[WRC] WRC Rally Sweden 2018 - February 15-18:

[cali]

Evans spun

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[EstWRC]

Tänak stopped it seems or just a glitch

he has definitely had a moment, Latvala is just behind him

[KKS]

Meeke +2min on split stopped on snowbank

[EightGear]

'All-live'

Right.

[EstWRC]

man i dont know, wrc plus live maps going crazy now but Tänak had speed 0km/h for a long time

[AL14]

Jesus christ Kris

[KKS]

Jesus christ Kris
again

[stefanvv]

'All-live'

Right.

So much happening, they can't catch it.

[AL14]

So much happening, they can't catch it.

So much happening, they are catching nothing. Going to cancel the subscription after this one.

[EstWRC]

dman Ott what did you do...this one goes for Latvala then

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So much happening, they can't catch it.

They must have multiple feeds and be able to cut to the crucial action.

[er88]

Fuck no Breen :(

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[AL14]

dman Ott what did you do...this one goes for Latvala then

Are you sure he is in trouble?

EDIT: yes you are sure indeed

[dimviii]

SAT 14:34 - SS13: BREEN
WRC TV crew reports Breen hit a snowbank hard at 2.7km. Rear left wheel arch damage.

[er88]

Evans, Meeke, Breen and Tanak all hitting trouble

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak says Meeke put him off while passing !

[EstWRC]

Meeke pushed Tänak while he tried to pass him?

[dimviii]

SAT 14:36 - SS13: TANAK
1m30sec off the pace. What happened? "I caught Kris, tried to get past in a narrow place and he pulled back and hit us off the road."

[jonkka]

Sounds like it's something we need to see from footage to fully understand.

[EstWRC]

Kris just confirmed it...ffs

[er88]

Tanak says Kris hit him. Kris says he was to the side in ditch and Tanak hit him. Carnage!!

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Doesnt look like Tanak went off to me...

[Augury]

That's pretty dumb from Meeke, should've let the faster car pass safely.

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/964856113358307328

[René]

Meeke car from Tanak car

[AL14]

But how about Tanaks problems before hitting Meeke? He lost a lot of time...

[EstWRC]

https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/964856113358307328

this wast later...the right moment happened quite early in the stage

[itix]

God damned this stage really.
The Meeke-Tanak incident will be looked at greatly for very long after this rally I feel!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen is ok after all ! :)

[ToyotaFan95]

I am assuming this was the 2nd time he tried to pass Meeke.

[AL14]

this wast later...the right moment happened quite early in the stage

Oh you mean he hit Meeke earlier, went off, catch him again and overtook him at the end of the stage?
If so that's a shame.

[er88]

Wtf is the issue? Tanak passed him if the video is true. If there's contact it's minimal and not what caused Tanaks error?

Or it happened earlier in stage before Tanak went off?

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[EstWRC]

Oh you mean he hit Meeke earlier, went off, catch him again and overtook him at the end of the stage?
If so that's a shame.


i understood so yes.

[ToyotaFan95]

Wtf is the issue? Tanak passed him if the video is true. If there's contact it's minimal and not what caused Tanaks error?

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It was the 2nd time he tried to pass Meeke. 1st attempt failed when they hit each other and Tanak went off.

[HaCo]

Omg, I away for 5 minutes...

So happy Breen is ok.

[dimviii]

Μeeke rear left damage
https://twitter.com/ma_ipp/status/964856928064163841

[er88]

It was the 2nd time he tried to pass Meeke. 1st attempt failed when they hit each other and Tanak went off.Oh right. What a disaster

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[EstWRC]

well luckily Ott only lost 1 place although im sure he would have caught Latvala.

Isnt his weekend after all.

[er88]

AllLive has been very good this weekend but this is when it let's us down. We've missed so much action

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Why they showing us Tanak's clean pass of Meeke not the one where he hit him off then ?

[dimviii]

SAT 14:40 - SS13: MEEKE
5m56sec off the pace. His car has rear left damage. What happened? "Simple mistake, I just nosed into a snow bank and when I got back out and got going I had no engine power. We got out and cleaned everything. Then Ott tried to pass me, I was right over in the ditch but he hit me and then he went off."

[EstWRC]

"I caught Kris, tried to get past in a narrow place and he pulled back and hit us off the road."


Kris: "I nosed into a snow bank and when I got back out everything was okay. Then Ott tried to pass me, I was half in the ditch when he hit me and went off."

[er88]

Big drama "AllMissed".

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[HaCo]

Neuville fastest :D

[jonkka]

Quoting the same quotes ten times over won't make the thing any clearer, does it?

[KKS]

Why they showing us Tanak's clean pass of Meeke not the one where he hit him off then ?
cuz they don't know when drama was be and didn't fly that place by helicopter?

[itix]

The onboards are going to be interesting to watch after this.
I don't know how much of it was kris's fault and how much was bad luck but I was impressed with his unusually clever driving up until this point.

Does anyone know at what point in the stage Tänak hit Meeke?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The onboards are going to be interesting to watch after this.
I don't know how much of it was kris's fault and how much was bad luck but I was impressed with his unusually clever driving up until this point.

Does anyone know at what point in the stage Tänak hit Meeke?

Meeke hit snowbank before 2km.

Tanak was stopped at 5.1km.

[KKS]

Does anyone know at what point in the stage Tänak hit Meeke?
Before 1st split

[tomhlord]

cuz they don't know when drama was be and didn't fly that place by helicopter?

The main thing here is they have onboard cameras and they have the ability to show replays. And instead of showing the incident, they showed the wrong bit — twice.

