj]

The way he drive now he will need another change

And sorry I was wrong, they have just 2min gaps. JML almost catched him

[JTGANG]

The way he drive now he will need another change

That is exactly what i was about to say....Driving like a mad man

[Tarmop]

:D
Snails pace. ok.

[N.O.T]

Loeb can gain a lot here.

[krissucool]

:D
Snails pace. ok.

Yeap. Offering no competition to Ogier today with the same tyres. For Tänak, that is snails pace.

[er88]

Didn't see it, did Tanak hit anything or take too big risks in massive cutting?

Or is this a Toyota problem? Meeke puncture in ss2 came from an apparent broken rim after not hitting anything in particular

[Simmi]

Prophetic from Ogier about not going for the aggressive cuts and risking punctures. Championship mentality.

[Tarmop]

Yeap. Offering no competition to Ogier today with the same tyres. For Tänak, that is snails pace.

You should try it yourself then. There are 11 top drivers in top cars, in Monte, times from one end to the other...

[er88]

Prophetic from Ogier about not going for the aggressive cuts and risking punctures. Championship mentality.Did he know about Tanak when he said that, no?

[deephouse]

Didn't see it, did Tanak hit anything or take too big risks in massive cutting?

Or is this a Toyota problem? Meeke puncture in ss2 came from an apparent broken rim after not hitting anything in particular

Look at the last year and his hard landing and cuts. If the stage have I don't know 5 or more that kind of impats the car will die soon. It will not run forever.

[krissucool]

You should try it yourself then.

I LITERALLY said for Tänak that is snail pace. For me and Mikkelsen that is rocket speed.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier again showing smart beats pure speed.

[Lead]

Loeb on a attack mode!

[Mintexmemory]

No - first interview (reply to er88)

[Tarmop]

Ogier again showing smart beats pure speed.

Except he is the fastest out there now and was at that time also...

[EstWRC]

so many experts out here now, lol

[N.O.T]

Except he is the fastest out there, and was at that time also...

neuville is the fastest in monte this year as he was last year and the year before... but he is a potato dog.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Except he is the fastest out there now and was at that time also...

But he said he's not flat out as not taking risks.

[Allez Andruet]

Ogier again showing smart beats pure speed.

He just has them both. The worst stage result he so far has in this rally is third.

[EstWRC]

Meeke stopped

[deephouse]

But he said he's not flat out as not taking risks.

Can't wait till Loeb will catch him. Then he will be shaking with his teeth.

[EstWRC]

Ott only a minute from Latvala, can climb up still

[Tarmop]

But he said he's not flat out as not taking risks.

They all tend to say that.

[N.O.T]

Can't wait till Loeb will catch him. Then he will be shaking with his teeth.

Loeb will not catch him by driving alone.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Come on Elfyn !

[EstWRC]

haha, Latvala so happy chap now

[N.O.T]

Loeb most likely 3rd after this one.

[N.O.T]

Makinen will enjoy the feeling of having meeke in his team this year.

[EstWRC]

Didn't see it, did Tanak hit anything or take too big risks in massive cutting?

Or is this a Toyota problem? Meeke puncture in ss2 came from an apparent broken rim after not hitting anything in particular

i didnt see anything special but didnt follow all the time when the camera showed him. so dunno.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Heard a bang on a cut...

[EstWRC]

Meeke also moving now so puncture for him too.

[Simmi]

The irony of Makinen saying he would pull his drivers out of the meet the crews this evening. And then Toyota have no one in the top three!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes Elfyn !!

[Päss1928]

i didnt see anything special but didnt follow all the time when the camera showed him. so dunno.

Some heavy cuts where the bottom of the car hit the road before he stopped. His answer to Colins question about how it happened also looked like a 5 year old kid lying through his teeth.

[deephouse]

The irony of Makinen saying he would pull his drivers out of the meet the crews this evening. And then Toyota have no one in the top three!

With his interviews like a 3 year old he is quite loud.

[N.O.T]

Loeb 3rd and another stage win... Evans lost a lot in the end.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

2-4 for M-Sports ... better.

[EstWRC]

Some heavy cuts where the bottom of the car hit the road before he stopped. His answer to Colins question about how it happened also looked like a 5 year old kid lying through his teeth.

okay then...stupid mistake from him then, sayin he has learned from last year but still bottoming out with the car.

watching the overall he can climb up to 4th maximum.

