German GP 2018

[Bagwan]

Let's get this thing started .

With Hammy now signed , and not Bottas , and silly season fully in swing , we go to Germany , where Torro Rosso will be sanctioned , and team Willy will sport a new front wing , which will solve everything .

Away we go .

[Bagwan]

"Mbappe" to you , too , Tazzy .

A day later , Valterie signed , and Ricciardo fast and quickly heading to the back of the grid .

[N4D13]

If you thought that McLaren couldn't get any worse after last fortnight's British GP, you might just be in for a surprise.

[Tazio]

If you thought that McLaren couldn't get any worse after last fortnight's British GP, you might just be in for a surprise.I think tomorrow they will move up, as they were experimenting with new parts today

[N4D13]

I think tomorrow they will move up, as they were experimenting with new parts today
Let's hope so. It's not like they can move down much now anyway.

The rain should help shake things up, which should be nice for them, particularly for Alo.

[Tazio]

Oh no the boss!

[Starter]

After qualifying and given the first lap kerfuffles of the last few races, we could see a Haas on the podium.

[Bagwan]

After qualifying and given the first lap kerfuffles of the last few races, we could see a Haas on the podium.

Or , both of them in that first lap kufferfel , putting Hammy on the podium .

[N4D13]

I'm putting my money on Grosjean mistiming his braking at the hairpin after Parabolika and wiping out most cars in front of him, except for Bottas, who then loses the win for whatever reason outside of his control.

That would pave the way for a Lewis win ahead of the bulls. :p

[Tazio]

I'm putting my money on Grosjean mistiming his braking at the hairpin after Parabolika and wiping out most cars in front of him, except for Bottas, who then loses the win for whatever reason outside of his control.

That would pave the way for a Lewis win ahead of the bulls. :pI don't know if even Rogro is capable of that level of carnage, but a collision is a distinct possibility!:rolleyes:

[airshifter]

I don't know if even Rogro is capable of that level of carnage, but a collision is a distinct possibility!:rolleyes:

I think he is capable of that much carnage, it's just that usually he's only punting one car at a time lately. It's actually rather scary to have him so far up in the field.


Lewis goes off roading and suffers. Ricciardo will also be charging from the back of the field.

Both Renault cars in the top 10.

Both Haas cars in the top 10.

And every single one of the cars in the top 10 went faster than the old lap record.


I think we might be in for a race with a lot of passing going on.

[Tazio]

Dawgz, looking like some rain in the race.....dawgz:dog:
https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1020925242682888192/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwte rm%5E1020925242682888192&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwi tter.min.html%231020925242682888192

[Tazio]

And here we gooo!

[Tazio]

Vettel choke, Wow!

[steveaki13]

OMG Vettel chucking it at the scenery with a win in his grasp :confused:

[steveaki13]

Bloody lapped runners gonna waste 3 laps of this race :mad:

[N4D13]

Well, I got to guess the winner! :p

[airshifter]

Interesting race to say the least.

That rain was just enough to really mess with the entire field, and it seems that strategies were already spread out fairly well. On lap 47-48 we had all five tire types on track at the same time. I think Sainz ended the race on inters, and RB was one of the teams that got punked expecting more rain as well.

Mercedes was decisive and put Lewis on the ultra's, and reaped the benefit of doing so. Ferrari stayed calm and went with the ultra's as well, but in the end Kimi had no fight for Valterri. I'm not quite sure what might have changed if they let Bottas attack Lewis, but it looked like Lewis had more than enough tire left to fight him off. Great recovery by Lewis, as well as Max making back up for the bad pit call. And amazing tire management by Lewis over that first stint. Overall a very solid race by Kimi, and in the end he might have lost 2nd place due to the Ferrari call to let Seb by. I actually got a chuckle out of the fact that Kimi made them state in clear orders that he had to yield to Seb. :laugh:

Great drive by Hulk, solid results for both Force India drivers, and I'm flat out shocked that Grosjean finished up in 6th place. Hartley and Erricson also in the points, and that just goes to show how crazy the race really was.

Shame for Ricciardo. Though those tires seemed like the odd choice, I think if the car had stayed on track then the long stop strategy might have really paid off and put him back in the hunt up front.

[Zico]

Uh oh.. Lewis summoned to the Stewards office for crossing the pit lane entry line.

Anyone else think they might hit him with a time penalty to take his 1st place off him?

[The Black Knight]

Uh oh.. Lewis summoned to the Stewards office for crossing the pit lane entry line.

Anyone else think they might hit him with a time penalty to take his 1st place off him?

Yeah, I was afraid of that. He might get a 5 second penalty added onto his time which would classify him as 2nd. Raikkonen got the same two years ago.

That aside, what a great season 2018 is! Vonstant swapping at the top of the championship. Can’t remember a season like this before. Great entertainment. Can’t understand why we’d change the rules when it is this close only to gap the entire field again. Anytime I’ve been watching F1 it was usually two teams could win races. Now any of 6 drivers can win any race. Best season i can remember.

[Zico]

Wow... he keeps his victory! Rules are rules and I'm not seeing much consistency in the stewards decisions but I suppose he does still deserve the win... would have been very harsh to take it away from him after such a great drive.

[Tazio]

Wow... he keeps his victory! Rules are rules and I'm not seeing much consistency in the stewards decisions but I suppose he does still deserve the win... would have been very harsh to take it away from him after such a great drive.Yeah, great drive by the McBoss! :dork:
Plus we didn't have to listen to seb spouting "grazie mille":rolleyes:

[airshifter]

Personally I think in the interest of consistency that certain rules should have automatic penalties, but they should also be applied immediately. As example crossing the pit line might be 5 seconds if done with no cars in the vicinity such as today, but a larger penalty if cars are within X seconds. Not having the consistency is what brings the decisions into question on a regular basis.


