[WRC] WRC Rally Sweden 2018 - February 15-18: [Archive] - Page 4

EstWRC

16th February 2018, 16:07

TypeR

16th February 2018, 16:08

ffs, whats the point of that championship order? it's friday..

kamei

16th February 2018, 16:09

Evans beaten Ogier, so tomorrow will Ogier start before Evans.

Big issue for MW

KKS

16th February 2018, 16:11

Yes, but that has already been apologized for and to be fair the organizers are at fault for not ploughing the last 6km of a stage making the 2 first WRC cars slower than JWRC cars. And still it has been apologized for.
just check results first
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/42875-rally-sweden-2018/?s=161821

EstWRC

16th February 2018, 16:11

ffs, whats the point of that championship order? it's friday..

just for fun?

damn you all are sto stressed here, take a cold drink please

AL14

16th February 2018, 16:12

and its a Hyundai 1-2-3 in the end of the day, lol

championship order if the rally ends like day 1

Neuville 39
Ogier 26
Latvala 21
Mikkelsen 21
Tänak 20
Meeke 18
Paddon 15
Breen 14
Lappi 12
Ostberg 10
Evans 8
Suninen 8

withot power stage points of course

Not that bad for Tanak, very good starting position for mexico.
I really hope Neuville will not win. I prefer Ogier winning next 6 years rather than him winning a single championship.

Fast Eddie WRC

16th February 2018, 16:12

Big issue for MW

Couldnt blame him for Evans taking a penalty somewhere to give Ogier a chance.

2m48 down after the first day is a bit much even for him to fight back.

AL14

16th February 2018, 16:13

just for fun?

damn you all are sto stressed here, take a cold drink please

Lol that's definitely true.

kamei

16th February 2018, 16:15

No chance to fight back ... even for Ogier...it's disappointing weekend so far for him

Tarmop

16th February 2018, 16:15

just check results first
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/42875-rally-sweden-2018/?s=161821
Tänak vs JWRC SS4 Winner Torn: 10.37.1 for Tänak, 11.41.4 for Torn. Last split Tänak 8,59.2, Torn 10.08.6, which means that for those last unploughed kms it took Tänak 1.37.9 and 1.32.8 for Torn. That is FIVE seconds faster in a FWD R2T.

krissucool

16th February 2018, 16:20

just check results first
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/42875-rally-sweden-2018/?s=161821

Yes, you should check the results of the last split of unploughed snow from stage 4. But luckily for you Tarmop already made the calculations for you.

spiderem

16th February 2018, 16:21

shame for Lappi, otherwise we would have had 6 drivers in 15 seconds. Still top 5 within 13.2 seconds, look forward to tomorrow... A bit surpised by Latvala, despite road position still a bit out of pace in my opinion based on his skills and experience

dimviii

16th February 2018, 16:23

Not that bad for Tanak, very good starting position for mexico.
I really hope Neuville will not win. I prefer Ogier winning next 6 years rather than him winning a single championship.

i would like to see Neuville champion,just to see Ogier moving at next level the moaning.Priceless!

Nice rally so far!

EightGear

16th February 2018, 16:24

Hello new studio presenter. :D

PLuto

16th February 2018, 16:24

Couldnt blame him for Evans taking a penalty somewhere to give Ogier a chance.

No chance. Any penalty after last stage dont affect starting order.

Tarmop

16th February 2018, 16:26

i would like to see Neuville champion,just to see Ogier moving at next level the moaning.Priceless!

Nice rally so far!

Ah yes, then we could here the great words of wisdom from Neuville and his educating stories to others, who most definitely haven`t seen difficulties, just pure luck.

dupanton

16th February 2018, 16:28

Ogier his road order was bad, yes. And will be again. But he didn't complain when he opened the Friday stages in Monte Carlo pulling out all the mud for the drivers further back. You win some, you loose some. In Mexico he will not have to open.
Also, 2WD cars being faster then WRC cars because it wasn't ploughed. It happened on Monte Carlo on saturday morning too, with Nucita (or the other Abarth) taking a 5th time or something like that.

Awesome day for Neuville, hope he can keep it :)

spiderem

16th February 2018, 16:31

No chance. Any penalty after last stage dont affect starting order.

early check in tomorrow morning?

Tarmop

16th February 2018, 16:32

PLuto

16th February 2018, 16:32

early check in tomorrow morning?

Yes, that is possible.

KKS

16th February 2018, 16:35

Tänak vs JWRC SS4 Winner Torn: 10.37.1 for Tänak, 11.41.4 for Torn. Last split Tänak 8,59.2, Torn 10.08.6, which means that for those last unploughed kms it took Tänak 1.37.9 and 1.32.8 for Torn. That is FIVE seconds faster in a FWD R2T.
W=Wrong
Tanak last split = 09:29,4 - 00:30,8 = 08:58,6
Tanak stage time: 10:37,1
Tanak last sector = 10:37,1 - 08:58,6 = 01:38,5

Torn last split = 09:29,4 + 00:30,3 = 09:59,7
Torn stage time: 11:41,4
Torn last sector = 11:41,4 - 09:59,7 = 01:41,7

spiderem

16th February 2018, 16:37

W=Wrong
Tanak last split = 09:29,4 - 00:30,8 = 08:58,6
Tanak stage time: 10:37,1
Tanak last sector = 10:37,1 - 08:58,6 = 01:38,5

Torn last split = 09:29,4 + 00:30,3 = 09:59,7
Torn stage time: 11:41,4
Torn last sector = 11:41,4 - 09:59,7 = 01:41,7

some doctorat in mathematics in this forum, people have way too much time on their hands...

Sulland

16th February 2018, 16:37

Hello new studio presenter. :D

Who?

