Drivers that should be replaced after half 2017

[Sulland]

Kvyat - Toro Rosso out - ? In
Palmer - Renault out - Kubica in

More suggestions?

[The Black Knight]

Raikkonen - he is way too far behind Vettel. Been asleep longer than sleeping beauty. Good performances here and there but he is too slow overall.

Disagree entirely on Palmer. He has had terrible luck. I think his pace has improved relative to Hulkenberg's recently as well.

As for kvyatt, he is running out of time but it appears as though Torro Rossi will keep him for 2018.

[N. Jones]

I can't agree more with Sulland.

Kvyat us being out performed by Sainz, again.
Palmer has been out of the points just as consistently as Hulkenberg has been in. Put Fernando here instead and watch them challenge for a podium next season.
Raikkonen can be replaced by whomever. I love the guy but he is sadly past it.

[Sulland]

Raikkonen - he is way too far behind Vettel. Been asleep longer than sleeping beauty. Good performances here and there but he is too slow overall.

Disagree entirely on Palmer. He has had terrible luck. I think his pace has improved relative to Hulkenberg's recently as well.


Raikkonen will go, but not until end of season I think.

Renault has improved, so also both drivers. But Palmer, has he shown enough? I still think Kubica deserves another go.

[truefan72]

I like kyvatt, i think he makes some errors, but i love his pace and feistyness.
there are 2 drivers who should be replaced
1. Palmer
2. Ericsson

Ericsson won't because of the money he brings in and with the new owners, they will allow him to continue his mediocre form
As for Palmer, he has been on borrowed time for a long time now. I was even surprised he made it to the grid in 2017

If rumors are to be believed, Palmer will be replaced by Sainz in Hungary and going forward
Gasley is set to take up that 2nd STR seat.
I wish they would instead keep Sainz and Kyvatt for the rest of the season and roll the dice with Kubica.
If that doesn't work out then move Sainz later in the the year

[Duncan]

I was also a little surprised to still see Palmer with a drive this year. I do feel bad for him, though; although he clearly hasn't performed in the car, he's had all kinds of reliability issues that have constantly put him on the back foot and denied him getting the miles in.

All that said, I don't think Renault can put up with the obvious pace deficit to Hulkenberg much longer.

[Rollo]

Raikkonen will go, but not until end of season I think.

One of the conditions for Vettel's renegotiation of contract with Ferrari appears to be Kimi staying at Ferrari.

The reason I suspect is that they get on quite well and Seb would rather have a No.2 who isn't going to infuriate him.

[Sulland]

One of the conditions for Vettel's renegotiation of contract with Ferrari appears to be Kimi staying at Ferrari.

The reason I suspect is that they get on quite well and Seb would rather have a No.2 who isn't going to infuriate him.

Or beat him.
Kimi is the Iceman, and is supposed to be cool and uninterested to media.

[Mia 01]

The rumour is that Kimi already been offered a contract for next year but for a rather small fee. Seb on the other hand has been offered a contract for three years, with a salary of estimated 120 million Euro !!!

[zako85]

Raikkonen - he is way too far behind Vettel. Been asleep longer than sleeping beauty. Good performances here and there but he is too slow overall.

I don't think that's enough to justify firing a driver in the middle of season. We know Kimi is behind Vettel, but that's probably why the management wants him employed anyways. Firing a driver in the middle of season should be based only on some kind of an extremely bad performance (think of something like Michael Andretti in 1993). Moreover, Ferrari is a business that certainly values brand awareness. Kimi is the last Ferrari world champion and someone who has been loyal to the team.

[zako85]

One of the conditions for Vettel's renegotiation of contract with Ferrari appears to be Kimi staying at Ferrari.

The reason I suspect is that they get on quite well and Seb would rather have a No.2 who isn't going to infuriate him.

I haven't run into this piece of news, but notice how carefully Seb and Kimi dance around each other on the race track. For example, the race start at Silverstone. They probably get along well.

[Warriwa]

Raikkonen - he is way too far behind Vettel. Been asleep longer than sleeping beauty. Good performances here and there but he is too slow overall.

Apparently Ferrari listened to recordings from the cockpit and discovered the reason for Kimi's sleeping problem is that he has been talking to himself while driving.

[COD]

Palmer obvious no1 candidate, no pace, no results...

Agree with Kvyat also, brings nothing but havoc.

Without daddy money, Stroll would also be a strong contender

As for Räikkönen, who would replace him that could get better results? A bit harsh talk here towards a Monaco pole setter who was also strong in Silverstone before tyre blowing.

[Mintexmemory]

I still think Kubica deserves another go.

It is sad but I don't think RK will ever be able to cut it one-handed. F1 above all requires speed of response to sudden situations, something that RK's injury has seriously degraded.