I'd hate to see any driver miss out on a win after a drive like Lewis had today, but those are the types of rules that allow people to try to degrade his drive and claim bias.





Yeah, great drive by the McBoss! :dork:
Plus we didn't have to listen to seb spouting "grazie mille":rolleyes:

Seb's cool down laps just irritate the crap out of me. Between the Italian and the "ring-ding-ding" sounds he just comes off as weird to me. To top it off, it just doesn't come across as sincere and real either.


The Boss has shown in the last couple of races why he commands that seat. He's really had some great come from the back of the pack drives.

[Duncan]

Great race!

I think the stewards had no real option to award Lewis any actual time penalty, having not announced there was an investigation until after the race finished. Given that Lewis was just under 5 seconds in the lead, and could have made the gap beyond 5 seconds had he known that a penalty was likely, would have made it very harsh to take the win away after the fact.

Shame for Seb; looks like he just got caught by the variable grip level around the track.

[N. Jones]

I guess this is Hamilton's championship to lose. Vettel goofed and he knew it. Only a retirement and a Vettel win will put him back in contention.
I also really like Kimi's consistency on the podium. While I wish he would win a race again I think he knows he is the #2 on the team.

[zako85]

The main takeaways from the German GP are these:

First, as we have observed many times, Vettel has a tendency to make more mistakes than Hamilton. My subjective belief before the season was that Hamilton had about 60% probability of winning this season's title, and this belief still remains the same.

Second, the team orders confirmed once again the number-two status of Bottas and Raikkonen within the respective teams. These guys are fast enough and they are good team players. So let's drop these speculations that supposedly the likes of Ricciardo will be able to move into either Ferrari or Mercedes.

[Starter]

The main takeaways from the German GP are these:

First, as we have observed many times, Vettel has a tendency to make more mistakes than Hamilton. My subjective belief before the season was that Hamilton had about 60% probability of winning this season's title, and this belief still remains the same.

Second, the team orders confirmed once again the number-two status of Bottas and Raikkonen within the respective teams. These guys are fast enough and they are good team players. So let's drop these speculations that supposedly the likes of Ricciardo will be able to move into either Ferrari or Mercedes.
I agree. Unless Kimi chooses to retire at the end of the season, I expect Ricciardo to be back to be back with Red Bull.

[Tazio]

Seb's crash made me think of this blunderbuss.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR0YuRX1770

[The Black Knight]

I have a question for the folk here, is Vettel the first driver to ever crash out from the lead of a race in his home Grand Prix due to driver error?

I can't think of anyone else that did that at their home Grand Prix before.

[Starter]

I have a question for the folk here, is Vettel the first driver to ever crash out from the lead of a race in his home Grand Prix due to driver error?

I can't think of anyone else that did that at their home Grand Prix before.
I'm not sure about the home GP, but more than a couple have crashed out of the lead. And don't forget, I think it was Mansell, who lost a race on the last lap because he thought he had it in the bag and slowed down to wave at the crowd. Got passed just before the flag.

[greencroft]

Senna in the 1988 Monaco GP had one of his more famous crashes after leading for the whole race and whilst under no pressure whatsoever (apart from himself). It was sort of his home GP, as he lived there and reportedly disappeared back to his apartment after the incident.

[The Black Knight]

I'm not sure about the home GP, but more than a couple have crashed out of the lead. And don't forget, I think it was Mansell, who lost a race on the last lap because he thought he had it in the bag and slowed down to wave at the crowd. Got passed just before the flag.

I am pretty sure he is the only driver to so it while in the lead in his home race. I can’t find any other time it has happened. Has happened loads of times while in the lead of the race.

[The Black Knight]

Senna in the 1988 Monaco GP had one of his more famous crashes after leading for the whole race and whilst under no pressure whatsoever (apart from himself). It was sort of his home GP, as he lived there and reportedly disappeared back to his apartment after the incident.

Nah, Brazil was his home race. Just like Silverstone is Hamilton’s even though he lives in Monaco.

[truefan72]

Seb's crash made me think of this blunderbuss.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR0YuRX1770

lol
"The wall absorbs the impact but will not absolve the shame...."

[Nitrodaze]

I guess this is Hamilton's championship to lose. Vettel goofed and he knew it. Only a retirement and a Vettel win will put him back in contention.
I also really like Kimi's consistency on the podium. While I wish he would win a race again I think he knows he is the #2 on the team.

I think it is still too early to call. Ferrari has the measure of Mercedes at the moment. Ferrari have the fastest car at the moment, so Vettel can recover. I think it is Vettel's to lose and Hamilton is simply taking advantage of any weakness shown by Ferrari and Vettel. The Mercedes seem to be slower than the Ferrari on the straights.

That said, the Mercedes strategy at this race was spot on. Shame it did not work out for Bottas.

[Duncan]

I think it is still too early to call. Ferrari has the measure of Mercedes at the moment. Ferrari have the fastest car at the moment, so Vettel can recover. I think it is Vettel's to lose and Hamilton is simply taking advantage of any weakness shown by Ferrari and Vettel. The Mercedes seem to be slower than the Ferrari on the straights.

That said, the Mercedes strategy at this race was spot on. Shame it did not work out for Bottas.

Yeah, the Ferrari definitely looks to be faster at this point. Aside from Seb's brainfade and the bungled stop for Bottas, Hamilton made the race his by somehow looking after a set of tyres for an absurdly long stint, whilst carving through most of the field. Great performance from him under pressure.

But yes, I concur that it's way too early to call. Despite the points deficit, I think Seb is in the better position.

Exciting times! We actually don't yet know who's going to win!

[Tazio]

lol
"The wall absorbs the impact but will not absolve the shame....":laugh: