[WRC] WRC Rally Sweden 2018 - February 15-18:

[Rallyper]

Meekes pacenotes: "Latvala corner"

[Myrvold]

SS6 Evans Spin/Crash!

https://youtu.be/xTl97r5BbzI

[EstWRC]

oh man Neuville, again amazing time

[PLuto]

Evans beaten Ogier, so tomorrow will Ogier start before Evans.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

oh man Neuville, again amazing time

What beating Lappi by 0.7 ?

[dimviii]

so 1-2-3 Hyundai at 1st day

[EstWRC]

and its a Hyundai 1-2-3 in the end of the day, lol

championship order if the rally ends like day 1

Neuville 39
Ogier 26
Latvala 21
Mikkelsen 21
Tänak 20
Meeke 18
Paddon 15
Breen 14
Lappi 12
Ostberg 10
Evans 8
Suninen 8


withot power stage points of course

[TypeR]

ffs, whats the point of that championship order? it's friday..

[kamei]

Evans beaten Ogier, so tomorrow will Ogier start before Evans.

Big issue for MW

[KKS]

Yes, but that has already been apologized for and to be fair the organizers are at fault for not ploughing the last 6km of a stage making the 2 first WRC cars slower than JWRC cars. And still it has been apologized for.
just check results first
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/42875-rally-sweden-2018/?s=161821

[EstWRC]

ffs, whats the point of that championship order? it's friday..

just for fun?


damn you all are sto stressed here, take a cold drink please

[AL14]

and its a Hyundai 1-2-3 in the end of the day, lol

championship order if the rally ends like day 1

Neuville 39
Ogier 26
Latvala 21
Mikkelsen 21
Tänak 20
Meeke 18
Paddon 15
Breen 14
Lappi 12
Ostberg 10
Evans 8
Suninen 8


withot power stage points of course

Not that bad for Tanak, very good starting position for mexico.
I really hope Neuville will not win. I prefer Ogier winning next 6 years rather than him winning a single championship.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Big issue for MW

Couldnt blame him for Evans taking a penalty somewhere to give Ogier a chance.

2m48 down after the first day is a bit much even for him to fight back.

[AL14]

just for fun?


damn you all are sto stressed here, take a cold drink please

Lol that's definitely true.

[kamei]

No chance to fight back ... even for Ogier...it's disappointing weekend so far for him

[Tarmop]

just check results first
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/42875-rally-sweden-2018/?s=161821
Tänak vs JWRC SS4 Winner Torn: 10.37.1 for Tänak, 11.41.4 for Torn. Last split Tänak 8,59.2, Torn 10.08.6, which means that for those last unploughed kms it took Tänak 1.37.9 and 1.32.8 for Torn. That is FIVE seconds faster in a FWD R2T.

[krissucool]

just check results first
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/42875-rally-sweden-2018/?s=161821

Yes, you should check the results of the last split of unploughed snow from stage 4. But luckily for you Tarmop already made the calculations for you.

[spiderem]

shame for Lappi, otherwise we would have had 6 drivers in 15 seconds. Still top 5 within 13.2 seconds, look forward to tomorrow... A bit surpised by Latvala, despite road position still a bit out of pace in my opinion based on his skills and experience

[dimviii]

Not that bad for Tanak, very good starting position for mexico.
I really hope Neuville will not win. I prefer Ogier winning next 6 years rather than him winning a single championship.

i would like to see Neuville champion,just to see Ogier moving at next level the moaning.Priceless!

Nice rally so far!

[EightGear]

Hello new studio presenter. :D

[PLuto]

Couldnt blame him for Evans taking a penalty somewhere to give Ogier a chance.

No chance. Any penalty after last stage dont affect starting order.

[Tarmop]

i would like to see Neuville champion,just to see Ogier moving at next level the moaning.Priceless!

Nice rally so far!

Ah yes, then we could here the great words of wisdom from Neuville and his educating stories to others, who most definitely haven`t seen difficulties, just pure luck.

[dupanton]

Ogier his road order was bad, yes. And will be again. But he didn't complain when he opened the Friday stages in Monte Carlo pulling out all the mud for the drivers further back. You win some, you loose some. In Mexico he will not have to open.
Also, 2WD cars being faster then WRC cars because it wasn't ploughed. It happened on Monte Carlo on saturday morning too, with Nucita (or the other Abarth) taking a 5th time or something like that.

Awesome day for Neuville, hope he can keep it :)

[spiderem]

No chance. Any penalty after last stage dont affect starting order.

early check in tomorrow morning?

[Tarmop]

Ogier his road order was bad, yes. And will be again. But he didn't complain when he opened the Friday stages in Monte Carlo pulling out all the mud for the drivers further back. You win some, you loose some. In Mexico he will not have to open.
Also, 2WD cars being faster then WRC cars because it wasn't ploughed. It happened on Monte Carlo on saturday morning too, with Nucita (or the other Abarth) taking a 5th time or something like that.

Awesome day for Neuville, hope he can keep it :)

Different events and cars are different, expected in Monte.

[PLuto]

early check in tomorrow morning?

Yes, that is possible.