[BigWorm]

As for Räikkönen, who would replace him that could get better results? A bit harsh talk here towards a Monaco pole setter who was also strong in Silverstone before tyre blowing.

Probably only the Red Bull/Mercedes boys and Alonso, but they won't be joining.

I'd make a serious offer for Sainz. He needs a better car than the Toro Rosso and Red Bull is already set for the next season and maybe 2019 too. Put Sainz in the Ferrari and he will develop into a Grand Prix winner.

[Rollo]

As for Räikkönen, who would replace him that could get better results?

Kamui Kobayashi.

[Tazio]

Hey Baggie, what do you think about your headline grabbing prognosticator, always with the controversy. He seems to this casual observer that he is a rabble-rouser, not an objective reporter:


Williams deputy team principal Claire Williams has silenced former world champion Jacques Villeneuve’s criticism of rookie Lance Stroll, believing he is performing as was expected from the team.
Villeneuve, who drove for Williams for three seasons from 1996-1998, was vocal in his comments about the teenagers performances this season, labelling him as the worst rookie in Formula 1 history.
Just out of curiosity, what the hell is his motivation.

[Bagwan]

Hey Baggie, what do you think about your headline grabbing prognosticator, always with the controversy. He seems to this casual observer that he is a rabble-rouser, not an objective reporter:


Just out of curiosity, what the hell is his motivation.

It makes for a good story when the hometown hero doesn't endorse the new guy right away .
He was telling it as he saw it when he said he was the worst because he obviously expected more , given the preparation he had .

My two cents have it as a bit harsh from JV , as the kid's only 18 , but he had to post those results he did or Jacques wouldn't have looked so mean towards him at all .

Now that he has , JV still stands by his former opinion , but commended the lad for his efforts to get points and podium .
But , that doesn't get into the headline , because it's not controversial enough .

I think it's great that there's a rivalry there , with Jacques supposedly barred from the Williams garage .
I expect they'll get together at some point and reconcile , maybe with a poutine eating contest to settle the score .

[Tazio]

Sounds like a waste of time by the blabbermouth, but I guess in some circles when Jacques talks people listen, and I didn't read his entire commentary. Why not give me a link to his original comments. Not sure I can muddle all the way through, because I find him extremely arrogant,caustic, as well as reactive (worst F1 rookie of all time?), and it annoys the hell out of me.

[The Black Knight]

Sounds like a waste of time by the blabbermouth, but I guess in some circles when Jacques talks people listen, and I didn't read his entire commentary. Why not give me a link to his original comments. Not sure I can muddle all the way through, because I find him extremely arrogant,caustic, as well as reactive (worst F1 rookie of all time?), and it annoys the hell out of me.

I regard JV in the same light. He's probably one of the poorer WDC's we've ever had. And, lets face it, he only won the championship in the final race of the year in a season which his car was up to 0.5 tenths of a second ahead of the rest of the field. I don't really understand where his arrogance comes from, he wasn't great by any means, and in the latter part of his career he was extremely awful..

[Rollo]

http://readmotorsport.com/2017/07/23/williams-refutes-villeneuves-stroll-criticism/
Villeneuve, who drove for Williams for three seasons from 1996-1998, was vocal in his comments about the teenagers performances this season, labelling him as the worst rookie in Formula 1 history.
- Read Motorsport, 23rd Jul 2017

Just for reference sake:
Number of grands prix it took for Lance Stroll to get on the podium: 8
Number of grands prix it took for Giles Villeneuve to get on the podium: 15

Well done Jacques.

[AndyL]

No doubt Jacques would point out that in his rookie season, he finished on the podium in every race where he didn't crash or have technical trouble.
Of course he was 24 and reigning CART champion, not 18 and straight out of F3, and he was in the fortunate situation of stepping into a car that was by far the best on the grid. I wonder if that has coloured his judgment.

[Rollo]

No doubt Jacques would point out that in his rookie season, he finished on the podium in every race where he didn't crash or have technical trouble.
Of course he was 24 and reigning CART champion, not 18 and straight out of F3, and he was in the fortunate situation of stepping into a car that was by far the best on the grid. I wonder if that has coloured his judgment.

+1 This

In 1996 I was 18 and I would have also have finished on the podium in every race where I didn't crash or have technical trouble. I probably would have won the 1997 championship in the FW19 once Hill had left as well.
Jacques was smacked in the bum by a rainbow and the fact that he never won another GP from Luxembourg '97 onwards should be proof of that fact.

[Bagwan]

Hey , quit ragging on JV .
He was absolutely right in giving Stroll a hard time for his first part of the season .
It was pretty dismal looking with him sawing away at the wheel , never getting even close to Felipe .

All and sundry , not just Jacques , were on his case , saying he was out of his depth and only there because of his money .