Tarmop

16th February 2018, 16:43

W=Wrong
Tanak last split = 09:29,4 - 00:30,8 = 08:58,6
Tanak stage time: 10:37,1
Tanak last sector = 10:37,1 - 08:58,6 = 01:38,5

Torn last split = 09:29,4 + 00:30,3 = 09:59,7
Torn stage time: 11:41,4
Torn last sector = 11:41,4 - 09:59,7 = 01:41,7

Where did you get Torn`s last split? It was 1.03.1+9.05.1= 10.08.6 according to wrc.com
So unless you can`t present any factual times , it`s still 5 seconds in favour of FWD R2...

AL14

16th February 2018, 16:51

https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/rallye/wrc/detail_ogier-si-les-ouvreurs-etaient-des-suedois-ou-norvegiens-ils-deneigeraient-differemment?id=9841966

Ogier: "If there were norwegians or swedish people opening the road they could have made a different work with the snow"

French speaking guys can confirm if that is a right translation?

dupanton

16th February 2018, 16:56

mknight

16th February 2018, 16:58

Day 1 impressions:

In general as expected, with so much snow on the road and overnight snowfall the first runners were bound to loose a lot.

Positive:
- Paddon finaly back to some speed
- Breen

Negative:
- Meeke (sure road position wasn't best but still he was 2nd slowest after Ogier and Evans with puncture))
- Evans (again the words of Colin Clark about Evans fighting for title this year in any car come to mind)

Mintexmemory

16th February 2018, 16:58

If the cheating nordics had one of their guys first on the road you can bet your ass they’dve ploughed the damn snow

Translation of what Ogier was saying (without the diplomacy filter!)

mknight

16th February 2018, 16:59

Tarmop

16th February 2018, 17:01

Well, he is and was...

er88

16th February 2018, 17:01

As I said before, don't get your hopes up for a fight for the win. Breen and Ostberg will drop back without road advantage to Neuville, and considering Neuville finished day 1 ahead of both of his team mates who had better road position, this is his rally if he keeps it on the road. Would love to be proven wrong though

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EstWRC

16th February 2018, 17:18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLVyRAt2cxbxuiluNGz4xAViyqsnqc8-pG&v=iCfFHsTP1HA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjAfq59Jdzk

KKS

16th February 2018, 17:20

Where did you get Torn`s last split? It was 1.03.1+9.05.1= 10.08.6 according to wrc.com
So unless you can`t present any factual times , it`s still 5 seconds in favour of FWD R2...
from wrc.com

http://i.piccy.info/i9/7e0c1ac83bd0e57786354625b8ebae82/1518802706/42376/1149228/Torn_SS4_Sweden_2018.jpg

Tarmop

16th February 2018, 17:23

from wrc.com

http://i.piccy.info/i9/7e0c1ac83bd0e57786354625b8ebae82/1518802706/42376/1149228/Torn_SS4_Sweden_2018.jpg

We are talking about SS4, you are looking at its re-run, SS7.

René

16th February 2018, 17:28

Sportsmanship imposes to remain cool? What are you a girl? If the situation is shitty the sportsman has every right to be frustrated. That is what he works his butt of every day. Emotions are a part of the sports, just like being unlucky with the road position.

Frustration is not an emotion but an attitude. An inability to accept things as they are and to hold others accountable for their own satisfaction. And for your simple satisfaction you do not have to ruin the existence of all those around you. When you enter the World Rally Championship you know the rules and accept them. Otherwise you do something else. There's only one who makes a mess.

Tarmop

16th February 2018, 17:34

FFS, that attitude is rallying on paper! Rules would mean a slight disadvantage, not 3 drivers, all capable of winning the event, were on the podium last year, two of whom have won it several times and one even started it with two stage wins and then BAM, they are 8,9 and 11, loose to a FWD car driven by a person first time in this event, because some part was left unploughed and with small chances of even getting into the top 5. And the biggest issue is...they dare to say, it sucks, they can`t be humans with emotions, they have to lie it`s dandy, just to keep some happy ( and others thinking wth has happened to fast drivers).

Myrvold

16th February 2018, 17:36

If the cheating nordics had one of their guys first on the road you can bet your ass they’dve ploughed the damn snow

Translation of what Ogier was saying (without the diplomacy filter!)

What him, and others here fail with that reasoning is that it happened on the Swedish side, not the Norwegian. And it is the Norwegians that would gain from it.

Also, none of us knows the rules and laws regarding the snowplough in Norway v Sweden. In no other situation you'll see the same person on both sides of the border.

From a spectator PoV this have been one amazing day with proper snow conditions. Ogier complained the last years as well (even though he had advantage then). He'll never be happy here.

Does anyone have pics of the latter part of SS4? From the sounds of it, the amount of snow is much more than what came down during the night!

Sidenote: We met the plough on SS Svullrya around 0430 local time today :-)

er88

16th February 2018, 17:36

FFS, that attitude is rallying on paper! Rules would mean a slight disadvantage, not 3 drivers, all capable of winning the event, were on the podium last year, two of whom have won it several times and one even started it with two stage wins and then BAM, they are 8,9 and 11, with small chances of even getting into the top 5. And the biggest issue is...they dare to say, it sucks, they can`t be humans with emotions, they have to lie, just to keep some happy.Biggest time losses were this afternoon regardless. That's rallying.

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Tarmop

16th February 2018, 17:42

Biggest time losses where this afternoon regardless. That's rallying.

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Umm, well, yes, i was not talking about that specifically but the frustration started before like i mentioned. Probably quite hard to mentally adjust to pushing hard and chasing hundreths. Although those second runs have also been more friedlier, last year podium for example, with small changes, identical to RMC.

Allez Andruet

16th February 2018, 17:50

So happy for Breen and Paddon - if anyone, it's those guys who deserve some success for once. And yes, WRC+ All Live has been wonderful today.

Fast Eddie WRC

16th February 2018, 18:01

So a horrendous day for M-Sport's top two...

But a pretty decent job by Suninen on just his 3rd WRC1 drive.

And good to see a Fiesta R5 leading WRC2.

There's always positives if you look hard enough ! ;)

svstock

16th February 2018, 18:03

had to be done
http://i67.tinypic.com/24deftk.jpg

Fast Eddie WRC

16th February 2018, 18:13

Ogier: "It's been a difficult day, I couldn’t do anything. I tried but I can't be faster. When you lose more than 1.5s/km in the 2nd loop, there must be something wrong somewhere because I don’t think that's my normal rhythm. I'm far, far away, there's no real target."

T16

16th February 2018, 18:28

danon

16th February 2018, 18:31

The snowplough case must be reported to AnttiK7.

Myrvold

16th February 2018, 18:33

Though. Ogier complains about everything.
First on the road
People ahead of him driving wrong lines

I am sure if Ogier hadn't been first on the road the last 4 years he'd complain of that as well as it was an actual advantage to be first on the last 4 years here in Sweden.

cali

16th February 2018, 18:36

C'mon guys (specially estonians) this situation was basically well known few days already. Take it easy now and enjoy rallying, nothing you can do about the road conditions. Childish conspiracy theories will make you look silly as it is already. That's rallying and we have a interesting season ahead of us, maybe the most intrigueing for many decades. Enjoy while you can!

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T16

16th February 2018, 18:43

Well, my splits have gone out the window!
Who's gonna win it then?
Wouldn't mind seeing Breen or Paddon take it. Good shot in the arm for either of them if they could manage it.

PLuto

16th February 2018, 18:51

Starting order to Saturday - https://rally-base.com/2018/rally-sweden-2018/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=864

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWLebxwWAAIcmLr.jpg

BleAivano

16th February 2018, 19:02

EstWRC

16th February 2018, 19:16

had to be done
http://i67.tinypic.com/24deftk.jpg

Ogier tweeted it :D

https://twitter.com/sebogier/status/964580651864346624

stefanvv

16th February 2018, 19:26

had to be done
http://i67.tinypic.com/24deftk.jpg

They did good job especially with the new wrcar front aero elements' help.

Zeakiwi

16th February 2018, 19:57

Canadian snow plough - steerable axle on rear trailer - do not pass if ever driving in Canada. Had motorists crashing into them.
https://youtu.be/vh6vhzVT3Zc

Bartek

16th February 2018, 20:05

Starting order to Saturday - https://rally-base.com/2018/rally-sweden-2018/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=864

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWLebxwWAAIcmLr.jpg

To be honest Malcom should tell Elfyn to drive in front of Ogier...

Japé

16th February 2018, 20:20

KKS

16th February 2018, 20:21

We are talking about SS4, you are looking at its re-run, SS7.
It's some timing glitch here O_o

http://i.piccy.info/i9/d917849a17565e31164ea3905e21bdfb/1518813319/389451/1149228/SS4_Sweden_2018_splits.jpg

with new times - you are right, 5 sec faster from Tanak
And even if my first calculation was based on SS7 times - 3sec slower is nothing for that narrow and technical section

Myrvold

16th February 2018, 20:21

jparker

16th February 2018, 20:31

Ogier and his fans seam so alike, bunch of sad sad loosers.
It's more enjoyable than Neuville wining the rally :wave:
Guys, do I have to remind you what Mikkelsen did after his retirement in Spain and Monte Carlo?
Smile, that's all you need.

olemann

16th February 2018, 20:40

It appears that if the results from today can last for Sunday, the results after two rounds can give one more accurate result in wrc.

spiderem

16th February 2018, 20:45

Dani Sordo looks like he is freezing on red bull tv, and matt wislon has been too close to the sun!

Gregor-y

16th February 2018, 20:53

Ucci

16th February 2018, 20:54

To be honest Malcom should tell Elfyn to drive in front of Ogier...
This is going to be another dissapointing day for Ogier....rally to forget for him....thx god I'll be four hours in the plane, without connection....
Hyundai boys-enjoy the victory champiagn.

olemann

16th February 2018, 21:07

I realize what problem Ogier is struggling with. It's not the same as starting as No. 1 in Germany!

Sulland

16th February 2018, 21:19

Hennings "testday" ended with that he closed in on the stage winners.
If the overnight adjustments goes in the right direction he could habe gotten even closer.

But since he now is opening the road tomorrow, the target has to be to loose less tha Ogier did today.

AnttiL

16th February 2018, 21:35

Meekes pacenotes: "Latvala corner"

Suninen had also "Juho corner" in Päijälä in Rally Finland

Fast Eddie WRC

16th February 2018, 22:02

mknight

16th February 2018, 22:06

I don't wonder why he complains. I do wonder why he blames "Scandinavian conspiracy" for snow on roads...

Neuville lost 1:53 (4 secs/km) while running second on the road on SS9 in Monte due to fresh overnight snow on the road, which wasn't plowed.

Note that Neuville was 10s behind Meeke in the end. Does that make it French Ogier + Citroen conspiracy?

danon

16th February 2018, 22:07

https://media.giphy.com/media/wKmRINuXc99RBbc5HC/giphy.gif

KKS

16th February 2018, 22:26

I don't wonder why he complains. I do wonder why he blames "Scandinavian conspiracy" for snow on roads...

Yep, it's quite unusual expect snow in Sweden, especially on snow winter rally.

But why we wounder? It's typical Ogier.

Fast Eddie WRC

16th February 2018, 22:56

Just watched the 'official' highlights on BT and no stage end interviews shown with Ogier or Tanak Seems all about the great battle between the Hyundais.

At least Motorsport TV showed Tanak's honest 'screw themselves' outburst.

KKS

16th February 2018, 23:27

And they show "Nothing, all good" situation (this was an answer for a Colin stage-end "More troubles here in a final stage, tell us what happen?" quation) for Ogier, when he nearly hit a pole when went off into snowbank.
So it become a normal situation for that slow and old guy :)

PS Nice new soundtrack at the end: Awolnation - Passion

dimviii

16th February 2018, 23:48

ziggysony video
https://youtu.be/Evdim7-uiuA

KKS

16th February 2018, 23:57

with Evans puncture at 2:22.
Most of cars through safely here

KKS

17th February 2018, 00:14

Kristoffersson was out of sight but he win SS7 and only 0.7sec of stage win at SS8 in WRC 2. Not bad as for rally newbie

René

17th February 2018, 00:38

Yellow and orange glasses seems to become more popular year after year. Is there any proven advantage from those? Besides those, EP seems to have orange helmet visor (attached but not using). What next - yellow contact lenses or orange windshields?

The wavelength of the yellow color helps the vision by correcting the myopia caused on the human vision by the decrease of luminosity and increases the perception of the reliefs on the snow or when the weather is foggy.

Duvel

17th February 2018, 06:18

The wavelength of the yellow color helps the vision by correcting the myopia caused on the human vision by the decrease of luminosity and increases the perception of the reliefs on the snow or when the weather is foggy.

Thierry just repaired his yellow glasses.

cosmin_sb

17th February 2018, 06:25

ready for action...let's see what will happen today

kamei

17th February 2018, 06:31

Ogier stage performances:

SS1: 9th (+2.5)
SS2: 10th (+12.5)
SS3: 12th (+18.2)
SS4: 11th (+22.0)
SS5: 12th (+28.0)
SS6: 11th (+35.5)
SS7: 22nd (+50.9)
SS8: 20th (+23.4)

And people wonder he complains ...I was wondering if someone else would perform better opening the roads. Ogier kept his nerves. There is something wrong with the regulations. If the first car on Friday is losing so much time then his rally is ruined because his starting position on Saturday is also terrible.

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mknight

17th February 2018, 06:46

Henning on live tv after flying finish:
(free translation)

"That's all I can do. The car(s) are too difficult to drive with the stupid centre difs."

KKS

17th February 2018, 06:46

ouuu Henning was driving with engine problem yesterday!

KKS

17th February 2018, 06:47

Latvala a minute down on 1st split!!!!! DAMN!

cosmin_sb

17th February 2018, 06:51

problem for Ogier? No finish time

sonnybobiche

17th February 2018, 06:52

Latvala split corrected, thank the lord.

KKS

17th February 2018, 06:53

no , he finished
10:20.6

KKS

17th February 2018, 06:54

Latvala split corrected, thank the lord.
first 3 now..... fingers crossed for 4th and finish time

Augury

17th February 2018, 06:57

Tanak on a charge this morning.

KKS

17th February 2018, 07:00

Suninen +21sec ... You have problems? - Maybe the driver problems :D

mknight

17th February 2018, 07:01

LOL Østberg and co-driver in-car conversation:

"It's difficult to push hard now"
"Why?"
"Cause I can't drive a car" :D

kamei

17th February 2018, 07:01

Suninen's end of the stage comments are hilarious :)

kamei

17th February 2018, 07:03

Poor Ostberg can't beat Breen!
Really good performance by Breen so far...

KKS

17th February 2018, 07:05

Great time form Breen!!! And looking down to splits nobody can improve so far!
Go Breen!!!

jonkka

17th February 2018, 07:05

Mikkelsen poised to take the lead...

kamei

17th February 2018, 07:06

I think that Tanak will be the fastest man today

EstWRC

17th February 2018, 07:07

Tänak is a morning person it seems

KKS

17th February 2018, 07:09

And Breen was closer to frontrunners!
GOOOO BREEEEENNN! :)

dimviii

17th February 2018, 07:10

did they mentioned paddle shift problem for Neuville?

mknight

17th February 2018, 07:11

did they mentioned paddle shift problem for Neuville?

Yes you could see it on the onboard.

HaCo

17th February 2018, 07:12

did they mentioned paddle shift problem for Neuville?

Crap, crap, crap, hope he keeps his head together.

KKS

17th February 2018, 07:13

Tänak is a morning person it seems
Or just pure speed, respectively to more equal road conditions

HaCo

17th February 2018, 07:14

Great time by Breen, nice to see!

KKS

17th February 2018, 07:15

Katsuta have some troubles at 1st split and drop 2 places overall at the end of stage. Tidemand now rally leader!

cali

17th February 2018, 07:15

Breen a very positive surprise so far. Who said that the C3 is slow: :p

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JJFrentzen

17th February 2018, 07:18

did they mentioned paddle shift problem for Neuville?

Yes and still he was fastest then his teammates

ESTR

17th February 2018, 07:20

Breen a very positive surprise so far. Who said that the C3 is slow: :p

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It's quick but look at car dancing all around place. After all, it's been Breen who can only drive that car obviously.

EstWRC

17th February 2018, 07:21

Østberg is doing also great with it. Don’t forget that it’s his first time with the machine

GravelBen

17th February 2018, 07:25

There is something wrong with the regulations. If the first car on Friday is losing so much time then his rally is ruined because his starting position on Saturday is also terrible.

Sometimes the road position is an advantage not a disadvantage though - was Ogier complaining about unfair road order at Monte when he was gaining advantage with good road position for the conditions each day and others like Breen were losing so much time? Was he complaining previous years when Sweden didn't have much snow and cars down the order were losing their studs in the gravel? Sometimes the advantage/disadvantage is predictable, sometimes not. Rallying is affected by nature and weather, its just the way it is.

HaCo

17th February 2018, 07:27

Rallying is affected by nature and weather, its just the way it is.

It's also what makes it great!

AnttiL

17th February 2018, 07:32

Apart from Breen, the results on Torntorp were Toyotas, Hyundais, Citroens, Fords.

er88

17th February 2018, 07:32

Breen a very positive surprise so far. Who said that the C3 is slow: :p

Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using TapatalkIt's not a slow car. It's just got a narrow operating window and can take a lot of risk and aggressive driving to get the best out of it. A slow car doesn't win rallies, and Meeke has already won rallies in it don't forget...

Great to see Breen on it this morning. I'd expect a Hyundai fight back on the next few stages judging by Mikkelsen's and Paddon's comments, and if Neuville can maybe fix his hydraulic issue

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KKS

17th February 2018, 07:38

Looks like Torn blocked road and all other cars forced to stop

Mintexmemory

17th February 2018, 07:42

Go Craig - what a year this could be for the Championship

T16

17th February 2018, 07:51

Apart from Breen, the results on Torntorp were Toyotas, Hyundais, Citroens, Fords.

They just mentioned this / you on WRC Live... good work that man!

er88

17th February 2018, 07:52

Apart from Breen, the results on Torntorp were Toyotas, Hyundais, Citroens, Fords.Just got read out by Alex on AllLive :)

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AnttiL

17th February 2018, 07:52

Just got read out by Alex on AllLive :)

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Yeah, and then Julian said that it was Gary Boyd who came up with that (he just retweeted me) :D

KKS

17th February 2018, 07:53

I'm always a bit confused what to listen: rally radio with useful info or sound from livestream with rallycar sound and less useful info... and we have Jon here so my choice is clear - RallyRadio!

KKS

17th February 2018, 07:54

Yeah, and then the other guy said that it was Gary Boyd who came up with that (he just retweeted me) :D
Make WRCLive great again :D

dimviii

17th February 2018, 07:56

https://www.ewrc-results.com/video/24907-rally-sweden-2018-friday/

AnttiL

17th February 2018, 08:03

Sorry EstWRC and other Estonians:

Ken Torn stopped at SS9 Torntorp after rolling FiestaR2. Crew OK

KKS

17th February 2018, 08:09

Looks another starting time adjust and now for Lappi. And he "down" 1min on splits

dimviii

17th February 2018, 08:10

Lappi on problems,or time glitch? +48 at 1st split

KKS

17th February 2018, 08:15

Lappi no, but Sunninen - yes

mknight

17th February 2018, 08:23

Something happened to both Hyundais, Breen will lead the rally.

JJFrentzen

17th February 2018, 08:24

I think Breen got a lead after this one :D

jonkka

17th February 2018, 08:24

If splits are anything to go by, then yes. But they've been very unreliable of late...

EstWRC

17th February 2018, 08:29

Sorry EstWRC and other Estonians:

yeah, shame, he was doing really great.

what a difference a day makes as we see ;)

KKS

17th February 2018, 08:30

Breen into P2 now :)

HaCo

17th February 2018, 08:30

What's wrong with the Hyundai's?

cali

17th February 2018, 08:30

Breen for the win!

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HaCo

17th February 2018, 08:30

Neuville had a spin... Mikk also?

jonkka

17th February 2018, 08:31

What's wrong with the Hyundai's?

Mikkelsen spun.

er88

17th February 2018, 08:31

Neuville decent time with a spin. This is great from Breen.

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HaCo

17th February 2018, 08:31

Come on Tom and Jerry, keep it together! :D

EstWRC

17th February 2018, 08:32

What's wrong with the Hyundai's?

a spin for Neuville...after that he came with the same speed as Tänak as you can see on the splits.

JJFrentzen

17th February 2018, 08:32

What's wrong with the Hyundai's?

both had a spin

EstWRC

17th February 2018, 08:34

Cmooonnnn Breen take that win! Then we have all drivers with a win :)

KKS

17th February 2018, 08:34

Katsuta now back into a lead and Pontus drop down to P3... ding-dong battle at WRC2 now

Eli

17th February 2018, 08:35

I see what you mean guys, Alex does look a bit bored.

er88

17th February 2018, 08:35

Mikkelsen blown another chance to get his first win for Hyundai there it seems. Shame for him, although I don't think he had the pace all weekend to overhaul Neuville on speed alone anyway

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jonkka

17th February 2018, 08:35

Cmooonnnn Breen take that win! Then we have all drivers with a win :)

Except Suninen - though he's not full-timer...

Franky

17th February 2018, 08:36

I see what you mean guys, Alex does look a bit bored.

And lost

EstWRC

17th February 2018, 08:36

Agreed, Kiri was much much better

Rally Hokkaido

17th February 2018, 08:37

Arai is really flying on this stage!

tomhlord

17th February 2018, 08:39

Now we see the true pace of the Toyota's.

I expect Neuville to gain a bit of a lead now, without the spin he was on the pace of Tanak.

Would be nice for some relays of moments during the live coverage, but can't complain too much as this is better than nothing!

KKS

17th February 2018, 08:40

Arai and Katsuta now fastest on stage at WRC2 :) Japanese attack on Sweden ice

Mintexmemory

17th February 2018, 08:43

Now we see the true pace of the Toyota's.

I expect Neuville to gain a bit of a lead now, without the spin he was on the pace of Tanak.

I don’t - both TN and Andreas are great when they are unsure of the rally order but both have form for not handling the pressure of fighting for first. Also there can be no team orders with Breen in the mix

KKS

17th February 2018, 08:45

Some poor rally from Ahlin now, he swed and I expect a bit more from him at homesoil. He do great last year at BRC and now +2.30 min away from lead

mknight

17th February 2018, 08:45

Now we see the true pace of the Toyota's.

Yes.
Forgive me if I am not cheering but I am not all that impressed with this whole "unlimited testing" (for Sweden and Finland in case of Toyota). Pretty sure this wasn't what the rulemakers had in mind with that exception. Whole point of limited testing is that you shouldn't win by just outspending others on testing and the exception was that teams can check simple functional things just outside the team base.

Unsurprisingly (all) teams will use any loophole available. So M-Sport has own gravel and tarmac testtracks, Toyota uses parts of actual stages and I have no doubts Citroen and Hyundais do similar stuff.

Eli

17th February 2018, 08:46

Arai is really flying on this stage!

His Co-driver, Glenn McMacneall, was Chris Atkinson's long time ago right?

EstWRC

17th February 2018, 08:47

hard life for you then...

jonkka

17th February 2018, 08:53

His Co-driver, Glenn McMacneall, was Chris Atkinson's long time ago right?

Yes - but also co-drove a lot with Toshi Arai, his father.

Rally Hokkaido

17th February 2018, 08:54

His Co-driver, Glenn McMacneall, was Chris Atkinson's long time ago right?

Yes, and before that was co-driver for Arai's father in SWRT.

Another trivia point, tonight in Australia Glenn's father just received highest honour from the ASN for his services to rallying. Senior forum members might remember him when WRC Australia was in Perth.

dimviii

17th February 2018, 08:58

not a happy birthday for Malcolm(62) today,Fiestas current at 8,11,12th position

EstWRC

17th February 2018, 09:00

Good first split from Ogier

E: the whole stage is very good from him!

dimviii

17th February 2018, 09:08

Tanak now 8 sec from Latvala.

KKS

17th February 2018, 09:09

Jari, hotlapping can hurt you :)

jonkka

17th February 2018, 09:10

Final stage time on splits is some garbage, wonder where they pull that from...

KKS

17th February 2018, 09:10

Sunninen - crazy jump

stefanvv

17th February 2018, 09:11

Suninen doesn't like those jump marks.

EstWRC

17th February 2018, 09:11

lol what a jump from Suninen

KKS

17th February 2018, 09:11

Final stage time on splits is some garbage, wonder where they pull that from...
ctrl+f5 I have some glitches yesterday aswell, but now final time OK

KKS

17th February 2018, 09:13

Good jump and good splits from Mads!!! C'moon

jonkka

17th February 2018, 09:14

ctrl+f5 I have some glitches yesterday aswell, but now final time OK

Won't help - splits themselves seem to be OK but the total for example for Ogier is 17:12.4 though his total in stage times is 8:37.1. Strange.

stefanvv

17th February 2018, 09:15

All C3 seem to had good jump distance. Now I understand why Ostberg went there.

dimviii

17th February 2018, 09:18

Neuville with fastest 1st split

mknight

17th February 2018, 09:22

Would be epic if Breen stays 2 or gets first! He needs it even more than the team.

Integrale

17th February 2018, 09:23

Very interesting battles everywhere, loving this. Impressed by Breen and Lappi!

KKS

17th February 2018, 09:25

Won't help - splits themselves seem to be OK but the total for example for Ogier is 17:12.4 though his total in stage times is 8:37.1. Strange.
Looks it depends on some randomness
http://i.piccy.info/i9/f7a6d35e28a172ccaae5b0cc98b066de/1518860750/148032/1149228/ss11_sweden_2018.jpg

jonkka

17th February 2018, 09:32

Looks it depends on some randomness

Indeed! I have completely different times on Stage Time column.

Eli

17th February 2018, 09:35

So guys what do you think did they improve the C3 or is it just down to the confidence of the drivers or both?

er88

17th February 2018, 09:35

All C3 seem to had good jump distance. Now I understand why Ostberg went there.Probably because their aero isn't as good as the other teams ;)

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KKS

17th February 2018, 09:36

Suninen need some extra feature for his Fiesta for Vargasen re-run

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Rudder.kc135.arp.750pix.jpg[

Ounin

17th February 2018, 09:42

can anybody explain to me why the two Jap’s Arai and Katsura are so fast???? They are quicker than many specialists ...
unbelievable

Sulland

17th February 2018, 09:45

LOL Østberg and co-driver in-car conversation:

"It's difficult to push hard now"
"Why?"
"Cause I can't drive a car" :D

Looks like overnight adjustment did not do Østberg any good.

Sulland

17th February 2018, 09:50

can anybody explain to me why the two Jap’s Arai and Katsura are so fast???? They are quicker than many specialists ...
unbelievable

Pirelli !!

er88

17th February 2018, 10:05

Neuville 'I feel like I can control'. Very confident

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irish_tiger

17th February 2018, 10:10

Some poor rally from Ahlin now, he swed and I expect a bit more from him at homesoil. He do great last year at BRC and now +2.30 min away from lead

what tyres is he on ??

AL14

17th February 2018, 10:12

Latvala is at it again. Can't give some peace to himself if a teammate is faster and driving at the edge.... Just let it go e take a bunch of points...

AL14

17th February 2018, 10:13

Neuville 'I feel like I can control'. Very confident

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Yes, he was sure to be wdc last year as well. Although I think he will bring this one home

Integrale

17th February 2018, 10:13

Neuville 'I feel like I can control'. Very confident

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I bet he felt the same way last year.

Fast Eddie WRC

17th February 2018, 10:18

Great job by Breen and even Ostberg in the C3. Will be great for me if they can keep the challenge going and take some points off the Hyundai's.

Looks like the Toyota's are too far back now to do anything.

steve.mandzij

17th February 2018, 10:19

Yes.
Forgive me if I am not cheering but I am not all that impressed with this whole "unlimited testing" (for Sweden and Finland in case of Toyota). Pretty sure this wasn't what the rulemakers had in mind with that exception. Whole point of limited testing is that you shouldn't win by just outspending others on testing and the exception was that teams can check simple functional things just outside the team base.

Unsurprisingly (all) teams will use any loophole available. So M-Sport has own gravel and tarmac testtracks, Toyota uses parts of actual stages and I have no doubts Citroen and Hyundais do similar stuff.Don't be so sad over nothing.

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steve.mandzij

17th February 2018, 10:21

Latvala is at it again. Can't give some peace to himself if a teammate is faster and driving at the edge.... Just let it go e take a bunch of points...My biggest fear becoming true! He hasn't cracked yet but the strees marks of struggle are beginning to show. God forbid he loses his momentum because of Tanak (even if it's by no fault of Tanak himself).

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KKS

17th February 2018, 10:25

what tyres is he on ??
DMack's... You think all that time difference comes from tyres?

Zeakiwi

17th February 2018, 10:26

Yes, and before that was co-driver for Arai's father in SWRT.

Another trivia point, tonight in Australia Glenn's father just received highest honour from the ASN for his services to rallying. Senior forum members might remember him when WRC Australia was in Perth.

Chandler got a life time achievement Sports award in the 2018 NZ main (Halberg) sports awards. https://nzmotorracing.co.nz/2018/02/09/chandlers-contribution-nz-motorsport-recognised-halberg-awards/

cali

17th February 2018, 10:31

can anybody explain to me why the two Jap’s Arai and Katsura are so fast???? They are quicker than many specialists ...
unbelievableI have MM Motorsport on my Instagram feed. Looks like these boys have had a lot of practice as well. Lots Of people working to get them on pace... Lehtinen just said that Katsuta is a big talent but coming from circuit racing he is a bit speedblind and is not yet very good at speed notes

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KKS

17th February 2018, 10:32

Interesting how historics will affect on road today afternoon, no much fresh snow today on stages.

Sulland

17th February 2018, 10:45

what tyres is he on ??

Is it possible to swap tyrebrand during a rally?
Sometimes tyrebrand could win or loose you a rally.

focus206

17th February 2018, 11:03

Really impressed by Breen so far, great rally. If Neuville falls behind and is smart, he won't overpush - better get a 2nd place than repeat what happened in Sweden last year.

dodge33cymru

17th February 2018, 11:08

Is it possible to swap tyrebrand during a rally?
Sometimes tyrebrand could win or loose you a rally.I think it is, I have a vague recollection of someone (a privateer) doing it a few years ago. Not 100% sure it was WRC and, even if it was, rules might have changed since.

Or I might be getting completely mixed up with the Nurburgring 24 Hours, who knows?!

KKS

17th February 2018, 11:11

Huttunen lost near 5min on SS11 and out of rally win contention.
And again little bit shine rally for him, but always he find something to ruin that :/

kamei

17th February 2018, 11:18

Sometimes the road position is an advantage not a disadvantage though - was Ogier complaining about unfair road order at Monte when he was gaining advantage with good road position for the conditions each day and others like Breen were losing so much time? Was he complaining previous years when Sweden didn't have much snow and cars down the order were losing their studs in the gravel? Sometimes the advantage/disadvantage is predictable, sometimes not. Rallying is affected by nature and weather, its just the way it is.

I only thought theoretically how the system is working. I never saw a champion so desperate of the lack of chance to fight for something. Of course starting first on the road is not always a bad thing, sure it can also give an advantage. Ogier did pretty good last year. I don't like him as a person but I can't doubt his driving abilities. I am happy to see such great battles of the other guys as it is now.

HaCo

17th February 2018, 11:26

It's a go for the second loop...

EstWRC

17th February 2018, 11:31

Evans faster than Ogier in the split, you dont see that often

KKS

17th February 2018, 11:34

Evans faster than Ogier in the split, you dont see that often
still some road cleaning from historics

HaCo

17th February 2018, 11:34

Evans faster than Ogier in the split, you dont see that often

Do your splits work, or following live stream?

EstWRC

17th February 2018, 11:34

still some road cleaning from historics

yep, same case as yesterday, i expect the frontrunners to be much faster this time

HaCo

17th February 2018, 11:35

Do your splits work, or following live stream?

Now they work on the site :-)

steve.mandzij

17th February 2018, 11:40

Jari Matti just isn't finding speed! Lappi and Tanak flying!

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mknight

17th February 2018, 11:41

Not a single retirement or big time loss by anyone yet (only Evans puncture).

Just saying...

HaCo

17th February 2018, 11:42

Not a single retirement or big time loss by anyone yet (only Evans puncture).

Just saying...

Please don't... :-)

EstWRC

17th February 2018, 11:43

Lappi coming great!

Fast Eddie WRC

17th February 2018, 11:44

Gary Boyd
@KiwiWRCfan

Colins Crest jumps:

@JariMattiWRC 22.0m
@thierryneuville 28.0m
@HaydenPaddon 29.0m
@ElfynEvans 30.0m
@EsapekkaLappi 31.0m
@TeemuSuninenRac 31.0m
@AMikkelsenRally 31.0m
@HenningSolberg 31.5m
@SebOgier 32.0m
@OttTanak 32.5m
@Craig_Breen 38.0m
@krismeeke 40.0m
@MadsOstberg 42.0m

KKS

17th February 2018, 11:46

Latvala have big surprise by Tanak time!