I'm loving AllLive, the next step is to have a better system in place for showing replays from the onboard cameras during the stage.

[itix]

Tanak was stopped at 5.1km.

Yeah it must have been early because he was 1m 51 down already at the first split and pretty consistent times after that. There must have been quite a few cars that passed Meeke in there. He was 6 m something down after all.

[dimviii]

Katsuta again faster...these pirellis must be a lot faster from michelins.

[dimviii]

SAT 14:56 - SS13: MEEKE UPDATE
Retired. He has stopped on the road section near to Hagfors town.

[jparker]

"Neuville and Mikkelsen can't performe under pressure" - Really?
"Mikkelsen has no pace over Neuville" - Well, he's seconds away from Neuville.
"Neuville said he would be champ last year" - well, at least he tried to do it in stile. Wining title without domination is just half of it.


And all of that negativism against Hyundai drivers completely unprovoked. Wow, well done forum stars.

[mknight]

Gotta applaud Breen, he tried a different tire strategy and pushed in first stage to put some pressure on. Doesn't look like it worked, but nice try anyway.

[dimviii]

Citroën Racing
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@CitroenRacing

Retirement for @krismeeke here at @RallySweden
Engine issue following an off into a snow bank.
#WRC #C3WRC

[Sulland]

Looks like temperatur is above 0 in the sun.
Eats away on the snow quickly.

could have stayed -5 for a few more days!! :talk:

[doubled1978]

We are missing something here, Meeke said he nosed into the bank, got out and cleared the snow and the engine had no power afterwards. At the stop control it didnt look smashed at the front? Then Tanak seems to have hit him going past and gone off, caught him again and passed him cleanly. What has caused the retirement?

[KKS]

The main thing here is they have onboard cameras and they have the ability to show replays. And instead of showing the incident, they showed the wrong bit — twice.

I'm loving AllLive, the next step is to have a better system in place for showing replays from the onboard cameras during the stage.
Are they? They replay only that what captured live. A biggest problem for rally-streaming still remain the same - connection.

[EstWRC]

man how hard it is them to show the onboard moment of Tänak Meeke?...pathetic

[itix]

This was a relatively incident free rally before SS13 and then there was the unlucky number nightmare stage :/
Shame, I was rooting for both Kris and Tänak.

[er88]

"Neuville said he would be champ last year" - well, at least he tried to do it in stile. Wining title without domination is just half of it.

LOL



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[itix]

Are they? They replay only that what captured live. A biggest problem for rally-streaming still remain the same - connection.



It's amazing how few people understand this!

They don't data dump all the video that they couldn't send when there wasn't any connection as soon as they have any. They send video real time only (because doing that would be impossible).

[er88]

We are missing something here, Meeke said he nosed into the bank, got out and cleared the snow and the engine had no power afterwards. At the stop control it didnt look smashed at the front? Then Tanak seems to have hit him going past and gone off, caught him again and passed him cleanly. What has caused the retirement?Protecting the engine.

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[Sulland]

Citroën Racing
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@CitroenRacing

Retirement for @krismeeke here at @RallySweden
Engine issue following an off into a snow bank.
#WRC #C3WRC

Strange. Sounded like a safemode issue. A clean of snow, and a reset should have fixed that. So something that has to,do with water is probably smashed.

[RS]

Are they not streaming multiple onboards to their mixing desk then and choosing what to broadcast?

Or can they only get feed from one car at a time?

[KKS]

man how hard it is them to show the onboard moment of Tänak Meeke?...pathetic
Hard, if they not prepared for that

[itix]

Strange. Sounded like a safemode issue. A clean of snow, and a reset should have fixed that. So something that has to,do with water is probably smashed.

Meeke was a mechanic so I am sure he can relay a thorough picture to the team.

[dimviii]

Strange. Sounded like a safemode issue. A clean of snow, and a reset should have fixed that. So something that has to,do with water is probably smashed.

maybe he didnt clear enough good the first time radiators?

[tomhlord]

Are they? They replay only that what captured live. A biggest problem for rally-streaming still remain the same - connection.


It's amazing how few people understand this!

I did say "I'm loving AllLive, the next step is to have a better system in place for showing replays from the onboard cameras during the stage." i.e. it's a work in progress, there's room for improvement, hope they can work out a way of showing replays. Looks like they were able to show the full Evans spin without that being live at the time.

Edit - I see you've edited you orignal post, smooth moves...

[KKS]

Are they not streaming multiple onboards to their mixing desk then and choosing what to broadcast?

Or can they only get feed from one car at a time?
If all cars run at same time at same place - they can stream all onboards. But cars started by 2min intervals and helicopter follow one car from the start to finish and then back "2min by the road" and follow next car.

They need 5-8 helicopters per stage to stream that you want. But it will not cost 9Euros per month

[er88]

Are they not streaming multiple onboards to their mixing desk then and choosing what to broadcast?

Or can they only get feed from one car at a time?They are yeah, there was pic tweeted of all the on boards streamed to them during Monte and they choose what to broadcast from there. They have Tanak's on-board working fine but I've noticed that all rally Meeke has had very little coverage in terms of his on-boards. Maybe an issue there? Not sure why they haven't got Tanak's onboard from earlier in the stage though

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[steve.mandzij]

Shame for Tanak and Meeke, neither of them deserving the incident. I just hope this doesn't spawn a couple more threads, flaming, and FIA reports by AnttiK.

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[EstWRC]

can Ott get the time back or is that out of question? or depending how the situation was?

