Turkey 2018

[mk1]

Hi guys, just new here so hello to all

Just wondering if any of you guys know which location will be used for the above rally next year, i think it was antalya last time in 2010 but i cant find any info on next years.

Many thanks

[tc10a]

It will be based around Marmaris:

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/september-2017/compact-turkey/page/4876--12-12-.html

[CWJ]

Candidate event will be next week with stages close to SVP

http://www.marmarisrallyturkey.com/en/

[AL14]

I'm curious to see how it will be. Is it the same rally as some years ago? It was very tough and rough. Would be nice to have a rally like that even if we will miss fast and narrow roads from Poland.

[tommeke_B]

I'm curious to see how it will be. Is it the same rally as some years ago? It was very tough and rough. Would be nice to have a rally like that even if we will miss fast and narrow roads from Poland.

The stages of the 2nd leg this year have been mostly used last year. Some time ago I watched some onboard and they looked rather slow, twisty and blind. Not very interesting to spectate I think, a bit like Cyprus when it used to be in WRC. I hope the new stages (first leg now) will be a bit more interesting, but watching them on Google Earth doesn't look very promising. I hope they find some interesting roads for next year. The organizers have one big advantage, there will be almost no spectators, so normally also few or no spectator safety issues. :)

[mk1]

The organizers have one big advantage, there will be almost no spectators, so normally also few or no spectator safety issues. :)

Thats kinda put a dampner on it then, i was looking at booking a holiday over there next year and hoped to see some of the action,i take it you mean its because its mountains spectators wont get to is it.

Anyway i have a year to plan it so could always look at spain.

[tommeke_B]

Sure you will be able to get to the stages, don't worry. But try to get a 4wd car. ;) It's probably even easier than most other events, simply because there aren't much spectators on such remote (and new) events, so little traffic, close for parking etc.

[racerx1979]

If you hold an American passport you won't be able to spectate since Americans are now banned to enter Turkey LOL!!

https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-10-11/tit-tat-visa-bans-leave-turks-and-americans-heartbroken

[jparker]

Well, the main reason to bin Poland was spectators issues. Now this has been taken care of.

[GigiGalliNo1]

A few media are not going to attend and a lot of talk about safety for the WRC crew in regards to where they reside and personal safety (opinions and feelings) so will see how Turkey goes... from my chats in Spain.

I’ll be booking s refundable ticket just in case the round gets cancelled last minute.

[Franky]

Matt, be more optimistic. Still a long time to go till the event is supposed to run next year.

[nafpaktos]

Yes there is no stability in Turkey this moment,but i dont think there will be any problem to that area.as far as i know the coastal cities are safe.

[GigiGalliNo1]

I’m optimistic!

I’m going! Haha

I have no issues with going :)

[CWJ]

Will be there from Wednesday, who else? PN

[Zeakiwi]

Yes there is no stability in Turkey this moment,but i dont think there will be any problem to that area.as far as i know the coastal cities are safe.

There was a bus bombing in Izmir of prison guards back in August. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-blast/several-wounded-after-blast-hits-bus-in-turkeys-izmir-idUSKCN1BB0HU
Izmir is 260 km from Marmaris where the world rally is to be held.
The reality in travelling to most countries is you are more likely to be involved in a traffic accident, or local everyday thugs, camera/ thieves, pick pockets etc than a terrorist incident.

[steve.mandzij]

Wow, I'm super disappointed. I was one of Rally Turkey's biggest defenders, but a recent article on WRC.com just stated that after a Friday ceremonial start only 13 stages would be run on days two and day three. What kind of shit Corsican rally is this?!

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[JUF]

There was a bus bombing in Izmir of prison guards back in August. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-blast/several-wounded-after-blast-hits-bus-in-turkeys-izmir-idUSKCN1BB0HU
Izmir is 260 km from Marmaris where the world rally is to be held.
The reality in travelling to most countries is you are more likely to be involved in a traffic accident, or local everyday thugs, camera/ thieves, pick pockets etc than a terrorist incident.
This is absolutely true. If I would travel to Turkey I wouldn't fear a terrorist attack. These happen very rarely. But what I would fear is that I get imprisoned arbitrarily. You never know which reason they find to arrest you. Moreover, the question arises if a country should get a WRC round when its president acts like a dictator and doesn't care about human rights (same question with China last year).

[CWJ]

Wow, I'm super disappointed. I was one of Rally Turkey's biggest defenders, but a recent article on WRC.com just stated that after a Friday ceremonial start only 13 stages would be run on days two and day three.

Its FIA Balkan Trophy and national champ by this year 200km stages and 600km total. They will have a WRC event next year, that doesnt mean they have to have all ready now. But plans and planned stages are wonderful, you might even get a jeep safari or boat trip to the spectator points near the beaches. We are here since 4 days and feel very welcome and safe :)

[AnttiL]

exactly. WRC rallies have a minimum length of 300 kms, but rallies of national level or other international series are rarely that long.

[CWJ]

http://www.marmarisrallyturkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Orhan-Avcio%C4%9Flu-1024x683.jpg

More to come
http://www.marmarisrallyturkey.com/en/medya/galeri/

[steve.mandzij]

Its FIA Balkan Trophy and national champ by this year 200km stages and 600km total. They will have a WRC event next year, that doesnt mean they have to have all ready now. But plans and planned stages are wonderful, you might even get a jeep safari or boat trip to the spectator points near the beaches. We are here since 4 days and feel very welcome and safe :)Oh, I must have misinterpreted the wording in the article. I thought it referred to next year's event's structure.

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[Mirek]

There was a bus bombing in Izmir of prison guards back in August. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-blast/several-wounded-after-blast-hits-bus-in-turkeys-izmir-idUSKCN1BB0HU
Izmir is 260 km from Marmaris where the world rally is to be held.
The reality in travelling to most countries is you are more likely to be involved in a traffic accident, or local everyday thugs, camera/ thieves, pick pockets etc than a terrorist incident.

A Turkish military unit only attempted to kill Erdogan directly in Marmaris one year a go (a friend of mine was there shortly after the attempted coup and there were still bullets in the some hotel walls and windows at that time) but let's say this thread from own military is probably already nothing more than past.

[hype]

Hey guys, any new info on Rally Turkey 2018?
Very quiet here :D

[N.O.T]

Hey guys, any new info on Rally Turkey 2018?
Very quiet here :D

its too far away still.

[AnttiL]

Route maps https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Turkey-2018

[rallyfiend]

Rally Guide 1 has been published: http://www.rallyturkey.com/competitors/

[GigiGalliNo1]

Rally Turkey has only signed a one year deal.

2019 will consist of Chile and Argentina after one another in the calendar.

[Eli]

Rally Turkey has only signed a one year deal.

2019 will consist of Chile and Argentina after one another in the calendar.

Source?

[Tarmop]

The same which told him that Sordo will compete in Sardinia probably.

[Franky]

Rally Turkey has only signed a one year deal.

2019 will consist of Chile and Argentina after one another in the calendar.

I was told it's a 2+1 deal.

[N.O.T]

Rally Turkey has only signed a one year deal.

2019 will consist of Chile and Argentina after one another in the calendar.

you need help... it was funny the first 100 times, now you just look like an idiot.

[Franky]

you need help... it was funny the first 100 times, now you just look like an idiot.

