Rally Mexico 2018

[wrc2017]

only if the whole stage is protected with armco barrier at both sides i would give an order to Meeke to attack.
seriously now,given Meekes past,he has to settle for 2nd.
Meeke had a mega time on
next stage,first pass. I expect him to try same again and see what happens.

[N.O.T]

He, he. It looks the rally forum isn’t moderated by anyone. I just thought to give a disgusting reply to that kid and see what happens. I’ve no problems if I get banned from this forum because the quality has been very low lately.

This is a very nice example of a broken man... a man so badly broken by years and years of ridicule by Loeb and then Ogier that he just does not care...

The Finnish were nothing and this man proves it... when they had the upper hand with all their paper fabricated champions they were kind and nice...

but their true colours showed once Loeb and the other guys started their dominance and they turned the term of a finnish rally driver to be a title of disgrace and maybe a pub joke at best.

They were mice all along... broken little mice who thought that they would dominate with their managers for all time...

things change...

LOL.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not really. Miserably collected title, due to other teams playing stupid. It's far away from legendary domination of cars like Lancia, Toyota, Subaru, C4, and Mitsu.
Malcolm just got lucky this time.

Bitterness just eats you up. Sad.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ford Performance
‏@FordPerformance
#WRC | @SebOgier has taken the lead at #RallyMexico!

[macebig]

Come on, guys. Do you seriously believe that Meeke will settle for second just like that? The guy came 4th in RMC and was totally disappointed.He had noone around him in Sweden and kept pushing till a snowbank bit him. Meeke will go for it. Fingers crossed he doesn't bin it.

[satukata]

the driving is over, see you on the power stage.


Top 3 drivers are flat out next stage! Sordo have nothing to lose and meeke don´t play safe game!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Come on, guys. Do you seriously believe that Meeke will settle for second just like that? The guy came 4th in RMC and was totally disappointed.He had noone around him in Sweden and kept pushing till a snowbank bit him. Meeke will go for it. Fingers crossed he doesn't bin it.

Worth the risk though ? If he does bin it Citroen will be furious.

[N.O.T]

Top 3 drivers are flat out next stage! Sordo have nothing to lose and meeke don´t play safe game!

ok if you say so...

[macebig]

Worth the risk though ? If he does bin it Citroen will be furious.

A leopard can't change its spots.

[wrc2017]

Worth the risk though ? If he does bin it Citroen will be furious.
if ogier bins it.. malcolm will take the damage bill out of his wages

[EstWRC]

just woke up and read what has happened in the meantime....

well.., was fun until it lasted.

and who comes out of the top, Mr.Ogier like always!

[KKS]

Oh my GOD! I had to move away for some hour and I missed all drama!!! Pity

[AL14]

just woke up and read what has happened in the meantime....

well.., was fun until it lasted.

and who comes out of the top, Mr.Ogier like always!

You were sleeping now? :D

[danon]

https://s5.postimg.org/adsrcj6cl/image.jpg

[EstWRC]

You were sleeping now? :D

unfortunately yeah :D because i have to work now until Sunday midday and then a long 3 hour drive to home

[stefanvv]

Via @KiwiWRCfan
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX9PbIzVMAE2OOR.jpg

That table seem changed a bit after only 3 stages.

[stefanvv]

@MSportLtd
�� SS14 @SebOgier - “I was pushing hard in this one. Someone in front hit a dog but I saved the second one and nearly went off for that. But it was worth it because otherwise I would lose my marriage!”


He even saves sick dogs... what a man. ;)

He saved another on MC. We can nominate him as "animal's friend".

[dimviii]

FILTER:
SAT 16:21 - SS15: NEUVILLE
We're hearing that the Belgian has slid off the road and clouted a bank for the second time in as many stages. Estimates are that he's lost around 10 sec.

[EstWRC]

Tänak confirmed that he will restart tomorrow

[Mintexmemory]

So ‘playtime’ is over - tourists and experience day drivers can enjoy the scenery.

[OldF]

This is a very nice example of a broken man... a man so badly broken by years and years of ridicule by Loeb and then Ogier that he just does not care...

The Finnish were nothing and this man proves it... when they had the upper hand with all their paper fabricated champions they were kind and nice...

but their true colours showed once Loeb and the other guys started their dominance and they turned the term of a finnish rally driver to be a title of disgrace and maybe a pub joke at best.

They were mice all along... broken little mice who thought that they would dominate with their managers for all time...

things change...

LOL.

You know, I’m retired from working life and now I’m enjoying my life and have some more time to spend with my grandkids when their parents want to have some of their own time.

Just wondering when you yourself have insulted for example calling Welsh people cheap or whatever and British people. Maybe it’s because they kicked you out of GB.

Rallying is just a tiny part of my life.

[steve.mandzij]

Anonimo timekeeping is trash, my goodness...

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

How does Meeke compute those notes ??

[wrc2017]

How does Meeke compute those notes ??

wholy shit.. this is riveting viewing. honestly.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Both are really going for it !

[dimviii]

So ‘playtime’ is over - tourists and experience day drivers can enjoy the scenery.


i have a feeling that we are going to listen plenty of bullshit at this topic.

its coming.......