[cali]

Shame for Tanak and Meeke, neither of them deserving the incident. I just hope this doesn't spawn a couple more threads, flaming, and FIA reports by AnttiK.

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[er88]

can Ott get the time back or is that out of question? or depending how the situation was?We don't even know what happened yet. If Meeke pulled into him and shunted him off the road he'd get time back id hope. If Meeke is pulled over and Tanak hasn't slowed enough to get past safely there's no chance and it's Tanak's fault.

We just don't know and both drivers have totally different accounts of what happened.

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[EstWRC]

and they didnt ask now Tänak what happened exactly? unbelievable

[itix]

can Ott get the time back or is that out of question? or depending how the situation was?

I'd doubt it unfortunately. I've never heard of anyone getting time back for hitting someone and getting stuck before. It might be a first, but don't get your hopes up!

[AL14]

and they didnt ask now Tänak what happened exactly? unbelievable

That's the real problem. You can understand issues like the stage before because it's only the second rally since All live is a thing but they are not even bothering.

[er88]

Jari sounds like he's having a meltdown

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[cali]

Yes Jari, the car is at fault...

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[dimviii]

Jari sounds like he's having a meltdown

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i think he is already cracked.

[EstWRC]

Ogier now 10th but it seems he is still only second on the road in Mexico. Neuville will be cleaning if he wins tomorrow, will be interesting ;)

[steve.mandzij]

i think he is already cracked.God save his mental coach.

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[steve.mandzij]

Ogier now 10th but it seems he is still only second on the road in Mexico. Neuville will be cleaning if he wins tomorrow, will be interesting ;)Oh, get ready for a shower of comments about luck and punches at the steering wheel from the Belgian then :/

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another superb stage by Breen... looks very confident.

[dimviii]

Neuville with very fast 1st split

[jparker]

Now comes the difficult part for Neuville, the Super Special. Is the concrete wall still there?

[EstWRC]

it seems Neuville wants to give the win away again, almost managed it on Colins crest

[KKS]

Crazy drive from Neuville here... by time and by that crazy jump. A bit more rotation and that was pure side roll

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Crazy jump by Neuville ! :disturb:

[spiderem]

will AnttiK7 report ott to the FIA for the incident with Meeke?

[salamaja]

will AnttiK7 report ott to the FIA for the incident with Meeke?

Let it be. Time to get over it.

[mousti]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t35.0-12/28169788_10213851296573252_368352630_o.png?oh=f5f6 5e78df5699649b40514498102824&oe=5A8A2C06

[er88]

Is the media zone next before the mickey mouse stages tonight?

We really need to hear what actually happened between Ott and Meeke. Sounded like both had a big difference in opinion about what went on. The whole of Estonia is waiting to get the pitchforks out ;)

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[KKS]

The whole of Estonia is waiting to get the pitchforks out ;)


:D

[krzaki]

It's reverse actually
No two days are same starting order....I found change rules for this year on FIA website...

[AL14]

God save his mental coach.

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Does he work with him still? He did not that great job lol

[KKS]

No two days are same starting order....I found change rules for this year on FIA website...
No. It used at 2015 and 2016.
Now 1st day at championship order. Day2 and 3 reverse P1 drivers, P1 Rally2 drivers open road, all other at o/a standings

[er88]

Does he work with him still? He did not that great job lolSome people's mentality can be beyond repair I'm afraid.

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[KKS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ImbgvnrMkI Michelin Day2 video

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t35.0-12/28169788_10213851296573252_368352630_o.png?oh=f5f6 5e78df5699649b40514498102824&oe=5A8A2C06

Does this count as a lucky moment for Neuville seeing as his fans always point out Ogier's ?

[EstWRC]

lol, Kris was in the studio and they didnt ask nothing about the Tänak incident.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

lol, Kris was in the studio and they didnt ask nothing about the Tänak incident.

Bizarre. Like yesterday's WRC.com highlights had no stage ends with Ogier and Tanak complaining...

[dimviii]

SAT 17:41 - MEEKE UPDATE
His retirement was related to a turbo problem. His car is back in service and the team is investigating whether Kris can restart on Sunday.

[PLuto]

SAT 17:41 - MEEKE UPDATE
His retirement was related to a turbo problem. His car is back in service and the team is investigating whether Kris can restart on Sunday.

Yes, but this info has nothing to do with that accident.

[Integrale]

Does this count as a lucky moment for Neuville seeing as his fans always point out Ogier's ?
It counts as a stupid moment. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRqnmzNZB6Y

[dimviii]

Yes, but this info has nothing to do with that accident.

yes i dont think that has something to do with accident too

[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iknl7IDxtYk

[dimviii]

SAT 18:15 - SS15: TIDEMAND VS KATSUTA
WRC 2 leader Katsuta is quickest. He says: "Now we are leading but tomorrow we have long stages and the rally is not over yet. A great day today, no issues. We need to continue like this." Tidemand says: "A good stage but to try and catch the guys on the Pirelli tyres here is not easy - I do my best."

[dimviii]

eWRC-results
If @thierryneuville wins @RallySweden, he will be only the third non-scandinavian winner after @SebastienLoeb and @SebOgier ! All winners https://www.ewrc-results.com/events/22-rally-sweden/ …

[dimviii]

yes i dont think that has something to do with accident too



krismeeke.com
“I nosed into a snowbank in a 2nd gear corner. Lost minimal time, but unfortunately some snow passed through to the turbo and meant we had to retire for the day. Now hoping my teammate @Craig_Breen can bring home the result he deserves after an awesome performance!”