Sometimes it feels like you're writing about yourself

[bomber21]

Any instructions how to visit Rally Turkey? It is the closest WRC rally to my country and I would like to visit. Any turkish members could help about hotels, transport etc?

[rallyfiend]

Rally Turkey has only signed a one year deal.

2019 will consist of Chile and Argentina after one another in the calendar.

You're making that up.

At the press conference held a couple of weeks ago with the minister of sport, they talked a 3-year deal.

[AnttiL]

The 2017 power stage will be the power stage this year as well. Acceleration on tarmac, quite twisty and rough road and then faster and flowing at the end https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9TD1Z3Aeuo

Not many onboards available from 2017 but this will be run in reverse this year as İçmeler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGGWlY286FU seems like a lot smoother road, kind of like in Rally Mexico.

[GigiGalliNo1]

You're making that up.

At the press conference held a couple of weeks ago with the minister of sport, they talked a 3-year deal.

OK.

Thanks NOT.

[bomber21]

Any instructions how to visit Rally Turkey? It is the closest WRC rally to my country and I would like to visit. Any turkish members could help about hotels, transport etc?
Any help?

[Franky]

Any help?

Book flights, book a car, book a place to stay, study the available info for spectators.

Without any details from your side, no one can recommend you anything besides the obvious. Hence my first sentence.

[bomber21]

Book flights, book a car, book a place to stay, study the available info for spectators.

Without any details from your side, no one can recommend you anything besides the obvious. Hence my first sentence.

I will find a way to be there on time. I would like to know in which area I should book a room in order to be close to some SS and SSS in the city. Any busses from the organization for spectators? This is the info I am looking for.

[Franky]

Here's a map - https://www.rally-maps.com/Rally-Turkey-2018

Rally Turkey's page for spectator info and also answers your question about shuttles - http://www.rallyturkey.com/spectator-zones/

[AnttiL]

I think the city and holiday resort of Marmaris is the centre of the rally. The power stage is quite near and all stages relatively near.

[janvanvurpa]

Any instructions how to visit Rally Turkey? It is the closest WRC rally to my country and I would like to visit. Any turkish members could help about hotels, transport etc?


We don't know where you are starting from, so difficult to give you directions. Where are you exactly?

[bomber21]

We don't know where you are starting from, so difficult to give you directions. Where are you exactly?

I live in Greece and I am planning to be there during that weekend. So I need to be close to the weekend stages.

[rallyfiend]

Anywhere in Marmaris or Icmeler would be fine to stay at.

[bomber21]

Anywhere in Marmaris or Icmeler would be fine to stay at.
Thank you!

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map Turkey Rally is online ► http://bit.ly/2GnE2BV

[AnttiL]

So far we know that both Kopecky and Tidemand will drive this rally. I was also expecting Skoda to send Nordgren here, since he has done Cyprus and Acropolis this year...

[AnttiL]

https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.com/2018/08/21/route-preview-rally-turkey-2018/

Route preview. I dug up the maps of the 2016 and 2017 rallies and watched their onboards. Seems like the slowest rally of the season, although parts of the roads seem wide, smooth and fast. The condition of the road is still a mystery, as it can change yearly.

[N.O.T]

looks like sweeping is going to be a big issue here...

[mknight]

I didn't watch all vids, but from what I have seen it's often slow but relatively wide roads.
IMO good to have a slow rally in the calender again, just hope the roads are not too rough.

[AnttiL]

I didn't watch all vids, but from what I have seen it's often slow but relatively wide roads.
IMO good to have a slow rally in the calender again, just hope the roads are not too rough.

I would say there are all combinations of technical and fast-flowing, wide and narrow, rough and smooth. And the actual surface of the roads is yet unknown, because it could be now different than on the videos from 2016 and 2017.

Definitely a big road sweeping ahead, no chance for Neuville to win here.

[Andre Oliveira]

Entry list: https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/44264-rally-turkey-marmaris-2018/

[AnttiL]

No surprises. Except for Henning with R5

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ingram entry confirmed in WRC2 for Rally Turkey. :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Chris Ingram has his first WRC2 entry in the Toksport Fabia R5. Great work getting the funding for this as well as his ERC events.

[pantealex]

No surprises. Except for Henning with R5

What!

I see about 20 names which I was not expecting

Did you really know about Yazeed ? and all those WRC2 entries ?

[AnttiL]

What!

I see about 20 names which I was not expecting

Did you really know about Yazeed ? and all those WRC2 entries ?

I didn’t mean surprising on a level of knowing who would enter this rally, surprising on a level of who would enter a rally this year ;)

But you know this stuff better than I :)

[Jarek Z]

Ingram entry confirmed in WRC2 for Rally Turkey. :)

Kajto too ;)

[Mirek]

Why is that an ERC news?

[pantealex]

Entry list: https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/44264-rally-turkey-marmaris-2018/

also national cars
http://www.rallyturkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Entry-List-_-National-Cars.pdf
S2000, R2 + very interesting oldies

[jbmarcus21]

M-Sport debuts today testing for Turkey in Greece road ► http://bit.ly/2NqK2N7

[mknight]

Old aero. Sure if turkey is the slowest rally it wont matter much.

[Andre Oliveira]

Not Ogier testing ;)

[pantealex]

They also did use new aero and tried even newer one.

[JUF]

I still think that it´s wrong to let a WRC round take place in Turkey, but I'm still looking forward to the rally.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

They also did use new aero and tried even newer one.

With Ford Performance on board M-Sport should have the parts for testing and all three cars by now. Progress is needed NOW to compete with Toyota.

[ESTR]

With Ford Performance on board M-Sport should have the parts for testing and all three cars by now. Progress is needed NOW to compete with Toyota.

That's why Tanak leave because everything circles around frenchie. He is practically only one out there..

[rallyfiend]

With Ford Performance on board M-Sport should have the parts for testing and all three cars by now. Progress is needed NOW to compete with Toyota.

I thought they remained unsure as to whether the new aero was of benefit?

Why do you think it's not deliberate to run two different versions? Ogier is stuck with it now that he's used it on a chassis.....

[Tarmop]

I believe so also. They said, that all the cars will have it in Germany, but after a bad rally in Finland it seemed like they still need testing and don`t want to ruin 2 other chassis`s.

[racerx1979]

I still think that it´s wrong to let a WRC round take place in Turkey, but I'm still looking forward to the rally.

Why do you feel it's wrong besides issues with Turkey's economy etc. No different than having a rally in the US. I speak as someone who grew up in the states...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

He is practically only one out there..

Evans has had a two-day test, the same as Ogier will have.

[SubaruNorway]

Why do you feel it's wrong besides issues with Turkey's economy etc. No different than having a rally in the US. I speak as someone who grew up in the states...

The state coup in 2016 i guess. I know Marmaris is far away but if you step on a landmine or got hurt in some way within 10km of the Syrian border your travel insurance won't count. For us coming from pretty peaceful countries It feels a bit strange going there.

[skarderud]

Why do you feel it's wrong besides issues with Turkey's economy etc. No different than having a rally in the US. I speak as someone who grew up in the states...Also because of the political situation in turkey, it's a land that put everyone they feel is against the dictator into jail without a trail or judgment.
I'm really don't understand people that travel to turkey to vacation either, nor by an Apartment there. But money counts......

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[JUF]

Also because of the political situation in turkey, it's a land that put everyone they feel is against the dictator into jail without a trail or judgment.
I'm really don't understand people that travel to turkey to vacation either, nor by an Apartment there. But money counts......