[mknight]

This does look strange for Toyota
- rims?
- drivers/styles?
- too fragile/risky car setup?
Or a bit of all 3?

[Norm75]

Meeke also moving now so puncture for him too.

Right rear wheel looks cleaner than the rest so wheel change in stage

[krissucool]

2-4 for M-Sports ... better.

Purely the tires.

[EstWRC]

Meeke sayin purely its the rims

[Rallyper]

Gus G doing fine as well.

[Norm75]

Meeke sayin purely its the rims

Toyota were testing with different (enkei?) rims so they obviously know there is a problem with them.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Purely the tires.

Ditto Loeb ?

[krissucool]

Ditto Loeb ?

Well yes. All 3 were slow on the last stage due to tires and fast on this stage due to tires.

After last stage you knew already who would be the top 2 on this stage if no accidents. So not much to read into it.

[ELPE]

technical I Believe...

Yes, broken wishbone for Tidemand

[Essaj]

Gotta give it to Gus, he could be just cruising to secure the pro win but he still wants to show some speed.

[Mirek]

Yes, broken wishbone for Tidemand

Since when do wishbones brake themselves?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Well yes. All 3 were slow on the last stage due to tires and fast on this stage due to tires.

After last stage you knew already who would be the top 2 on this stage if no accidents. So not much to read into it.

So why just point it out for the M-Sports...

[krissucool]

So why just point it out for the M-Sports...

Because you pointed out only M-Sport.

And I answered to your post.

[er88]

okay then...stupid mistake from him then, sayin he has learned from last year but still bottoming out with the car.

watching the overall he can climb up to 4th maximum.Think it's something Toyota themselves know they need to sort, if it's the rims again...

Unlucky for the guys

[able1]

Since when do wishbones brake themselves?

location of wishbone makes it vulnerable if cuts are deep and if wheel sinks into deep cut its easy to smash wishbone into edge of tarmac. That is probably reason behind why tanak did bigger cuts

[Rallyper]

Since when do wishbones brake themselves?

Fatigue, maybe?

Or what are you suggesting?

[EstWRC]

Think it's something Toyota themselves know they need to sort, if it's the rims again...

Unlucky for the guys

Definitely. They wouldn’t have tested other if it weren’t problem

[Japé]

Toyota were testing with different (enkei?) rims so they obviously know there is a problem with them.

How long it can take from professional team to fix rim quality issues with manufacturer? They have been investigating it for months already.

[AL14]

Come on Ott, he didn't need to take those cuts! 3rd was good, maybe Neuville would have made a mistake trying to fight with Seb and he could have been 2nd.
There are other rallys where he could have pushed the limit with more confidence. I thought he had learned this...

btw I don't know if it was the car I didn't follow the rally properly today.

[KKS]

Toyota were testing with different (enkei?) rims so they obviously know there is a problem with them.
And what they use now in Monte?

[EstWRC]

Did others also cut there or not ?

[Tarmop]

And what they use now in Monte?

Same what last year. OZ`s maybe?

[Norm75]

And what they use now in Monte?

Look like o.z racing wheels, same as the other manus, so strange it's only happening to Toyota. Probably see them with different make wheels in a couple rallies time.

[denkimi]

Fatigue, maybe?

Or what are you suggesting?
That he hit something.

And thats exactly what has happened. Wishbones on factory cars don't just break from fatigue, they only break on a hard sideways impact.

[Mirek]

location of wishbone makes it vulnerable if cuts are deep and if wheel sinks into deep cut its easy to smash wishbone into edge of tarmac. That is probably reason behind why tanak did bigger cuts


Fatigue, maybe?

Or what are you suggesting?

That it's not exactly a definition of technical problem. Suspension damage is most of the times a result of driving just like punctures. Most of the time you have to hit something, either once hard or many times less hard.

[Norm75]

Lots of cutting on last stage.
Haven't seen mentioned in here yet, the puddle of gearbox oil at end of last stage, Colin Clarke says from Meekes car.

[KKS]

Look like o.z racing wheels, same as the other manus, so strange it's only happening to Toyota. Probably see them with different make wheels in a couple rallies time.
Lappi broke OZ too
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxw3DOdXgAUV4ZO.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Did others also cut there or not ?

The heli was following Tanak and all his cuts did look especially big.

[Tarmop]

Lappi broke the whole front left, that`s understandable, that it can`t take such beating.