[HaCo]

eWRC-results
If @thierryneuville wins @RallySweden, he will be only the third non-scandinavian winner after @SebastienLoeb and @SebOgier ! All winners https://www.ewrc-results.com/events/22-rally-sweden/ …

Or Breen :-)

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rally_sweden_2018/hfr_dsc_8031.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rally_sweden_2018/hfr_dsc_8410.jpg
https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2018/photos/rally_sweden_2018/hfr_dsc_8441.jpg

[EstWRC]

Tänak - Meeke accident https://www.instagram.com/p/BfTrO3vFzjv/?taken-by=_adamjohansson

Tänaks fault IMO, should have waited for wider space or something

[cali]

Tänak - Meeke accident https://www.instagram.com/p/BfTrO3vFzjv/?taken-by=_adamjohansson

Tänaks fault IMO, should have waited for wider space or somethingExactly, tried to overtake too fast while there wasn't any room for that.

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[EstWRC]

and here is a onboard of it, starts at 0:50 https://sport.postimees.ee/4413225/postimehe-video-skandaalne-avarii-tanak-ja-meeke-pole-kumbki-suuta

E: from the instagram video it seems like it is so tight and then the snowbank in the left throws Tänak into Meeke?

[mknight]

and here is a onboard of it, starts at 0:50 https://sport.postimees.ee/4413225/postimehe-video-skandaalne-avarii-tanak-ja-meeke-pole-kumbki-suuta

E: from the instagram video it seems like it is so tight and then the snowbank in the left throws Tänak into Meeke?

Yeah I'd say that too. From outside it looks like Tanak moves back right, but it's most likely the snowbank pushing him back. From his view it might have looked like Meeke moved, but that wasn't the case.

Btw. Meeke's off was quite innocent compared to 2x Evans and Lappi.

[dimviii]

definetely Tanaks mistake.Pitty that at stage end said that Meeke forced him out of road.

[er88]

Jesus Tanak had some cheek saying "Meeke turned into me" LOL. Guess it was just frustration getting a bit too much for him.

End of the day, unfortunate for Tanak that cost him time and Meeke was unlucky to retire from that small off. Not the best of weekends for both, but Mexico should be better for them

[Tarmop]

https://www.upload.ee/image/8055667/otmeeke.jpg

Well, just a bad situation where no one is to blame...or both equally.

[KKS]

definetely Tanaks mistake.Pitty that at stage end said that Meeke forced him out of road.
And it's second time this weekend Tanak blame someone and after must to apologize. It's didn't feel like about him, more about Ogier. One season with Ogier make that...

[EstWRC]

yes, he has become this forums public enemy nr1 this weekend

[macebig]

Just an unlucky incident. Tanak caught Meeke in a narrow place, and simply there wasn't enough room for 2 WRC cars side to side.

[A FONDO]

What a dumbass move by Tanak. And his big mouth recently, he definitely lost his mind after moving in the new team.

[steve.mandzij]

What a dumbass move by Tanak. And his big mouth recently, he definitely lost his mind after moving in the new team.Nonsense. I was very annoyed by his complaints and conspiracies over the snow ploughing on Friday, but he did apologize for that later. The Meeke incident was 100% a misjudgment on his part, so he was very wrong to blame Meeke; however, keep in mind that in the heat of the moment details are lost, and we don't even know what he could recollect after the incident because no interviews said anything else afterwards. He might also feel like apologizing again but nobody asked him about it.

I might have suffered today when he began cracking Latvala but Tanak is a class act almost all the time.

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[KKS]

https://twitter.com/SimonLofstrom/status/964937897408454656
Meeke off

[COD]

https://www.upload.ee/image/8055667/otmeeke.jpg

Well, just a bad situation where no one is to blame...or both equally.

On that picture, Meeke has his wheels turned back to road, just when Tänak tries to pass. But, looking at the incar, Meeke tries to pull to the side, the place is just too narrow and Ott is just too impatient. Just one of those things really

[mknight]

Meeke has the wheels a bit to the left almost all the time to avoid getting stuck in the ditch. He's not moving left.

[seb_sh]

Great rally so far, unfortunately i couldn't watch all stages live but caught up now. Some good battles, too bad they're not showing more of WRC2 that was also very contested!

About the various comments and frustrations of drivers, I think Julian Porter mentioned this also, remember they are asking the drivers stuff seconds after they finish the stage, most likely nerves are still tense and adrenaline is high so they can sometimes say things in the heat of the moment and after they calm down a bit maybe they would have a bit different view. So maybe we should take those comments a bit more lightly.

It seems Neuville is confirming his speed from last year, with a good help from the road position. Tanak did a great job to bring the fight to Latvala, i guess his rushed passing of Meeke was also because he wanted to win that fight. Also decent run by Mikkelsen and Paddon. But for me man of the rally so far is Craig Breen. I hope i don't jinx him!

As for the cars in general the Hyundai seems a good fit for this rally, can't say much about Ford or Toyota because of the road but I did expect a bit more from Toyota, however the big surprise is Citroen, after what they showed last year on this rally this performance is night and day.

As a final impression i'm (pleasantly) surprised so many drivers are still on the road with no rally2 and no crashes or big offs!

[KKS]

Quite interesting onboard from Ott.

http://i.piccy.info/i9/5c681254f454ddbdc4682039e5fd2864/1518901184/225053/1149228/Tanak_SS13_Sweden_2018.jpg

Martin didn't fasten his seatbelts before Ott start moving. And he drive over 90kph without seatbelts.
As I remember Loeb get 2min penalty for this kind of situation at Sardegna 2008? 2009? when Elena jump into a car after tyre change and didn't fasten seatbelts before car starts to move.