[AL14]

unfortunately yeah :D because i have to work now until Sunday midday and then a long 3 hour drive to home

I thought it was like: "Tanak has retired? Screw it, let's take a nap". :D

[dimviii]

here we go

SAT 16:34 - SS15: MEEKE
The Citroën driver has a had a bit of a moment in this one! Pushing hard, the rear of his C3 has stepped out and in a fast right-hand bend and he's swiped the bank at the side of the road.

[EstWRC]

well it basically was, if he had continued then i had stayed up, lol

[wrc2017]

Dani looks to be out of the running +6s first split

[Lead]

Dani looks to be out of the running +6s first split

Maybe something with the car... too much time lost for the first split only.

[wrc2017]

here we go

SAT 16:34 - SS15: MEEKE
The Citroën driver has a had a bit of a moment in this one! Pushing hard, the rear of his C3 has stepped out and in a fast right-hand bend and he's swiped the bank at the side of the road.

have you been watching Ogier... ?!

[stefanvv]

...

Ogier seem to had a "moment" there.

[EstWRC]

nice first split from Maestro

[dimviii]

have you been watching Ogier... ?!

so is it a mistake from wrc? or both had a moment?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No Ogier splits so often is doing my head in...

[wrc2017]

so is it a mistake from wrc? or both had a moment?

Ogier whacked the bank on the right hander, so did Meeke

[EstWRC]

all live this isnt funny that you arent showing splits for Meeke and Ogier

[steve.mandzij]

Latvala with engine issues again. I hope this doesn't carry on to Argentina too.

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good time by Ogier.

[er88]

Seb and Meeke looked to both have moments. Maybe best for both if they pack it in and take the pts

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[dimviii]

Good time by Ogier.

he said there is no cleaning,just driving at this stage.

[dimviii]

Seb and Meeke looked to both have moments. Maybe best for both if they pack it in and take the pts

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Neuville too.

[stefanvv]

Ogier was really mad at this stage, insane.

[dimviii]

Meeke + 30 sec!

[EstWRC]

Meeke +30 seconnds

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Biiiig loss Meeke

[the sniper]

Game over...

[er88]

Meeke lost big time

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[EstWRC]

spin again....

[KKS]

Another spin for Meeke....(((((

[er88]

3rd spin of the weekend and wrongish tyre choice for Meeke. Silly little mistakes but pace been very good and maybe he'll still get a good points haul

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[wrc2017]

agghhh.. too many small spins for meeke.

[EightGear]

Stupid silly mistakes by Meeke really costing him.

[wrc2017]

looks like meeke will still hold 2nd... sordo +14 at split 3

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Least he hasnt binned it. Solid points now Kris.

[wrc2017]

Stupid silly mistakes by Meeke really costing him.

could be something simple like diff setup or brake bias.

[wrc2017]

Danni +24s

[dimviii]

agghhh.. too many small spins for meeke.

thats why i said he has to settle for 2nd.Doesnt have to risk an ''easy'' 2nd place,when you have next rally Corsica where he can play the win and the most points.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS15 Seb's 1-2 ;)

[wrc2017]

thats why i said he has to settle for 2nd.Doesnt have to risk an ''easy'' 2nd place,when you have next rally Corsica where he can play the win and the most points.

yes, but I think he atleast tried to give it a go there. now 2nd...

[wrc2017]

Neuville..... whacked the bank and in ditch! he really does play with fire.

[the sniper]

So many small offs for Neuville today, he's been lucky...

[dimviii]

Neuville..... whacked the bank and in ditch! he really does play with fire.

SAT 16:39 - SS15: NEUVILLE
He's completed in 20m15.4sec, that's 31sec faster than he managed in the same test this morning. "I tried a new diff mapping and it suddenly locked the wheels and we hit the bank. I've now changed the map back because it wasn't working."

[KKS]

Neuville and Meeke definitely finding what place will be best to crash

[wwbroe]

SAT 16:39 - SS15: NEUVILLE
He's completed in 20m15.4sec, that's 31sec faster than he managed in the same test this morning. "I tried a new diff mapping and it suddenly locked the wheels and we hit the bank. I've now changed the map back because it wasn't working."

Last moment he had was in the stage he is in now

[KKS]

Neuville pucnture! RL!

[wrc2017]

SAT 16:39 - SS15: NEUVILLE
He's completed in 20m15.4sec, that's 31sec faster than he managed in the same test this morning. "I tried a new diff mapping and it suddenly locked the wheels and we hit the bank. I've now changed the map back because it wasn't working."

that was ss15, he was off on 16

[KKS]

And probably RR as well

[OldF]

While I agree that this forum is hardly moderated anymore and you can insult basically anyone here without any consequences I think bringing the quality to even lower is not a good move. Pity. Didn't thought that you could be that kind of a person.

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Just got pissed off. That’s it.

[cali]

Just got pissed off. That’s it.Doesn't really justify... But ok

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great job today by Ogier and no car issues whatsoever in tough conditions.

[focus206]

it's like Neuville really cannot bring himself to cruise and drive without excessive risks... retiring from 6th in no man's land would be pretty stupid...

[steve.mandzij]

Second time in recent memory that Latvala pushes maximum maximum and still gets comfortably beaten by the rest :(

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

@SebOgier... "It's been a perfect day, I pushed as hard as I could and we can be very happy with what we've done today. I like a lot this stage. It's quite slippy now because we have a lot of tyre wear, and with the gap I have I didn’t push completely, but it’s a beautiful one"

[OldF]

Doesn't really justify... But ok

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I know but still.