[Christos Kolperiadis]

Problems again with the wrc+???

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[Rallyper]

That it's not exactly a definition of technical problem. Suspension damage is most of the times a result of driving just like punctures. Most of the time you have to hit something, either once hard or many times less hard.

Until you or I have all information we have 50/50 right answer each. No further speculations.

[Ds3]

"I love" wrc+ fu fu fu

[Norm75]

Lappi broke OZ too
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxw3DOdXgAUV4ZO.jpg

Lappi twatted a rock, and broke not just wheel but driveshaft and wishbone, or as Budar calls it, a wheel triangle :)

[Eli]

Again WRC+ down.....

[Rallyper]

WRC+ down here as well.

[dodge33cymru]

Is SS8 running late?

[Norm75]

Don't think so, Ogier slower than Nueville by 1.5 at 1st split

[Christos Kolperiadis]

No splits, no wrc +... Wtf

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[stefanvv]

ice, ice, baby on this stage

[Norm75]

Now Ogier 4.7 down on neuville

[tigerlily]

For me, WRC+ is working on App(Android), still down on PC

[stefanvv]

Neuville has the better tyres now

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Some real icy patches but not bothering Neuville.

[stefanvv]

Someone mentioned snail pace, that's Ogier now, Neuville flying

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak faster than Ogier too.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier holds the lead overnight.

Ha ha the smile on Neuville ! :D

[stefanvv]

Good fight so far, I wish Tanak was in the mix

[steve.mandzij]

I just woke up after having missed my alarm to follow the rally, and what a day it looks to have been! I'm loving the huge gaps on the stages. Happy for Latvala to have regained his pace :)

Especially, shout out to Andreas, who's proven he can drive again.

Also, I was told to "calm down kid" when I said Tidemand was slow but apparently I wasn't the only one!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Loeb split time between Evans and Suninen.

[EstWRC]

Finally a good stage from Ott. Everything still possible. Podium definitely

But yeah, don’t remember when he had such a shit day.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans 8s faster than Loeb.

[T16]

Why is this thread being populated by comments describing what we can all see ourselves? It's like a running commentary.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Why is this thread being populated by comments describing what we can all see ourselves? It's like a running commentary.

WRC+ is down for many.

[Rallyper]

Mine working again since 15-20 min.

[Mintexmemory]

WRC+ is down for many.

True but even when it isn’t some people insist on posting c&p from magazine sites, or worse bad google translations of French, that we all really can do for ourselves.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good job by Gus Greensmith on a tricky day.

[dimviii]

True but even when it isn’t some people insist on posting c&p from magazine sites, or worse bad google translations of French, that we all really can do for ourselves.
if this site is ''c&p'' what are you doing here?
nobody forces you to login.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxwxk0EWkAAvC9e.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ha ha the smile on Neuville ! :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxxWIVCXcAARPBV.jpg

[Barreis]

it's funny that other top cars don't have broken rims except Meeke's :D

[Japé]

We have so many of these tarmac rallies with dirt playing big role that it would be really nice to see proper snowy conditions, not just couple icy patches in few places

[wia5958]

it's funny that other top cars don't have broken rims except Meeke's :D
Just lappi and tanak aswell

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak confirms maybe an issue with a weak wheel, like Meeke.

[er88]

Tanak saying it's the same problem for him and it's clear they need to do something about it.

Listening/watching @Barreis??

[AL14]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxxWIVCXcAARPBV.jpg

I've criticized him a lot of time but I enjoyed that. Hope he will keep this positive attitude.

[EstWRC]

Didn’t see the interview but read that Ott said they know where the problem is ?

They must fix it right now or it will be very costly for them.


Haha at neuville face. Love it.

[AL14]

Didn’t see the interview but read that Ott said they know where the problem is ?

They must fix it right now or it will be very costly for them.

If it is like this then I spoke too fast when I said that Ott took unnecessary risks. If so, I hope they will fix the issue but it should not have happened.

[ToughMac]

it's funny that other top cars don't have broken rims except Meeke's :D

It can't help when he is running so far back the road as well. It is more than just 'pollution' being dragged out it is more fairly sizeable stones. I find it kind of amusing that the wheels are starting to let go a lot more than the tyres but then again not nearly enough development has gone into wheels over tyres through the years.

[dimviii]

It can't help when he is running so far back the road as well. It is more than just 'pollution' being dragged out it is more fairly sizeable stones. I find it kind of amusing that the wheels are starting to let go a lot more than the tyres but then again not nearly enough development has gone into wheels over tyres through the years.

when road is more polluted you need to cut deeper.
about the rims,we dont know if its a rim factory problem,or TGR ordered them such as...

[Japé]

It is also a bit hard to understand why Tommi and Kaj are often downplaying the comments from their drivers. It doesn't even sound joking but more of a disrespecting. Sure drivers knows best what kind of hits car should / should not handle and they won't constantly take unnecessary risks. If rally after rally you are following the same cutting in lines as others and only your car is smashing the rims, it starts to break your nerves for sure.

[KKS]

https://youtu.be/9mfTsf0IqhA Nueville SS6 flatout

[dimviii]

Neuville making time after his overshoot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhCjZXP1SQ4

[deephouse]

It is also a bit hard to understand why Tommi and Kaj are often downplaying the comments from their drivers. It doesn't even sound joking but more of a disrespecting. Sure drivers knows best what kind of hits car should / should not handle and they won't constantly take unnecessary risks. If rally after rally you are following the same cutting in lines as others and only your car is smashing the rims, it starts to break your nerves for sure.

Then it's the same situation with Kris in Citroen and Lappi in Toyota. Man these two will be poor again.

[denkimi]

If the problem really is the rims, then why don't the other have the same problem?
Unless they ordered specially designed rims that are lighter and less strong.

[OHL]

If the problem really is the rims, then why don't the other have the same problem?
Unless they ordered specially designed rims that are lighter and less strong.

These are not wheels you buy off the shelf. Each team designs their wheel rim, tests them and then has them manufactured to their specifications.

[Allez Andruet]

I guess I have to give credit where credit's due... Never liked him as a driver, but Mikkelsen has done a superb job today. Especially with all the pressure he has to deliver some proper results this year. Sure it's Monte and there's plenty of stages to go, but well done anyway.

[DocMS]

it's funny that other top cars don't have broken rims except Meeke's :DAre you watching same rally as rest off us? Lappi and tanak also confirmed what meeke said


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[dimviii]

michelin video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ofrr-AiJ24

[denkimi]

These are not wheels you buy off the shelf. Each team designs their wheel rim, tests them and then has them manufactured to their specifications.
I don't believe they design anything about them besides the color.

It would make no sense to do that when there are big company's who are specialized in that. They don't design their own tyres of brake pads too.

[dimviii]

lolowrc05 video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UoW6uUWKaE

[Rally Power]

Big figth for the win and for P3; also for best R5. It’d be great to have a normal All Live day tomorrow, but probably that’s asking too much…

Btw, nice to hear that Sordo will run Rali Serras de Fafe, the Portuguese series opening event!

[olemann]

I guess I have to give credit where credit's due... Never liked him as a driver, but Mikkelsen has done a superb job today. Especially with all the pressure he has to deliver some proper results this year. Sure it's Monte and there's plenty of stages to go, but well done anyway.

Maybe I was wrong with you ;-)

[dimviii]

checkpoint rally video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpsTdbTMfqA

[doubled1978]

I guess I have to give credit where credit's due... Never liked him as a driver, but Mikkelsen has done a superb job today. Especially with all the pressure he has to deliver some proper results this year. Sure it's Monte and there's plenty of stages to go, but well done anyway.

I agree, Mikkelsen has surprised and done well after a shaky start. Same for Latvala, could have easily gone under after a few stages but has knuckled down and driven well today.

[Eric]

I guess I have to give credit where credit's due... Never liked him as a driver, but Mikkelsen has done a superb job today. Especially with all the pressure he has to deliver some proper results this year. Sure it's Monte and there's plenty of stages to go, but well done anyway.

I´ve always been a fan of Mikkelsen but yesterday was the first time I though Hyundai should replace him with someone else. He started in the same way he ended 2018 and it looked like there was no end to it.
Today he has proven himself to be a fast driver and if we look at Monte Carlo the last 3 years, he has actually done a good job every year. Second in 2016, first in 2017 (WRC 2) and in top 3 last year before the car broke down (correct me if im wrong on this one).

Let this guy get his confidence back, get the car more suited for himself and Loeb on tarmac and he will be on the podium many times this year. Mark my words.

[mknight]

I think you are all too hang up in the "as good as last rally" and tire choices.