[KKS]

Tänak vs JWRC SS4 Winner Torn: 10.37.1 for Tänak, 11.41.4 for Torn. Last split Tänak 8,59.2, Torn 10.08.6, which means that for those last unploughed kms it took Tänak 1.37.9 and 1.32.8 for Torn. That is FIVE seconds faster in a FWD R2T.
W=Wrong
Tanak last split = 09:29,4 - 00:30,8 = 08:58,6
Tanak stage time: 10:37,1
Tanak last sector = 10:37,1 - 08:58,6 = 01:38,5

Torn last split = 09:29,4 + 00:30,3 = 09:59,7
Torn stage time: 11:41,4
Torn last sector = 11:41,4 - 09:59,7 = 01:41,7

[spiderem]

W=Wrong
Tanak last split = 09:29,4 - 00:30,8 = 08:58,6
Tanak stage time: 10:37,1
Tanak last sector = 10:37,1 - 08:58,6 = 01:38,5

Torn last split = 09:29,4 + 00:30,3 = 09:59,7
Torn stage time: 11:41,4
Torn last sector = 11:41,4 - 09:59,7 = 01:41,7

some doctorat in mathematics in this forum, people have way too much time on their hands...

[Sulland]

Hello new studio presenter. :D

Who?

[Tarmop]

W=Wrong
Tanak last split = 09:29,4 - 00:30,8 = 08:58,6
Tanak stage time: 10:37,1
Tanak last sector = 10:37,1 - 08:58,6 = 01:38,5

Torn last split = 09:29,4 + 00:30,3 = 09:59,7
Torn stage time: 11:41,4
Torn last sector = 11:41,4 - 09:59,7 = 01:41,7

Where did you get Torn`s last split? It was 1.03.1+9.05.1= 10.08.6 according to wrc.com
So unless you can`t present any factual times , it`s still 5 seconds in favour of FWD R2...

[AL14]

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_ogier-si-les-ouvreurs-etaient-des-suedois-ou-norvegiens-ils-deneigeraient-differemment?id=9841966

Ogier: "If there were norwegians or swedish people opening the road they could have made a different work with the snow"

French speaking guys can confirm if that is a right translation?

[dupanton]

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_ogier-si-les-ouvreurs-etaient-des-suedois-ou-norvegiens-ils-deneigeraient-differemment?id=9841966

Ogier: "If there were norwegians or swedish people opening the road they could have made a different work with the snow"

French speaking guys can confirm if that is a right translation?

Yes exactly

[mknight]

Day 1 impressions:

In general as expected, with so much snow on the road and overnight snowfall the first runners were bound to loose a lot.

Positive:
- Paddon finaly back to some speed
- Breen

Negative:
- Meeke (sure road position wasn't best but still he was 2nd slowest after Ogier and Evans with puncture))
- Evans (again the words of Colin Clark about Evans fighting for title this year in any car come to mind)

[Mintexmemory]

If the cheating nordics had one of their guys first on the road you can bet your ass they’dve ploughed the damn snow

Translation of what Ogier was saying (without the diplomacy filter!)

[mknight]

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_ogier-si-les-ouvreurs-etaient-des-suedois-ou-norvegiens-ils-deneigeraient-differemment?id=9841966

Ogier: "If there were norwegians or swedish people opening the road they could have made a different work with the snow"

French speaking guys can confirm if that is a right translation?

My reply:

If there were French people opening the road on Friday on Monte surely they could have made a different work with the snow.

[Tarmop]

Well, he is and was...

[er88]

As I said before, don't get your hopes up for a fight for the win. Breen and Ostberg will drop back without road advantage to Neuville, and considering Neuville finished day 1 ahead of both of his team mates who had better road position, this is his rally if he keeps it on the road. Would love to be proven wrong though

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[EstWRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLVyRAt2cxbxuiluNGz4xAViyqsnqc8-pG&v=iCfFHsTP1HA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjAfq59Jdzk

[KKS]

Where did you get Torn`s last split? It was 1.03.1+9.05.1= 10.08.6 according to wrc.com
So unless you can`t present any factual times , it`s still 5 seconds in favour of FWD R2...
from wrc.com

http://i.piccy.info/i9/7e0c1ac83bd0e57786354625b8ebae82/1518802706/42376/1149228/Torn_SS4_Sweden_2018.jpg

[Tarmop]

from wrc.com

http://i.piccy.info/i9/7e0c1ac83bd0e57786354625b8ebae82/1518802706/42376/1149228/Torn_SS4_Sweden_2018.jpg

We are talking about SS4, you are looking at its re-run, SS7.

[René]

Sportsmanship imposes to remain cool? What are you a girl? If the situation is shitty the sportsman has every right to be frustrated. That is what he works his butt of every day. Emotions are a part of the sports, just like being unlucky with the road position.

Frustration is not an emotion but an attitude. An inability to accept things as they are and to hold others accountable for their own satisfaction. And for your simple satisfaction you do not have to ruin the existence of all those around you. When you enter the World Rally Championship you know the rules and accept them. Otherwise you do something else. There's only one who makes a mess.

[Tarmop]

FFS, that attitude is rallying on paper! Rules would mean a slight disadvantage, not 3 drivers, all capable of winning the event, were on the podium last year, two of whom have won it several times and one even started it with two stage wins and then BAM, they are 8,9 and 11, loose to a FWD car driven by a person first time in this event, because some part was left unploughed and with small chances of even getting into the top 5. And the biggest issue is...they dare to say, it sucks, they can`t be humans with emotions, they have to lie it`s dandy, just to keep some happy ( and others thinking wth has happened to fast drivers).

[Myrvold]

If the cheating nordics had one of their guys first on the road you can bet your ass they’dve ploughed the damn snow

Translation of what Ogier was saying (without the diplomacy filter!)

What him, and others here fail with that reasoning is that it happened on the Swedish side, not the Norwegian. And it is the Norwegians that would gain from it.

Also, none of us knows the rules and laws regarding the snowplough in Norway v Sweden. In no other situation you'll see the same person on both sides of the border.

From a spectator PoV this have been one amazing day with proper snow conditions. Ogier complained the last years as well (even though he had advantage then). He'll never be happy here.

Does anyone have pics of the latter part of SS4? From the sounds of it, the amount of snow is much more than what came down during the night!

Sidenote: We met the plough on SS Svullrya around 0430 local time today :-)

[er88]

FFS, that attitude is rallying on paper! Rules would mean a slight disadvantage, not 3 drivers, all capable of winning the event, were on the podium last year, two of whom have won it several times and one even started it with two stage wins and then BAM, they are 8,9 and 11, with small chances of even getting into the top 5. And the biggest issue is...they dare to say, it sucks, they can`t be humans with emotions, they have to lie, just to keep some happy.Biggest time losses were this afternoon regardless. That's rallying.

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[Tarmop]

Biggest time losses where this afternoon regardless. That's rallying.

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Umm, well, yes, i was not talking about that specifically but the frustration started before like i mentioned. Probably quite hard to mentally adjust to pushing hard and chasing hundreths. Although those second runs have also been more friedlier, last year podium for example, with small changes, identical to RMC.

[Allez Andruet]

So happy for Breen and Paddon - if anyone, it's those guys who deserve some success for once. And yes, WRC+ All Live has been wonderful today.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So a horrendous day for M-Sport's top two...

But a pretty decent job by Suninen on just his 3rd WRC1 drive.

And good to see a Fiesta R5 leading WRC2.

There's always positives if you look hard enough ! ;)

[svstock]

had to be done
http://i67.tinypic.com/24deftk.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier: "It's been a difficult day, I couldn’t do anything. I tried but I can't be faster. When you lose more than 1.5s/km in the 2nd loop, there must be something wrong somewhere because I don’t think that's my normal rhythm. I'm far, far away, there's no real target."

[T16]

FFS, that attitude is rallying on paper! Rules would mean a slight disadvantage, not 3 drivers, all capable of winning the event, were on the podium last year, two of whom have won it several times and one even started it with two stage wins and then BAM, they are 8,9 and 11, loose to a FWD car driven by a person first time in this event, because some part was left unploughed and with small chances of even getting into the top 5. And the biggest issue is...they dare to say, it sucks, they can`t be humans with emotions, they have to lie it`s dandy, just to keep some happy ( and others thinking wth has happened to fast drivers).

Nailed it.

[danon]

The snowplough case must be reported to AnttiK7.

[Myrvold]

Though. Ogier complains about everything.
First on the road
People ahead of him driving wrong lines

I am sure if Ogier hadn't been first on the road the last 4 years he'd complain of that as well as it was an actual advantage to be first on the last 4 years here in Sweden.

[cali]

C'mon guys (specially estonians) this situation was basically well known few days already. Take it easy now and enjoy rallying, nothing you can do about the road conditions. Childish conspiracy theories will make you look silly as it is already. That's rallying and we have a interesting season ahead of us, maybe the most intrigueing for many decades. Enjoy while you can!

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[T16]

Well, my splits have gone out the window!
Who's gonna win it then?
Wouldn't mind seeing Breen or Paddon take it. Good shot in the arm for either of them if they could manage it.

[PLuto]

Starting order to Saturday - https://rally-base.com/2018/rally-sweden-2018/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=864

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWLebxwWAAIcmLr.jpg

[BleAivano]

Though. Ogier complains about everything.
First on the road
People ahead of him driving wrong lines

I am sure if Ogier hadn't been first on the road the last 4 years he'd complain of that as well as it was an actual advantage to be first on the last 4 years here in Sweden.

Yeah I think he should shut up now that we finally have some really nice winter conditions.

[EstWRC]

had to be done
http://i67.tinypic.com/24deftk.jpg

Ogier tweeted it :D

https://twitter.com/sebogier/status/964580651864346624

[stefanvv]

had to be done
http://i67.tinypic.com/24deftk.jpg

They did good job especially with the new wrcar front aero elements' help.

[Zeakiwi]

Canadian snow plough - steerable axle on rear trailer - do not pass if ever driving in Canada. Had motorists crashing into them.
https://youtu.be/vh6vhzVT3Zc

[Bartek]

Starting order to Saturday - https://rally-base.com/2018/rally-sweden-2018/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=864

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWLebxwWAAIcmLr.jpg

To be honest Malcom should tell Elfyn to drive in front of Ogier...

[Japé]

Yellow and orange glasses seems to become more popular year after year. Is there any proven advantage from those? Besides those, EP seems to have orange helmet visor (attached but not using). What next - yellow contact lenses or orange windshields?

[KKS]

We are talking about SS4, you are looking at its re-run, SS7.
It's some timing glitch here O_o

http://i.piccy.info/i9/d917849a17565e31164ea3905e21bdfb/1518813319/389451/1149228/SS4_Sweden_2018_splits.jpg

with new times - you are right, 5 sec faster from Tanak
And even if my first calculation was based on SS7 times - 3sec slower is nothing for that narrow and technical section

[Myrvold]

Yellow and orange glasses seems to become more popular year after year. Is there any proven advantage from those? Besides those, EP seems to have orange helmet visor (attached but not using). What next - yellow contact lenses or orange windshields?

There is a slight enhancement yes.

[jparker]

Ogier and his fans seam so alike, bunch of sad sad loosers.
It's more enjoyable than Neuville wining the rally :wave:
Guys, do I have to remind you what Mikkelsen did after his retirement in Spain and Monte Carlo?
Smile, that's all you need.

[olemann]

It appears that if the results from today can last for Sunday, the results after two rounds can give one more accurate result in wrc.

[spiderem]

Dani Sordo looks like he is freezing on red bull tv, and matt wislon has been too close to the sun!

[Gregor-y]

Yellow and orange glasses seems to become more popular year after year. Is there any proven advantage from those? Besides those, EP seems to have orange helmet visor (attached but not using). What next - yellow contact lenses or orange windshields?

Maybe yellow headlights come back.

[Ucci]

To be honest Malcom should tell Elfyn to drive in front of Ogier...
This is going to be another dissapointing day for Ogier....rally to forget for him....thx god I'll be four hours in the plane, without connection....
Hyundai boys-enjoy the victory champiagn.

[olemann]

I realize what problem Ogier is struggling with. It's not the same as starting as No. 1 in Germany!

[Sulland]

Hennings "testday" ended with that he closed in on the stage winners.
If the overnight adjustments goes in the right direction he could habe gotten even closer.

But since he now is opening the road tomorrow, the target has to be to loose less tha Ogier did today.

[AnttiL]

Meekes pacenotes: "Latvala corner"

Suninen had also "Juho corner" in Päijälä in Rally Finland

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier stage performances:

SS1: 9th (+2.5)
SS2: 10th (+12.5)
SS3: 12th (+18.2)
SS4: 11th (+22.0)
SS5: 12th (+28.0)
SS6: 11th (+35.5)
SS7: 22nd (+50.9)
SS8: 20th (+23.4)

And people wonder he complains ...

[mknight]

I don't wonder why he complains. I do wonder why he blames "Scandinavian conspiracy" for snow on roads...

Neuville lost 1:53 (4 secs/km) while running second on the road on SS9 in Monte due to fresh overnight snow on the road, which wasn't plowed.

Note that Neuville was 10s behind Meeke in the end. Does that make it French Ogier + Citroen conspiracy?

[danon]

https://media.giphy.com/media/wKmRINuXc99RBbc5HC/giphy.gif

[KKS]

I don't wonder why he complains. I do wonder why he blames "Scandinavian conspiracy" for snow on roads...

Yep, it's quite unusual expect snow in Sweden, especially on snow winter rally.

But why we wounder? It's typical Ogier.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Just watched the 'official' highlights on BT and no stage end interviews shown with Ogier or Tanak Seems all about the great battle between the Hyundais.

At least Motorsport TV showed Tanak's honest 'screw themselves' outburst.

[KKS]

And they show "Nothing, all good" situation (this was an answer for a Colin stage-end "More troubles here in a final stage, tell us what happen?" quation) for Ogier, when he nearly hit a pole when went off into snowbank.
So it become a normal situation for that slow and old guy :)

PS Nice new soundtrack at the end: Awolnation - Passion

[dimviii]

ziggysony video
https://youtu.be/Evdim7-uiuA

[KKS]

with Evans puncture at 2:22.
Most of cars through safely here

[KKS]

Kristoffersson was out of sight but he win SS7 and only 0.7sec of stage win at SS8 in WRC 2. Not bad as for rally newbie

[René]

Yellow and orange glasses seems to become more popular year after year. Is there any proven advantage from those? Besides those, EP seems to have orange helmet visor (attached but not using). What next - yellow contact lenses or orange windshields?

The wavelength of the yellow color helps the vision by correcting the myopia caused on the human vision by the decrease of luminosity and increases the perception of the reliefs on the snow or when the weather is foggy.

[Duvel]

The wavelength of the yellow color helps the vision by correcting the myopia caused on the human vision by the decrease of luminosity and increases the perception of the reliefs on the snow or when the weather is foggy.


Thierry just repaired his yellow glasses.

[cosmin_sb]

ready for action...let's see what will happen today

[kamei]

Ogier stage performances:

SS1: 9th (+2.5)
SS2: 10th (+12.5)
SS3: 12th (+18.2)
SS4: 11th (+22.0)
SS5: 12th (+28.0)
SS6: 11th (+35.5)
SS7: 22nd (+50.9)
SS8: 20th (+23.4)

And people wonder he complains ...I was wondering if someone else would perform better opening the roads. Ogier kept his nerves. There is something wrong with the regulations. If the first car on Friday is losing so much time then his rally is ruined because his starting position on Saturday is also terrible.

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[mknight]

Henning on live tv after flying finish:
(free translation)

"That's all I can do. The car(s) are too difficult to drive with the stupid centre difs."

[KKS]

ouuu Henning was driving with engine problem yesterday!

[KKS]

Latvala a minute down on 1st split!!!!! DAMN!

[cosmin_sb]

problem for Ogier? No finish time

[sonnybobiche]

Latvala split corrected, thank the lord.

[KKS]

no , he finished
10:20.6

[KKS]

Latvala split corrected, thank the lord.
first 3 now..... fingers crossed for 4th and finish time

[Augury]

Tanak on a charge this morning.

[KKS]

Suninen +21sec ... You have problems? - Maybe the driver problems :D

[mknight]

LOL Østberg and co-driver in-car conversation:

"It's difficult to push hard now"
"Why?"
"Cause I can't drive a car" :D

[kamei]

Suninen's end of the stage comments are hilarious :)

[kamei]

Poor Ostberg can't beat Breen!
Really good performance by Breen so far...

[KKS]

Great time form Breen!!! And looking down to splits nobody can improve so far!
Go Breen!!!

[jonkka]

Mikkelsen poised to take the lead...

[kamei]

I think that Tanak will be the fastest man today

[EstWRC]

Tänak is a morning person it seems

[KKS]

And Breen was closer to frontrunners!
GOOOO BREEEEENNN! :)

[dimviii]

did they mentioned paddle shift problem for Neuville?

[mknight]

did they mentioned paddle shift problem for Neuville?

Yes you could see it on the onboard.

[HaCo]

did they mentioned paddle shift problem for Neuville?

Crap, crap, crap, hope he keeps his head together.

[KKS]

Tänak is a morning person it seems
Or just pure speed, respectively to more equal road conditions

[HaCo]

Great time by Breen, nice to see!

[KKS]

Katsuta have some troubles at 1st split and drop 2 places overall at the end of stage. Tidemand now rally leader!

[cali]

Breen a very positive surprise so far. Who said that the C3 is slow: :p

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[JJFrentzen]

did they mentioned paddle shift problem for Neuville?

Yes and still he was fastest then his teammates

[ESTR]

Breen a very positive surprise so far. Who said that the C3 is slow: :p

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It's quick but look at car dancing all around place. After all, it's been Breen who can only drive that car obviously.

[EstWRC]

Østberg is doing also great with it. Don’t forget that it’s his first time with the machine

[GravelBen]

There is something wrong with the regulations. If the first car on Friday is losing so much time then his rally is ruined because his starting position on Saturday is also terrible.


Sometimes the road position is an advantage not a disadvantage though - was Ogier complaining about unfair road order at Monte when he was gaining advantage with good road position for the conditions each day and others like Breen were losing so much time? Was he complaining previous years when Sweden didn't have much snow and cars down the order were losing their studs in the gravel? Sometimes the advantage/disadvantage is predictable, sometimes not. Rallying is affected by nature and weather, its just the way it is.

[HaCo]

Rallying is affected by nature and weather, its just the way it is.

It's also what makes it great!

[AnttiL]

Apart from Breen, the results on Torntorp were Toyotas, Hyundais, Citroens, Fords.

[er88]

Breen a very positive surprise so far. Who said that the C3 is slow: :p

Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using TapatalkIt's not a slow car. It's just got a narrow operating window and can take a lot of risk and aggressive driving to get the best out of it. A slow car doesn't win rallies, and Meeke has already won rallies in it don't forget...

Great to see Breen on it this morning. I'd expect a Hyundai fight back on the next few stages judging by Mikkelsen's and Paddon's comments, and if Neuville can maybe fix his hydraulic issue

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[KKS]

Looks like Torn blocked road and all other cars forced to stop

[Mintexmemory]

Go Craig - what a year this could be for the Championship

[T16]

Apart from Breen, the results on Torntorp were Toyotas, Hyundais, Citroens, Fords.

They just mentioned this / you on WRC Live... good work that man!

[er88]

Apart from Breen, the results on Torntorp were Toyotas, Hyundais, Citroens, Fords.Just got read out by Alex on AllLive :)

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[AnttiL]

Just got read out by Alex on AllLive :)

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Yeah, and then Julian said that it was Gary Boyd who came up with that (he just retweeted me) :D

[KKS]

I'm always a bit confused what to listen: rally radio with useful info or sound from livestream with rallycar sound and less useful info... and we have Jon here so my choice is clear - RallyRadio!

[KKS]

Yeah, and then the other guy said that it was Gary Boyd who came up with that (he just retweeted me) :D
Make WRCLive great again :D

[dimviii]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/24907-rally-sweden-2018-friday/

[AnttiL]

Sorry EstWRC and other Estonians:


Ken Torn stopped at SS9 Torntorp after rolling FiestaR2. Crew OK

[KKS]

Looks another starting time adjust and now for Lappi. And he "down" 1min on splits

[dimviii]

Lappi on problems,or time glitch? +48 at 1st split

[KKS]

Lappi no, but Sunninen - yes

[mknight]

Something happened to both Hyundais, Breen will lead the rally.

[JJFrentzen]

I think Breen got a lead after this one :D

[jonkka]

If splits are anything to go by, then yes. But they've been very unreliable of late...

[EstWRC]

Sorry EstWRC and other Estonians:

yeah, shame, he was doing really great.


what a difference a day makes as we see ;)

[KKS]

Breen into P2 now :)

[HaCo]

What's wrong with the Hyundai's?

[cali]

Breen for the win!

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[HaCo]

Neuville had a spin... Mikk also?

[jonkka]

What's wrong with the Hyundai's?

Mikkelsen spun.