That's my point. I don't believe that it´s really a security risk, but I think you shouldn't "support" undemocratic countries like this (same for China 2016). It has nothing to do with the country itself or the people (my girlfriend even has Turkish roots), it´s only the political situation with Erdogan (imprisonment of journalists, opposition members etc.).

[N.O.T]

That's my point. I don't believe that it´s really a security risk, but I think you shouldn't "support" undemocratic countries like this (same for China 2016). It has nothing to do with the country itself or the people (my girlfriend even has Turkish roots), it´s only the political situation with Erdogan (imprisonment of journalists, opposition members etc.).

well someone votes for erdogan you know...

so spare us the bullshit " i have nothing against the people only with the situation"...

grow a pair and accept the truth.

[JUF]

well someone votes for erdogan you know...

so spare us the bullshit " i have nothing against the people only with the situation"...

grow a pair and accept the truth.

Well, there are reasons why people vote(d) for him, although it might be difficult for someone from a democratic European country to understand that. No apologize, but an explanation. What I want to say is that I don't reproach anyone from Turkey who voted for him. So yes, I do not have anything against the people themselves.

But now let's move on and discuss about the rally, not the political situation in Turkey.

[cali]

This current so called democracy is too overrated. So I tend to agree with N. O. T. No more OT from me.
Let's see how Turkey handles the WRC then we can judge and throw politics aside.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Which stage is 10kms from the Syrian border? None...

We have nothing to worry about.

[N.O.T]

Which stage is 10kms from the Syrian border? None...

We have nothing to worry about.

go shill somewhere else..

you are the laughing stock of the wrc.

[racerx1979]

I will be in Turkey. I've traveled to over 100 countries some of which are pretty sh!tty. Turkey is pretty mundane if you ask me.
I will report back, but I will be Gazoo VIP, so it would be a privileged first world view of the rally, but I'll try my best to see it through the lens of a regular spectator while sipping champagne at the stages lol.

[bomber21]

I will also finally be there! Expect some live reporting! :D

[pantealex]

Beware, internet access is probably not free in Turkey, could cost you some money...

[dnb]

Beware, internet access is probably not free in Turkey, could cost you some money...

and the internet is free in...?

[Tarmop]

Where there`s normal free-wifi coverage...

[AnttiL]

At least my operator allows (limited) free roaming in EU/ETA countries

[spiderem]

At least my operator allows (limited) free roaming in EU/ETA countries

yup i was there in June, and within my french mobile plan i could roam unlimited, FYI for those lucky ones travelling to see the rally.

[Oliverk]

and the internet is free in...?

All EU countries should have limited free roaming now. At least that was Eu-s plan some time ago.

[KKS]

With current situation in Turkey this will be "1 rally comeback" for they. I expect no Rally Turkey for 2019

[JUF]

All EU countries should have limited free roaming now. At least that was Eu-s plan some time ago.

"Roaming like at home" is reality in the EU since June 2017. Norway and Switzerland are mostly included as well, Turkey normally not. But a prepaid SIM card in Turkey should be rather cheap (something like 7€ for 4 GB).

[KKS]

Need WRC event here in Ukraine, we have unlimited 3G/4G prepaid just for 5€ ))

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Toyota will be forced to revert to its old-specification #WRC engine for Rally Turkey later this month...

https://t.co/w99sOqYGm2

[pantealex]

Pairing is same for every team, so all are using Sardinia spec cars.
-old aero for Ogier
-Citroen without some of those Rally Finland parts.

[mknight]

Tommi: "I don't know where this rule is coming from, it's very, very complicated regulation which is not really helping anybody."


This rules obviously comes from the desire to keep costs down, so that the components last longer and to keep team from homologating super-tuned parts for each rally (this is obviously also regulated by number of jokers).

Call me Toyota hater but this is Tommi talking from the position of having too much money. Similar to Toyota saying earlier that there was no need to limit the amount of testing.

[Raini]

Need WRC event here in Ukraine, we have unlimited 3G/4G prepaid just for 5€ ))

Ukraine WRC sounds good anyway regardless what Gs You have. Question is what region have the best (maybe unique) roads?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Pairing is same for every team, so all are using Sardinia spec cars.
-old aero for Ogier
-Citroen without some of those Rally Finland parts.

I know but the Toyota engine Joker has been the most significant looking at their speed on the previous events.

Not to mention the engine cooling issue which was also addressed... and Turkey will be hot.

[mknight]

Not to mention the engine cooling issue which was also addressed... and Turkey will be hot.

They also said it was addressed before this years Mexico.

[Tarmop]

Cooling issues were mostly causing concerns in the altitudes. There`s a big difference, wether it is just hot, or wether it is hot high above.

And with that old engine Toyota climbed from P9 to P1 in just a few stages, taking a comfortable lead by the end of day 1 in Argentina.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Let's hope the Toyota is strong enough in Turkey, especially if Tanak drives it over big rocks like in Sardinia..

[AnttiL]

Tanak drives it over big rocks like in Sardinia..

That was Portugal.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ukraine WRC sounds good anyway regardless what Gs You have. Question is what region have the best (maybe unique) roads?

Russia. Simple.

[EstWRC]

Please go away from this forum.

what a stupid answer again

[bomber21]

Does anyone know if the 100 euro VIP pass worth it? Or any of the other stage passes?

[racerx1979]

Does anyone know if the 100 euro VIP pass worth it? Or any of the other stage passes?

At $100 the value seems good, but nobody knows since this is the first time the rally is being hosted in Marmaris. The Daca boat stage seems to be a cool idea if it pans out well. They also say free alcohol for VIP members. Not sure what this means. The description is a little vague, but when you compare to Finland where the VIP packages are well over $100 just for one stage, the Turkey deal seems great.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That was Portugal.

Ah yes, Sardinia was where just a heavy landing damaged the cooling.

[KKS]

Ukraine WRC sounds good anyway regardless what Gs You have. Question is what region have the best (maybe unique) roads?
Historically the best rally road located at west in Karpaty mountains. Most of national rally events located there. Before well-known situation, we have a rally to be candidate-rally for WRC in plans - Aleksandrov rally (https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/7948-aleksandrov-rally-2013/) . Only now championship start to grow again, and hopefully in some years we will have another candidate event for ERC/WRC

[JUF]

I also liked Yalta Rally back in the IRC days. But unfortunately Russia had to annex Crimea... :(

[waltran]

I have never spectated a rally event before. I really wanted to go in Poland back in 2016 but i was scared, didn't know what to do, then again a few times in local rallies in Turkey but now WRC is in Turkey since i am Turkish and in Turkey i already bought plane tickets and accomodation for Marmaris but i don't own a car, so i still don't know how am i supposed to go rally stages. They are really far away from each other. Can someone with the experience give tips? How do you go to rally stages, rent a car? I don't really know how to drive a car either...

[Simmi]

I have never spectated a rally event before. I really wanted to go in Poland back in 2016 but i was scared, didn't know what to do, then again a few times in local rallies in Turkey but now WRC is in Turkey since i am Turkish and in Turkey i already bought plane tickets and accomodation for Marmaris but i don't own a car, so i still don't know how am i supposed to go rally stages. They are really far away from each other. Can someone with the experience give tips? How do you go to rally stages, rent a car? I don't really know how to drive a car either...