Yesterday Mikkelsen and Loeb were only ones on same tires and were at same pace, quite far off the others on other tires.

Today Mikkelsen has similar speed as he had on Monte last year. I20 works well on bumpy and slippery/tricky tarmac, while it works quite bad on smooth/high grip tarmac (Shakedown here, Spain, Corsica, most of Germany).

So while he did good today it's not really much of a change.

[steve.mandzij]

I´ve always been a fan of Mikkelsen but yesterday was the first time I though Hyundai should replace him with someone else. He started in the same way he ended 2018 and it looked like there was no end to it.
Today he has proven himself to be a fast driver and if we look at Monte Carlo the last 3 years, he has actually done a good job every year. Second in 2016, first in 2017 (WRC 2) and in top 3 last year before the car broke down (correct me if im wrong on this one).

Let this guy get his confidence back, get the car more suited for himself and Loeb on tarmac and he will be on the podium many times this year. Mark my words.He's been very very quick today and won WRC2 by a landslide in 2017, not to mention he'd been pretty good in the Polo and quick in the C3 (albeit a little shaky when it came to leading a rally and converting speed into wins; Australia 2016 was a masterclass drive from him however).

It's very relieving to see him back on the place we all knew he had lurking somewhere.

Monte has been quite exciting in terms of pace too. Every driver (bar perhaps Suninen, but he hasn't been slow at all) has shown very good speed, even Evans. Sure enough, it is Monte after all, and strategy plays as big a part as anything, but it's refreshing to see large gaps go in a matter of kilometers and drivers go from joint stage win to being penultimate on the next. Very enjoyable rally so far!

[Tarmop]

I don't believe they design anything about them besides the color.

It would make no sense to do that when there are big company's who are specialized in that. They don't design their own tyres of brake pads too.

They give them ET and weight and probably other important specs. The difference can be big, like OEM manuf. producing A vs B-cat parts etc.

[dimviii]

nice rallyciak video
https://youtu.be/6L_xwwDxrok

[mknight]

nice rallyciak video
https://youtu.be/6L_xwwDxrok

In the 3 connected corners there are lots of people on places I would not consider safe. Some even on the road but those 2m from the road on a 1m bank are nowhere near safe either. If someone looses control he will hit the bank and roll over them. Hope this is not the position that some guy in the morning labeled as perfectly safe here.

EDIT: Also 1:32 standing on the road BEHIND 3-4 rows of people.

[satnav]

it's funny that other top cars don't have broken rims except Meeke's :D

Also interesting if you remember that on one of the pre monte tests they tested new rims on the Yaris after they had issues last year.

[Lead]

Why is this thread being populated by comments describing what we can all see ourselves? It's like a running commentary.
Those who follow at home in chair that is... but for guys who are at the stages - this forum is good source of information what is going on. WRC+ often doesnt work, so does splits from official site and so on. When spectating live in the woods, mountains, dessert any given information is gold (of course when there is internet access on your mobile).

EDIT: Speaking only from my own expierence.

[tc10a]

nice rallyciak video
https://youtu.be/6L_xwwDxrok

Very crazy video - completely stupid. Sometimes you wonder how it happens that there are thanks god not many accidents involving spectators

[Tarmop]

It is also a bit hard to understand why Tommi and Kaj are often downplaying the comments from their drivers. It doesn't even sound joking but more of a disrespecting. Sure drivers knows best what kind of hits car should / should not handle and they won't constantly take unnecessary risks. If rally after rally you are following the same cutting in lines as others and only your car is smashing the rims, it starts to break your nerves for sure.

Where did they blame the drivers?

I read Mäkinen talking about a reinforced rim they use in ADAC, that maybe it should be used also in Monte.

[Allez Andruet]

I think you are all too hang up in the "as good as last rally" and tire choices.

Yesterday Mikkelsen and Loeb were only ones on same tires and were at same pace, quite far off the others on other tires.

Today Mikkelsen has similar speed as he had on Monte last year. I20 works well on bumpy and slippery/tricky tarmac, while it works quite bad on smooth/high grip tarmac (Shakedown here, Spain, Corsica, most of Germany).

So while he did good today it's not really much of a change.

For a guy who apparently had to involve his lawyers in order to get a full time seat this year and who had a horrible start for this rally (nevermind it was due tire choice), I'd say his performance so far definitely deserves a honorable mention. I.e. he's facing pressure he never has had to cope with before in his career and so far he's delivering. For me it tells more than his 2017 alone.

[dimviii]

about Rovanpera

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxx94gWWwAE4BV2.jpg

[jparker]

In the 3 connected corners there are lots of people on places I would not consider safe. Some even on the road but those 2m from the road on a 1m bank are nowhere near safe either. If someone looses control he will hit the bank and roll over them. Hope this is not the position that some guy in the morning labeled as perfectly safe here.

EDIT: Also 1:32 standing on the road BEHIND 3-4 rows of people.

I think general public should not be allowed outside restricted areas, and only people who have an idea of rally safety to get permit to spectate at other places. This is just madness.

[Eric]

Im sure the "brigbackpaddon" people are having a bad day today... Thank god Paddon asked them to stop the BS they were doing on social media

[steve.mandzij]

about Rovanpera

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxx94gWWwAE4BV2.jpgI don't understand the penalty... He turned onto the wrong road and waited until when he had to check into TC to continue?

And anyway, it's probably correct to give the penalty, but if they stayed out of everybody's way and it was the fault of the unclear roadbook, not to mention that he's already 12 minutes behind his main rival, I think the penalty could have been spared.

[stefanvv]

only people who have an idea of rally safety to get permit to spectate at other places.

Where is that written? On Your forehead?

[hari]

Some pictures from Thursday / Friday: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc_rallye_monte_carlo_2019.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/monte2/13.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/monte2/2.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/monte2/26.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/monte2/1.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/monte2/7.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/monte2/30.jpg

[amilk]

any info about road conditions on tomorrows stages?

[dimviii]

tzrallye video
https://youtu.be/_3pZZFpsE1M

[RS]

Only 4 stages tomorrow?!

[Christos Kolperiadis]

Flat out from ss4.

Watch the onboards videos from that spot at wrc+. it is about the middle of the stage. Very impressive!


https://youtu.be/Wc10BG7Q6Dk

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[Mintexmemory]

if this site is ''c&p'' what are you doing here?
nobody forces you to login.

Not what I said - I appreciate English isn't your first language but try to read more slowly before jumping in.

[steve.mandzij]

Where is that written? On Your forehead?Why are you so toxic and negative?

[dimviii]

Not what I said - I appreciate English isn't your first language but try to read more slowly before jumping in.


True but even when it isn’t some people insist on posting c&p from magazine sites, or worse bad google translations of French, that we all really can do for ourselves.

what an smart a$$

[dimviii]

https://www.redbull.com/int-en/tv/video/AP-1XUGGAKY91W11/friday-highlights-monte-carlo?playlist=AP-1XUHA1PES1W11:live_programs

[Ross99]

Fortunato is driving the hell out of his decade and a half Citroen C2.

[AnttiL]

I don't understand the penalty... He turned onto the wrong road and waited until when he had to check into TC to continue?

There are two roads leading to the stage start. Kalle chose the wrong one and ended up between TC and start, and therefore reversed into the TC.

My interpretation of the situation. Green is the correct line, red what Kalle did.

https://i.imgur.com/72mWryO.jpg

EDIT: Actually the road on the left would have been the correct one...the junction is not in road book at all.

[steve.mandzij]

There are two roads leading to the stage start. Kalle chose the wrong one and ended up between TC and start, and therefore reversed into the TC.

My interpretation of the situation. Green is the correct line, red what Kalle did.

https://i.imgur.com/72mWryO.jpgThank you! Looks like an unfortunate oversight on the part of the organizers.

[mousti]

Pirelli crews in R5 class can't keep up with the Michelin crews.

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[mknight]

Highlights from highlights:

- quite a moment for Tanak on breaking yesterday (haven't seen that before, not the one with the fan video from outside)
- Meeke's SS2 puncture seemed to be caused by a loud impact in cut, todays wasn't shown

- Tanak puncture today wasn't very clear, multiple loud impacts but hard to pinpoint where it happened
- Lappi big impact in cut, Tidemand the same and looked like it was same section
- Mikkelsen with a moment on gravel on SS7
- quite a few shots with agressive driving from Ogier

[dimviii]

cliowilli96 video
https://youtu.be/hR1b3of50Mc

[EstWRC]

which highlights you mean, redbull or wrc plus?

[mknight]

which highlights you mean, redbull or wrc plus?

I was watching on WRC+ this time, but redbull is just an extra intro and different commentary at places but they always use same footage from stages.