[N.O.T]

Quite interesting onboard from Ott.

http://i.piccy.info/i9/5c681254f454ddbdc4682039e5fd2864/1518901184/225053/1149228/Tanak_SS13_Sweden_2018.jpg

Martin didn't fasten his seatbelts before Ott start moving. And he drive over 90kph without seatbelts.
As I remember Loeb get 2min penalty for this kind of situation at Sardegna 2008? 2009? when Elena jump into a car after tyre change and didn't fasten seatbelts before car starts to move.

where is that low life waste of oxygen dog to snitch on him again ??? his mommy... i mean FIA has to know !!!!!

[TypeR]

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[Micke_VOC]

Meeke/Tanak incident from a other view... (From front of the cars)
https://www.facebook.com/goran.larsson.501/posts/10211981982168062 (https://www.facebook.com/lars.olsson.927/posts/10212858643153769)

EDIT// Looks that the link isnt working, but go to Enthusiasts of Rally Swed (https://www.facebook.com/groups/EnthusiastsofRallySweden/?ref=group_header)en Facebook.

[drive]

Great rally so far, unfortunately i couldn't watch all stages live but caught up now. Some good battles, too bad they're not showing more of WRC2 that was also very contested!

About the various comments and frustrations of drivers, I think Julian Porter mentioned this also, remember they are asking the drivers stuff seconds after they finish the stage, most likely nerves are still tense and adrenaline is high so they can sometimes say things in the heat of the moment and after they calm down a bit maybe they would have a bit different view. So maybe we should take those comments a bit more lightly.

It seems Neuville is confirming his speed from last year, with a good help from the road position. Tanak did a great job to bring the fight to Latvala, i guess his rushed passing of Meeke was also because he wanted to win that fight. Also decent run by Mikkelsen and Paddon. But for me man of the rally so far is Craig Breen. I hope i don't jinx him!

As for the cars in general the Hyundai seems a good fit for this rally, can't say much about Ford or Toyota because of the road but I did expect a bit more from Toyota, however the big surprise is Citroen, after what they showed last year on this rally this performance is night and day.

As a final impression i'm (pleasantly) surprised so many drivers are still on the road with no rally2 and no crashes or big offs!

re after stage comments: exactly - drivers are 'hot' and do say what is 'hot' in their mind. Do we want to hear 'polished' PR bullsh** like in F1? thanks god that some drivers speak what they feel at the moment - sometimes they wrong, sometimes funny and whatever - but those are real tense emotions, and I want them! and more than half a sentence :)

[focus206]

Not many mistakes by the WRC drivers in this rally, and only 1 retirement. Tomorrow only 3 stages but 2 are 20+ Km, so things can still happen. Neuville has just to control, this is a very good chance, I hope he won't throw it away (again). Also great rally by Breen, he would totally deserve to be on the podium.

[PLuto]

Starting order to Sunday - https://rally-base.com/2018/rally-sweden-2018/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=865

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWRHZuFXcAIQR5A.jpg

[EstWRC]

Meeke/Tanak incident from a other view... (From front of the cars)
https://www.facebook.com/goran.larsson.501/posts/10211981982168062 (https://www.facebook.com/lars.olsson.927/posts/10212858643153769)

EDIT// Looks that the link isnt working, but go to Enthusiasts of Rally Swed (https://www.facebook.com/groups/EnthusiastsofRallySweden/?ref=group_header)en Facebook.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10211981982168062&id=1328118040&refid=18&ref=group_header&_ft_=qid.6523638789009621565%3Amf_story_key.176922 5953151953%3Atop_level_post_id.1769225953151953%3A tl_objid.1769225953151953%3Asrc.22&__tn__=%2As%2AsH-R

[A FONDO]

Meeke/Tanak incident from a other view... (From front of the cars)
https://www.facebook.com/goran.larsson.501/posts/10211981982168062 (https://www.facebook.com/lars.olsson.927/posts/10212858643153769)

EDIT// Looks that the link isnt working, but go to Enthusiasts of Rally Swed (https://www.facebook.com/groups/EnthusiastsofRallySweden/?ref=group_header)en Facebook.

So it was actually him pushing Meeke deeper in the ditch, despite claiming the opposite! He needs a penalty of one rally ban to sort himself, if he can.

[lnvs]

Martin didn't fasten his seatbelts before Ott start moving. And he drive over 90kph without seatbelts.He did almost 120 and Martin said something to him(asked to slow down because of belts?). Looks like Martin never put left belt properly over his shoulder. It was between his back and seat rest of the stage. :rolleyes:


gps glitch, end of story
You can hear/see from the onboard Ott is accelerating pretty hard about 10sec before Martin says something....

[stefanvv]

Meeke has the wheels a bit to the left almost all the time to avoid getting stuck in the ditch. He's not moving left.

Credits for Meeke trying to make room for him to overtake. It was actually the Yaris which moved to the right, quite possibly due to the snow bank push back, but anyway unfair to blame Meeke for anything.

[Micke_VOC]

Do we know how much stud overhang they are using today?
do all now use ice tyres with 6mm overhang, or are some on snow with 8mm?

Michelin 6,5 mm
Pirelli 7 mm

[Sulland]

https://www.upload.ee/image/8055667/otmeeke.jpg

Well, just a bad situation where no one is to blame...or both equally.