I've never tried it before but I think some rallies do have a shuttle bus service out to stages from service. I had a quick look on the website but couldn't see anything sadly. But worth double checking. If you have a driving license and you've already paid to head over then I think you're going to need to rent a car. Just look at the maps on the website, pick a stage and then find where that is on an actual map. I drop a pin on my phone which can get you exactly where you need to be, versus a postcode on a satnav. Some events are well signposted, for others it's not existent. Don't know how busy it will be in Turkey but aim to get there 90mins early possibly.

I can't think of any other sport that is as hard or demands as much of its spectators than rallying. But it's worth it.

[AnttiL]

In addition to a car, motorbike or in some cases bicycle could also work, or be even better. Be prepared to also walk a relatively long distance from the parking place to the spot where you spectate the rally. And some of that walking might be outside a proper road, so have good shoes with you. And also pack some food and drink to go, because there might not be anything available at the particular place.

[bluuford]

I have never spectated a rally event before. I really wanted to go in Poland back in 2016 but i was scared, didn't know what to do, then again a few times in local rallies in Turkey but now WRC is in Turkey since i am Turkish and in Turkey i already bought plane tickets and accomodation for Marmaris but i don't own a car, so i still don't know how am i supposed to go rally stages. They are really far away from each other. Can someone with the experience give tips? How do you go to rally stages, rent a car? I don't really know how to drive a car either...


Actually, here you can see several stages very close to icmeler, there is very good and cheap taxi connection between Icmeler and Marmaris, or you can even walk.
So, minimum programme is that there is city stage in Marmaris, Powerstage (14_17), Shakedown, Service and SS10_13 are all biking or even hiking distance from Marmaris. For other stages (SS2, 5, 16), you can use small taxis that travel between towns (Gökce town) and again, you can actually walk to the stages with some effort. But be aware of very hot weather, everybody, take a lot of drink, +35 is note a joke.

[racerx1979]

Actually, here you can see several stages very close to icmeler, there is very good and cheap taxi connection between Icmeler and Marmaris, or you can even walk.
So, minimum programme is that there is city stage in Marmaris, Powerstage (14_17), Shakedown, Service and SS10_13 are all biking or even hiking distance from Marmaris. For other stages (SS2, 5, 16), you can use small taxis that travel between towns (Gökce town) and again, you can actually walk to the stages with some effort. But be aware of very hot weather, everybody, take a lot of drink, +35 is note a joke.

It's almost 8km to service from Marmaris. I'm here now and it was hot today, but only for 2-4 hour window. The evenings are pleasant.

The area is full of British and a mix of Germans, Lebanese and Ukrainians. Every restaurant serves English and Scottish breakfast. It's a complete tourist trap. We walked into a restaurant while a couple was leaving and they said it was the best meal they've had. I looked at my wife, laughed and then told her 5 star food in most parts of Britannia is about 2.2 in the rest of the world besides America where it's probably a 2.5. I've lived on both countries FYI.

I would never come here to vacation, but I sure hope the rally is fun. I have no clue how they are going to organize the city stage. It was crowded as f@ck when we arrived and very very tight. I think the viewing for non VIP spectators will be pure crap. Besides horrible western food and crowded streets with fat drunken tourists, it should be fun.

Oh and we got some showers in the evening yesterday for a good 30-40 mins even though the weather gods said it was completely sunny with zero change of rain...

Bluuford you must be miserable eating here. Estonia has some amazing cuisine..

[EstWRC]

so, finally a rallying week, FINALLY!

if anyone else besides the championship TOP3 this season wants to win, then this is their only chance IMO. Reading AnttiL's blog and watching the videos from last year, it seems the first guys will suffer like hell. But in the same time big rocks will be carried onto the road for the back starters.

Quite imposible to predict the outcome this time.

[racerx1979]

I spoke to a few guys who did the rally in 2017 and there are a few water splashes which have been swept, but the first 3-4 cars will drag rocks into those splashes which can cause serious problems for the guys later in the road. A lot of unknowns which makes this a very interesting event.

[AnttiL]

I think Mikkelsen and Paddon could be strong here. It could also be a chance for Evans to showcase his speed with some road position advantage. The Toyotas are a bit of an enigma. Tänak has been unbeatable on gravel this year and Latvala has experience from Turkey, but will the car stand the roughness? Lappi and Suninen could also struggle with their little experience from this type of rallies. Neuville and Ogier will lose a lot of time on the first day. This rally could also give good points to someone who takes it easy but just makes it through safely without punctures or other encounters with bigger rocks.

[mknight]

We walked into a restaurant while a couple was leaving and they said it was the best meal they've had. I looked at my wife, laughed and then told her 5 star food in most parts of Britannia is about 2.2 in the rest of the world besides America where it's probably a 2.5. I've lived on both countries FYI.

Quoted for truth. That said some of the best formal event/conference meals I had were in the UK, but thats a different category than walk-in restaurants. (not necessarilly better though).

[racerx1979]

I think Mikkelsen and Paddon could be strong here. It could also be a chance for Evans to showcase his speed with some road position advantage. The Toyotas are a bit of an enigma. Tänak has been unbeatable on gravel this year and Latvala has experience from Turkey, but will the car stand the roughness? Lappi and Suninen could also struggle with their little experience from this type of rallies. Neuville and Ogier will lose a lot of time on the first day. This rally could also give good points to someone who takes it easy but just makes it through safely without punctures or other encounters with bigger rocks.

Everyone is confused about Toyota's expectations for this event. How will the engines hold up? We all know they've suffered from front lower impact in the past. Have these issues been taken care of?

We could see a big surprise in this event. It will be slow and technical.

[EstWRC]

Martin Holmes preview https://rallysportmag.com/wrc-preview-rally-turkey/

[Jarek Z]

How do you like the new team Burcu Çetinkaya and Inessa Tushkanova in Fiesta R5 from Ford Motorsport Turkey?

http://www.autoklub.pl/media/201809/125724-burcu.jpg

[bomber21]

I will be on:

SSS
Cicekli 1
Ula 2
Datca 1
Icmeler 2
PS

Can’t wait! I have not watched a WRC event from close since Rallye Deutschland 2017!

[T16]

I looked at my wife, laughed and then told her 5 star food in most parts of Britannia is about 2.2 in the rest of the world besides America where it's probably a 2.5. I've lived on both countries FYI.

What utter crap.

[N.O.T]

I looked at my wife, laughed and then told her 5 star food in most parts of Britannia is about 2.2 in the rest of the world besides America where it's probably a 2.5. I've lived on both countries FYI.

What utter crap.

its the same with many things in the UK.

[T16]

its the same with many things in the UK.

where would you prefer to live and why not live there? (I am assuming you're not held captive here and you choose to live here).

[bluuford]

It's almost 8km to service from Marmaris. I'm here now and it was hot today, but only for 2-4 hour window. The evenings are pleasant.

The area is full of British and a mix of Germans, Lebanese and Ukrainians. Every restaurant serves English and Scottish breakfast. It's a complete tourist trap. We walked into a restaurant while a couple was leaving and they said it was the best meal they've had. I looked at my wife, laughed and then told her 5 star food in most parts of Britannia is about 2.2 in the rest of the world besides America where it's probably a 2.5. I've lived on both countries FYI.