[wwbroe]

So, now only some short super special stages left today, nothing interesting, i am going to take a nap.;)

[the sniper]

Suninen nearly made another sick dog there...

[dimviii]

best sport of the world
https://twitter.com/DanosElena/status/972614946738622465

[EstWRC]

eWRC-results liked

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@RallyingUK
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If Sébastien Ogier wins @RallyMexico 2018, it will be his second win on gravel in an M-Sport Fiesta WRC. #WRC

just realised this...it was portugal last year that the won, almost a year ago..when speaking about gravel events.

[KKS]

Michelin Day2 video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnI1dtmJUFc

[janvanvurpa]

While I agree that this forum is hardly moderated anymore and you can insult basically anyone here without any consequences I think bringing the quality to even lower is not a good move. Pity. Didn't thought that you could be that kind of a person.

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I see Old F post as a fitting response to an insulting post.....he didn't randomly insult a whole country or like that Greek troglodyte troll just call people "faggots" with NOT a comment..

Relax, this isn't kindergarten here.

[Norm75]

I see Old F post as a fitting response to an insulting post.....he didn't randomly insult a whole country or like that Greek troglodyte troll just call people "faggots" with NOT a comment..

Relax, this isn't kindergarten here.
No it's a public forum.
I see it as a childish comment from someone claiming to be a grandparent.
Would he be proud if his grandchild read the comment. Possibly not (same goes for the comment that provoked it)

[EstWRC]

caption this


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX-Ek7XX4AAa1mF.jpg

[racerx1979]

Via @KiwiWRCfan
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX9PbIzVMAE2OOR.jpg

Not including powerstage points this could be interesting. Hyundai will most certainly win the Manu at this rate.

[KiwiWRCfan]

caption this


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX-Ek7XX4AAa1mF.jpg

I tell you Hyundai are rising above us

[KiwiWRCfan]

Virtual Manufacturer & driver points after SS16, no changes after SS19
https://twitter.com/KiwiWRCfan/status/972617580882964480
Hyundai may want to use team orders with Sordo and Mikkelsen if positions remain as they currently are

[Mintexmemory]

...

You clearly believe your own bullshit to be glittery gold and smell of spring flowers. If you don’t like it coming back stop throwing it out. A simple acknowledgement that you badly misjudged how Ogier’s rally was going would be a welcom innovation :)

[A FONDO]

@SebOgier... "It's been a perfect day, I pushed as hard as I could and we can be very happy with what we've done today. I like a lot this stage. It's quite slippy now because we have a lot of tyre wear, and with the gap I have I didn’t push completely, but it’s a beautiful one"

https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/44257-rally-guanajuato-mexico-2018/?leg=2

Finally the Ogier we began liking back in the years.

[A FONDO]

M-Sport Ford World Rally Team’s Sébastien Ogier and Julien Ingrassia have taken a commanding lead at Rally Mexico. Delivering a stunning drive behind the wheel of their EcoBoost-powered Ford Fiesta WRC, the pairing were in a league of their own today – pushing hard and transforming a 30 second deficit into more than a 30 second advantage at the head of the field.

Team Principal, Malcolm Wilson OBE, said:

“Extraordinary. That is the only word to describe Sébastien’s performance today. I could sense at lunchtime that there was a glint in his eye and that he was really going to attack. That’s what he did and he’s ended up with a 35.9 second lead at the end of the day.

“It was a truly incredible drive – just Sébastien and Julien at their absolute best.

“There are still three very demanding stages to go, and anything can happen, but I have no doubt in Sébastien’s ability to deliver. The pressure is on us now and we need to ensure that he and Julien have everything they need to secure the result.”

[Ucci]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/44257-rally-guanajuato-mexico-2018/?leg=2

Finally the Ogier we begin liking back in the years.
Same as with VW domination...

[KKS]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/44257-rally-guanajuato-mexico-2018/?leg=2

Finally the Ogier we began liking back in the years.
Only one who didn't find any problems... It's simple

this one more enjoyable https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/44257-rally-guanajuato-mexico-2018/?leg=2&sct=222

[dimviii]

You clearly believe your own bullshit to be glittery gold and smell of spring flowers. If you don’t like it coming back stop throwing it out
as you can see i can smell bullshit comments about 2 days earlier.


A simple acknowledgement that you badly misjudged how Ogier’s rally was going would be a welcom innovation :)

where is my post i misjudged Ogiers performance?quote it ,i cant find it.

[dimviii]

Thats why Lappi started stage later.

""We were delayed after service because my seatbelt was stuck underneath a box that the TV crews had moved, so I had to wait half an hour for them to come and fix it."

[KKS]

transforming a 30 second deficit into more than a 30 second advantage at the head of the field.

Really? I didn't know that Loeb, Sordo punctures and Meeke "each stage spin" it's a Ogier performance. Tell me how he make it? :dozey:

[T16]

Really? I didn't know that Loeb, Sordo punctures and Meeke "each stage spin" it's a Ogier performance. Tell me how he make it? :dozey:

By driving fast, not hitting rocks and not spinning.