Looks like the road is getting narrower on the right side, and that it was not room to pass there. Meeke can not get further to the right. It is hard to see if Tanaks car is in a straight line, and where on his car he hits the Citroen.

Looks like an racing incident.

[KKS]

He did almost 120 and Martin said something to him(asked to slow down because of belts?). Looks like Martin never put left belt properly over his shoulder. It was between his back and seat rest of the stage. :rolleyes:


You can hear/see from the onboard Ott is accelerating pretty hard about 10sec before Martin says something....
I think he slowdown cuz he don't know what will be road ahead, drive by his eyes and wait when Martin could find right page in pacenotes.

[KKS]

however, keep in mind that in the heat of the moment details are lost, and we don't even know what he could recollect after the incident because no interviews said anything else afterwards. He might also feel like apologizing again but nobody asked him about it.

He didn't apologize, but he pleaded guilty himself in that accident in interview at final night regroup

[Franky]

Storm in a tea cup should become the slogan of this season based on the first two rounds.

[drive]

Meeke - Tanak - racing incident. One tried to leave space for overtaking(road was to narrow, so not enough room left), another took a chance - and not succeeded... so basic racing incident, but I can see that matter will be dragged for at least 10 pages with loads of insults...
Getting my popcorn :)

[Tarmop]

Actually both have calmed down, analysed the situation and said that it was just bad luck with both sides responsible. No need to go any further.

[stefanvv]

Meeke - Tanak - racing incident. One tried to leave space for overtaking(road was to narrow, so not enough room left), another took a chance - and not succeeded... so basic racing incident, but I can see that matter will be dragged for at least 10 pages with loads of insults...
Getting my popcorn :)

They should had given up already.

[mknight]

Not many mistakes by the WRC drivers in this rally, and only 1 retirement.


Actually I was just thinking that almost everyone made a mistake. It's just that the deep(and not too hard) snowbanks let them get away with it. (Alternatively you can say that they make mistakes cause they risk more because of snowbanks)

To list from top
Neuville - spin SS10
Breen -into a bank SS8
Mikkelsen - spin SS10
Paddon - spin SS16
Østberg - nothing
Lappi - snowbank SS6
Latvala - nothing just very wide with timeloss on SS10
Sunninen - spin and snowbank SS10 and SS11
Tanak - crashout with Meeke
Ogier - spin SS7
Evans - at least 3? spins

[RS]

Great rally so far, unfortunately i couldn't watch all stages live but caught up now. Some good battles, too bad they're not showing more of WRC2 that was also very contested!


Yes, on this afternoon's tv stage they instead chose to show replays of the jump several times and Neuville on the road section.

[Micke_VOC]

The Swedish Television coverage from today was very very good ! ( 1 Hour long)
A good mix from official WRC-clips and own reports and also some deeper reports how the team work with collecting what to do with the car on service and difference between the drivers pace note system and how the pace notes works.

Tumbs up for that ! I hope some of the guests here in Sweden seen it and could understand the parts were they talked English =)

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/SimonLofstrom/status/964937897408454656
Meeke off

at this video you cant hear the engine just before he touched the snowbank.If i remember correct Meeke said that engine stalled and he went to snowbank?

[dimviii]

https://scontent.fbru3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/27993579_10156238095399973_3885462323850303447_o.j pg?oh=1f5aa5fda53b700ec38831e3d097e416&oe=5B00292C
https://scontent.fbru3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/27983017_10156238095404973_1901522127286476416_o.j pg?oh=4f95e3ca7612dbb58d816d66d9916d86&oe=5B20945B
https://scontent.fbru3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/28161988_10156238095394973_5699359399849601673_o.j pg?oh=a7814ec712c6da4267c987dfeb986004&oe=5B00A2F1

[dimviii]

https://scontent.fbru3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/27993579_10156238095399973_3885462323850303447_o.j pg?oh=1f5aa5fda53b700ec38831e3d097e416&oe=5B00292C
https://scontent.fbru3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/27983017_10156238095404973_1901522127286476416_o.j pg?oh=4f95e3ca7612dbb58d816d66d9916d86&oe=5B20945B
https://scontent.fbru3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/28161988_10156238095394973_5699359399849601673_o.j pg?oh=a7814ec712c6da4267c987dfeb986004&oe=5B00A2F1

[dimviii]

ziggysony day 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXYT20pOl5E

[dimviii]

passats de canto video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL5e0C4bysc

[steve.mandzij]

Actually I was just thinking that almost everyone made a mistake. It's just that the deep(and not too hard) snowbanks let them get away with it. (Alternatively you can say that they make mistakes cause they risk more because of snowbanks)

To list from top
Neuville - spin SS10
Breen -into a bank SS8
Mikkelsen - spin SS10
Paddon - spin SS16
Østberg - nothing
Lappi - snowbank SS6
Latvala - nothing just very wide with timeloss on SS10
Sunninen - spin and snowbank SS10 and SS11
Tanak - crashout with Meeke
Ogier - spin SS7
Evans - at least 3? spinsLatvala's just been consistently mediocre :(

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[KKS]

at this video you cant hear the engine just before he touched the snowbank.If i remember correct Meeke said that engine stalled and he went to snowbank?
Nope, he just went wide there and sucked into snowbank. Then engine lost power and has turbo warning, Kris thought that it was just snow on radiator stop and send Paul to check and clean that snow, but there was no snow. He think that snow could get into air intake and damaged turbo.

But that turbo sounds before his off - sound weird.

[Sulland]

Why has Henning gotten +6,20 min from the stewards?

[mousti]

Why has Henning gotten +6,20 min from the stewards?Too much turbo pressure and overboosts.