I would never come here to vacation, but I sure hope the rally is fun. I have no clue how they are going to organize the city stage. It was crowded as f@ck when we arrived and very very tight. I think the viewing for non VIP spectators will be pure crap. Besides horrible western food and crowded streets with fat drunken tourists, it should be fun.

Oh and we got some showers in the evening yesterday for a good 30-40 mins even though the weather gods said it was completely sunny with zero change of rain...

Bluuford you must be miserable eating here. Estonia has some amazing cuisine..

No worries, we are in Icmeler, more quiet place and hotel has some OK food as well. And we get food 3 times /day in service ;)
There are no wtaresplashes on stages, it has not rained on the stages for a month, nearby, yes. Some roads are really good, some look good but I assume that slow sections cut-up like hell as they are soft like pancake. SS2 is a proper-proper challange. There is everything... apart from watersplashes :P

I would say that tyres are key factor here ;)

[Antonis9]

I will be on:

SSS
Cicekli 1
Ula 2
Datca 1
Icmeler 2
PS

Can’t wait! I have not watched a WRC event from close since Rallye Deutschland 2017!

I guess you will go with travel sports . We will travel together !! Right????

[bomber21]

Right!!
See you in the airport at 07.00!

:)

[mknight]

Really need to get out more in the UK. We have world class cuisine all over the country most of which isn't produced by imported talent. True there is a certain percentage of our population as in other countries that are prepared to eat shite however please don't tar us all with the same brush..

Don't get me wrong it is easily possible to get very good food in almost every mid-sized town in the UK. It's just that lot of the food considered "good" ( meaning decent), does not qualify s such in other countries.
This is most visible in reviews of restaurants outside of UK written by britisk ppl.

[AnttiL]

Food critics, move over to the bar please, there is a rally about to start

[racerx1979]

No worries, we are in Icmeler, more quiet place and hotel has some OK food as well. And we get food 3 times /day in service ;)
There are no wtaresplashes on stages, it has not rained on the stages for a month, nearby, yes. Some roads are really good, some look good but I assume that slow sections cut-up like hell as they are soft like pancake. SS2 is a proper-proper challange. There is everything... apart from watersplashes :P

I would say that tyres are key factor here ;)

Actually Toyota team told me today tires are the easiest as far as choice goes, but tire maintenance will be key. Everyone will be on hard compounds ;):D

Yes the water splashes are completely dry and have been swept. What I meant was due to the fact that the water splashes areas are paved and lower they will collect rocks and stones naturally.

[N.O.T]

where would you prefer to live and why not live there? (I am assuming you're not held captive here and you choose to live here).

I do not live in the UK anymore, spend more than 10 years there... i cannot say why i do not want to live there because i am going to be banned.

I would like to live in Alaska if i had the choice or Mississippi. From European places Poland or Czech Republic.

[T16]

I do not live in the UK anymore, spend more than 10 years there... i cannot say why i do not want to live there because i am going to be banned.

I would like to live in Alaska if i had the choice or Mississippi. From European places Poland or Czech Republic.

Fair enough NOT. Sounds like you did something naughty.
Also sounds like you’re into frozen seal.

[racerx1979]

Don't blame you. Everyone in UK wants to leave... I've met several residing here in Turkey who are living the dream here. They're all shriveled up from overexposure by the sun after years of being under dosed with vitamin D.

Now let's move on to the rally and less of this utter crap. Pictures to follow!

[bluuford]

Actually Toyota team told me today tires are the easiest as far as choice goes, but tire maintenance will be key. Everyone will be on hard compounds ;):D

Yes, I tried to say it so that I do not say it out directly, but you came to the right conclusion ;)

[racerx1979]

Some pics from the service park. M-Sport cars were all covered and seemed to be ready to go. A lot of work going on in the Toyota and Hyundai areas. Hyundai's service area was completely sealed and they had air conditioning units installed in their service areas. Was by far the largest service area of all the teams. Toyota was fiddling with Tanak's restrictor for quite some time on his spare turbo which was interesting, but I was not able to get any pics of it.
Tempestini's C3 R5 set up was similar to that of a local team which was odd. Maybe they were not fully set-up.

Look at the length of those TGR dampers!

And some cool local rides too. The Mini WRC, an EVO 9 and a cool 2002.

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[KKS]

How do you like the new team Burcu Çetinkaya and Inessa Tushkanova in Fiesta R5 from Ford Motorsport Turkey?

http://www.autoklub.pl/media/201809/125724-burcu.jpg

Inessa is "perfect luck" co-driver :) just look it
https://www.ewrc-results.com/coprofile/30905-inessa-tushkanova/
)))

[aykutbilir]

Inessa is "perfect luck" co-driver :) just look it
https://www.ewrc-results.com/coprofile/30905-inessa-tushkanova/
)))

Just unnecessary entry really.


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[AnttiL]

Looking at the pictures on twitter, it will be very rough. I hear especially SS2 is super rocky. According to Kristian Sohlberg, some of the roads have been repaired but so late that the new gravel is just very loose and not blended into the base of the road like it should be.

Here's a bit from the power stage https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/1039849028807274496

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EDIT: one more pic

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[Jarek Z]

Jesus, who needs another car-killer event?

[racerx1979]

I noticed the Turkish R2 guys have ride height set a lot higher than everyone else in JWRC. I'm sure theyve destroyed their cars one too many times in the past.

[AnttiL]

Jesus, who needs another car-killer event?

Isn’t everyone longing after Safari all the time, a proper long Safari ;)

[er88]

Jesus, who needs another car-killer event?Another??

We don't really have one currently. Gone are the days of Greece, Cyprus and Safari. Arguably we need one, but I don't envisage Turkey as being as rough.

[Jarek Z]

Another??

We don't really have one currently. Gone are the days of Greece, Cyprus and Safari.

Yes, another. I mean rallying in general, not only WRC. Greece and Cyprus are not gone. They are still destroying cars in ERC. Have a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI0G5iqgLKk

[er88]

Yes, another. I mean rallying in general, not only WRC. Greece and Cyprus are not gone. They are still destroying cars in ERC. Have a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI0G5iqgLKkRallying isn't just about driving on smooth gravel roads. There's a skill to being able to survive these tough events. McRae used to excel at it despite his crash prone ways in other events.

Some of these current drivers might have a thing or two to learn. Rallying should always be diverse. We have one pure snow event on the calendar, so why not one very tough car breaker as well? Mixed in with slower and faster tarmac/ gravel events. It's what rallying is all about, diversity. The world championship still needs that.

[dimviii]

not new aero for Ogier?
https://twitter.com/yukarin1017/status/1039780595369431040

Hennings car
https://twitter.com/rallyplus/status/1039875838206992384

[EstWRC]

yes Ogier with old aero and Toyotas with old engine

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[AnttiL]

The cars are linked between Turkey and Sardegna, thus the upgrades introduced in the summer (Ford aero, Toyota engine etc) cannot be used.

[tommeke_B]

Maybe I've missed something, but for me it doesn't look that extremely rough. At least not more rough than Portugal-Algarve, or Sardinia (mainly the stages closer to Olbia)...

[atsiotras79]

Seeing at the photos, the roads look almost the same as the ones Ford tested in Greece!

Let’s see if it pays up...

[EstWRC]

NEU: "I will have hard time being first on the road again"
OGI, TAN: "Not again this story..."