What’s wrong with that exactly?

[A FONDO]

Really? I didn't know that Loeb, Sordo punctures and Meeke "each stage spin" it's a Ogier performance. Tell me how he make it? :dozey:

Okay then, we can count it compared to someone neutral like Mikelsen for example. Won 1m30s to him.

[Mintexmemory]

as you can see i can smell bullshit comments about 2 days earlier.

where is my post i misjudged Ogiers performance?quote it ,i cant find it.

Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
IF Tanak had an off,it was a big mistake to push Loeb.He had to see the bigger picture with not so good rally for Ogier and Neuville.

That was your view during day 1. 4th place, 19 seconds behind the leader and you had already decided that Ogier was having ‘a not so good rally’
In fact it would appear to be a perfectly judged rally. Quick to judge is usually slow to repent.

[Mintexmemory]

Okay then, we can count it compared to someone neutral like Mikelsen for example. Won 1m30s to him.

Why did others spin and puncture is the question. Pressure, tyre wear problems, lack of familiarity with running in a position where rocks are in the line ;)
I would like no punctures clouding the issue ( although it’s not always just bad luck)the next time Loeb competes just to get fair comparisons

[Rallyper]

Remembering the old times Loeb was the man never had punctures. Same discussion back then. ;)

Ogier did very well on Saturday. Some luck as well, but that is for every successful athlet.

[dimviii]

Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
IF Tanak had an off,it was a big mistake to push Loeb.He had to see the bigger picture with not so good rally for Ogier and Neuville.

That was your view during day 1. 4th place, 19 seconds behind the leader and you had already decided that Ogier was having ‘a not so good rally’
In fact it would appear to be a perfectly judged rally. Quick to judge is usually slow to repent.

trying to change my words doesnt make you clever but a clown.I didnt ''judged'' Ogiers performance,i was saying what Tanak have to do,to get some points against Ogier and Neuville,because that at this point of rally was at better position against them.
thats not a ''judgement''
oh and Ogier was at 5th position with half minute from leader,not 19 sec from leaders.Get your facts right.

[dimviii]

Why did others spin and puncture is the question. Pressure, tyre wear problems, lack of familiarity with running in a position where rocks are in the line ;)
I would like no punctures clouding the issue ( although it’s not always just bad luck)the next time Loeb competes just to get fair comparisons

bad or good luck always will play a big role.
Ogier touched violently a bank with 6th gear and nothing happened.

[A FONDO]

Why did others spin and puncture is the question. Pressure, tyre wear problems, lack of familiarity with running in a position where rocks are in the line ;)
I would like no punctures clouding the issue ( although it’s not always just bad luck)the next time Loeb competes just to get fair comparisons

Comparison is still not hard to get. The guest driver failed to manage his tyres in the morning loop. Cooked them in the first stage and then was sliding a lot mid-corner in the next two. Even though he had a pretty good starting position again.

[wrc2017]

bad or good luck always will play a big role.
Ogier touched violently a bank with 6th gear and nothing happened.

i watch all day 2 stages live and on 2nd pass.. ogier was like a man possesed.. he was very... very...very lucky on atleast 3 separate occasions. thats a fact.

[Mintexmemory]

trying to change my words doesnt make you clever but a clown.I didnt ''judged'' Ogiers performance,i was saying what Tanak have to do,to get some points against Ogier and Neuville,because that at this point of rally was at better position against them.
thats not a ''judgement''
oh and Ogier was at 5th position with half minute from leader,not 19 sec from leaders.Get your facts right.

My facts are right - at the time I posted I deliberately checked overall times on WRC Live centre. Anyway you are clearly grieving so I won’t trouble you further but kindly don’t reach for insults the moment you are in a debate - is this a general Greek habit or are we just unlucky on this forum?

[dimviii]

My facts are right - at the time I posted I deliberately checked overall times on WRC Live centre.
Anyway you are clearly grieving so I won’t trouble you further but kindly don’t reach for insults the moment you are in a debate - is this a general Greek habit or are we just unlucky on this forum?

first you write that i ''judged'' Ogier,and while you failed to quote me the post with the ''judgement'' you came back again with a post with full of bullshit about my country.

Thats why i called you a clown.
Next time be more carefull,and dont put words in my mouth that i didnt wrote.

[Rallyper]

Gentlemen, please don´t escalate. We should be friends sharing the same interest.

Dimviii, who I know personal, is a very friendly rallyfan.
And what I´ve seen Mintexmemory, you too contributes very much to this forum.

Let it be that way, please.

[Franky]

Gentlemen, please don´t escalate. We should be friends sharing the same interest.

Dimviii, who I know personal, is a very friendly rallyfan.
And what I´ve seen Mintexmemory, you too contributes very much to this forum.

Let it be that way, please.

It seems to be a trend in the last few years in rally forums that the discussions get really heated. Sometimes it's fun to read but quite often it's just sad

[Rallyper]

It seems to be a trend in the last few years in rally forums that the discussions get really heated. Sometimes it's fun to read but quite often it's just sad

I know it heatens up sometimes. I´m not an exception, myself. But still, arguing with a friendly tone is best way to remain friends.

[RICARDO75]

Some spectators should have a leash. Someday this will go very badly in Mexico

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The final day is GO !