EDIT: Actually this time Redbull cut-off the thursday part as well as quite a few shots from today.

[EstWRC]

so Mäkinen sayin that they have also stronger rims but they have used them only on rally germany but they are thinking to use them also on other tarmac rallies.

[mknight]

The question that begs itself.. why try to save a few kgs on rims and get punctures that cost them rallies and titles instead. (like in Spain)

[EstWRC]

i dont get it either.

same question with the car. theres a interview with Markko Märtin in estonian autosport magazine this week and his answer to the journalist questions about Toyota breaking down last year because maybe? Latvala and Tänak handled it so hard, he says he doesnt believe in it and its because of the cars design flaw and hopefully it will be repaired quickly.

[jparker]

The question that begs itself.. why try to save a few kgs on rims and get punctures that cost them rallies and titles instead. (like in Spain)
.... yet another question, why didn't he avoid cuts knowing about weak rims.

[mknight]

same question with the car. theres a interview with Markko Märtin in estonian autosport magazine this week and his answer to the journalist questions about Toyota breaking down last year because maybe? Latvala and Tänak handled it so hard, he says he doesnt believe in it and its because of the cars design flaw and hopefully it will be repaired quickly.

As I wrote numerous times I blame the setup(s) they use as well. In Turkey they ran stiffer springs (and likely also other changes) and were the only ones without any issues.... but then they weren't fast. Still there should be a possibility for some compromise.

[Micke_VOC]

Both Tidemand and Lappi hit the same rock on SS6, and it says that Meeke also hit that. (Not Tänak what i can see on the onboards)
Pontus had a great stage there, only Latvala who is faster on the onboards. (PT Equal time with Mikkelsen when he hit the rock)
Hope Pontus can show some pace tomorrow.

[stefanvv]

Why are you so toxic and negative?

How am I? Is there some sign marshals can decide who has common sense and stand on safe place, and who doesn't? What is the rule?

Security rule is - assume the worse situation with the passing car with the most stupid spectator possible. Then the chances something bad will happen are minimal.

[stefanvv]

what an smart a$$

Small English lesson - put "an" only before words starting with vocal letter.

[jparker]

How am I? Is there some sign marshals can decide who has common sense and stand on safe place, and who doesn't? What is the rule?

Security rule is - assume the worse situation with the passing car with the most stupid spectator possible. Then the chances something bad will happen are minimal.

Your brain function in a very unusual way.

[stefanvv]

Your brain function in a very unusual way.

Interesting, I hope so.

[GravelBen]

The question that begs itself.. why try to save a few kgs on rims and get punctures that cost them rallies and titles instead. (like in Spain)

Because lighter wheels = less unsprung weight = better performance and handling, and they obviously thought they would be strong enough after testing them.

I remember a quote (maybe not the exact words but the general meaning) once from a Porsche engineer at Le Mans - he said "If something breaks you made it too light, if it doesn't break you made it too heavy".

[er88]

Can't understand why they'd use stronger rims for Germany and then not here. Especially after what happened to Tanak in Spain. Doesn't make sense to me and the weight gain can't be such a big difference that it massively effects performance?!

Take out Tanak's puncture and Meeke's two and they'd both be well in the mix for a podium.

[KKS]

Morning guys. Any info about weather conditions on stages?

[KKS]

Morning guys. Any info about weather conditions on stages?
Snow and ice on 1st stage and icy patches on 2nd

[EstWRC]

Morning guys. Any info about weather conditions on stages?

Morning. This is from first stage https://twitter.com/juanjolopez85/status/1089049899927261184?s=21

Looks like fun!!!

[HarriK]

Start list:
http://acm.mc/wp-content/themes/acm/dwldoc.php?doc=3122481&lg=en

[EstWRC]

#tyre info - Day 3 morning - SS9 & SS10

Toyota/Citroën/Evans/Suninen: 4 MICHELIN Pilot Alpin (PA) studded + 2 MICHELIN Pilot Sport Super Soft (SS6)

Hyundai: 4 PA studded + 2 S6

Tidemand: 5 PA studded

[KKS]

no tyre gamble for this loop

[René]

From Ice crews ES9 at 60% ice and frost!

[Japé]

i dont get it either.

same question with the car. theres a interview with Markko Märtin in estonian autosport magazine this week and his answer to the journalist questions about Toyota breaking down last year because maybe? Latvala and Tänak handled it so hard, he says he doesnt believe in it and its because of the cars design flaw and hopefully it will be repaired quickly.