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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gus Greensmith

After Rally Turkey recce:
“I’ve never seen anywhere as rough as here. Strategy will play a big part of determining your outcome this weekend. It’ll certainly be a big challenge”.
https://t.co/jYpVCSn1NB

[rallyfiend]

Gus Greensmith

After Rally Turkey recce:
“I’ve never seen anywhere as rough as here. Strategy will play a big part of determining your outcome this weekend. It’ll certainly be a big challenge”.
https://t.co/jYpVCSn1NB

Good. About time.

The WRC shouldn't always be about outright speed.

With completely new notes for everyone, plus some need to use the brain rather than the balls, this could be a really interesting event. And it's happening at precisely the perfect moment in the championship year....

[racerx1979]

Does anyone know why Cicekly SS4 and SS7 do not show up in the program? Are we even allowed to spectate this stage?

[racerx1979]

I will be on:

SSS
Cicekli 1
Ula 2
Datca 1
Icmeler 2
PS

Can’t wait! I have not watched a WRC event from close since Rallye Deutschland 2017!

@bomber how did you get info for Cicekli 1? I was unable to find info in the official program. Thanks!

[Rallyper]

Rallying isn't just about driving on smooth gravel roads. There's a skill to being able to survive these tough events. McRae used to excel at it despite his crash prone ways in other events.

Some of these current drivers might have a thing or two to learn. Rallying should always be diverse. We have one pure snow event on the calendar, so why not one very tough car breaker as well? Mixed in with slower and faster tarmac/ gravel events. It's what rallying is all about, diversity. The world championship still needs that.

Surviving competitions are hold in soap operas. You know, like Robinson Island or something.

Proper rallys are hold on proper stages, not on surfaces killing rallycars.

[Simmi]

Nah I'm looking forward to a proper rough gravel event. Throttle pedal works both ways.

[bluuford]

I would say that I have seen much worse roads, some sections are bad, some are good, some very good, variability is huge.

[waltran]

i still have no ways of travelling between stages :( does anyone knows will there be services, tours or something? or have an extra space :D
looks it will be very rough rally. i really want to see what local wrc2 drivers fight against jan kopecky

edit: there seems to be there is a lot of local minibusses they might be very useful

[racerx1979]

Get to the rally headquarters and buy a program. Some stages offer shuttles.

[er88]

Surviving competitions are hold in soap operas. You know, like Robinson Island or something.

Proper rallys are hold on proper stages, not on surfaces killing rallycars.The driver who wrecked his Skoda in that ERC vid posted above, could've just slowed down. You always drive to the conditions of the road. He was too fast for the conditions it seemed.

I find it hilarious, the first mildly rough event in the WRC for years and people are complaining. Would you really rather have identikit events run on smooth gravel?

The pictures from Turkey don't even look that bad anyway. If the drivers have half a brain they'll slow down and protect the cars in the really rough sections, and push on the smoother sections

[MartijnS]

i still have no ways of travelling between stages :( does anyone knows will there be services, tours or something? or have an extra space :D
looks it will be very rough rally. i really want to see what local wrc2 drivers fight against jan kopecky

Why not rent a car?

[Jarek Z]

why not one very tough car breaker as well?

Because it makes an already too expensive sport even more expensive. Do you think that it is normal when there are only 30-40 crews on the start line of a WRC event?

[waltran]

don't know how to drive properly :D but i think it'll be ok. i'll see when i get there

[mknight]

Rallying isn't just about driving on smooth gravel roads. There's a skill to being able to survive these tough events. McRae used to excel at it despite his crash prone ways in other events.

Some of these current drivers might have a thing or two to learn. Rallying should always be diverse. We have one pure snow event on the calendar, so why not one very tough car breaker as well? Mixed in with slower and faster tarmac/ gravel events. It's what rallying is all about, diversity. The world championship still needs that.


On monte you can have ice while drivers mostly have wrong tires for the conditions so the skill is in driving sensibly.

Pretty much the same on rough gravel rallies. Managing the speed vs the conditions. That's an element that's mostly missing now.

[KKS]

The driver who wrecked his Skoda in that ERC vid posted above, could've just slowed down. You always drive to the conditions of the road. He was too fast for the conditions it seemed.

Or he just could get higher ride height
Or drove on Dakar-spec reid-truck
Or sit at service-park and watch a TV
Or play some game-shooter back at home
There are many choices, but no-one about classic rally what we should have. Want car-breaking event? - Go for reid or baja. A lot of swamps or dunes is guaranteed. But rally it's about who are faster, but no who has higher or better protected cars.

[mknight]

There are many choices, but no-one about classic rally what we should have. Want car-breaking event? - Go for reid or baja. A lot of swamps or dunes is guaranteed. But rally it's about who are faster, but no who has higher or better protected cars.

In Finland you can break the car on quite a lot of jumps if you go flat out over them => Ban Finland cause it's car-breaking event?

[KKS]

In Finland you can break the car on quite a lot of jumps if you go flat out over them => Ban Finland cause it's car-breaking event?
JML just went for a pee at smooth German road and break a car → ban German? or smooth roads? or JML?

Answer is simple - you must don't use raid roads for a rally.

Perfect road for WRC'17 spec car. Is't it?
http://www.volynpost.com/img/modules/news/f/e0/b3817c0bd5ec04c86b0f74fa162b1e0f/cb-6606441402631.jpg
Not Turkey, just Ukraine logging-road just for example.

[mknight]

JML just went for a pee at smooth German road and break a car → ban German? or smooth roads? or JML?


Make the car out of something else than (carbon) paper ;) This is not F1.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Any rally is a potential car-breaker, thats why rally cars are specifically built to cope with extremes. Only If a rally had totally different roads on the same day would it be a problem.

But, just like here, they they dont.

All the stages on this rally are rough. So the cars and driver's have to be set-up and driven accordingly.

There are plenty of high-speed events and its good to have another tough, slower one.

[N.O.T]

there should be a forum just for brits... exchanging their basic thoughts to each other so they do not get confused...

speed has nothing to do with breaking the car on those stupid roads... in cyprus the average speed was 60kms and more than 2/3 of the entries retired.

Plus there are other classes in the event apart from the WRCs.

basic humans...

[Jarek Z]

Exactly, WRC cars are actually a minority, some 20% of the entry list or even less.

[GravelBen]

NEU: "I will have hard time being first on the road again"
OGI, TAN: "Not again this story..."


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm5--H-WwAE_MYb.jpg

OGI: "That's meant to be my line, now I have to think of something else to complain about"

TAN: "Can't we stop talking and just drive already?"

[EstWRC]

shakedown underway guys...Neuville just started

times here like always https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/44264-rally-turkey-marmaris-2018/

[AnttiL]

Tänak lost a lot of time

[EstWRC]

i suspect a spin or smth...and straight into the service he went

[KKS]

https://www.facebook.com/Rallye.Sport.fr/videos/239585373394174/ -shake live

[EstWRC]

Mads really liking the C3 on the gravel

[KKS]

clear road pays off ))

[EstWRC]

Ogier bettered his time nearly by 10 secs...thats a lot

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen stopped on the stage


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[Eric]

Mikkelsen stopped on the stage


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WTF again??? Mikkelsens car is a joke.

[EstWRC]

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[mknight]

Doesn't look like there is external damage. Could be anything from completely destroyed engine to a sensor giving wrong info. (in shakedown obviously one stops on first warning).

Probably first news of the start possibilities will come late in the afternoon after the car gets to service and inspected.