[eib1]

#Tyre info - Day 3:
all the Michelin @WRC drivers with 5 MICHELIN LTX Force S5 except Ogier: 3 MICHELIN LTX Force H4 +2S and Mikkelsen: 3S+2H

[mknight]

So Neuville first car on road for 3 days. Don't think post-event complaining will reach Sweden level though. But that also has to do with the fact that Ogier has been doing this cleaning for the most of last 3 years.
Sordo's comment from saturday also comes to mind: "I'd rather be leading the championship and cleaning than have a good road position".

Anyway I do wonder who will try to improve their PS position by late TCs, maybe nobody (since it's second run). As written numerous times before it actually IS against the rules and that's why they get time penalties, it's just that the penalty does not hurt enough as it is aimed only on overall standings.

[A FONDO]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/44257-rally-guanajuato-mexico-2018/?leg=3

[er88]

Wonderful 3mins of Meeke on-board with pacenotes audible, yet Becs and Paul King talked over every second of if. Just shut the fuck every now and again

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Really? I didn't know that Loeb, Sordo punctures and Meeke "each stage spin" it's a Ogier performance. Tell me how he make it? :dozey:

Listen to Meeke who, unlike you, was honest enough to admit that he couldn't compete with Ogier's pace yesterday. Ditto similar anti-Ogier biased, @jparker.

[Mintexmemory]

first you write that i ''judged'' Ogier,and while you failed to quote me the post with the ''judgement'' you came back again with a post with full of bullshit about my country.

Thats why i called you a clown.
Next time be more carefull,and dont put words in my mouth that i didnt wrote.
I said nothing about your country - acknowledged as the cradle of civilisation, with an ancient and proud history. I said (in simple English) the Greeks on this forum start insults at the drop of a hat! I will accept that I may have misread your meaning in the OP as English is not your first language, but trust me, what you thought you were saying didn’t come across that way, given your previously expressed views on Loeb and Ogier
Why should I ‘be careful’ (a threat?) - use of internet warrior language is what this forum has descended to it seems.
In no way would I endorse Old F’s approach but I can understand how people can lose patience.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wonderful 3mins of Meeke on-board with pacenotes audible, yet Becs and Paul King talked over every second of if. Just shut the fuck every now and again

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You read my mind - I just emailed WRC+ to ask again for a 'pure sound' option.

[N.O.T]

Why are you arguing with britsh people ? do you have some kind of strange fetish ?

they are not very complicated folk... they like simple basic things.

Why torture them in discussions that require complex thinking ?

[tommeke_B]

Started reading a bit in the topic here but didn't have the courage to read it all... It's quite sad where we're going to with this forum.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke half-rolled !!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another Meeke mistake... down to 3rd. :(

[N.O.T]

I said nothing about your country - acknowledged as the cradle of civilisation

lol... you sound like some uncivilised greek living in a village thinking everything came from that shithole

Ancient greece has absolutely nothing to do with modern greeks apart from the weather, even the language is bastardised and full of turkish words...

[Ucci]

Another Meeke mistake... down to 3rd. :(
He needs excitement...

[er88]

Huge drama!! Never a dull moment with Meeke :)

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

I thought 'all the driving is over' ...

[mknight]

Interesting fact:

On the long flat out section it was again:
Hyundai 189-190
Citroen 190
Toyota 200

This is pretty much exactly same numbers (and same differences between cars) like in Sweden this year and last year in Finland. Sure it depends on gearing, but this would mean they use similar gearing for these rallies.

[Franky]

Could someone explain me what's with the constant "excuse the language" remarks every time someone uses a bit stronger language. The reason why it's annoying me is that it brings more attention to what was said. Like otherwise you'd just glide over the fact that someone cursed, but when someone emphasis it by apologising ...

[N.O.T]

I thought 'all the driving is over' ...

by driving i mean gaining positions from speed not mistakes...

basic folk need explaining on everything i know sorry i was not clear.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Could someone explain me what's with the constant "excuse the language" remarks every time someone uses a bit stronger language. The reason why it's annoying me is that it brings more attention to what was said. Like otherwise you'd just glide over the fact that someone cursed, but when someone emphasis it by apologising ...

Exactly. I didnt hear Meeke so after they apologised I went back and listened again !

[Fast Eddie WRC]

by driving i mean gaining positions from speed not mistakes...

basic folk need explaining on everything i know sorry i was not clear.

So losing places by mistakes is not driving. Shut up.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYA-1SdW4AEiWV2.jpg

[eib1]

First stage win for Latvala in 2018

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great shot of Tanak from the heli !

[ZequeArgentina]

First stage win for Latvala in 2018

Tanak still to come, but probably will save tires for PS

[Ucci]

First stage win for Latvala in 2018
Very late in the season......

[noel157]

Haven't been here for past few months, still arguing I see : )

Anyway, for those without WRC live:

Off and stage end interview (f---)


http://sendvid.com/fe8h6b42

http://sendvid.com/cfn0k8nc

http://sendvid.com/03yrqnzu

[EightGear]

Could someone explain me what's with the constant "excuse the language" remarks every time someone uses a bit stronger language. The reason why it's annoying me is that it brings more attention to what was said. Like otherwise you'd just glide over the fact that someone cursed, but when someone emphasis it by apologising ...