[er88]

Neuville decent time with a spin. This is great from Breen.

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[HaCo]

Come on Tom and Jerry, keep it together! :D

[EstWRC]

What's wrong with the Hyundai's?

a spin for Neuville...after that he came with the same speed as Tänak as you can see on the splits.

[JJFrentzen]

What's wrong with the Hyundai's?

both had a spin

[EstWRC]

Cmooonnnn Breen take that win! Then we have all drivers with a win :)

[KKS]

Katsuta now back into a lead and Pontus drop down to P3... ding-dong battle at WRC2 now

[Eli]

I see what you mean guys, Alex does look a bit bored.

[er88]

Mikkelsen blown another chance to get his first win for Hyundai there it seems. Shame for him, although I don't think he had the pace all weekend to overhaul Neuville on speed alone anyway

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[jonkka]

Cmooonnnn Breen take that win! Then we have all drivers with a win :)

Except Suninen - though he's not full-timer...

[Franky]

I see what you mean guys, Alex does look a bit bored.

And lost

[EstWRC]

Agreed, Kiri was much much better

[Rally Hokkaido]

Arai is really flying on this stage!

[tomhlord]

Now we see the true pace of the Toyota's.

I expect Neuville to gain a bit of a lead now, without the spin he was on the pace of Tanak.

Would be nice for some relays of moments during the live coverage, but can't complain too much as this is better than nothing!

[KKS]

Arai and Katsuta now fastest on stage at WRC2 :) Japanese attack on Sweden ice

[Mintexmemory]

Now we see the true pace of the Toyota's.

I expect Neuville to gain a bit of a lead now, without the spin he was on the pace of Tanak.


I don’t - both TN and Andreas are great when they are unsure of the rally order but both have form for not handling the pressure of fighting for first. Also there can be no team orders with Breen in the mix

[KKS]

Some poor rally from Ahlin now, he swed and I expect a bit more from him at homesoil. He do great last year at BRC and now +2.30 min away from lead

[mknight]

Now we see the true pace of the Toyota's.



Yes.
Forgive me if I am not cheering but I am not all that impressed with this whole "unlimited testing" (for Sweden and Finland in case of Toyota). Pretty sure this wasn't what the rulemakers had in mind with that exception. Whole point of limited testing is that you shouldn't win by just outspending others on testing and the exception was that teams can check simple functional things just outside the team base.

Unsurprisingly (all) teams will use any loophole available. So M-Sport has own gravel and tarmac testtracks, Toyota uses parts of actual stages and I have no doubts Citroen and Hyundais do similar stuff.

[Eli]

Arai is really flying on this stage!

His Co-driver, Glenn McMacneall, was Chris Atkinson's long time ago right?

[EstWRC]

hard life for you then...

[jonkka]

His Co-driver, Glenn McMacneall, was Chris Atkinson's long time ago right?

Yes - but also co-drove a lot with Toshi Arai, his father.

[Rally Hokkaido]

His Co-driver, Glenn McMacneall, was Chris Atkinson's long time ago right?

Yes, and before that was co-driver for Arai's father in SWRT.

Another trivia point, tonight in Australia Glenn's father just received highest honour from the ASN for his services to rallying. Senior forum members might remember him when WRC Australia was in Perth.

[dimviii]

not a happy birthday for Malcolm(62) today,Fiestas current at 8,11,12th position

[EstWRC]

Good first split from Ogier


E: the whole stage is very good from him!

[dimviii]

Tanak now 8 sec from Latvala.

[KKS]

Jari, hotlapping can hurt you :)

[jonkka]

Final stage time on splits is some garbage, wonder where they pull that from...

[KKS]

Sunninen - crazy jump

[stefanvv]

Suninen doesn't like those jump marks.

[EstWRC]

lol what a jump from Suninen

[KKS]

Final stage time on splits is some garbage, wonder where they pull that from...
ctrl+f5 I have some glitches yesterday aswell, but now final time OK

[KKS]

Good jump and good splits from Mads!!! C'moon

[jonkka]

ctrl+f5 I have some glitches yesterday aswell, but now final time OK

Won't help - splits themselves seem to be OK but the total for example for Ogier is 17:12.4 though his total in stage times is 8:37.1. Strange.

[stefanvv]

All C3 seem to had good jump distance. Now I understand why Ostberg went there.

[dimviii]

Neuville with fastest 1st split

[mknight]

Would be epic if Breen stays 2 or gets first! He needs it even more than the team.

[Integrale]

Very interesting battles everywhere, loving this. Impressed by Breen and Lappi!

[KKS]

Won't help - splits themselves seem to be OK but the total for example for Ogier is 17:12.4 though his total in stage times is 8:37.1. Strange.
Looks it depends on some randomness
http://i.piccy.info/i9/f7a6d35e28a172ccaae5b0cc98b066de/1518860750/148032/1149228/ss11_sweden_2018.jpg

[jonkka]

Looks it depends on some randomness

Indeed! I have completely different times on Stage Time column.

[Eli]

So guys what do you think did they improve the C3 or is it just down to the confidence of the drivers or both?