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[EstWRC]

Meeke will restart today.

[RS]

Meeke will restart today.

Hopefully he can at least salvage some powerstage points.

[EstWRC]

I doubt because he will be first on the road for power stage.

Remember they put rally2 guys in front for that stage.

[KiwiWRCfan]

Why has Henning gotten +6,20 min from the stewards?
Stewards ruling here http://rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/stewards-decision-no.-2.pdf
5 minutes due to exceeding maximum turbo pressure on SS1 to SS4

[RS]

I doubt because he will be first on the road for power stage.

Remember they put rally2 guys in front for that stage.

Has there been fresh snow?

[EstWRC]

I don’t know but the torsby stage is quite snowy anyway

[EstWRC]

Light snow continuing to fall on the Linkenas stage giving a very fine dusting on the road. Forecast is for it to continue on and off all morning. Not expecting any heavy snow however. Temp -4c at stop line

[AnttiL]

Actually I was just thinking that almost everyone made a mistake. It's just that the deep(and not too hard) snowbanks let them get away with it. (Alternatively you can say that they make mistakes cause they risk more because of snowbanks)

To list from top
Neuville - spin SS10
Breen -into a bank SS8
Mikkelsen - spin SS10
Paddon - spin SS16
Østberg - nothing
Lappi - snowbank SS6
Latvala - nothing just very wide with timeloss on SS10
Sunninen - spin and snowbank SS10 and SS11
Tanak - crashout with Meeke
Ogier - spin SS7
Evans - at least 3? spins

https://twitter.com/AnttiL_WRC/status/965108581073850368

Just made the same list...Østberg's only mistake has been only going wide at the end of Hagfors.

[cosmin_sb]

Sunninen pass Ostberg in general standing

[KKS]

Lappi did the same.
And Meeke had a spin at the beginning

[jonkka]

Sunninen pass Ostberg in general standing

What are you babbling about?

[mknight]

Top speeds trough finish there:

Toyotas 198-197
Fords 194 ish
Citroen 192
Hyundais 189

This is pretty much the same numbers as we saw in Finland last year.

[cosmin_sb]

sorry, it is Lappi

[EstWRC]

Lappi will defnitely get Paddon too

Neuville gave tons of time away i would say

[Bartek]

I hope fight it's not over, Go Craig

[stefanvv]

Actually I was just thinking that almost everyone made a mistake. It's just that the deep(and not too hard) snowbanks let them get away with it. (Alternatively you can say that they make mistakes cause they risk more because of snowbanks)

To list from top
Neuville - spin SS10
Breen -into a bank SS8
Mikkelsen - spin SS10
Paddon - spin SS16
Østberg - nothing
Lappi - snowbank SS6
Latvala - nothing just very wide with timeloss on SS10
Sunninen - spin and snowbank SS10 and SS11
Tanak - crashout with Meeke
Ogier - spin SS7
Evans - at least 3? spins

Meeke just scored.

[TypeR]

Meeke showing ,,skill'' while driving 190kmh and steering with one hand, drinking with another.. very necessary 3-5s before stageend

[KKS]

Meeke showing ,,skill'' while driving 190kmh and steering with one hand, drinking with another.. very necessary 3-5s before stageend
He just scratching his beard. Too boring stage for him, he didn't know what he can do else at rally car on special stage :)

[Bartek]

He just scratching his beard. Too boring stage for him, he didn't know what he can do else at rally car on special stage :)

When I'm looking at his face after every stage here in Sweden and in Monte I think that his days in Citroen may be numbered

[GravelBen]

I remember reading a story from one of the older generation drivers (maybe Blomquist or Waldegaard?) about taking sandwiches to eat on the straights in the Saab 96, I guess they only have time for a drink now that cars are faster.

[KKS]

Spin for Meeke
https://twitter.com/OfficialWRC/status/965133876304769024

Perfect cameraman position

[EstWRC]

Leave Meeke alone already

[mknight]

Leave Meeke alone already

If you make a crying video about it we have a deal ;)

[AnttiL]

Great fights for last day. Neuville-Breen, Paddon-Lappi-Østberg and Katsuta-Tidemand

[KKS]

Road condition looks good for stage re-run

[stefanvv]

If you make a crying video about it we have a deal ;)

Only Pink Floyd can do that.

[KKS]

Uhh great splits from Suninen and Latvala!

[EstWRC]

Ott is saving tyres, said it on regroup.

[EstWRC]

Paddon wont give up!

[KKS]

Ohhh I so excited with that speed and battles! ^_^

[EstWRC]

Paddon stayed ahead of Lappi with 2.9 seconds

[Rally Hokkaido]

It's going to be a big fight between Lappi and Paddon for 4th place!

[stefanvv]

Neuville won't give away those seconds after all

[KKS]

Nikara win second stage in a row at WRC2!

[KKS]

Bergkvist just 9.5 sec beheind Radstorm at JWRC after SS17 and now he quicker by 4.3sec at 2nd split. Probably lead change here

[jparker]

Lappi will defnitely get Paddon too

Wrong prediction.

[jparker]

I hope fight it's not over, Go Craig

Wrong prediction

[KKS]

Wrong prediction.
You have your own crystal ball?

[AnttiL]

nikara win second stage in a row at wrc2!

rc2.

[PLuto]

Nikara win second stage in a row at WRC2!

Not. "Only" in RC2 :)

[jparker]

It's going to be a big fight between Lappi and Paddon for 4th place!

Yes, Lappi is on fire, but 3sec for 9 km is kind of hard.