I have never understood that, it seems to be British thing.

[steve.mandzij]

Very late in the season......But at last and respectably.

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[noel157]

It's a broadcasting thing, if they don't acknowledge/apologise in some way it can be seen as accepting that it's ok. Just covering themselves.

[EstWRC]

so Latvala finally gets his stage win this year and Meeke being Meeke

[Rallyper]

Very late in the season......

Better late than never ...

[EstWRC]

If Tänak somehow wins the power stage from first on the road then it would be like a win but with just 20 points less :p

Hopefully he will get some points, Neuville will push for sure and ogier is also pushing no matter what he says.

[er88]

Now that Jari finally gets a stage win, who left out of the manufacturer drivers hasn't won a stage yet this year?

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[rp]

Now that Jari finally gets a stage win, who left out of the manufacturer drivers hasn't won a stage yet this year?

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Only Østberg

[pantealex]

If Tänak somehow wins the power stage from first on the road then it would be like a win but with just 20 points less :p

Hopefully he will get some points, Neuville will push for sure and ogier is also pushing no matter what he says.

Pretty sure he is not going to start 1st, he can take up to 40 minutes penalty...

[wwbroe]

Pretty sure he is not going to start 1st, he can take up to 40 minutes penalty...

Isn't it limited to 30 mins? Ogier started this mess in Sweden, let's see who will follow same tactics now in Mexico or later on in the season.

[er88]

FIA should have tweaked the rules as a can of worms has been opened after Sweden.

However the power stage will be pretty clean after the first pass, so it won't be anywhere near as bad as Sweden was. I won't be too surprised if a guy near the front wins it by risking everything as they have nothing to lose

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[mknight]

Only Østberg

Well if you start counting non-regulars, then Bouffier is there as well.

[wwbroe]

All Live down just when they are about to start the stage?:mad:

Edit: working again now

[Simmi]

If the Power Stage is a designed for TV spectacle (which it is) then they simply can't continue to let this continue if the stage winner comes in after they've gone off air. Rules aside, it renders it pointless as broadcast entertainment.

That said I'm really intrigued to see what happens and who checks in when...

[mknight]

They should just change the penalties to count towards powerstage times on sunday. That way they count towards general classification as well. Problem solved.

[wwbroe]

They should just change the penalties to count towards powerstage times on sunday. That way they count towards general classification as well. Problem solved.

That is correct, but i suppose they can't change the rules in the middle of the season, that way only Ogier would have had a benefit of the current rules.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen off a bit there...

[KKS]

That is correct, but i suppose they can't change the rules in the middle of the season, that way only Ogier would have had a benefit of the current rules.
One idiot ruin all rally rules. I think rules are OK

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Can Meeke just take it steady for a podium... good gap to 4th now.

[Mirek]

One idiot ruin all rally rules. I think rules are OK

What?

[Essaj]

Hopefully they will have some rule how to drive through that chicane at the end. Neuville won quite a bit of time by cutting each of the barriers while others have taken it cleanly.

[KKS]

"Meeke aerodynamic tunning atelier: we make your car faster!" :D

[SubaruNorway]

Neuville checking how hard the chicane is maybe, bit silly to have a type like that in a power stage when you can gain half a second

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Pretty fast recce by Meeke !

[Mirek]

Hopefully they will have some rule how to drive through that chicane at the end. Neuville won quite a bit of time by cutting each of the barriers while others have taken it cleanly.

Here in CZ we have a rule which gives fixed penatlies for moving the barrel/tyre column outside of it's base (5 seconds) or even higher penalty for braking straight through (30 seconds). I think that it's not that bad rule.

[KKS]

Ohhh Jari on Ogier cheating mode

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala having a moan this time.

[Simmi]

JML is also a Rally 2 runner though right? Weird that he'd be the guy to go first though. Anyone actually seen the proposed running order?

[mknight]

Latvala having a moan this time.

(Well if it's true what he is saying it's totally retarded.) But since the road order on PS is only up to the promoter they can do this.

EDIT:

UHHH yes he is rally 2 also, from friday so it's actually "correct", cause he retired earlier than others.

[er88]

FIA sitting on their hands when this could have been sorted sharpish after Sweden. Clueless.

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[dimviii]

- $ 2000 for Loeb and Elena for not having activated the OK button within a minute of stopping to change tires in the special stage.

- $ 2000 for Hyundai for disconnecting (accidentally) the turbo pressure recorder between 2 repairs (between Service B and C) of the Neuville i20.

[Simmi]

(Well if it's true what he is saying it's totally retarded.) But since the road order on PS is only up to the promoter they can do this.

EDIT:

UHHH yes he is rally 2 also, from friday so it's actually "correct", cause he retired earlier than others.

Lappi and Suninen both retired before JML did. So he's got a right to be pissed off.

Agree the FIA should have sorted this. No reason at all they can't close loopholes in rules mid-season. Happens all the time in F1.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I dont think Rally2 driver's should get any sort of advantage on the PS.

Those that have done the full rally should get the best chance for the extra points.

[mknight]

I dont think Rally2 driver's should get any sort of advantage on the PS.

Those that have done the full rally should get the best chance for the extra points.