[er88]

All C3 seem to had good jump distance. Now I understand why Ostberg went there.Probably because their aero isn't as good as the other teams ;)

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[KKS]

Suninen need some extra feature for his Fiesta for Vargasen re-run

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Rudder.kc135.arp.750pix.jpg[

[Ounin]

can anybody explain to me why the two Jap’s Arai and Katsura are so fast???? They are quicker than many specialists ...
unbelievable

[Sulland]

LOL Østberg and co-driver in-car conversation:

"It's difficult to push hard now"
"Why?"
"Cause I can't drive a car" :D

Looks like overnight adjustment did not do Østberg any good.

[Sulland]

can anybody explain to me why the two Jap’s Arai and Katsura are so fast???? They are quicker than many specialists ...
unbelievable

Pirelli !!

[er88]

Neuville 'I feel like I can control'. Very confident

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[irish_tiger]

Some poor rally from Ahlin now, he swed and I expect a bit more from him at homesoil. He do great last year at BRC and now +2.30 min away from lead

what tyres is he on ??

[AL14]

Latvala is at it again. Can't give some peace to himself if a teammate is faster and driving at the edge.... Just let it go e take a bunch of points...

[AL14]

Neuville 'I feel like I can control'. Very confident

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Yes, he was sure to be wdc last year as well. Although I think he will bring this one home

[Integrale]

Neuville 'I feel like I can control'. Very confident

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I bet he felt the same way last year.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Great job by Breen and even Ostberg in the C3. Will be great for me if they can keep the challenge going and take some points off the Hyundai's.

Looks like the Toyota's are too far back now to do anything.

[steve.mandzij]

Yes.
Forgive me if I am not cheering but I am not all that impressed with this whole "unlimited testing" (for Sweden and Finland in case of Toyota). Pretty sure this wasn't what the rulemakers had in mind with that exception. Whole point of limited testing is that you shouldn't win by just outspending others on testing and the exception was that teams can check simple functional things just outside the team base.

Unsurprisingly (all) teams will use any loophole available. So M-Sport has own gravel and tarmac testtracks, Toyota uses parts of actual stages and I have no doubts Citroen and Hyundais do similar stuff.Don't be so sad over nothing.

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[steve.mandzij]

Latvala is at it again. Can't give some peace to himself if a teammate is faster and driving at the edge.... Just let it go e take a bunch of points...My biggest fear becoming true! He hasn't cracked yet but the strees marks of struggle are beginning to show. God forbid he loses his momentum because of Tanak (even if it's by no fault of Tanak himself).

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[KKS]

what tyres is he on ??
DMack's... You think all that time difference comes from tyres?

[Zeakiwi]

Yes, and before that was co-driver for Arai's father in SWRT.

Another trivia point, tonight in Australia Glenn's father just received highest honour from the ASN for his services to rallying. Senior forum members might remember him when WRC Australia was in Perth.

Chandler got a life time achievement Sports award in the 2018 NZ main (Halberg) sports awards. https://nzmotorracing.co.nz/2018/02/09/chandlers-contribution-nz-motorsport-recognised-halberg-awards/

[cali]

can anybody explain to me why the two Jap’s Arai and Katsura are so fast???? They are quicker than many specialists ...
unbelievableI have MM Motorsport on my Instagram feed. Looks like these boys have had a lot of practice as well. Lots Of people working to get them on pace... Lehtinen just said that Katsuta is a big talent but coming from circuit racing he is a bit speedblind and is not yet very good at speed notes

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[KKS]

Interesting how historics will affect on road today afternoon, no much fresh snow today on stages.

[Sulland]

what tyres is he on ??

Is it possible to swap tyrebrand during a rally?
Sometimes tyrebrand could win or loose you a rally.

[focus206]

Really impressed by Breen so far, great rally. If Neuville falls behind and is smart, he won't overpush - better get a 2nd place than repeat what happened in Sweden last year.

[dodge33cymru]

Is it possible to swap tyrebrand during a rally?
Sometimes tyrebrand could win or loose you a rally.I think it is, I have a vague recollection of someone (a privateer) doing it a few years ago. Not 100% sure it was WRC and, even if it was, rules might have changed since.

Or I might be getting completely mixed up with the Nurburgring 24 Hours, who knows?!

[KKS]

Huttunen lost near 5min on SS11 and out of rally win contention.
And again little bit shine rally for him, but always he find something to ruin that :/

[kamei]

Sometimes the road position is an advantage not a disadvantage though - was Ogier complaining about unfair road order at Monte when he was gaining advantage with good road position for the conditions each day and others like Breen were losing so much time? Was he complaining previous years when Sweden didn't have much snow and cars down the order were losing their studs in the gravel? Sometimes the advantage/disadvantage is predictable, sometimes not. Rallying is affected by nature and weather, its just the way it is.

I only thought theoretically how the system is working. I never saw a champion so desperate of the lack of chance to fight for something. Of course starting first on the road is not always a bad thing, sure it can also give an advantage. Ogier did pretty good last year. I don't like him as a person but I can't doubt his driving abilities. I am happy to see such great battles of the other guys as it is now.

[HaCo]

It's a go for the second loop...

[EstWRC]

Evans faster than Ogier in the split, you dont see that often

[KKS]

Evans faster than Ogier in the split, you dont see that often
still some road cleaning from historics

[HaCo]

Evans faster than Ogier in the split, you dont see that often

Do your splits work, or following live stream?

[EstWRC]

still some road cleaning from historics

yep, same case as yesterday, i expect the frontrunners to be much faster this time

[HaCo]

Do your splits work, or following live stream?