[Tarmop]

Not that hard if you look back at this morning. Though Paddon won`t give up i think.

[KKS]

Not. "Only" in RC2 :)
:\\:look:

He with Pirelli?

[rp]

:\\:look:

He with Pirelli?

Yes, All TMR drivers using Pirelli

[jparker]

You have your own crystal ball?

No, I stole the one from Mintex guy. He was hiding it.

[Mintexmemory]

No, I stole the one from Mintex guy. He was hiding it.

Bloody well get yer own!! No crystal ball required to state Neuville has been known to make a balls-up on the last stage!!

[dimviii]

Αbbring crash
https://youtu.be/uNgL09uxO5Q

[GravelBen]

Bloody well get yer own!! No crystal ball required to state Neuville has been known to make a balls-up on the last stage!!

So has Mikkelsen... and Ogier... and Latvala... and Meeke... is there anyone there who hasn't had a final stage mistake? ;)

(at least its not a superspecial with a concrete wall)

[KKS]

Αbbring crash
https://youtu.be/uNgL09uxO5Q
He again on his crash run.
Even Meeke has less "red text" on resluts
https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/2083-kevin-abbring/

[dimviii]

have we seen this video by gnk?
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/24912-rally-sweden-2018-saturday-action-mistakes/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good luck Craig Breen.. just bring it home.

[A FONDO]

have we seen this video by gnk?
https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/24912-rally-sweden-2018-saturday-action-mistakes/

I have, and it's a good one ;)

Here acestream://4c4924b08e1e0ac2af129197ee1a6da2d10e2a95 Viasat Baltic 576x50

[EstWRC]

Lappi is the favourite for the power stage IMO

[Rallyper]

Ok. Now the final!! I´m looking at Swedish Broadcaster, SVT. See you after.

[EstWRC]

the road doesnt look that bad actually

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Awful rally again for Meeke... feel for the guy.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier not starting !?

[EstWRC]

Ogier taking penalty to start further bacl

[AL14]

Ogier checking in later to have more favourable position. Very clever move!

[jonkka]

Such antics were punishable earlier, have rules changed?

[itix]

Is ogier intentionally taking a penalty for late arrival to get a better chance at powerstage points?
No wonder he is the champion.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gamble 1 point to win 5...

[jonkka]

37.4 DELAYED START THROUGH FAULT OF CREW
37.4.2 Any crew refusing to start a special stage at the time allocated to it will be reported to the Stewards, whether the special stage is run or not.

[EstWRC]

lol at Tänak about Ogier: " i dont where he is hiding"

[stefanvv]

Gamble 1 point to win 5...

He can win more with taking away 1 from his rivals.

[RaunoK]

Impressive "sportsmanship" anyway. Though I like it, clever move. And I'd be not surprised if he didn't start at all and is sending message about the road cleaning that way.

[itix]

Tänak did not seem happy about Ogier's games...

[ESTR]

I will be laughing if he will start and then he will so slow that he will not get any point at all. Then we will see his crying face again.

[Rally Hokkaido]

37.4 DELAYED START THROUGH FAULT OF CREW
37.4.2 Any crew refusing to start a special stage at the time allocated to it will be reported to the Stewards, whether the special stage is run or not.

Surely, that rule applies after a crew has received their start time at the stage TC and moved to the Start Control.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Cheeky

[EstWRC]

horrible weekend for M-sport.

[jonkka]

Surely, that rule applies after a crew has received their start time at the stage TC and moved to the Start Control.

I was thinking the same but couldn't find other rule in the rush. Besides the unsportsmanlike behaviour.

[denkimi]

37.4 DELAYED START THROUGH FAULT OF CREW
37.4.2 Any crew refusing to start a special stage at the time allocated to it will be reported to the Stewards, whether the special stage is run or not.
Yes, and the stewards will give 10 seconds penalty for every minute he is late.

[Eli]

If I was the FIA I would have excluded Ogier for his games, be a man and finish the stage and rally like a proper sportsman.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

horrible weekend for M-sport.

Suninen has done well for just his 3rd WRC drive.

[ESTR]

on map it's shown that he is slowly moving towards start line.

[EstWRC]

Ogier moving to the start now

[ESTR]

where is antik and his reports to FIA. we have a thing to report...

[cali]

If I was the FIA I would have excluded Ogier for his games, be a man and finish the stage and rally like a proper sportsman.If he does not break any rules then on what basis would you ban him for?

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[EstWRC]

wow, what a speed by Lappi

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mads cant really have done much better for his first C3 drive. Hope he gets some more as he's always good to watch.

[Mintexmemory]

Everyone has been saying the rules are the rules so tough if you are first on the road ploughing snow. It is equally tough for opponents if the application of penalty you can afford to lose means you can pick the best spot on PS. As the man said ’where would we be if we didn’t have rules?’ (Answer - France!... or Slovenia it seems)

By the way - this is endorsement of Seb’s master stroke

[HaCo]

Lappi, fantastic!

[jonkka]

Paddon has already lost the 4th to Lappi on first split

[HaCo]

Ogier still not started.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great time Lappi !

[PLuto]

37.4 DELAYED START THROUGH FAULT OF CREW
37.4.2 Any crew refusing to start a special stage at the time allocated to it will be reported to the Stewards, whether the special stage is run or not.

This rule works only when you refuse to start and you are between time control and start line. He arrived later to TC before stage, so nothing to do with this rule.

[EstWRC]

that little corner is so tricky there!

[HaCo]

Paddon should be happy, he had a great weekend.