[EstWRC]

Neuville went bananas on the third run

[mknight]

Hyundai says Mikkelsen had "transmission problem".

Interesting since it's same car as in Sardinia.

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen on his way to the stage now...Citroens, Paddon and Tänak have been waiting there like forever already...


and just as i wrote Tänak and Ostberg are coming down from the stage :confused:...weird...Paddon too

[pantealex]

Are these modern R2 and R5 really weaker cars than those 1980s/1990s cars. Acropolis was part of WRC, I can´t remember much complaining about roads conditions.

Turkey is good and if you don´t like it, you can skip it in WRC2/3, simple!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Storm clouds gathering... huge thunder claps above the skies ⁦@rallyturkey⁩ https://t.co/C3ZVndkLZ9

[AnttiL]

Are these modern R2 and R5 really weaker cars than those 1980s/1990s cars. Acropolis was part of WRC, I can´t remember much complaining about roads conditions.

Turkey is good and if you don´t like it, you can skip it in WRC2/3, simple!

In 1990's they had service and tyre change between each stage, mousse tyres and they were allowed to three-wheel into service. With less suspension travel and tyres with less grip they probably drove slower even when going flat out. Now, basically the tyres and suspension allow faster driving on rough roads, but that can also lead into bigger damage when hitting a bigger rock than expected. Also these cars are probably more expensive to service and certain parts are regulated more than in the 1990s.

[N.O.T]

I can´t remember much complaining about roads conditions.


you have a very weak memory then... you should check it out...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen's car fixed and returning to SD.

[PLuto]

Are these modern R2 and R5 really weaker cars than those 1980s/1990s cars. Acropolis was part of WRC, I can´t remember much complaining about roads conditions.

Turkey is good and if you don´t like it, you can skip it in WRC2/3, simple!

Yes, they are waker. Comparing to 80s/90s cars, nowadays speed is more important than reliability...

[T16]

speed has nothing to do with breaking the car on those stupid roads...

Yet I reckon the Safari would be even rougher, but most would love to see that return. The championship rounds are too similar. It's a good thing that the drivers have to drive to the conditions a little more, makes it more interesting.

[flykas]

speed has nothing to do with breaking the car on those stupid roads...

Yet I reckon the Safari would be even rougher, but most would love to see that return. The championship rounds are too similar. It's a good thing that the drivers have to drive to the conditions a little more, makes it more interesting.

Yes! This is one of the important aspects of rally for me.

[AndyRAC]

speed has nothing to do with breaking the car on those stupid roads...

Yet I reckon the Safari would be even rougher, but most would love to see that return. The championship rounds are too similar. It's a good thing that the drivers have to drive to the conditions a little more, makes it more interesting.

Modern WRC = sprint events and flat out speed....then when we get an event which is a bit different, things can happen.

[T16]

Modern WRC = sprint events and flat out speed....then when we get an event which is a bit different, things can happen.

That's my point... It's about time we had it mixed up a bit.

I was just wondering why N.O.T. was complaining about the roads and I maybe assumed, probably wrongly, that he would welcome the Safari back...

[N.O.T]

I would welcome a safari like rally back because its a totally different event and the cars are also modified to an extent...

but to have a modern rally format event with just rough roads is stupid... its just a matter of luck who retires and who wins when there are stones everywhere.

[T16]

I would welcome a safari like rally back because its a totally different event and the cars are also modified to an extent...

but to have a modern rally format event with just rough roads is stupid... its just a matter of luck who retires and who wins when there are stones everywhere.

NOT, you've been around to know this isn't going to come down to luck. I really don't think they are going to just go flat out at it. It will add an element of skill and endurance that we've been waiting a long time for. Yeah, I get the cars aren't modified, but the drivers will just have to deal with it.

[Oliverk]

NOT, you've been around to know this isn't going to come down to luck. I really don't think they are going to just go flat out at it. It will add an element of skill and endurance that we've been waiting a long time for. Yeah, I get the cars aren't modified, but the drivers will just have to deal with it.

If you have loose rocks on road, then it will always be a luck. Whatever speed you drive or careful are. And no one waits for endurance events. There are different series for that.

[EstWRC]

@SaariJarno
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In #RallyTurkey you really need good luck to avoid punctures!
Marked tyre on left is from @TeemuSuninenRac after puncture on SD. Tyre on right is from @SebOgier's Fiesta with no puncture

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

If you dont like Rally Turkey, tough. You can always go and find something else to do and let the rest of us enjoy it.

But it will be exciting and dramatic so I bet none of you will...

[PLuto]

I was in Turkey two times, on Bosphorus Rally near Istanbul. And I must say I liked the stages a lot. I dont think it was so rough like this ones...

[EstWRC]

shakedown vid with just the engine sound!, im not sure if it will play outside estonia

includes Tänak stalling on the first run and Mikkelsens problems https://sport.postimees.ee/6404417/postimehe-video-vaata-kuidas-tanak-turgis-auto-valja-suretas

[AnttiL]

I was in Turkey two times, on Bosphorus Rally near Istanbul. And I must say I liked the stages a lot. I dont think it was so rough like this ones...

That's the same area as the 2010 WRC event? Very different.

[Rallyper]

speed has nothing to do with breaking the car on those stupid roads...

Yet I reckon the Safari would be even rougher, but most would love to see that return. The championship rounds are too similar. It's a good thing that the drivers have to drive to the conditions a little more, makes it more interesting.

For Safari, even nowadays, needs massive protection building. No way any car any year would have finished Safari without having a car suited for just that rally.

[aykutbilir]

That's the same area as the 2010 WRC event? Very different.

Yes Marmaris compared to Istanbul they are two different worlds. Stages are more look like as Kemer.

Too bad i cannot watch home town event cos of the bussiness commitments :(


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[Rallyper]

Let´s discuss stagecondition more after the rally. Let´s hope breaking cars will not destroy the numbers of drivers reaching finish...

[racerx1979]

I saw the Yota's come in after SD. The lower sill aero and fender wells were completely destroyed after just 12 km of SD. Imagine how much of a beating these cars are going to take over the weekend.

The ford guys were adding new underbody protection and new wheel well guards as they were pretty much destroyed also. One thing I noticed during SD was pretty much every time increased ride height :). I guess they start out low and move up in increments...

I also met a gentlemen who is one of the organizers of Safari Rally and he was out here scoping things out to see how the rally is run. He mentioned that they are looking at current standards in order to be better prepared for next years candidate event.

So far service was not all that great, but maybe tomorrow will be better?? No food at service for spectators and very few drink options besides red bull bar. Service park was pretty lame compared to Finland/Germany/Mexico where you have music, tons of places to sit and plenty to eat.

[N.O.T]

NOT, you've been around to know this isn't going to come down to luck. I really don't think they are going to just go flat out at it. It will add an element of skill and endurance that we've been waiting a long time for. Yeah, I get the cars aren't modified, but the drivers will just have to deal with it.

it has nothing to do with speed at which you go through rocks, and that is the problem...

[PLuto]

And we will see how many cars will survive first extra long stage tomorrow morning...

[aykutbilir]

And we will see how many cars will survive first extra long stage tomorrow morning...

That will be fun to watch :)


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[JAM]

So far service was not all that great, but maybe tomorrow will be better?? No food at service for spectators and very few drink options besides red bull bar. Service park was pretty lame compared to Finland/Germany/Mexico where you have music, tons of places to sit and plenty to eat.