Agree but now Latvala is complaining who of the Rally 2 drivers should start when (Lappi and Sunninen retired first, Latvala later on friday and Tanak on saturday).

The problem with late tc check where rally 2 drivers don't care about total time is different.

[KKS]

4 or 3 min gap for PowerStage?

[dimviii]

I said nothing about your country - acknowledged as the cradle of civilisation, with an ancient and proud history. I said (in simple English) the Greeks on this forum start insults at the drop of a hat! I will accept that I may have misread your meaning in the OP as English is not your first language, but trust me, what you thought you were saying didn’t come across that way, given your previously expressed views on Loeb and Ogier
Why should I ‘be careful’ (a threat?) - use of internet warrior language is what this forum has descended to it seems.
In no way would I endorse Old F’s approach but I can understand how people can lose patience.

first you said that i ''judged'' Ogier ,and you failed to show me the post where i '' judged'' Ogier
now you are talking about Loeb vs Ogier
then you talk about a ''threat''?
where is the ''threat'' clown? again you are putting words in my mouth?
GTFO

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Watching SS21 live on BT Sport but I dont see the PS listed on any of their channels ??

[Simmi]

Fascinating stuff. FIA about to realise how badly they f**ked up in just over an hour.

https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/news/rallying-news/wrc/teams-disregard-fia-powerstage-request/

[salamaja]

Watching SS21 live on BT Sport but I dont see the PS listed on any of their channels ??

http://sport.bt.com/tv-guide-01363810618853

[Essaj]

There is like 5 cars to come, everything is ready TV wise, no need to change places since re run on the same stage. Why not show rest of the field instead of this stupid spinning gps map... "all live"

[mknight]

Fascinating stuff. FIA about to realise how badly they f**ked up in just over an hour.

https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/news/rallying-news/wrc/teams-disregard-fia-powerstage-request/

Meeke (I think):
"“But after that event surely somebody could have come up with a simple regulation change to say that any late check-in for the powerstage would result in them losing any points if they finished in the top five."


Exactly, this was clear since Sweden. What was FIA doing since then?

[EstWRC]

Man what a farce and mess right now

[steve.mandzij]

So do Lappi and Suninen start after Latvala? That's fucked up. What's he going to do? Did he reveal he'd take a penalty?

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[EstWRC]

WRC plus live maps is showing me the same starting order as we had on first two stages

[Simmi]

So do Lappi and Suninen start after Latvala? That's fucked up. What's he going to do? Did he reveal he'd take a penalty?

No he just threatened not to do any interviews at the next rally. I think eluding to the fact the organisers had made a personal choice to place JML in that position.

[KKS]

Latvala can drop 2 places on starting positions. 50sec advantage on Gus

[steve.mandzij]

Latvala can drop 2 places on starting positions. 50sec advantage on GusHe could even risk dropping behind Gus.

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[mknight]

And then Sunninen does the same for example and he is on same spot again :D

[KKS]

WRC plus live maps is showing me the same starting order as we had on first two stages
they change it at regroup-in

[Fast Eddie WRC]

But is the road order really going to have a big effect here when the whole field have just been through the stage ? I think Latvala is just annoyed he is not the star here.

[wwbroe]

Latvala can drop 2 places on starting positions. 50sec advantage on Gus
Depends also if they start on a four minutes interval or not.:D

[steve.mandzij]

But is the road order really going to have a big effect here when the whole field have just been through the stage ? I think Latvala is just annoyed he is not the star here.It has at least some effect. Whether it's big or not doesn't change the fact that the order wouldn't be correct.

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[KKS]

Man trying to help and broke Meeke rear wing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXpOJL2PMfA

[mknight]

Man trying to help and broke Meeke rear wing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXpOJL2PMfA

Was prbly damaged from laying on the side though. His front left side looked squeezed.

[KKS]

Depends also if they start on a four minutes interval or not.:D
Latvala gain 31sec on Gus at SS21... so it's 81sec probably. Exactly 2 pos on 4 min intervals

[mknight]

Latvala gain 31sec on Gus at SS21... so it's 81sec probably. Exactly 2 pos on 4 min intervals

But the guy who was supposed to start behind Latvala (let's say it's Sunninen) will see that Latvala is not going into TC and will wait until he shows up cause the can take the penalties as well(max 30 mins).. and this way you can get 5 guys waiting. Which is why Meeke said what he said.

[KKS]

Greensmith start PS - first!
Tidemand - second

[KKS]

and 3 min intervals

[EstWRC]

so it seems Greensmith - Tidemand and Tänak and then who?

E: ok reversed it is then after wrc2 guys...Tänak - Suninen - Lappi - Latvala and etc

[mknight]

Hold your horses, TC is before the stage no?

[KKS]

Hold your horses, TC is before the stage no?
And after :D

[er88]

Few drivers could still go "missing" before the stage no? And start later? Or is it locked in now?

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[mknight]

Few drivers could still go "missing" before the stage no? And start later? Or is it locked in now?

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That's what I meant. Now we see order out of regroup. Then there is TC right in front of stage.

[KKS]

wrc+ live map now - the most interesting thing in the world :)

[er88]

Nobody's going to have a clue what's going on. Some drivers won't be happy at all, and some will be pushing absolutely flat out with nothing to lose. Could maybe see a bit of drama...