Then when you count all electronical issues from last two years, radiator related issues, gearbox related, car destroying itself when driving through shallow water, etc

[Mirek]

Doesn't make sense to me and the weight gain can't be such a big difference that it massively effects performance?

Unsprung weight is not just weight. It makes a big difference. You can not compare it to a weight of stuff in the boot. Everything what is between the road and the springs makes much bigger difference.

[Päss1928]

All live not working again?


E: Was bugged, working now.

[dimviii]

Good morning guys!

another photo from ss 9

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx0fZPDWoAAFfyH.jpg

[EstWRC]

ahh this is stage where everybody went onto the field last year

[René]

Start order

Tidemand
Lappi
Suninen
Meeke
Tanak
Evans
Loeb
Latvala
Mikkelsen
Neuville
Ogier

[KKS]

https://twitter.com/SebastienLoeb/status/1089065075674099712

hah)))

[Lead]

Only two stages, but could be tricky day.

[AnttiL]

ahh this is stage where everybody went onto the field last year

A tricky junction after a long straight near the end. Also Neuville and Lappi had moments last year on the middle section

[dimviii]

Michelin's 'ice noters' produce a graphic of the conditions are driving through each stage. There's a bit of everything on SS9 - snow, ice, damp, dry...

⚠ Studded Michelins highly recommended!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx0j1BKWoAAEGuE.jpg

[EstWRC]

puncture for Tidemand

[TypeR]

interesting, Tänak slower than Meeke

[Rallyper]

Morning guys. Not a good start for Pontus.

Well, he has just to gain experience. And hopefully some good stagetimes ...

[dimviii]

Lappi stopped

[KKS]

What Lappi said before pull over?

[Rallyper]

What did they say in car for Lappi? He just stopped. He´s out.

[Augury]

What did they say in car for Lappi? He just stopped. He´s out.

Could only make out "No warning or anything". Engine failure I suppose.

[dimviii]

live link
https://www.twitch.tv/flashday

[EstWRC]

Ott had 0 km/H quite a while but his splits are okay

[dimviii]

Neuville on fire

[Lead]

No splits from Loeb this morning.

[EstWRC]

Tänak will get close to Evans and Latvala with this

[er88]

Ogier looked ragged there

[EstWRC]

Great time Kris!

[EstWRC]

ohhhh Ogier nearly off the road

[dimviii]

wow big moment for Ogier!

[er88]

Ogier looked ragged thereAnd even more wild further up the road :D. Taking risks

[mousti]

Quite lucky there. Probably had some black ice there.

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[er88]

Meeke and Tanak on same pace. Good drives

[EstWRC]

Tänak past Evans with this stage and gains a lot on others too

[er88]

Evans got problems

[mousti]

Evans seems to have some lack of power or puncture...

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[EstWRC]

Evans with a puncture but right choice not to change it

[KKS]

another broken OZ rim

[T16]

I have a feeling Mr Wilson would rather Evans have dropped a bit more time than rip the back of the car to bits...

[Rallyper]

If Pontus want to gain as many K´s as possible, why choose only one spare? Crazy!

[T16]

another broken OZ rim

On Evans' car?

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx0tEHGV4AA0TJF.jpg

[KKS]

On Evans' car?
yep

[HarriK]

Rovanperä stopped

[EstWRC]

Meeke and Tänak have been class of their own on this stage, what a shame about their punctures

[er88]

Think Latvala might struggle this year in terms of pace against Tanak and Meeke

[KKS]

Thierry start to drop time to Ogier (

[er88]

Tanak is going to get upto 3rd today if he doesn't make any mistakes

[EstWRC]

lol Mikkelsen went off flying finish and rally over

[T16]

Sordo wouldn't have done that

[KKS]

Mikkelsen crashed in Galli style

[er88]

Mikkelsen!!!!

[er88]

What an idiot

[T16]

yep

You're kidding right?... how can you possibly know what came first? (Puncture or rim?)

[KKS]

Neuville nearly do the same

[EstWRC]

Ogier might take this stage still, the ending is dry and he is just 4 secs from Ott in final split

[mknight]

Sordo wouldn't have done that

Sordo crashed out on exactly same stage last year about 7km in. So no Sordo would have crashed earlier ;)