What you expected?

You are in Turkey, not in a free minded country. Not to mention the religious question...

[aykutbilir]

What you expected?

You are in Turkey, not in a free minded country. Not to mention the religious question...

I really wonder what you mean? If you are caring about political issues that is not define people.


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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Shakedown for @RallyTurkey complete and it's going to be a rough one, but our EcoBoost-powered Ford Fiesta WRC is #BuiltFordTough 💪 #WRC #FordPerformance #RallyTurkey https://t.co/L8s1hanpTw

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Post-Shakedown:

Breen stated he took time to adapt to gravel again as he had no PET.

Latvala said the Yaris was running maximum ride-height.

Neuville claimed the i20 felt strong and well-set-up for the rough roads.

Suninen said tyre management was going to be the key to a good rally.

[N.O.T]

I really wonder what you mean? If you are caring about political issues that is not define people.


that is the biggest joke ever... the people vote for politicians that create the problems... so yes the politicians of a country very much show the nature of the people.

[aykutbilir]

that is the biggest joke ever... the people vote for politicians that create the problems... so yes the politicians of a country very much show the nature of the people.

NOT as you told other this bar talk :)
And the service parks needs about here so.

Asparan is a little middle of nowhere but cmeler is very close. If you dont have your supplies you dont have any options to have free Redbull :))


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[JAM]

I really wonder what you mean? If you are caring about political issues that is not define people.


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You know what i mean, but i understand that you can't write it, othewise you'll have someone not very pleasent knocking at your door in a matter of hours...

Let's talk abou the rally itself!

Wjth so many rocks, it would be a trully casino in matter of punctures... it could decide the rally.

[aykutbilir]

You know what i mean, but i understand that you can't write it, othewise you'll have someone not very pleasent knocking at your door in a matter of hours...

Let's talk abou the rally itself!

Wjth so many rocks, it would be a trully casino in matter of punctures... it could decide the rally.

Man really i wonder what you imagine about here Nobody knock your foor if you dont break any law here as the most of the world. And yes back to rally..


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[racerx1979]

The rally and atmosphere have been very pleasant. The coast line is riddled with tourists (mainly Brits and Germans). I don't see anyone scared or acting bizarre. The locals are very kind especially outside of Marmaris and the organizers have been extremely friendly. Even the stage workers introduced themselves and told us to have a blast. People are drinking beer everywhere so its pretty laid back. Actually, in Finland or Germany you are not allowed to drink on the stages right? I'm not sure about the drinking laws here, but we saw plenty of people drinking and none of them were arrested. My only complaint was that the service park was quiet without many food options. That might change as today was shakedown.

Lets try to be positive and enjoy the rally.

[dimviii]

michelin video
https://youtu.be/zp48kPlf6ho

[dimviii]

watch what size of stone they found at Sunninens arch
https://twitter.com/MSportLtd/status/1040218448029265920

[EstWRC]

Actually, in Finland you are not allowed to drink on the stages right?.

Lets try to be positive and enjoy the rally.

what? The finns are drunk as f@ck always on the stages and having a 24 pack estonian gin or beer with them on every stage.

[Tauri_J]

Never been on a rally where drinking is not allowed. of course, you have to behave yourself.

[N.O.T]

all countries are shit on different levels and things...

be cool and enjoy the rally...

[dimviii]

https://scontent.fbru3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41725347_10156620391153728_5089464197683609600_o.j pg?_nc_cat=0&oh=7ab42a433386b17ea6a0d783f0af4778&oe=5C18CA38
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_09_2018/post-3242-0-02407100-1536845445.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_09_2018/post-3242-0-68375900-1536845459.jpg
https://scontent.fath3-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41669941_1739185359541434_4243275023835463680_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=14f0711a04d17a789e77c00d838ebf7d&oe=5C29AD3D
https://scontent.fath3-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41611847_1739184666208170_7146840797613129728_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=fad37db30a7351321969d58128ec84ab&oe=5C23B26E
https://scontent.fath3-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41650115_1739185406208096_5909998518260465664_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=665da7a512631729ecfcd7d9ec1c54c4&oe=5C3B8921
https://www.facebook.com/rallypixels/photos/a.1737882983005005/1739185349541435/?type=3&theater

[bomber21]

Amazing photos! I will be in Marmaris in an hour.

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/432795/

https://www.ewrc-results.com/photo/44264-rally-turkey-marmaris-2018/

[dimviii]

video
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/26903-shakedown-rally-turkey-2018-jr-rallye/

[Jarek Z]

Look at those stones!
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/432771/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/432764/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/432792/

[aykutbilir]

Look at those stones!
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/432771/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/432764/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/432792/

Probably crews right too many “dont cut” guys make me laugh.

And i have to say 2016 event is worst than this


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[Jarek Z]

video
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/26903-shakedown-rally-turkey-2018-jr-rallye/

Look at 1:25 and 3:33. The front left part of Ostberg's car destroyed by the stones!

[Jarek Z]

On the other hand... some very cool historic cars :)
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/432762/

[aykutbilir]

On the other hand... some very cool historic cars :)
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/432762/

All owned and driven by Ford Motorsport Turkey manager Serdar Bostanci


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[Jarek Z]

All owned and driven by Ford Motorsport Turkey manager Serdar Bostanci

The father of Murat :)
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/432779/

[aykutbilir]

The father of Murat :)

Exactly You can say Murat has a big legacy from his father.


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[mknight]

Look at 1:25 and 3:33. The front left part of Ostberg's car destroyed by the stones!

And yet he still massively cuts that corner almost bottoming out.... is that really necessary? Even more on shakedown?

[AnttiL]

Latvala shakedown onboard https://youtu.be/GkczBo5bHas

[aykutbilir]

And the rain started!
This means holy freak!
Hope it will not continue to rain because if it rains at Marmaris it pours like hell.. (proven by me)


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[EstWRC]

"There are so many big rocks out there," he said. "You're going to have to hold your tongue in the right way and drive over them. If it's your lucky weekend, it's your lucky weekend.

"It's definitely going to be a lottery this one.

"We will get a bit of a gain with the sweeping, but what we gain there we'll lose with the rocks being pulled out that we have to dodge - and some of those are going to be so big that you do have to drive around them. We're definitely talking about football-sized rocks.



https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/138677/crews-braced-for-roughest-event-at-rally-turkey

[satukata]

alllive not working?

[KKS]

Any livestream link?

[salamaja]

alllive not working?
Working. Logout/Login.

[EstWRC]

lol what a useless stage again

[salamaja]

Any livestream link?

http://cdn.livetvcdn.net/webplayer.php?t=ifr&c=1006680&lang=en&eid=703933&lid=1006680&ci=547&si=7

[Tauri_J]

What a shit of a stage

[EstWRC]

no grip at all for Paddon, two mistakes already

E: make it three now

[Simmi]

Nice little battle between events to see who can put on the worst super special.

[BigWorm]

Nice little battle between events to see who can put on the worst super special.

We've gone from a bad one in Germany to this!

[EstWRC]

very very nice drive by Breen, so clean

[KKS]

http://cdn.livetvcdn.net/webplayer.php?t=ifr&c=1006680&lang=en&eid=703933&lid=1006680&ci=547&si=7
didn't work for me

[PLuto]

didn't work for me

You missed nothing...