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[René]

Power stage Start order: 1.Greensmith, 2.Tidemand, 3.Tänak, 4.Suninen, 5.Lappi, 6.Latvala, 7.Neuville, 8.Loeb, 9.Mikkelsen, 10.Meeke, 11.Sordo, 12.Ogier.

[eib1]

1.Greensmith
2.Tidemand
3.Tänak
4.Suninen
5.Lappi
6.Latvala
7.Neuville
8.Loeb
9.Mikkelsen
10.Meeke
11.Sordo
12.Ogier

[KKS]

Latvala: 0kph :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Seems PS live on BT Sport Xtra.

[HenryEST]

Seemingly both Sunninen and Lappi have gone past Tanak on road section on wrc+ live map.

[A FONDO]

Seems PS live on BT Sport Xtra.

Viasat sport baltic too.

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[EstWRC]

Kaj saying they have solved the issues, better be or....:p

[KKS]

Tanak play it... 3 min to go and he far away from start TC

[mknight]

Tanak play it... 3 min to go and he far away from start TC

Let's see what Sunninen does then. Might end with us waiting 30 mins.

[A FONDO]

Latvala: 0kph :D

Stopped for McDonalds probably.

[ESTR]

I bet that if Tanak will play Ogiers game next week FIA will change the rules.

[Simmi]

Already confusion as Tidemand starts ahead of Greensmith, who is parked up metres from the start line.

[KKS]

World, wait for others, rally championship

[KKS]

Already confusion as Tidemand starts ahead of Greensmith, who is parked up metres from the start line.
Gus penalty = Latvala could drop more

[er88]

Zzzzz let's hope the doesn't turn into a complete farce, with others following Tanak..

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[EstWRC]

I bet that if Tanak will play Ogiers game next week FIA will change the rules.

He is, Latvala and Neuville already past him

[mknight]

I bet that if Tanak will play Ogiers game next week FIA will change the rules.

Probably. But this has nothing to do with Tanak. Ogier was the first one to do it and it was surprising. FIA should have changed rules at once but kinda relied on teams not doing it (too much). Ref. their communication.

Now when it turns into a huge mess, they will react. Doesn't matter who does it.

[er88]

Why would Greensmith stop?

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[EstWRC]

Why would Greensmith stop?

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i dont get it too, bizzare

[KKS]

Why would Greensmith stop?

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to let Latvala drop more

[Simmi]

Suninen blinks and goes in first.

[mknight]

to let Latvala drop more

Greensmith is in Fiesta and Latvala in Toyota?

[KKS]

Now I don't wanna be a guy who make starting order graphics at left side for AllLive :D

[Lead]

Powerstage has become a circus...

[Simmi]

I'm wondering whether Greensmith was parked by organisers. They scrubbed him off the pre-stage graphic. Genuinely no idea why he'd wait.

[KKS]

Greensmith is in Fiesta and Latvala in Toyota?
Yeap it strange, but you have any other variants?

[mknight]

I'm wondering whether Greensmith was parked by organisers. They scrubbed him off the pre-stage graphic. Genuinely no idea why he'd wait.

Could be promoter saw what was starting to happen (with Tanak) and fearing it will end in much longer power stage parked Greensmith to have any hope of matching TV schedules.

[dimviii]

maybe preserve him,to fill the gap in case we have live plenty of minutes without any car at stage,due to tactics?

[KKS]

Could be promoter saw what was starting to happen (with Tanak) and fearing it will end in much longer power stage parked Greensmith to have any hope of matching TV schedules.
If it by organizers - Latvala will start stage and don't wait till now

[mknight]

Neuville waiting

[mknight]

Loeb moving, which kinda means Mikkelsen will as well and that makes Meeke Sordo and Ogier start normally.

[EstWRC]

Neuville also playing

[KKS]

Very.... VERY happy Latvala, never see that mojo before

[er88]

Will Loeb push do we think?

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[stefanvv]

New lottery game - start order for the PS.

[ESTR]

Pickem's game

[mknight]

Will Loeb push do we think?

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Yes,

Meeke can't hope to get good points without parts of wing imo. Not on the fast sections.

[dimviii]

Latvala said he had a very good drive,couldnt drive better.Lets see how will compare to others.

[Simmi]

Will Loeb push do we think?

Julian Porter was speculating that he wouldn't so as not to take power stage points off Meeke. But let's see.

[er88]

Will Loeb push do we think?

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[steve.mandzij]

Loeb is putting on the most exquisite drive I've ever seen.

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[EstWRC]

Tänak moving now but Neuville isnt

[Simmi]

Tanak to start ahead of Neuville? Or just playing chicken on the road section...

[N.O.T]

very nice drive by Loeb...

[cali]

Loeb is like a madman at the wheel, never seen that before. Though time compared to Latvala is no good

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[ESTR]

Julian Porter was speculating that he wouldn't so as not to take power stage points off Meeke. But let's see.

He is french and he doesn't care about others. He is looking just for his ass only. Like in Breen's case ''I will drive for fun''.

[cali]

Overall very nice rally for Loeb, unbelievable comeback. Hats off, what a legend!

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[KKS]

No one now faster than Latvala... even on splits!

[mknight]

Julian Porter just lost it there. Loeb was slower than Latvala whole stage, not backing off on tarmac.