Now they work on the site :-)

[steve.mandzij]

Jari Matti just isn't finding speed! Lappi and Tanak flying!

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[mknight]

Not a single retirement or big time loss by anyone yet (only Evans puncture).

Just saying...

[HaCo]

Not a single retirement or big time loss by anyone yet (only Evans puncture).

Just saying...

Please don't... :-)

[EstWRC]

Lappi coming great!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gary Boyd
@KiwiWRCfan

Colins Crest jumps:

@JariMattiWRC 22.0m
@thierryneuville 28.0m
@HaydenPaddon 29.0m
@ElfynEvans 30.0m
@EsapekkaLappi 31.0m
@TeemuSuninenRac 31.0m
@AMikkelsenRally 31.0m
@HenningSolberg 31.5m
@SebOgier 32.0m
@OttTanak 32.5m
@Craig_Breen 38.0m
@krismeeke 40.0m
@MadsOstberg 42.0m

[KKS]

Latvala have big surprise by Tanak time!

[EstWRC]

i like Jari-Matti a lot but that face was priceless

[jonkka]

Not a single retirement or big time loss by anyone yet (only Evans puncture).

Swedish Rally is like that, it's not unheard of that no works cars retire there.

[HaCo]

Lappi faster then Ott and Latvala... Latvala not good at all.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala looking like a loser again... :(

[KKS]

Mads going very wide and wild. Love it!

[AL14]

Latvala looking like a loser again... :(

Not the best move to show weakness to the enemy, isn't it? 10 years in the WRC and didn't learn to handle these situations...

[dimviii]

Βreen on it

[HaCo]

Breen :D :D :D

[EstWRC]

what a time by Breen!

[HaCo]

Great to see him happy with the car!

[steve.mandzij]

i like Jari-Matti a lot but that face was pricelessWas it his red, sweaty, wide eyed worry face?

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[EstWRC]

damn why that Citroen doesnt work like this every rally!

[HaCo]

Paddon faster then Mik!

[er88]

Andreas hasn't been able to 'turn it up a notch' today it seems. Paddon now having a go at him.

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[KKS]

Neuville make 10sec!!!!! only at 3split to Breen! WOW!

[HaCo]

Breen sooo impressive!!!

[HaCo]

Neuville confident :D Great!

[doubled1978]

Have to say Breen has been very impressive so far....Citroen find another car for Mexico and Corsica?

[mknight]

Well it's nice seeing Breen and Paddon do well, out of all works drivers those two need a good result the most.

[KKS]

Neuville make 10sec!!!!! only at 3split to Breen! WOW!
oh no, again splits mess me up difference from 4th splits popup at 3rd split column

[er88]

Have to say Breen has been very impressive so far....Citroen find another car for Mexico and Corsica?They should get him in the PH sport car at least. Bunch of jokers if not

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[stefanvv]

Neuville make 10sec!!!!! only at 3split to Breen! WOW!

What?

[KKS]

Abbring?

[EightGear]

Imagine Paddon and Breen taking a podium, and then both not competing in Mexico.

[dimviii]

Meeke at his mentor jump
https://twitter.com/F_Gustavsson/status/964805598851280896

Breen
https://twitter.com/F_Gustavsson/status/964813000862588928

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Outstanding by Breen.

Supported him since 2009... is he going to reach a WRC win ?!

[KKS]

Abbring?
Snowbank excursion

[Rally Hokkaido]

Abbring has damaged front of car

[René]

Citroen C3 really seems to perform better than in 2017 on the same rally. Even if there's still work to be done

[Sulland]

Do we know how much stud overhang they are using today?
do all now use ice tyres with 6mm overhang, or are some on snow with 8mm?

[Eli]

Outstanding by Breen.

Supported him since 2009... is he going to reach a WRC win ?!


Really really hope so!!

[krzaki]

Hi
May be I loose something....but I don't
know why not reverse starting order for saturday stages....thx for answer☺

[KKS]

Hi
May be I loose something....but I don't
know why not reverse starting order for saturday stages....thx for answer☺
It's reverse actually

[KKS]

First stage win for https://www.ewrc-results.com/flags2/ukraine.png Protasov Yuriy at WRC3 after 2 years of rallying brake
:bounce::wave:

[tomhlord]

This guy, I admire your passion for TN, but you vacated the spectator zone and then a marshall had to come and get you. Come on now, use your head.

http://i.cubeupload.com/U3x1Bf.jpg

[kamei]

Not the best move to show weakness to the enemy, isn't it? 10 years in the WRC and didn't learn to handle these situations...Unfortunately I don't see Latvala winning the championship ever.

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[jonkka]

Unfortunately I don't see Latvala winning the championship ever.

It's a long shot, I agree, but should he manage he'd be the most experienced one to do it (in terms of WRC starts).

[er88]

Citroen C3 really seems to perform better than in 2017 on the same rally. Even if there's still work to be doneYep, no Performnace improvements in Monte compared to last year, but there has been in Sweden. Let's hope they can continue to work on the car, and the main changes for 2018 come in Mexico on the C3

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[Sulland]

Big ruts on Hagfors 2! Henning will dance in his brothers narrow tracks!

[stefanvv]

It's a long shot, I agree, but should he manage he'd be the most experienced one to do it (in terms of WRC starts).

Any other driver in the current field with such possibility?

[EstWRC]

Meeke?