EstWRC

17th February 2018, 11:46

i like Jari-Matti a lot but that face was priceless

jonkka

17th February 2018, 11:46

Not a single retirement or big time loss by anyone yet (only Evans puncture).

Swedish Rally is like that, it's not unheard of that no works cars retire there.

HaCo

17th February 2018, 11:47

Lappi faster then Ott and Latvala... Latvala not good at all.

Fast Eddie WRC

17th February 2018, 11:47

Latvala looking like a loser again... :(

KKS

17th February 2018, 11:49

Mads going very wide and wild. Love it!

AL14

17th February 2018, 11:50

Latvala looking like a loser again... :(

Not the best move to show weakness to the enemy, isn't it? 10 years in the WRC and didn't learn to handle these situations...

dimviii

17th February 2018, 11:51

Βreen on it

HaCo

17th February 2018, 11:52

Breen :D :D :D

EstWRC

17th February 2018, 11:52

what a time by Breen!

HaCo

17th February 2018, 11:53

Great to see him happy with the car!

steve.mandzij

17th February 2018, 11:55

i like Jari-Matti a lot but that face was pricelessWas it his red, sweaty, wide eyed worry face?

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EstWRC

17th February 2018, 11:55

damn why that Citroen doesnt work like this every rally!

HaCo

17th February 2018, 11:57

Paddon faster then Mik!

er88

17th February 2018, 11:57

Andreas hasn't been able to 'turn it up a notch' today it seems. Paddon now having a go at him.

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KKS

17th February 2018, 11:58

Neuville make 10sec!!!!! only at 3split to Breen! WOW!

HaCo

17th February 2018, 11:58

Breen sooo impressive!!!

HaCo

17th February 2018, 11:59

Neuville confident :D Great!

doubled1978

17th February 2018, 12:00

Have to say Breen has been very impressive so far....Citroen find another car for Mexico and Corsica?

mknight

17th February 2018, 12:01

Well it's nice seeing Breen and Paddon do well, out of all works drivers those two need a good result the most.

KKS

17th February 2018, 12:01

Neuville make 10sec!!!!! only at 3split to Breen! WOW!
oh no, again splits mess me up difference from 4th splits popup at 3rd split column

er88

17th February 2018, 12:02

Have to say Breen has been very impressive so far....Citroen find another car for Mexico and Corsica?They should get him in the PH sport car at least. Bunch of jokers if not

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stefanvv

17th February 2018, 12:02

Neuville make 10sec!!!!! only at 3split to Breen! WOW!

What?

KKS

17th February 2018, 12:07

Abbring?

EightGear

17th February 2018, 12:07

Imagine Paddon and Breen taking a podium, and then both not competing in Mexico.

dimviii

17th February 2018, 12:08

Meeke at his mentor jump
https://twitter.com/F_Gustavsson/status/964805598851280896

Breen
https://twitter.com/F_Gustavsson/status/964813000862588928

Fast Eddie WRC

17th February 2018, 12:12

Outstanding by Breen.

Supported him since 2009... is he going to reach a WRC win ?!

KKS

17th February 2018, 12:12

Abbring?
Snowbank excursion

Rally Hokkaido

17th February 2018, 12:13

Abbring has damaged front of car

René

17th February 2018, 12:13

Citroen C3 really seems to perform better than in 2017 on the same rally. Even if there's still work to be done

Sulland

17th February 2018, 12:13

Do we know how much stud overhang they are using today?
do all now use ice tyres with 6mm overhang, or are some on snow with 8mm?

Eli

17th February 2018, 12:14

Outstanding by Breen.

Supported him since 2009... is he going to reach a WRC win ?!

Really really hope so!!

krzaki

17th February 2018, 12:17

Hi
May be I loose something....but I don't
know why not reverse starting order for saturday stages....thx for answer☺

KKS

17th February 2018, 12:19

Hi
May be I loose something....but I don't
know why not reverse starting order for saturday stages....thx for answer☺
It's reverse actually

KKS

17th February 2018, 12:28

First stage win for https://www.ewrc-results.com/flags2/ukraine.png Protasov Yuriy at WRC3 after 2 years of rallying brake
:bounce::wave:

tomhlord

17th February 2018, 12:29

This guy, I admire your passion for TN, but you vacated the spectator zone and then a marshall had to come and get you. Come on now, use your head.

http://i.cubeupload.com/U3x1Bf.jpg

kamei

17th February 2018, 12:36

Not the best move to show weakness to the enemy, isn't it? 10 years in the WRC and didn't learn to handle these situations...Unfortunately I don't see Latvala winning the championship ever.

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jonkka

17th February 2018, 12:40

Unfortunately I don't see Latvala winning the championship ever.

It's a long shot, I agree, but should he manage he'd be the most experienced one to do it (in terms of WRC starts).

er88

17th February 2018, 12:41

Citroen C3 really seems to perform better than in 2017 on the same rally. Even if there's still work to be doneYep, no Performnace improvements in Monte compared to last year, but there has been in Sweden. Let's hope they can continue to work on the car, and the main changes for 2018 come in Mexico on the C3

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Sulland

17th February 2018, 12:53

Big ruts on Hagfors 2! Henning will dance in his brothers narrow tracks!

stefanvv

17th February 2018, 12:53

It's a long shot, I agree, but should he manage he'd be the most experienced one to do it (in terms of WRC starts).

Any other driver in the current field with such possibility?